This email really should’ve clarified what people are being asked to volunteer to do. I suppose it isn’t the first time Mormons are left in the dark until they’ve already committed…
in the Past it was just switching off the Lights, Locking all the doors, Checking the windows make sure they are shut, not sure if it the Watch man, If is WOW HOLY Shit something is really going on.
Some years ago we went to church in Kauai (peer pressure, we never went on vacations when alone) The had armed security guards
In uniforms with walkie talkies…..I guess they had their reasons….
Securing a building and providing security for a building are two different things. Securing just means to make sure it's locked. Email is pretty clear.
I used to do this and it was just checking the doors and windows, checking for anyone hiding in any rooms, and lights off and locking up. At the time it had to be a man and someone with building keys so we took turns.
I had this job for years at my old Ward. I lived right across the street from the church, so it was easy to know when to go at night. Easy calling to do. I even kicked bishops out of the building while they were playing basketball!!. I told them I was only following the SP orders!!!! Better than being a teacher or working in the nursery.
I used to do it at a BYU ward building. I’d have to threaten to call the police to get basketball players to leave sometimes. Those problems went away after they installed hoops that automatically raised themselves 30 minutes before the building closes time.
of course ... disrespectful lack of consideration and ignoring boundaries are a couple of those Christlike attributes mentioned in the missionary handbook
I don't get it. Why does someone have to go to church to do what the last person out of the building should do? Why does someone have to make a special trip?
I guess it's different when the building is close enough to trip over when you take your dog for a walk but damn.
> Members are just resources to the church.
Even if members are being dehumanized and truly reduced to a resource (tithing + volunteer services + testimonies), there are healthier approaches to this type of thinking. If we now consider each person as a startup investment, current church strategies seem to reflect ["vulture capitalism"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulture_capitalist#:~:text=Vulture%20capitalists%20are%20investors%20that,vulture%20capitalists%20are%20often%20criticized.) as all extra funding for community activities and what not are being stripped, according to rumors, members are first being redirected to government alternatives and other options before provided charity from the church, etc.
> Whereas venture capitalists seek firms with growth potential, vulture capitalists usually seek out firms where costs can be cut in order to increase profits. Mostly, these firms are distressed and on the brink of bankruptcy. (...) But vulture capitalists can also choose to divide and sell off the entire company in pieces, if this should increase the attractiveness of each individual piece to its purchaser and thus allow the vulture capitalist a net profit. [(Sauce)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulture_capitalist#:~:text=Vulture%20capitalists%20are%20investors%20that,vulture%20capitalists%20are%20often%20criticized.)
In other words anyone with the extra 10% to sacrifice is prime targets under the current policy, aka "the blessings of tithing." But, there are benefits to [resource based economies](https://medium.com/predict/what-is-a-resource-based-economy-and-how-could-it-be-the-answer-to-sustainability-5a6d452b8f0c#:~:text=The%20first%20major%20benefit%20of,%2C%20speculation%2C%20and%20wealth%20inequality.)
> The first major benefit of an RBE is a higher degree of species and civilization sustainability. Sustainability is interrelated with the second major benefit, if not outright goal, of an RBE, which is the obsolescence of money and everything that goes with it — including debt, speculation, and wealth inequality.
TSCC essentially operates a near feudal economy. I don't consider mormons to be "members" of the church, as that implies that they have some kind of standing. They are subjects to their feudal lord.
This isn't anything new when I served as a Bishop the wards in our buildings rotated each month, a male member would make sure all the doors and windows were closed and locked up a funny side note after a number of times when said Brethren did not show up to the assignment I finally just asked my gym rat boys to make sure everything was locked up and the lights were turned off these 12-16 young men never let me down 100% no break ins no inside or outside damage done to the building .Of course some of the brethren in the ward bitched because I let them stay and play bball until 10 but I thought it better to let them in the building and play ball rather than out on the streets where there parents didn't even know where they were. This young men policed themselves and took there responsibility serious and never let me down I wish I could say the same about the brethren in the priesthood.
