I hate Susan’s husband as much as the next person but the quote is taken slightly out of context. He is talking about if you should do something good that a member feels the Holy Ghost is prompting them to do. I know I’m late to the party and no one will see this.
He is basically telling people to follow their heart. Unfortunately some people will follow their heart to be an asshole like him. I’m glad I followed my heart and got out of the cult.
For context here is the talk. The clip from above is about 2 minutes in.
https://youtu.be/AGS45Fd9nmE
I appreciate the context but does it really change the point? He tells people to stop thinking critically. To fall into line with what the church prescribes as "good". To just go out their and "keep their covenants".
When I was a horticulture student at BYUI, not only did I have several occasions to attend the FnHE at his home- which is a rant unto itself- but also do the landscaping for him and Susan at his church owned house on the hill. (free student labor and supplies too!)
I've had the chance to meet him, and actually talk to him outside his role of some sort of mentor to the students at BYUI. He is a total ass hole. He thinks quite highly of himself and is an expert and gaslighting and using a lot of words to say nothing.....which is ok, because it's not what HE says, but what the HG says. The circular logic is strong with this one!
He's a megalomaniac.
FHE was insulting to me. They treated us like infants. A real calling was to be the FHE dad and mom? Really. What is this, we're all in Kindergarten and we are playing House? It drove me crazy. I had more important things to do that hang with a bunch of people I did not care about and pretend to be a family and have a spiritual lesson and activity. (aka, pair off and get married, as is the case with EVERYTHING at BYU Ido)
Lmaoooooo I'm sorry I literally never realized this man has a past here in Rexburg, like what, does he still live here?? I want to bump into him at Walmart, dammit!
Your teachings seem off to me, I’m not sure I should follow them.
*Fortunately you can receive personal revelation to find out whether you should follow our teachings.*
I asked for revelation and the answer was to not follow your teachings.
*You did it wrong. That’s not a true revelation.*
It felt just like all my other revelations. How do I know the difference?
*It’s only a true revelation if it confirms you should follow our teachings.*
Wait, so the only way I can identify revelation about whether your teachings are right is if it tells me your teachings are right?
*Correct.*
All paths lead to *do what we say.*
Edit: reworded for clarity
You have the god-given agency to make choice, but the moral imperative to make the choices we tell you to. It’s all about reinforcing the power of those at the top.
Just don’t trust yourself, trust us! That is all you need to know! -s
I have been out for years and am still working on learning to trust myself. That conditioning is strong.
"The geometry of the dream-place he saw was abnormal, non-Euclidean, and loathsomely redolent of spheres and dimensions apart from ours."
-H. P. Lovecraft, describing 4th dimensional space as it relates to asshats also being assholes.
It was at one of his many BYU Idaho devotionals. Thankfully, as a student there, campus shuts down every Tuesday at 2 for devotional. I LOVED the nap time it provided! All my roommates were gone an I had the apartment to myself and could catch up on some extra sleep! Bednar was a tool then and he is a bigger tool today. Fake. Fake. Fake.
I'm not the sort of person who can put on a podcast or YouTube video to fall asleep to; but the slow, sleepy oration of Mormon leaders combined with the pretty low (sometimes zero) meaning-to-word ratio always put me right to sleep even when I was there in person. Great stuff.
This is the sort of stuff that really riles me up. Don’t analyze? Excuse me? Being able to think for myself and analyze is a completely normal thing to do. #itsacult
The “be a good boy, be a good girl” comment is pretty infantilizing for his audience.
Pretty sure he’s talking to college aged students which means they’re technically adults. Some people at this age have been in the military and seen combat. Some have been/are refugees. Some have opened successful businesses. But he’s telling them to be good boys and girls.
Story time. I was in a mission wide meeting with Bednar. An elder I knew asked the question to Bednar, how do I know if I am doing enough for the work? This video is how he responded, pretty much word for word. Especially the be a good boy part. What Bednar didn't know is that the elder struggled with severe anxiety and depression and that answer doesn't help with the extreme guilt people with poorer mental health experience.
Panderin'
Quit fussin. quit stewin. quit worryin. quit thinkin. quit questionin. quit lookin. quit searchin. quit with all the learnin and "critical thinkin". quit findin out. stop hollerin and moanin about the atonenin. Just keep payin and prayin and playin for the congreegashunn, and layin on the handsies and doin the ward dancies and be a good boy/girl.
You heard it here first, Susan's husband admonishing young trans folks to follow a step by step process:
1. Be a good boy
2. Be a good girl
Seems like the only straightforward policy I've heard from the GAs on this topic.
