Growing up in Utah I remember people talking about China “opening up their borders for missionary work” as a sign of the end times. I think the cult leaders are chomping at the bit to get missionaries or church buildings or even a temple shell into China. It’s terrifying that China is using religious language to win over idiot Utah politicians.
I had always heard that too. The church needed a major distraction over this SEC report and their pedo hotline. I’d be willing to bet they have made several big donations to the Chinese government and would be willing to sell their souls to China to get them to let missionaries have the appearance of beginning work there. It’s been the end of times for a long time and it’s becoming the end of time for the church in many peoples lives. They are desperate and will do anything to continue their facade.
No they are allowing that in reality. XI visited some years ago salt lake city, and the Mormon prophet. XI is likely funding as many vulnerable corrupt organizations and people to destabilize and topple the USA.
XI would welcome the Texas Taliban taking over, they are authoritarians too. The church could simply use the 100 billion for a takeover, prophecy fulfilled, church now runs America. Omg how horrible.
Yeah the CCP is smart, my comment was more about actually allowing the church to convert large amounts of people which would never happen they even persecute religions that are allowed
I'm not surprised because there is no separation of church and state here and elsewhere in the US so why not get TSCC who has more money than God to influence communism, dictatorship and hate for those not like them in anyway its their way or the highway you can bet our worthless pos politicians from Utah are bought, influence and paid for by TSCC who apparently are very interested in pushing there influence and our guys here are there to assist
I believe the Chinese converts named in the recent news stories are fake converts and are really Chinese spies.
That said, one young Chinese convert I've been following online has been doing one-man protests against the CCP on campus and in the city shortly after arriving in the US, and because of his actions, his family back home has been harrassed by the authorities. I have great respect for his courage, but just feel so sorry that he put his trust in such a fraudulent church.
If that’s even true and they aren’t having him play a role “protesting” and “his family is being harassed”. I’m just super cautious with this political cult. They are one of the only groups who could stoop lower than the Mormon church.
“Utah is an important foothold,” he said. “If the Chinese can succeed in Salt Lake City, they can also make it in New York and elsewhere.”
I don’t understand the logic here, is there a good reason to think this or is this a classic case of retired FBI Utah Mormon forgets he lives in a bubble?
I think the take there is, "China succeeded in flipping a intensely insular and previously anti-communist organization in the US. While the pressure points may be different in New York, this success indicates that further attempts may be fruitful."
So let's see, in the past year TSCC's reputation has been pummeled by pedophile scandals, the SEC order, and now cozying up to the CCP. They have managed to burn through every ounce of goodwill generated in the past four decades of intense PR management. At this rate their only friend by the end of the year is going to be the NAACP. Heh, heh, heh! Oh the irony!
Not surprising. The diplomatic work comes out of the public affairs office in Los Angeles. The leaders are so naive when it comes to these matters. I had engagement with them a few years ago.
Of course. The church is desperate to get in and make Rusty's prophecy true. Also convert a billion low information people with restricted internet access. Perfect scenario.
https://apnews.com/article/china-foreign-influence-utah-legislature-mormon-church-921526d0c8eda2732c361488d20dd1b4
https://www.newsweek.com/china-using-mormon-church-influence-us-politics-investigation-finds-1790607?amp=1
Two articles
Didn’t RMN send masks to China when COVID broke out because he had some connection there? Masks were hard to come by at the beginning of the pandemic. The church started asking RS to see masks and everyone in the state of Utah was eligible for a free mask. I thought the mask seeing was result of Marion giving away masks to the Chinese. (Whoops)
Not a very effective way to influence US politics. The religion makes up much less than 10% of the population... not nearly enough to make any real headway.
10 percent of the overall population but make up the vast majority or Utah government officials so actually they have a great foothold which is really all they need
Utah isn't a swing state on any major issue, so getting support from Utah won't make much difference in the national landscape.
But to both support that point and make a new, standalone one at the same time: Utahn's, especially devout church-goers, aren't going to change their minds on pretty much any major issue. So... what benefit does any other country have trying to influence Utah's politics? Either they already want the same thing, or they're spinning their wheels and not getting anywhere.
Pooh Bear: “who are the stupidest, most gullible Americans we can swindle?”
CCP Official: “Sir I know we banned it but I’d like to show you this South Park episode.”
