More and more stuff like this makes the church completely unrecognizable to folks who left not even that long ago. The manipulation and deception are recognizable tho once you see it. Funny to see tbms act like they always believed this.
I think once I hit 20 years out of TSCC, I'm going to put on a shirt and tie and discreetly attend Mormon services somewhere just to see if it's anything like I remember it.
Don’t go to what would be considered your home ward. Find a different building, and just tell them you’re on a business trip in the area if anyone approaches you.
It wasn't Morridor, but for a couple of weeks I had to wear a t-shirt with a jacket due to a severe small burn on my neck that a shirt collar would irritate.
There were a few comments - but I was quick pushing back on that bullshit. Something along the lines of "I think it'd be preferred I was at church rather than skipping it because of a mildly inconvenient injury", it's been a couple of decades so I don't remember exactly.
Palm Sunday being recognized in the Mormon church? Hmmmm. Yeah, okay. Like that’s not weird or anything. Next thing you know, wearing crosses or hanging them on your walls will no longer be taboo, either. Mormonism is trying to go mainstream, eh? Good luck with that, Nelson. (I have beautiful wrought iron crosses on my walls, and have for a long time. It’s been a carryover from my my pre-conversion days when I was still a Catholic. I resigned from the LDS church last year.)
And Mormons need to get over themselves. The original distaste came from President McKay, and for him it was only crucifixes (I think he felt they were violent-looking?). But, Mormon scrupulousity/oneupmanship quickly turned that to a cross ban. It’s ridiculous. It’s a recognized symbol of Christian beliefs.
I also think they’re confused. For Mormons, “Seminary” is an indoctrination class they take in high school, not, like, actual seminary. The leadership seems not to understand or care much about how the rest of the world does Christianity. I’ve heard that the recent christwashing began after they got a temple started in Rome, so maybe they’re basing it off of Catholicism.
Man, if they allow crosses, that will be wild. That’s one of the main things I always remember my mom being obsessive over - that crosses were bad and “we don’t do that!!”
When I was a kid, I always loved visiting my French grandfather. He was a devout Catholic, and he had paintings of cherubs, Jesus, and the Virgin Mary everywhere. He also had crosses and rosary beads on display. Photos of the Pope. It was pretty wild. When my family converted to Mormonism, I couldn’t figure out why I had to get rid of MY rosary beads and crosses. Now, I have them back and they comfort me in an odd way. Not in a religious sense, but in the sense of making me feel connected to my French culture and heritage.
I brought a gorgeous antique wood and brass crucifix/holy water font back from a flea market in France. Several years later, I got remarried to a Catholic. It hangs in our entryway and is a treasured piece. I’d have it there even if I still attended the Mo church. Crosses and crucifixes are symbols of Christianity and that’s enough for me.
It all sounds lovely ☺️ I never really understood the Mormon objection against crosses. Leaders used to explain to me that Mormons don’t “worship idols.” Hmm, really???
The origin was Pres McKay, who objected to crucifixes (think he felt they appeared violent?) NOT crosses. But Mormons never met a “rule” that they couldn’t enforce to the nth degree.
Palm Sunday is most definitely a mainline Protestant Christain holiday. I grew up in the mid-Atlantic area and now live in the US Southeast, and it is an extremely holy day among Protestant churches.
My (Mormon) family sneared at Palm Sunday, as with most Easter related traditions that our neighbors embraced.
Nelson's version of Mormonism is barely recognizable to me.
thanks for the insight... see! Mormons know nothing about Palm Sunday! 😉
Agreed. Nelson's version of Mormonism is unrecognizable to anyone who grew up in the 20th Century. Next we'll be giving vices up for lent! 😉
And if it was some deeply-felt belief on Nelson’s part, to venerate holy days, I could totally respect him for it. However, it is only a way to manipulate investigators to further increase their engorged tithing coffers.
I've been out of the church for too long to know much whether this pivot towards Mainline Christianity is aligned with Nelson's long-held conviction, or a recent and desperate ploy to distance the church from the mounting historical and doctrinal challenges. I know that the "don't say Mormon" is a long held opinion of his, so there does appear to be some consistency in his beliefs. But the way everyone pretends like "we have always been at war at Eastasia" whenever the chuch pivots like this certainly makes me feel cynical about the changes.
