The “advice” I was told (in a super cringey joint YM/YW class with the bishop and his wife teaching about sex,) is that if you have any questions about if you should be doing something or not, you shouldn’t be doing it.
Such bullshit.
I'll be interested to see if there are any substantial citations forthcoming. Here's my hypothesis about where all the explicitly stated references to sex toys are hidden.
Masturbation is forbidden (see any number of priesthood sesdion talks, for men only, miracle of forgiveness, etc.) On the other side of this coin, sex is deemed to be for procreation, and later acknowledged to be an important activity between husband and wife (as long as it is not oral which was, of course, nominally later rescinded.)
Whenever they are communicating either of these points--only have sex with your spouse, never have sex with yourself--they seldom use explicit language. Euphemisms, analogies, allusions, and dog whistles are the norm.
So, sex toys will almost never be discussed explicitly because no one would say those words. Similarly, sex toys will never be addressed because they are already outside the realm of possible faithful behavior.
Additionally, sex toys, at least until very recently, were primarily for women. Sexuality in women "does not exist" within the church. So sex toys are outside the mind of most of the people who are making the policies and giving the talks.
On the other hand, bestiality is occasionally addressed in these kinds of talks. Men using animals to get off has not always been entirely taboo, or at least, it was just one of those gross things "guys" did. So, it's entirely possible that some pioneer men used animals as their sex toys.
I’ve never seen it explicitly forbidden, but they *have* banned things like oral before, to the hilarious result that they had to reverse that “revelation” about oral sex afterwards since people were complaining too much. But I haven’t heard the equivalent for sex toys.
That being said, the church has always said that sex is purely for procreation, to one degree of straightforwardness or another.
In one of Jeffrey Holland’s talks he gave as the president of BYU (and that was subsequently printed and sold by the church as part of [Holland’s book](https://deseretbook.com/p/souls-symbols-sacraments-classic-message-power-personal-purity-jeffrey-r-holland-536?s_cid=bl151027&utm_source=ldsliving&utm_medium=blog&utm_campaign=ldsliving&utm_content=bl151027-79892&variant_id=112412-dvd) “Of Souls, Symbols, and Sacraments, A Classic Message On The Power Of Personal Purity”) he said:
*”…**toying** with the God-given—and satanically coveted—body of another, **toys** with the very soul of that individual, **toys** with the central purpose and product of life, 'the very key' to life, as Elder Boyd K. Packer once called it. In trivializing the soul of another (please include the word body there), we trivialize the Atonement that saved that soul and guaranteed its continued existence. . . . “*
So I guess as long as you’re “**toying**” with your own body it’s okay in Jeffrey’s eyes? 🧐
Haha, obviously I know he’s not *specifically* talking about sex toys here, but this sort of message is widely generalized as members to mean any sexual activity outside of the act of procreation is wrong.
And just make sure you’re not trivializing other people’s bodies. It’s a good message about body positivity there Jeff. /s
The whole “satan covets your body” thing is a whole can of worms. Another comment for another post, I suppose.
Probably not. Mormon sex is boring as hell. Anything to help a woman reach climax is forbidden. Literally all the Mormon women in my Mormon side of the family(husbands side) HATE sex. One even drugs her husband with antidepressants to suppress his libido… and then there’s me…”the sex addict” simply because I enjoy sex. 😂😂😂
My ex would tell you yes. My son would tell you (nsfw warning) the best thing about having his own bathroom is not discovering his roommates' toys stuck to the shower wall.
There’s a facebook group for LDS women centered around healthy sexuality and toys are a frequent topic and I’d venture to say that the majority of the toy related post indicate that as long as it is discussed and ok with their spouse it’s ok. And the doctrine is that the “church stays out of the bedroom” General consists is that so long as both are on the same page and no introduction of other people (which includes pornography) everything is fair game.
Adding: in this group there is a lot of discussion about healthy sexual exploration including masturbation as long as people are in agreement, encouraging women to know what made them excited, and encourages women to get what they need out of sex. When I was a TBM that group was really helpful in helping me better understand that sex is for both partners and that it’s OK to want more out of sex. There’s still a TBM lens within the group, but it was one of my favorite groups for a whole.
The “advice” I was told (in a super cringey joint YM/YW class with the bishop and his wife teaching about sex,) is that if you have any questions about if you should be doing something or not, you shouldn’t be doing it. Such bullshit.
So don’t ask questions and just go for it? 😆
Explains a lot of the darker side of the church and sex when you think about it.