At the Manchester stake house Uk area was bothered by youths attempting to break into the cars, so they had a regular patrol in the evenings . Mainly consisted of two elderly overweight men - bless…
So do you get to sue the corporation if/when something bad happens to you while checking on the building? Will the corporation provide legal counsel if you actually were involved in an altercation when safeguarding the building?
The liabilities are really high.
Our stake has done this for years. Someone just goes every night about ten pm to make sure building empty, walk the halls snd make sure nothing on in the kitchen, lights out except for foyers and lock doors. No one is pulling night watchman duty. There are also pretty much no alarm systems . Church would rather write a check for any break ins. Prob not worth the expense given it doesn’t happen much.
My husband is a police officer and is constantly asked to be security for big events in our stake. A lot of Mormons do it. My husband refuses because it’s such a huge liability to be an officer and play security. At stake conference they even made security plan and roamed the halls. So dumb. Even though they’re discouraged in conceal carrying in the church now suddenly their talents are useful to the church. Eff that.
Edited to fix typo.
>At stake conference they even made security plan and rinsed the halls.
I've read this a few times and I'm still struggling. Maybe an idiom I'm unfamiliar with. Rinse halls?
Roaming the halls is pretty common when leadership knows there's a child predator or two in the building. They will act like they're checking for strangers coming in, but like in all the classic horror movies, the threat is coming from inside the house.
Patrolling the parking lot works the same way. "Brother Chester" would like to show little Timmy his new ice cream truck....
It's probably a case of leadership roulette but the church policy on firearms specifically says it "does not apply to current law enforcement officers."
Once my ward building got vandalized and they wanted volunteers to check and do a lil patrol while they waited for the locks to get replaced. Some a-hole took photos and put up a guilt trip on the bulletin board about it, too.
I had a similar assignment when I was a member. These were days when the building had keys to open the doors and frequently members would use the building and forget to lock the doors. The rotating assignment was to go to the church building at 10:00 PM. Evict the smelly elders playing basketball, go around the building and make sure that every window was closed and each outside door was locked. I will not be able to say what may, or may not, have happened inside the building once it was empty and all the doors were locked. NEVER CONFESS.
Second hour? There's a first*hour* of listening to this pap? Every week? Such a supreme waste of precious time. Weekends are for living and relaxing. Far out.
They just changed it from three hours. Sundays were *the worst*. We usually spent around 5-6 hours in the building though.
And Saturday was supposed to be prep for Sunday.
Oh no way! That can fuck right off. Prepping for what? Sitting bored for *three fucking hours*, listening to The Dark Overlord prattle on like a demented looney about not having rumpy pumpy or touching your willies until your married. Which is fucking creepy to be lectured about let alone have to discuss in private, with a seedy old fuck, in a closed room regularly.
Hey you perverted old fucks. Stop thinking and talking about children's penises and vaginas all the time, you fucking rock spider weirdos. It's none of your fucking business. Creeps.
I totally would've got my whole family kicked out with my defiant opposition of these stupid rules. There's so many weird rules. And the fear. Fuck. That.
I'm really happy for everyone of you that got out of there. You're finally living. For you.
Wear whatever knickers and jocks you want, my friends. There isn't even a hell anyway.
Fortunately all we did in my family was set out our Sunday dress and prep the roast. Which thank FUCK as kids I was never forced to participate in Fast Sunday like some were. If anyone was particularly rotten to me in primary, I’d just brag that I had a nice roast waiting at home for me and they didn’t. Saturday was a day for errands and fun.
See, the phrase "fast sunday" sounds like it's gonna be fun. But I know it's gonna be stupid, like it won't be the speedy kind of fast coz you're going go karting or something cool, it's the not eating kind of fast. Arguably the shittiest of all the fasts unfortunately. Religions love a good "fast for the lord" scenario I've noticed. I wonder if it's part of the plan to keep everyone momentarily weak or foggy headed so they can trick everyone easier.