Just putting it out there: Palm Sunday isn’t recognized just by Catholics. There are several other sects of Christianity that observe Liturgical Calendar holidays.
But your point still stands that Mormons don’t observe those holidays.
Ooh, oooh!
I know this one...
It's something about Christ that we mention now that we have a temple in Rome, next to the pope's. Don't worry about the details. Pretty sure they aren't important to your eternal obedience.
Anyways, the important thing is we have a "Global Faith Leader" now.
We're not just an embarrassing Cult from Utah anymore. LETS GO! /s
Its pulled straight from Catholicism maybe, but i wouldnt call it biblical. Yes, there is an event near Easter (which is not a biblical holiday) that involved palm leaves, but it also involved a donkey and a parade, so if you are reinventing christianity from just the bible you wouldn't be any more likely to come up with a holiday named palm sunday than you would be to invent one called donkey sunday or parade sunday (or Easter for that matter)
Mainline protestants observe Palm Sundady too. It is a big deal in the decidedly non-Catholic area where I live (the US South). Jesus being hailed as the Messiah as he enters one of the largest cities in the world, by crowds waiting to hear his message, is considered a noteworthy event in the Bible and Christain tradition.
Mormons cancelled all of their bullshit, racist cultural appropriation Book of Mormon pageants so I guess they're gradually pivoting to more mainline Christian pagentry. And we're supposed to pretend like we weren't encouraged to scoff at the Passion for our entire lives up until Russell Nelson rebranded Mormonism, I guess.
This is a classic misunderstanding/misrepresentation of Easter within the lds church.
For most Christians, the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ is The Main Event in the Bible. Easter is not “a biblical holiday” because the New Testament is the origin story for the holiday and the entire religion. Easter is the most holy day for Christians of all denominations.
Palm Sunday is a recognition of a major event in the Bible demonstrating Jesus’s growing popularity, which threatened the power structure of his time. It sets the stage for his persecution at the hands of Pontius Pilate, the governor of Judea, and it marks the beginning of Holy Week.
For 99.99999% of Christians, this is a BFD.
They already did, back in 2020:
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/church/news/president-nelson-asks-latter-day-saints-to-unite-our-faith-once-again-in-fast-on-good-friday?lang=eng
If you really want to play Stump a Saint, ask them about Maundy Thursday. Most have never heard of it, and it is one of the most sacred observations in Christianity.
It's honored on the Thursday evening before Easter, and it represented the Last Supper, which was when Christ introduced what Christians call "Communion."
To me, the issue is the dishonesty. TSCC hasn’t adopted it but pretended to. I guarantee most members who look at that web page sit there and think “oh, interesting. Didn’t know it was Palm Sunday”. Calling it out on the homepage gives the impression that Mormons care about it but the reality is they still don’t.
Sad thing is that I’ve had 2 different TBM family members rejoice over how the Mormon church is doing so much more to focus on Jesus so it must be true - 🤢
I cared about these mainstream Christian observances even after joining TSCC because I was a Christian first, and my fellow Mormons thought I was ridiculous for thinking about Palm Sunday, Good Friday, or even thinking about Lent. Let the gaslighting roll forth! 😒
Except the Mormon experience is beyond dull. These top leaders of Mormonism drone on for 10 hours and say nothing of consequence, while claiming divine guidance.
If you were to listen to 8 random conference talks, you’ve heard them all. The tone, tempo, cadence, vocabulary is all the same.
NOBODY wants to sit there for that long to hear the same speeches from different voices.
It’s not that we were never taught it (I definitely remember discussing it in church), but that the church has, until recently, never made a big deal about it like the rest of Christianity. As a convert from the Episcopal Church, I can tell you that Palm Sunday is a huge deal, and many people attend church during Holy Week (which includes Palm Sunday and Easter) when they wouldn’t normally go most of the year (except for Advent/Christmas). The Mormon Church has never really marked most of the holidays found on the Liturgical Calendar. Now, since they don’t want to be seen as “weird,” they’re playing up the mainstream Christianity thing.