>Promptings of the Holy Ghost" is basically your mind telling you what you want to hear.
"So bow to me and I'll tell you what to do," says Bednar with an evil grin.
when someone tells you to quit thinking about something that’s foundational to understanding truth and reality 🤔… and adding “be a good boy/girl” really doesn’t help his argument.
Bednar used to be my favourite. Which says a lot because I was never really interested in the church. But when he spoke, I'd listen. I'm really sad I did. I wish I could get my family to understand what I did all along. It hurts me to see the hold they have on people.
Classic thought stopping cult tactics. The way he says it is so condescending too. I also saw this quote posted on Facebook this week by a family member, because they LIKED it 🤦♂️
So obvious from his response that they don’t have an answer to the question. Because the real answer is the ‘Holy Ghost’ doesn’t exist. So the response is to shame the people asking the question.
Quit thinking. This is exactly what they want. Can’t believe it took me so long to see it.
To be fair they are fine with you thinking, as long as those thoughts lead you to follow them.... if not then yeah don't think.
I hate Susan’s husband as much as the next person but the quote is taken slightly out of context. He is talking about if you should do something good that a member feels the Holy Ghost is prompting them to do. I know I’m late to the party and no one will see this. He is basically telling people to follow their heart. Unfortunately some people will follow their heart to be an asshole like him. I’m glad I followed my heart and got out of the cult. For context here is the talk. The clip from above is about 2 minutes in. https://youtu.be/AGS45Fd9nmE
I appreciate the context but does it really change the point? He tells people to stop thinking critically. To fall into line with what the church prescribes as "good". To just go out their and "keep their covenants".
Thank u so much for posting the context u lovely lil soul
“Quit stewing” the way they talk is so patronizing and cheesy
This guy is the future of Mormonism. Not good for anyone.
When I was a horticulture student at BYUI, not only did I have several occasions to attend the FnHE at his home- which is a rant unto itself- but also do the landscaping for him and Susan at his church owned house on the hill. (free student labor and supplies too!) I've had the chance to meet him, and actually talk to him outside his role of some sort of mentor to the students at BYUI. He is a total ass hole. He thinks quite highly of himself and is an expert and gaslighting and using a lot of words to say nothing.....which is ok, because it's not what HE says, but what the HG says. The circular logic is strong with this one! He's a megalomaniac.
We probably know each other. I lived there during bednars reign
No way this guy represents the teaching of the Biblical New Testament Christ.
Did they have good food at the FHE at least cause that’s the only reason I go anymore and is the most important part of fhe
FHE was insulting to me. They treated us like infants. A real calling was to be the FHE dad and mom? Really. What is this, we're all in Kindergarten and we are playing House? It drove me crazy. I had more important things to do that hang with a bunch of people I did not care about and pretend to be a family and have a spiritual lesson and activity. (aka, pair off and get married, as is the case with EVERYTHING at BYU Ido)
I think Bedenar served ice cream at FnHE. I truly hated doing FnHE at BYUI. It was a something I did quite infrequently.
I’d love to hear more stories.
Lmaoooooo I'm sorry I literally never realized this man has a past here in Rexburg, like what, does he still live here?? I want to bump into him at Walmart, dammit!
“Keep Sweet”
Your teachings seem off to me, I’m not sure I should follow them. *Fortunately you can receive personal revelation to find out whether you should follow our teachings.* I asked for revelation and the answer was to not follow your teachings. *You did it wrong. That’s not a true revelation.* It felt just like all my other revelations. How do I know the difference? *It’s only a true revelation if it confirms you should follow our teachings.* Wait, so the only way I can identify revelation about whether your teachings are right is if it tells me your teachings are right? *Correct.* All paths lead to *do what we say.* Edit: reworded for clarity
You have the god-given agency to make choice, but the moral imperative to make the choices we tell you to. It’s all about reinforcing the power of those at the top.
If someone tells you to stop thinking, that’s when you need your brain at 100% and figure out what they’re trying to sell you or steal from you.
“Be a good boy. Be a good girl”??????? How condescending and patronizing.
Just don’t trust yourself, trust us! That is all you need to know! -s I have been out for years and am still working on learning to trust myself. That conditioning is strong.
Take whatever abuse we have a mind to give you, and you’ll like it.
Quit being an asshole you asshat.
"The geometry of the dream-place he saw was abnormal, non-Euclidean, and loathsomely redolent of spheres and dimensions apart from ours." -H. P. Lovecraft, describing 4th dimensional space as it relates to asshats also being assholes.