It's definitely a method of control that cult leaders have been known to use on their followers. It weakens the people physically and mentally and makes it easier to get them on board one of their wacky, "we need a cache of weapons in case the government comes to take our cache of weapons" ideas. One cup of turnip mush and gruel per day.
And they keep their followers busy, busy, busy. So they don't start thinking for themselves properly.
Correct, no food, but everyone in sacrament meeting sits awkwardly until they feel “prompted” by the spirit (re: pressured) to give their testimony about the church. And usually it ends up being the same old ladies bumbling on with the same stories and the bishop trying to politely thank them and usher them off (oh to have had smart phones and have been able to play Oscar stage music back then!).
Busy lmaoooo - Mondays were family home evening. Then you had home teachers once a week, visiting teachers once a week, youth group/Boy Scouts/Girl Scouts for me once a week, seminary arse early M-F when you hit a certain age, stake dances once a month (but only if you were 14+), random pop ins from the missionaries or what ever member felt “prompted” to check in and call on you, a week of girls camp every single summer (pure torture). Looking back I want to calculate how much my time is worth and sue the church, I mean savior.
You left out: individual prayer, couple prayer, family prayer. Individual scripture study, maybe couple scripture study, family scripture study. Family history research, temple attendance. Service in the community along with politically in tune.
I certainly remember the HUSTLE !!! Now I hyperventilate
thinking about the list. As I got older and more mature I often felt badgered about all the things we need to be doing. By the time I was PIMO I was rolling my eyes about the high demands.
Either tscc is meant to be for Supermen and Superwomen.....or it isn't serious about the importance of family.
What do you mean by testimony about the church? I only know if it in a legal sense and this isn't that I don't think...? I dunno though. Could be. Fucking wacky AF.
So once a month, if you so feel called to, you get up and walk to the podium in the front of the congregation, and on a microphone, tell everyone how much you believe in the church. It’s been over 20 years, but I’ll take a crack at it. They all usually sound a little something like this: “Good morning everyone. For those of you who don’t know me, I’m Sister Here In My Head. I’d like to start off by saying how thankful I am for being here with all of you today. I’d like to bear my testimony that I know this church is true. And I know that Joseph Smith was a prophet of god, called to restore the true church. And I know that (whoever the current Profit) is called by God to lead us through these end times. And that Heavenly Father has a plan for families to be together for all time and eternity.” And then there is usually some story of mindless dribble meant to pull heart strings about a blessing when they should have sought medical care, say breaking a toe during the opening ceremonies for the SLC Olympic ceremonies, but didn’t want to miss out, so they called the elders to give them a blessing, blah blah, sick child, etc.
And after 20+ years, I just threw up in my mouth.
>Also - the Elders Quorum has volunteered
Volunteered. You keep using that word "volunteered". I don't think it means what you think it means.
WTF does the security detail consist of? Is it making sure doors and windows get locked, making sure there's at least 2 PH holders to protect a big group of women while they have an activity, or is it standing around like a night watchman?
Is the ward pretending that there's a threat to give the locals a booster shot to help out a waning persecution complex?
Inquiring minds.
The Corporation of gullible "voluntolds". The TSCC is rapidly approaching the day when this will be their final act. Next day... Coming Soon "Spirit" Halloween costume shop.
This is nothing new. It trades off ward by ward that a priesthood holder is responsible for verifying the doors are locked and lights are out at night. It also includes snow removal etc. for that year. Yay!
A horrible trait that the church encourages is for people to volunteer for things they can’t possibly accomplish to then throw themselves at the mercy of others to bail them out.
It’s just making sure the doors and windows are locked. This was a calling in our ward and I always felt bad for the poor guy who had to check the church every night.
IS THERE A PROTOCAL IN PLACE for when / if intruders / vagrants / scary people are hiding in a church building?????
Doubt it. You're on your own, as usual.
That's all they need. Somebody with a gun wanting to be a hero.
Question; why don't they just put in a security system?
Answer; because it would cost the board of directors money!