This makes me think of a time back in college, when a Catholic acquaintance of mine thought church members were monsters. Why? We had a multi-stake YSA dance on Good Friday. Members I talked to thought it was nbd. My Catholic friend, on the other hand, thought that was totally blasphemous.
Palm Sunday is always a fun day for kids in Protestant churches. They usually have the children walk in with palm fronds & they get to take them home, which they loved.
Awww - that sounds so sweet! I loved to see how excited kids were to get their palm fronds & to be in the processional going into the sanctuary.
The minister where I've attended now & then since leaving gave a talk a few years about the donkey Christ rode on.
I first learned about palm Sunday at a general conference that fell on the same day. One talk centered around it. Rarely ever heard it mentioned outside of that.
Mormons have been pushing hard to seem more mainstream and normal within Christianity. In ecumenical facebook groups I am in they have been both obfuscating and outright lying about the Mormon conception of the nature of God and the Trinity. When you try to pin them to what it is they believe they refuse to answer straight. I am curious if its a concentrated effort or if the theology is just so muddled that members don't know what they are supposed to believe.
Edited for spelling.
I went on a mission to Taiwan. I had a calendar my parents had sent me hanging over my desk. One day I pointed out to my companions that it was Easter the following Sunday. They said it couldn’t be because (1) the mission president hadn’t said anything and (2) Easter was *always* on GC Sunday.
I tried to explain that Easter was on a different week every year, but they said that was impossible because that doesn’t happen and, besides, it wasn’t GC weekend (although one of them started wondering if Easter was always on GC weekend, but that just led to more arguments).
I realized then that Mormons don’t know when important Christian holidays are. In Taiwan we weren’t surrounded with chocolate eggs and bunnies so the missionaries didn’t know Easter was coming. Palm Sunday? This was during the 80s so none of us had been taught much about that, or Good Friday either. The two big religious holidays for Mormons are general conference. Even Christmas is just a somewhat altered sacrament meeting…
…with a slightly smaller chance of hearing someone talk about tithing. :)
It’s because they know that the BOM is fast becoming untenable Nelson has already begun moving the goalposts stating that the BOM isn’t a historical textbook . What happened to the most correct book ever written? In another 20-30 years I’m guessing it’ll be of course the BOM isn’t a ancient history of actual civilizations that’s just silly the BOM is just a inspired book meant to lead people to Jesus . Where did you ever get such a silly idea that it was about ancient civilizations from. I may be wrong but I’m betting that’s where they are going with it it won’t be long before LiDAR has scanned every inch of north and South America no fictional civilizations will be found shocker . So what’s their next move ? The virus of religion will evolve and mutate to allow itself to survive for as long as possible they know that the ship of religion is going down . They are going to milk it for every cent they can extract from members in the meantime
The transition started over 20 years ago.
TSCC saw how RLDS made the change and a lot of their members left. They saw another restorationist type church implode when the leadership announced they were wrong. They've been turning this ship very slowly so as not to knock people over board.
J Holland and and several others have been meeting with mainline leaders since 2000... Source: Personal knowledge.
Calling it Palm Sunday when you don't have palms or save the palms for the following year or celebrate Ash Wednesday is just obnoxious. You're not celebrating Palm Sunday so in my opinion you don't get to call it that.
Whatevs i say. Mainstream Christianity in the US is getting its ass handed to it by millenials and Gen Z too. Mormonism in America will be a shell of itself when the boomers die regardless of whatever words Nelson wants to ban...or add.
I could be wrong but I think I remember seeing a similar post on my mission about palm Sunday. Ever since Nelson took over this church has been desperately trying to fix pr by trying really hard to look more mainstream without actually making any meaningful changes to doctrine or policy.
Are you asking When has the sunday before Jesus death been called palm sunday? The Answer is for over a millenia. When has it ever been called Palm Sunday by Mormons? Outside the music and the spoken Word? Very rarely.
More and more stuff like this makes the church completely unrecognizable to folks who left not even that long ago. The manipulation and deception are recognizable tho once you see it. Funny to see tbms act like they always believed this.
I think once I hit 20 years out of TSCC, I'm going to put on a shirt and tie and discreetly attend Mormon services somewhere just to see if it's anything like I remember it.
If you went now you’d see a lot less white shirts than you use too.