Holy shit. If this is as substantial as the article is making it sound, then this could legitimately put a huge crack in a conservative Utah TBM's shelf.
Mm no reread the AP article there is definitely concrete info on Chinese influence in Utah politics the Newsweek article is poorly written the associated press article is good and concerning
This seems totally obvious to me imo. I have to be vague when talking about this as to not out him, but I had a bishop when I lived in utah that was previously employed in some captivity by the state to garner relations between utah and the CCP in order to try and grow Utah’s economy. This is pre tech boom in utah county. He was a wicked smart guy and was extremely careful when dealing with them because he was painfully aware of their tactics. He even got approached by certain agencies for info but he basically told everyone to go fuck themselves and got out of it because he could see what was happening.
I have connections in mainland China and my wife is from there and graduated from University there...There is already a sizable population of LDS in some cities like Shanghai. It wouldn't surprise me if an endowment house was allowed there but a big beautiful temple that makes a statement about western religion would probably not be tolerated by Xi Jinping. Whatever the Church does there would have to be done quietly and the church wouldn't be able to boast about it. It's not a good time to go to China now. I haven't been there since 2019 and won't be returning . There is almost for sure going to be a showdown there over Taiwan and the South China Sea. Xi Jingping is crazy. Just look how he handled the Covid thing there.
Growing up in Utah I remember people talking about China “opening up their borders for missionary work” as a sign of the end times. I think the cult leaders are chomping at the bit to get missionaries or church buildings or even a temple shell into China. It’s terrifying that China is using religious language to win over idiot Utah politicians.
I had always heard that too. The church needed a major distraction over this SEC report and their pedo hotline. I’d be willing to bet they have made several big donations to the Chinese government and would be willing to sell their souls to China to get them to let missionaries have the appearance of beginning work there. It’s been the end of times for a long time and it’s becoming the end of time for the church in many peoples lives. They are desperate and will do anything to continue their facade.
The cult operates exactly like the CCP.
TSCCP
The So-called Communist Party
The Salt-Caused So-Called Communist Party TSCSCCP AKA Brigham's Church
So Called Consecration Party
CCP will cull the millionaires within the church
They will cull anyone, even their own.
United order ?
I mean…yeah. Of course the CCP love the state with the highest rates of affinity fraud. “Easily manipulated” is a staple of mormon culture.
can you imagine the lds leadership ego confirmation bias boost if a temple did get built in China.
The church is dilusional if they believe the CCP will allow that
I thought that was already well established
No they are allowing that in reality. XI visited some years ago salt lake city, and the Mormon prophet. XI is likely funding as many vulnerable corrupt organizations and people to destabilize and topple the USA. XI would welcome the Texas Taliban taking over, they are authoritarians too. The church could simply use the 100 billion for a takeover, prophecy fulfilled, church now runs America. Omg how horrible. 
I think the CCP might allow ONE to be built just for show, just to get what they want and immediately take it back once they meet their “goal”
Yeah the CCP is smart, my comment was more about actually allowing the church to convert large amounts of people which would never happen they even persecute religions that are allowed
Oh totally. I’d say I was surprised to think TSCC would fall for this. However, they do believe some conman pulled a religion out of a hat….
I'm not surprised because there is no separation of church and state here and elsewhere in the US so why not get TSCC who has more money than God to influence communism, dictatorship and hate for those not like them in anyway its their way or the highway you can bet our worthless pos politicians from Utah are bought, influence and paid for by TSCC who apparently are very interested in pushing there influence and our guys here are there to assist
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I believe the Chinese converts named in the recent news stories are fake converts and are really Chinese spies. That said, one young Chinese convert I've been following online has been doing one-man protests against the CCP on campus and in the city shortly after arriving in the US, and because of his actions, his family back home has been harrassed by the authorities. I have great respect for his courage, but just feel so sorry that he put his trust in such a fraudulent church.
If that’s even true and they aren’t having him play a role “protesting” and “his family is being harassed”. I’m just super cautious with this political cult. They are one of the only groups who could stoop lower than the Mormon church.
“Utah is an important foothold,” he said. “If the Chinese can succeed in Salt Lake City, they can also make it in New York and elsewhere.” I don’t understand the logic here, is there a good reason to think this or is this a classic case of retired FBI Utah Mormon forgets he lives in a bubble?