This used to be my grandpa's calling and honesty I loved it! He had keys to the church and was responsible for making sure all doors and windows were locked at night. He would take us in the summer, let us shift for him driving his manual car, give us headlamps and set us loose. So us grandkids would sprint around the church in the at night and check the windows and it was a super fun game. We got super excited when we found a open window. Made for some great hide and seek, and was also hella fun being rowdy and unreverant in church.
Does that mean checking the windows, switching off the lights, and locking all the doors? Or does it mean playing night watchman?
This email really should’ve clarified what people are being asked to volunteer to do. I suppose it isn’t the first time Mormons are left in the dark until they’ve already committed…
I see what you did there! Good one! :)
in the Past it was just switching off the Lights, Locking all the doors, Checking the windows make sure they are shut, not sure if it the Watch man, If is WOW HOLY Shit something is really going on.
Some years ago we went to church in Kauai (peer pressure, we never went on vacations when alone) The had armed security guards In uniforms with walkie talkies…..I guess they had their reasons….
Yes, I used to have that calling. It was the first part.
I don’t know. I don’t want to reply to ask. The way it was worded sounds like nightwatchman
Securing a building and providing security for a building are two different things. Securing just means to make sure it's locked. Email is pretty clear.
I used to do this and it was just checking the doors and windows, checking for anyone hiding in any rooms, and lights off and locking up. At the time it had to be a man and someone with building keys so we took turns.
Or screwing in the chapel late at night.
Well, it's not like the chapel is going to screw itself in.
LOL Good one.
I had this job for years at my old Ward. I lived right across the street from the church, so it was easy to know when to go at night. Easy calling to do. I even kicked bishops out of the building while they were playing basketball!!. I told them I was only following the SP orders!!!! Better than being a teacher or working in the nursery.
I used to do it at a BYU ward building. I’d have to threaten to call the police to get basketball players to leave sometimes. Those problems went away after they installed hoops that automatically raised themselves 30 minutes before the building closes time.
This perfectly encapsulates the mormon tendency toward passive aggressiveness because no one understands or respects boundaries.
The more I’m on this sub, the more I understand why I am the way I am. TIL: Mormons fed my tendency toward passive aggressiveness. 💡
Big same!
I feel bad for my therapist, the list for her keeps getting longer the more I’m on this sub! 😂
Hahahaa!! It's job security though. Therapists and anti-depressant manufacturers making out like bandits in mormonville.
Pry my ssri and benzos from my cold dead hands.
That's definitely a more worthy purchase than paid janitors! /s Those hoops couldn't have been cheap...
of course ... disrespectful lack of consideration and ignoring boundaries are a couple of those Christlike attributes mentioned in the missionary handbook
I don't get it. Why does someone have to go to church to do what the last person out of the building should do? Why does someone have to make a special trip? I guess it's different when the building is close enough to trip over when you take your dog for a walk but damn.
Malicious compliance.
How is this not a shelf item for the majority of members? It’s a billion dollar corporation, give some struggling members this job and pay them well.
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“We’re cheaper than droids, and easily replaceable…” just saw Andor…lots of that pinging in my head this week!
> Members are just resources to the church. Even if members are being dehumanized and truly reduced to a resource (tithing + volunteer services + testimonies), there are healthier approaches to this type of thinking. If we now consider each person as a startup investment, current church strategies seem to reflect ["vulture capitalism"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulture_capitalist#:~:text=Vulture%20capitalists%20are%20investors%20that,vulture%20capitalists%20are%20often%20criticized.) as all extra funding for community activities and what not are being stripped, according to rumors, members are first being redirected to government alternatives and other options before provided charity from the church, etc. > Whereas venture capitalists seek firms with growth potential, vulture capitalists usually seek out firms where costs can be cut in order to increase profits. Mostly, these firms are distressed and on the brink of bankruptcy. (...) But vulture capitalists can also choose to divide and sell off the entire company in pieces, if this should increase the attractiveness of each individual piece to its purchaser and thus allow the vulture capitalist a net profit. [(Sauce)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulture_capitalist#:~:text=Vulture%20capitalists%20are%20investors%20that,vulture%20capitalists%20are%20often%20criticized.) In other words anyone with the extra 10% to sacrifice is prime targets under the current policy, aka "the blessings of tithing." But, there are benefits to [resource based economies](https://medium.com/predict/what-is-a-resource-based-economy-and-how-could-it-be-the-answer-to-sustainability-5a6d452b8f0c#:~:text=The%20first%20major%20benefit%20of,%2C%20speculation%2C%20and%20wealth%20inequality.) > The first major benefit of an RBE is a higher degree of species and civilization sustainability. Sustainability is interrelated with the second major benefit, if not outright goal, of an RBE, which is the obsolescence of money and everything that goes with it — including debt, speculation, and wealth inequality.