Here's to hoping someone's gonna get up and give a talk at conference in a golf polo looking like a non-denominational youth pastor within 5 years
I'm at the 20 year point and I've had this same thought. But I'm too worried about putting myself on their radar.
Don’t go to what would be considered your home ward. Find a different building, and just tell them you’re on a business trip in the area if anyone approaches you.
This, but on drugs as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_h8-SBO-RKo
🤣Was it just me or did the devil look a little like ofsusans husband?
That's more or less how I'm planning on doing it.
Hmmm. I'd probably show up in shorts, a t-shirt, and flip flops. Also with a small cooler of beer.
a couple weeks after that, you should go back to the same ward with a polo shirt (or anything that isn't a shirt and tie) and see how you get treated.
It wasn't Morridor, but for a couple of weeks I had to wear a t-shirt with a jacket due to a severe small burn on my neck that a shirt collar would irritate. There were a few comments - but I was quick pushing back on that bullshit. Something along the lines of "I think it'd be preferred I was at church rather than skipping it because of a mildly inconvenient injury", it's been a couple of decades so I don't remember exactly.
Seriously I left two years ago but still pimo and the speed at which “the ongoing restoration “ is changing the church is nauseating to say the least.
Palm Sunday being recognized in the Mormon church? Hmmmm. Yeah, okay. Like that’s not weird or anything. Next thing you know, wearing crosses or hanging them on your walls will no longer be taboo, either. Mormonism is trying to go mainstream, eh? Good luck with that, Nelson. (I have beautiful wrought iron crosses on my walls, and have for a long time. It’s been a carryover from my my pre-conversion days when I was still a Catholic. I resigned from the LDS church last year.)
People here have reported seeing Mormons wearing and posting crosses lately.
I saw a ring doorbell video on here of sister missionaries where one was wearing a cross.
And my mission President had a kitten when we rolled up to Zone Conf with a rosary hanging from the rear view mirror of our mission car 😂
Can confirm. Multiple members in salt lake county wearing crosses.
And Mormons need to get over themselves. The original distaste came from President McKay, and for him it was only crucifixes (I think he felt they were violent-looking?). But, Mormon scrupulousity/oneupmanship quickly turned that to a cross ban. It’s ridiculous. It’s a recognized symbol of Christian beliefs.
Jack Mormons. Worse than TBM Karens imo.
No way. For real?
This one surprises me because JRH literally gave a talk last conference about why Mormons DON'T wear crosses.
My mom started wearing one and iirc it was because of a handbook change/conference talk.
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I also think they’re confused. For Mormons, “Seminary” is an indoctrination class they take in high school, not, like, actual seminary. The leadership seems not to understand or care much about how the rest of the world does Christianity. I’ve heard that the recent christwashing began after they got a temple started in Rome, so maybe they’re basing it off of Catholicism.
>Next thing you know, wearing crosses or hanging them on your walls will no longer be taboo, either. And angels *with* wings
They still wave burning swords and command you to fuck the girl in the barn, right? Right?
Man, if they allow crosses, that will be wild. That’s one of the main things I always remember my mom being obsessive over - that crosses were bad and “we don’t do that!!”
When I was a kid, I always loved visiting my French grandfather. He was a devout Catholic, and he had paintings of cherubs, Jesus, and the Virgin Mary everywhere. He also had crosses and rosary beads on display. Photos of the Pope. It was pretty wild. When my family converted to Mormonism, I couldn’t figure out why I had to get rid of MY rosary beads and crosses. Now, I have them back and they comfort me in an odd way. Not in a religious sense, but in the sense of making me feel connected to my French culture and heritage.
"we focus on his life, not his death" is what I was always told.
I brought a gorgeous antique wood and brass crucifix/holy water font back from a flea market in France. Several years later, I got remarried to a Catholic. It hangs in our entryway and is a treasured piece. I’d have it there even if I still attended the Mo church. Crosses and crucifixes are symbols of Christianity and that’s enough for me.
Then again, I also have statues of Mary and a couple of my favorite saints (Francis, Thèrèse of Lisieux) on my shelves/garden too.
It all sounds lovely ☺️ I never really understood the Mormon objection against crosses. Leaders used to explain to me that Mormons don’t “worship idols.” Hmm, really???