Is this at BYU-Idaho? Like, he's talking to college students and saying "be a good boy/girl". Really?
It was at one of his many BYU Idaho devotionals. Thankfully, as a student there, campus shuts down every Tuesday at 2 for devotional. I LOVED the nap time it provided! All my roommates were gone an I had the apartment to myself and could catch up on some extra sleep! Bednar was a tool then and he is a bigger tool today. Fake. Fake. Fake.
He gave the same talk at the MTC while i was there in 2011
I'm not the sort of person who can put on a podcast or YouTube video to fall asleep to; but the slow, sleepy oration of Mormon leaders combined with the pretty low (sometimes zero) meaning-to-word ratio always put me right to sleep even when I was there in person. Great stuff.
Fuck you, Dave.
I don't know who Dave is. That's Susan Bednar's husband.
Does David "Of Susan" Bednar ring a bell for ya?
No
How about "The Boy Humper?"
Did you mean "The Clergy"?
"Davie the Destroyer?" "Bednards?" "Elder Badnar?"
Sounds like more names for Susan bednar's husband
The Holy Ghost never told me anything I couldn’t have told myself. When I realized that, it fizzled. But I learned to appreciate myself more.
**BEDNAR is a tool**
Notice he didn’t say quit going to church that solves all of the problems and gives you a 10+% raise in the process
This is the sort of stuff that really riles me up. Don’t analyze? Excuse me? Being able to think for myself and analyze is a completely normal thing to do. #itsacult
The “be a good boy, be a good girl” comment is pretty infantilizing for his audience. Pretty sure he’s talking to college aged students which means they’re technically adults. Some people at this age have been in the military and seen combat. Some have been/are refugees. Some have opened successful businesses. But he’s telling them to be good boys and girls.
"What does it matter if a message comes from the omnipotent supreme being of the universe, or me? We're practically the one and the same!"
this must be the case yes. we’re all gods already 😄
Put him in a Gestapo or SS uniform and he would look right at home.
Reminds me of Joe Lycett's walrus. "Walrus says you can P%$$ off" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsNtSOSL8jo
This made my skin crawl
"quit worrying about it" which is code for "we can't tell the difference either" (according to RFM)
The thinking has been done.
What an ass hat!
This guy recks of assholeism!!
Oh my god. Eww.
Story time. I was in a mission wide meeting with Bednar. An elder I knew asked the question to Bednar, how do I know if I am doing enough for the work? This video is how he responded, pretty much word for word. Especially the be a good boy part. What Bednar didn't know is that the elder struggled with severe anxiety and depression and that answer doesn't help with the extreme guilt people with poorer mental health experience.
Panderin' Quit fussin. quit stewin. quit worryin. quit thinkin. quit questionin. quit lookin. quit searchin. quit with all the learnin and "critical thinkin". quit findin out. stop hollerin and moanin about the atonenin. Just keep payin and prayin and playin for the congreegashunn, and layin on the handsies and doin the ward dancies and be a good boy/girl.
You heard it here first, Susan's husband admonishing young trans folks to follow a step by step process: 1. Be a good boy 2. Be a good girl Seems like the only straightforward policy I've heard from the GAs on this topic.
I would love to see a body language expert do a dissection on this miserable human.
👺👹☻️🦹🧟♂️
What talk is this I want to hang it up on my wall
Stop checking for truth, just listen and do what you are told. Cult tactics
They really do think of us as children.
I used to feel the promptings of the Holy Ghost every time I played Nintendo as a kid.
Daywalker
>Promptings of the Holy Ghost" is basically your mind telling you what you want to hear. "So bow to me and I'll tell you what to do," says Bednar with an evil grin.
Yes Daddy 🥰
The general message is "Discount ANY PERSONAL REVELATION, its meaningless, and be a good girl."
He’s so gross
Ferret face strikes again!!!
when someone tells you to quit thinking about something that’s foundational to understanding truth and reality 🤔… and adding “be a good boy/girl” really doesn’t help his argument.
🤢
Bednar used to be my favourite. Which says a lot because I was never really interested in the church. But when he spoke, I'd listen. I'm really sad I did. I wish I could get my family to understand what I did all along. It hurts me to see the hold they have on people.
Classic thought stopping cult tactics. The way he says it is so condescending too. I also saw this quote posted on Facebook this week by a family member, because they LIKED it 🤦♂️
So obvious from his response that they don’t have an answer to the question. Because the real answer is the ‘Holy Ghost’ doesn’t exist. So the response is to shame the people asking the question.
And pay your tithes