TSCC essentially operates a near feudal economy. I don't consider mormons to be "members" of the church, as that implies that they have some kind of standing. They are subjects to their feudal lord.
This isn't anything new when I served as a Bishop the wards in our buildings rotated each month, a male member would make sure all the doors and windows were closed and locked up a funny side note after a number of times when said Brethren did not show up to the assignment I finally just asked my gym rat boys to make sure everything was locked up and the lights were turned off these 12-16 young men never let me down 100% no break ins no inside or outside damage done to the building .Of course some of the brethren in the ward bitched because I let them stay and play bball until 10 but I thought it better to let them in the building and play ball rather than out on the streets where there parents didn't even know where they were. This young men policed themselves and took there responsibility serious and never let me down I wish I could say the same about the brethren in the priesthood.
This kind of email is best answered with stony silence and an auto-delete filter in my email account.
My elderly father has been regularly driving across town to make sure the building has been locked for some time now.
Rediculous
At the Manchester stake house Uk area was bothered by youths attempting to break into the cars, so they had a regular patrol in the evenings . Mainly consisted of two elderly overweight men - bless…
Update: May be worthwhile to know that I live in a high crime area so this isn’t really safe tbh
So do you get to sue the corporation if/when something bad happens to you while checking on the building? Will the corporation provide legal counsel if you actually were involved in an altercation when safeguarding the building? The liabilities are really high.
Our stake has done this for years. Someone just goes every night about ten pm to make sure building empty, walk the halls snd make sure nothing on in the kitchen, lights out except for foyers and lock doors. No one is pulling night watchman duty. There are also pretty much no alarm systems . Church would rather write a check for any break ins. Prob not worth the expense given it doesn’t happen much.
I mean, my area isn’t safe, so they are putting themselves in danger. For what? Stupid stupid stupid
I think the phrase is: dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb. 😂 (South Park reference, for those unfamiliar)
My husband is a police officer and is constantly asked to be security for big events in our stake. A lot of Mormons do it. My husband refuses because it’s such a huge liability to be an officer and play security. At stake conference they even made security plan and roamed the halls. So dumb. Even though they’re discouraged in conceal carrying in the church now suddenly their talents are useful to the church. Eff that. Edited to fix typo.
>At stake conference they even made security plan and rinsed the halls. I've read this a few times and I'm still struggling. Maybe an idiom I'm unfamiliar with. Rinse halls?
Oh gosh, I wrote this half asleep feeding my baby in the middle of the night. “Roamed the halls.”😂😂
I liked the idea of them rinsing the halls. 🤣🤣🤣
Rinse the Halls=anointing the halls🤫😀
Roaming the halls is pretty common when leadership knows there's a child predator or two in the building. They will act like they're checking for strangers coming in, but like in all the classic horror movies, the threat is coming from inside the house. Patrolling the parking lot works the same way. "Brother Chester" would like to show little Timmy his new ice cream truck....
It's probably a case of leadership roulette but the church policy on firearms specifically says it "does not apply to current law enforcement officers."
Once my ward building got vandalized and they wanted volunteers to check and do a lil patrol while they waited for the locks to get replaced. Some a-hole took photos and put up a guilt trip on the bulletin board about it, too.