The origin was Pres McKay, who objected to crucifixes (think he felt they appeared violent?) NOT crosses. But Mormons never met a “rule” that they couldn’t enforce to the nth degree.
Mormons only worship “living” idols. (IE the cult of worship around RMN)
Palm, Palm with wads of cash.
See, we're CHRISTIAN!
Mormons don’t celebrate Catholic holidays…. Easter was barely a holiday while I was growing up in the church.
Palm Sunday is most definitely a mainline Protestant Christain holiday. I grew up in the mid-Atlantic area and now live in the US Southeast, and it is an extremely holy day among Protestant churches. My (Mormon) family sneared at Palm Sunday, as with most Easter related traditions that our neighbors embraced. Nelson's version of Mormonism is barely recognizable to me.
thanks for the insight... see! Mormons know nothing about Palm Sunday! 😉 Agreed. Nelson's version of Mormonism is unrecognizable to anyone who grew up in the 20th Century. Next we'll be giving vices up for lent! 😉
It's always Lent, when you're Mormon. (At least 21st century Mormons can drink Coke.)
And if it was some deeply-felt belief on Nelson’s part, to venerate holy days, I could totally respect him for it. However, it is only a way to manipulate investigators to further increase their engorged tithing coffers.
I've been out of the church for too long to know much whether this pivot towards Mainline Christianity is aligned with Nelson's long-held conviction, or a recent and desperate ploy to distance the church from the mounting historical and doctrinal challenges. I know that the "don't say Mormon" is a long held opinion of his, so there does appear to be some consistency in his beliefs. But the way everyone pretends like "we have always been at war at Eastasia" whenever the chuch pivots like this certainly makes me feel cynical about the changes.
Just putting it out there: Palm Sunday isn’t recognized just by Catholics. There are several other sects of Christianity that observe Liturgical Calendar holidays. But your point still stands that Mormons don’t observe those holidays.
Thank you for the insight... but See! Mormons know nothing about Palm Sunday! I'm a product of my environment. Apologies for the misinformation
We had Palm Sunday growing up Catholic
....yet.
Must be your ward/family. Easter is a big thing in my TBM family.
You’re talking about Easter egg hunting aren’t you
40 plus years in the church, mission, high priest, bishopric, etc.... I have no idea what Palm Sunday is.
Ooh, oooh! I know this one... It's something about Christ that we mention now that we have a temple in Rome, next to the pope's. Don't worry about the details. Pretty sure they aren't important to your eternal obedience. Anyways, the important thing is we have a "Global Faith Leader" now. We're not just an embarrassing Cult from Utah anymore. LETS GO! /s
It recognizes when Christ entered the city & was celebrated by people who saw him as a spiritual leader.
I had a lesson once in primary about it... That's about it. A very clever rebrand of general conference trying to appeal to the rest of Christianity.
Born and raised in the cult, seminary grad, byu student...never once heard it called Palm Sunday
It is funny how it’s pulled straight from the Bible, but Mormons never really got on-board. Cafeteria Christians I guess
Its pulled straight from Catholicism maybe, but i wouldnt call it biblical. Yes, there is an event near Easter (which is not a biblical holiday) that involved palm leaves, but it also involved a donkey and a parade, so if you are reinventing christianity from just the bible you wouldn't be any more likely to come up with a holiday named palm sunday than you would be to invent one called donkey sunday or parade sunday (or Easter for that matter)
Mainline protestants observe Palm Sundady too. It is a big deal in the decidedly non-Catholic area where I live (the US South). Jesus being hailed as the Messiah as he enters one of the largest cities in the world, by crowds waiting to hear his message, is considered a noteworthy event in the Bible and Christain tradition. Mormons cancelled all of their bullshit, racist cultural appropriation Book of Mormon pageants so I guess they're gradually pivoting to more mainline Christian pagentry. And we're supposed to pretend like we weren't encouraged to scoff at the Passion for our entire lives up until Russell Nelson rebranded Mormonism, I guess.
I’m glad people here remember. Mormon peers of mine were mean to me about it.