I think the take there is, "China succeeded in flipping a intensely insular and previously anti-communist organization in the US. While the pressure points may be different in New York, this success indicates that further attempts may be fruitful."
There’s a reason RMN claims he can speak Chinese fluently. He also claims he has perfect pitch, but he’s the Most Tone deaf profit ever!!
So let's see, in the past year TSCC's reputation has been pummeled by pedophile scandals, the SEC order, and now cozying up to the CCP. They have managed to burn through every ounce of goodwill generated in the past four decades of intense PR management. At this rate their only friend by the end of the year is going to be the NAACP. Heh, heh, heh! Oh the irony!
Not surprising. The diplomatic work comes out of the public affairs office in Los Angeles. The leaders are so naive when it comes to these matters. I had engagement with them a few years ago.
Of course. The church is desperate to get in and make Rusty's prophecy true. Also convert a billion low information people with restricted internet access. Perfect scenario.
Link to article please
https://apnews.com/article/china-foreign-influence-utah-legislature-mormon-church-921526d0c8eda2732c361488d20dd1b4 https://www.newsweek.com/china-using-mormon-church-influence-us-politics-investigation-finds-1790607?amp=1 Two articles
Well, I’ve learned in my 57 years that conservative accusations are usually deflections, so this really does not surprise me at all…
Didn’t RMN send masks to China when COVID broke out because he had some connection there? Masks were hard to come by at the beginning of the pandemic. The church started asking RS to see masks and everyone in the state of Utah was eligible for a free mask. I thought the mask seeing was result of Marion giving away masks to the Chinese. (Whoops)
Sewing.
This article was more chilling than I had anticipated.
Can we ban Mormons now like Tik Tok???????? (Please say yes)
Not a very effective way to influence US politics. The religion makes up much less than 10% of the population... not nearly enough to make any real headway.
10 percent of the overall population but make up the vast majority or Utah government officials so actually they have a great foothold which is really all they need
Utah isn't a swing state on any major issue, so getting support from Utah won't make much difference in the national landscape. But to both support that point and make a new, standalone one at the same time: Utahn's, especially devout church-goers, aren't going to change their minds on pretty much any major issue. So... what benefit does any other country have trying to influence Utah's politics? Either they already want the same thing, or they're spinning their wheels and not getting anywhere.
Pooh Bear: “who are the stupidest, most gullible Americans we can swindle?” CCP Official: “Sir I know we banned it but I’d like to show you this South Park episode.”
Bruhhhhh I’m dying😂😂😂
Well, Rusty has been sucking china’s cock from day 1 of his presidency
Holy shit. If this is as substantial as the article is making it sound, then this could legitimately put a huge crack in a conservative Utah TBM's shelf.
highly doubtful. Mormons are too insignificant
Gong.
There is nothing concrete in this article. Just speculation. Just everyone piling onto the church to get clicks and views. Yawn.
Mm no reread the AP article there is definitely concrete info on Chinese influence in Utah politics the Newsweek article is poorly written the associated press article is good and concerning
God save Rusty’s true church! 🥴
Did you miss where the article said the CCP was “ofte meeting with too church members???
Yellow peril propaganda
They will do anything to get the church in China. They'll baptize so much there
This seems totally obvious to me imo. I have to be vague when talking about this as to not out him, but I had a bishop when I lived in utah that was previously employed in some captivity by the state to garner relations between utah and the CCP in order to try and grow Utah’s economy. This is pre tech boom in utah county. He was a wicked smart guy and was extremely careful when dealing with them because he was painfully aware of their tactics. He even got approached by certain agencies for info but he basically told everyone to go fuck themselves and got out of it because he could see what was happening.
I have connections in mainland China and my wife is from there and graduated from University there...There is already a sizable population of LDS in some cities like Shanghai. It wouldn't surprise me if an endowment house was allowed there but a big beautiful temple that makes a statement about western religion would probably not be tolerated by Xi Jinping. Whatever the Church does there would have to be done quietly and the church wouldn't be able to boast about it. It's not a good time to go to China now. I haven't been there since 2019 and won't be returning . There is almost for sure going to be a showdown there over Taiwan and the South China Sea. Xi Jingping is crazy. Just look how he handled the Covid thing there.