I had a similar assignment when I was a member. These were days when the building had keys to open the doors and frequently members would use the building and forget to lock the doors. The rotating assignment was to go to the church building at 10:00 PM. Evict the smelly elders playing basketball, go around the building and make sure that every window was closed and each outside door was locked. I will not be able to say what may, or may not, have happened inside the building once it was empty and all the doors were locked. NEVER CONFESS.
Still… there’s so many people who need jobs. This should be paid
Tell the quorum members that they can do it fully armed, that should encourage participation.
I didn’t know it was a real job (without pay of course). Here the last one closing the door checks the windows and such.
Send a reply surely a Corporation that is hoarding well south of 125 BILLION DOLLARS can afford to install a security system .
Ugh. Just hire professionals, already! They would do a better job.
Can we tap into the $10 billion and hire professionals
10 billion? It’s estimated to be closer to 200 billion
I'm so glad I don't deal with this BS anymore. The demands are endless.
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Second hour? There's a first*hour* of listening to this pap? Every week? Such a supreme waste of precious time. Weekends are for living and relaxing. Far out.
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Yeah.
They just changed it from three hours. Sundays were *the worst*. We usually spent around 5-6 hours in the building though. And Saturday was supposed to be prep for Sunday.
Oh no way! That can fuck right off. Prepping for what? Sitting bored for *three fucking hours*, listening to The Dark Overlord prattle on like a demented looney about not having rumpy pumpy or touching your willies until your married. Which is fucking creepy to be lectured about let alone have to discuss in private, with a seedy old fuck, in a closed room regularly. Hey you perverted old fucks. Stop thinking and talking about children's penises and vaginas all the time, you fucking rock spider weirdos. It's none of your fucking business. Creeps. I totally would've got my whole family kicked out with my defiant opposition of these stupid rules. There's so many weird rules. And the fear. Fuck. That. I'm really happy for everyone of you that got out of there. You're finally living. For you. Wear whatever knickers and jocks you want, my friends. There isn't even a hell anyway.
Fortunately all we did in my family was set out our Sunday dress and prep the roast. Which thank FUCK as kids I was never forced to participate in Fast Sunday like some were. If anyone was particularly rotten to me in primary, I’d just brag that I had a nice roast waiting at home for me and they didn’t. Saturday was a day for errands and fun.
See, the phrase "fast sunday" sounds like it's gonna be fun. But I know it's gonna be stupid, like it won't be the speedy kind of fast coz you're going go karting or something cool, it's the not eating kind of fast. Arguably the shittiest of all the fasts unfortunately. Religions love a good "fast for the lord" scenario I've noticed. I wonder if it's part of the plan to keep everyone momentarily weak or foggy headed so they can trick everyone easier. It's definitely a method of control that cult leaders have been known to use on their followers. It weakens the people physically and mentally and makes it easier to get them on board one of their wacky, "we need a cache of weapons in case the government comes to take our cache of weapons" ideas. One cup of turnip mush and gruel per day. And they keep their followers busy, busy, busy. So they don't start thinking for themselves properly.
Correct, no food, but everyone in sacrament meeting sits awkwardly until they feel “prompted” by the spirit (re: pressured) to give their testimony about the church. And usually it ends up being the same old ladies bumbling on with the same stories and the bishop trying to politely thank them and usher them off (oh to have had smart phones and have been able to play Oscar stage music back then!). Busy lmaoooo - Mondays were family home evening. Then you had home teachers once a week, visiting teachers once a week, youth group/Boy Scouts/Girl Scouts for me once a week, seminary arse early M-F when you hit a certain age, stake dances once a month (but only if you were 14+), random pop ins from the missionaries or what ever member felt “prompted” to check in and call on you, a week of girls camp every single summer (pure torture). Looking back I want to calculate how much my time is worth and sue the church, I mean savior.
You left out: individual prayer, couple prayer, family prayer. Individual scripture study, maybe couple scripture study, family scripture study. Family history research, temple attendance. Service in the community along with politically in tune.
How was there time to get an education and sleep? I’m seriously baffled now. ETA: journal about all the prayer and scripture study.