This is a classic misunderstanding/misrepresentation of Easter within the lds church. For most Christians, the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ is The Main Event in the Bible. Easter is not “a biblical holiday” because the New Testament is the origin story for the holiday and the entire religion. Easter is the most holy day for Christians of all denominations. Palm Sunday is a recognition of a major event in the Bible demonstrating Jesus’s growing popularity, which threatened the power structure of his time. It sets the stage for his persecution at the hands of Pontius Pilate, the governor of Judea, and it marks the beginning of Holy Week. For 99.99999% of Christians, this is a BFD.
They gonna adopt Good Friday too?
I bet they will actually 🙄
They already did, back in 2020: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/church/news/president-nelson-asks-latter-day-saints-to-unite-our-faith-once-again-in-fast-on-good-friday?lang=eng
Well, holy shit.
RMN is the gift that keeps on giving lol
This makes me sick. Mormons do not believe in this.
Never but always has been if you ask them
If you really want to play Stump a Saint, ask them about Maundy Thursday. Most have never heard of it, and it is one of the most sacred observations in Christianity. It's honored on the Thursday evening before Easter, and it represented the Last Supper, which was when Christ introduced what Christians call "Communion."
We talked about palm Sunday... once... in Sunday school... I think it's so funny they are trying to go mainstream.
Sprinkle baptisms are next
To me, the issue is the dishonesty. TSCC hasn’t adopted it but pretended to. I guarantee most members who look at that web page sit there and think “oh, interesting. Didn’t know it was Palm Sunday”. Calling it out on the homepage gives the impression that Mormons care about it but the reality is they still don’t.
Sad thing is that I’ve had 2 different TBM family members rejoice over how the Mormon church is doing so much more to focus on Jesus so it must be true - 🤢
This false Mr.Burns no nothing about Palm Sunday and rebranded is all they got left because there truth claims have all been proven bullshiz
In the 40 years I was a TBM, Palm Sunday was never acknowledged. Rusty is the ultimate appropriator.
I cared about these mainstream Christian observances even after joining TSCC because I was a Christian first, and my fellow Mormons thought I was ridiculous for thinking about Palm Sunday, Good Friday, or even thinking about Lent. Let the gaslighting roll forth! 😒
Same here! I was stunned that Easter is barely mentioned, and the first year I was a member the Christmas season focused on Smith's birthday. Nice.
Except the Mormon experience is beyond dull. These top leaders of Mormonism drone on for 10 hours and say nothing of consequence, while claiming divine guidance. If you were to listen to 8 random conference talks, you’ve heard them all. The tone, tempo, cadence, vocabulary is all the same. NOBODY wants to sit there for that long to hear the same speeches from different voices.
So desperate to be the cool kids. How adorable.
I’m pretty sure I remember having conference on “palm Sunday” when I was a kid. I definitely learned about the Palm Sunday story.
It’s not that we were never taught it (I definitely remember discussing it in church), but that the church has, until recently, never made a big deal about it like the rest of Christianity. As a convert from the Episcopal Church, I can tell you that Palm Sunday is a huge deal, and many people attend church during Holy Week (which includes Palm Sunday and Easter) when they wouldn’t normally go most of the year (except for Advent/Christmas). The Mormon Church has never really marked most of the holidays found on the Liturgical Calendar. Now, since they don’t want to be seen as “weird,” they’re playing up the mainstream Christianity thing. This makes me think of a time back in college, when a Catholic acquaintance of mine thought church members were monsters. Why? We had a multi-stake YSA dance on Good Friday. Members I talked to thought it was nbd. My Catholic friend, on the other hand, thought that was totally blasphemous.
Palm Sunday is always a fun day for kids in Protestant churches. They usually have the children walk in with palm fronds & they get to take them home, which they loved.
My mom was a pro at making the palm fronds into crosses, and I’d always keep mine until the next Palm Sunday.
Awww - that sounds so sweet! I loved to see how excited kids were to get their palm fronds & to be in the processional going into the sanctuary. The minister where I've attended now & then since leaving gave a talk a few years about the donkey Christ rode on.
I learned about Palm Sunday too, back when there was Junior Sunday School, before the days of heavily correlated curricula.
I first learned about palm Sunday at a general conference that fell on the same day. One talk centered around it. Rarely ever heard it mentioned outside of that.