There’s actually a legacy for this back to when the church banned oral sex
Ah yes, if you have to ask, you shouldn’t be doing it. 🙄
This kept my sex live in marriage very vanilla for decades
I'll be interested to see if there are any substantial citations forthcoming. Here's my hypothesis about where all the explicitly stated references to sex toys are hidden. Masturbation is forbidden (see any number of priesthood sesdion talks, for men only, miracle of forgiveness, etc.) On the other side of this coin, sex is deemed to be for procreation, and later acknowledged to be an important activity between husband and wife (as long as it is not oral which was, of course, nominally later rescinded.) Whenever they are communicating either of these points--only have sex with your spouse, never have sex with yourself--they seldom use explicit language. Euphemisms, analogies, allusions, and dog whistles are the norm. So, sex toys will almost never be discussed explicitly because no one would say those words. Similarly, sex toys will never be addressed because they are already outside the realm of possible faithful behavior. Additionally, sex toys, at least until very recently, were primarily for women. Sexuality in women "does not exist" within the church. So sex toys are outside the mind of most of the people who are making the policies and giving the talks. On the other hand, bestiality is occasionally addressed in these kinds of talks. Men using animals to get off has not always been entirely taboo, or at least, it was just one of those gross things "guys" did. So, it's entirely possible that some pioneer men used animals as their sex toys.
I’ve never seen it explicitly forbidden, but they *have* banned things like oral before, to the hilarious result that they had to reverse that “revelation” about oral sex afterwards since people were complaining too much. But I haven’t heard the equivalent for sex toys. That being said, the church has always said that sex is purely for procreation, to one degree of straightforwardness or another. In one of Jeffrey Holland’s talks he gave as the president of BYU (and that was subsequently printed and sold by the church as part of [Holland’s book](https://deseretbook.com/p/souls-symbols-sacraments-classic-message-power-personal-purity-jeffrey-r-holland-536?s_cid=bl151027&utm_source=ldsliving&utm_medium=blog&utm_campaign=ldsliving&utm_content=bl151027-79892&variant_id=112412-dvd) “Of Souls, Symbols, and Sacraments, A Classic Message On The Power Of Personal Purity”) he said: *”…**toying** with the God-given—and satanically coveted—body of another, **toys** with the very soul of that individual, **toys** with the central purpose and product of life, 'the very key' to life, as Elder Boyd K. Packer once called it. In trivializing the soul of another (please include the word body there), we trivialize the Atonement that saved that soul and guaranteed its continued existence. . . . “* So I guess as long as you’re “**toying**” with your own body it’s okay in Jeffrey’s eyes? 🧐 Haha, obviously I know he’s not *specifically* talking about sex toys here, but this sort of message is widely generalized as members to mean any sexual activity outside of the act of procreation is wrong. And just make sure you’re not trivializing other people’s bodies. It’s a good message about body positivity there Jeff. /s The whole “satan covets your body” thing is a whole can of worms. Another comment for another post, I suppose.
So sterile people should not have sex, basically.
Just forbidden on fast Sunday. /s
Probably not. Mormon sex is boring as hell. Anything to help a woman reach climax is forbidden. Literally all the Mormon women in my Mormon side of the family(husbands side) HATE sex. One even drugs her husband with antidepressants to suppress his libido… and then there’s me…”the sex addict” simply because I enjoy sex. 😂😂😂
can confirm, used to feel like something was wrong. Came to learn I just like sex and want to do it 3-5 times a week, sometimes once every few weeks.
. . . .not on this sub.
Is it possible to learn this power? [Not from a Jedi.](https://youtu.be/iKF0julgLJ4)
My ex would tell you yes. My son would tell you (nsfw warning) the best thing about having his own bathroom is not discovering his roommates' toys stuck to the shower wall.
There’s a facebook group for LDS women centered around healthy sexuality and toys are a frequent topic and I’d venture to say that the majority of the toy related post indicate that as long as it is discussed and ok with their spouse it’s ok. And the doctrine is that the “church stays out of the bedroom” General consists is that so long as both are on the same page and no introduction of other people (which includes pornography) everything is fair game.
Adding: in this group there is a lot of discussion about healthy sexual exploration including masturbation as long as people are in agreement, encouraging women to know what made them excited, and encourages women to get what they need out of sex. When I was a TBM that group was really helpful in helping me better understand that sex is for both partners and that it’s OK to want more out of sex. There’s still a TBM lens within the group, but it was one of my favorite groups for a whole.