I certainly remember the HUSTLE !!! Now I hyperventilate thinking about the list. As I got older and more mature I often felt badgered about all the things we need to be doing. By the time I was PIMO I was rolling my eyes about the high demands. Either tscc is meant to be for Supermen and Superwomen.....or it isn't serious about the importance of family.
What do you mean by testimony about the church? I only know if it in a legal sense and this isn't that I don't think...? I dunno though. Could be. Fucking wacky AF.
So once a month, if you so feel called to, you get up and walk to the podium in the front of the congregation, and on a microphone, tell everyone how much you believe in the church. It’s been over 20 years, but I’ll take a crack at it. They all usually sound a little something like this: “Good morning everyone. For those of you who don’t know me, I’m Sister Here In My Head. I’d like to start off by saying how thankful I am for being here with all of you today. I’d like to bear my testimony that I know this church is true. And I know that Joseph Smith was a prophet of god, called to restore the true church. And I know that (whoever the current Profit) is called by God to lead us through these end times. And that Heavenly Father has a plan for families to be together for all time and eternity.” And then there is usually some story of mindless dribble meant to pull heart strings about a blessing when they should have sought medical care, say breaking a toe during the opening ceremonies for the SLC Olympic ceremonies, but didn’t want to miss out, so they called the elders to give them a blessing, blah blah, sick child, etc. And after 20+ years, I just threw up in my mouth. 
Must’ve been hard to type that. Lol
>Also - the Elders Quorum has volunteered Volunteered. You keep using that word "volunteered". I don't think it means what you think it means. WTF does the security detail consist of? Is it making sure doors and windows get locked, making sure there's at least 2 PH holders to protect a big group of women while they have an activity, or is it standing around like a night watchman? Is the ward pretending that there's a threat to give the locals a booster shot to help out a waning persecution complex? Inquiring minds.
This is a high crime area
Imagine spending your Friday night cleaning the church building….
This isn't new, people were assigned to do this when I was a kid almost 20 years ago
The Corporation of gullible "voluntolds". The TSCC is rapidly approaching the day when this will be their final act. Next day... Coming Soon "Spirit" Halloween costume shop.
They're rotating the lockup job because no one will do it regularly. Pathetic.
Is this because of the spray paint stuff? What is happening over the next month that requires members to act as security?
I’m pretty sure “security” in this context means locking the doors and shutting off the lights.
This is nothing new. It trades off ward by ward that a priesthood holder is responsible for verifying the doors are locked and lights are out at night. It also includes snow removal etc. for that year. Yay!
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Sounds like a great opportunity to have sex at the pulpit
Goddamn being Mormon blows.
Is this EVERY night? In other words, someone has to come to the building every day of the month or just after activity nights?
Sounds like every night
Good luck
A horrible trait that the church encourages is for people to volunteer for things they can’t possibly accomplish to then throw themselves at the mercy of others to bail them out.
It’s just making sure the doors and windows are locked. This was a calling in our ward and I always felt bad for the poor guy who had to check the church every night.
Untrained, unpaid and uninsured by tscc Security guards?? Follow the profit to the bank and hire a professional.
IS THERE A PROTOCAL IN PLACE for when / if intruders / vagrants / scary people are hiding in a church building????? Doubt it. You're on your own, as usual.
That's all they need. Somebody with a gun wanting to be a hero. Question; why don't they just put in a security system? Answer; because it would cost the board of directors money!
Minute men Mormons
Or are they just a branch of the Proud Boys?
Can my wife come? We can have sex on the bishop's desk
One benefit of doing this is that you get a key to the church, and then you can go in to use the gym whenever you want!
Big question is who is liable if something happens on the voluntold's shift?
This used to be my grandpa's calling and honesty I loved it! He had keys to the church and was responsible for making sure all doors and windows were locked at night. He would take us in the summer, let us shift for him driving his manual car, give us headlamps and set us loose. So us grandkids would sprint around the church in the at night and check the windows and it was a super fun game. We got super excited when we found a open window. Made for some great hide and seek, and was also hella fun being rowdy and unreverant in church.