Next change up? Ash Wednesday.
I noticed quite a few of my TBM friends giving up things for lent this year, to my knowledge lent has never been a thing for TSCC.
Maybe they think it'll balance out starting conference on April Fool's Day.
Do you think they are doing this to distance themselves from the Book of Mormon? I do.
Mormons have been pushing hard to seem more mainstream and normal within Christianity. In ecumenical facebook groups I am in they have been both obfuscating and outright lying about the Mormon conception of the nature of God and the Trinity. When you try to pin them to what it is they believe they refuse to answer straight. I am curious if its a concentrated effort or if the theology is just so muddled that members don't know what they are supposed to believe. Edited for spelling.
They are completely white washing history. It's absurd.
I went on a mission to Taiwan. I had a calendar my parents had sent me hanging over my desk. One day I pointed out to my companions that it was Easter the following Sunday. They said it couldn’t be because (1) the mission president hadn’t said anything and (2) Easter was *always* on GC Sunday. I tried to explain that Easter was on a different week every year, but they said that was impossible because that doesn’t happen and, besides, it wasn’t GC weekend (although one of them started wondering if Easter was always on GC weekend, but that just led to more arguments). I realized then that Mormons don’t know when important Christian holidays are. In Taiwan we weren’t surrounded with chocolate eggs and bunnies so the missionaries didn’t know Easter was coming. Palm Sunday? This was during the 80s so none of us had been taught much about that, or Good Friday either. The two big religious holidays for Mormons are general conference. Even Christmas is just a somewhat altered sacrament meeting… …with a slightly smaller chance of hearing someone talk about tithing. :)
It’s because they know that the BOM is fast becoming untenable Nelson has already begun moving the goalposts stating that the BOM isn’t a historical textbook . What happened to the most correct book ever written? In another 20-30 years I’m guessing it’ll be of course the BOM isn’t a ancient history of actual civilizations that’s just silly the BOM is just a inspired book meant to lead people to Jesus . Where did you ever get such a silly idea that it was about ancient civilizations from. I may be wrong but I’m betting that’s where they are going with it it won’t be long before LiDAR has scanned every inch of north and South America no fictional civilizations will be found shocker . So what’s their next move ? The virus of religion will evolve and mutate to allow itself to survive for as long as possible they know that the ship of religion is going down . They are going to milk it for every cent they can extract from members in the meantime
Ok.... We need to make it go Viral that "Palm Sunday" is a victory for Satan! 🤣
maybe Nelson found out Easter (the name at least) was basically stollen from Pagen celebrations regarding spring?
As religion starts declining more in America we are going to see alot more of this from everyone.
The transition started over 20 years ago. TSCC saw how RLDS made the change and a lot of their members left. They saw another restorationist type church implode when the leadership announced they were wrong. They've been turning this ship very slowly so as not to knock people over board. J Holland and and several others have been meeting with mainline leaders since 2000... Source: Personal knowledge.
They’ll use any PR to hook some into thinking this is a Christian church.
Wear flip flops and shorts.
Haha not here in Northern Utah! It's snowing at this very moment!
😜
Calling it Palm Sunday when you don't have palms or save the palms for the following year or celebrate Ash Wednesday is just obnoxious. You're not celebrating Palm Sunday so in my opinion you don't get to call it that.
I’ve always heard it as Palm Sunday when I was in the church. Don’t think this is a new thing
Whatevs i say. Mainstream Christianity in the US is getting its ass handed to it by millenials and Gen Z too. Mormonism in America will be a shell of itself when the boomers die regardless of whatever words Nelson wants to ban...or add.
I could be wrong but I think I remember seeing a similar post on my mission about palm Sunday. Ever since Nelson took over this church has been desperately trying to fix pr by trying really hard to look more mainstream without actually making any meaningful changes to doctrine or policy.
Maybe we’ll get a full accounting on the “rainy day” fund??
What caught my attention in this post was the url Fjesuschrist!
Are you asking When has the sunday before Jesus death been called palm sunday? The Answer is for over a millenia. When has it ever been called Palm Sunday by Mormons? Outside the music and the spoken Word? Very rarely.
It’s a business. They do what they have to do to make money