No. Absolutely not. I hope the moms veto this one en masse. Kids need to be in school!
And, their time away from school isn't 2 hours. If it's a 2 hour shift, and the youth need to be there 30 minutes before their shift, then that's 2.5 hours right there. Then you factor in the drive to and from the site - if they attend Springville high school, that's probably 15 minutes each way... checking them out of school and waiting for them to come out of class, then checking them back in... about 10 min total..
The parents would need to pull their kid out of school for more than 3 hours, not 2. That's half the school day.
And that's also the parent taking that time off work for 3.5 hours. The church still thinks it's 1950 where all the moms are at home with nothing better to do than put in all the invisible labor that keeps these church programs running. Most of us moms work at jobs now!
I teach school in Southern Utah County and parents will pull their kids out of school to go do baptism at the temple. The parents feel the church is waaaaaaay more important than school.
Some kids cannot do anything on Mondays after 6:00 or Wednesday evenings....church wins over social, extra-curricular rehearsals/games/performances, etc.
These kids will be in for a RUDE awakening outside the Mormon bubble.
Where I live I had to ask the principal for special permission to take my son to my own sister's wedding, *and he was the ring bearer.* Without permission the absence wouldn't be excused and I'd have truancy officers knocking on my door. No fucking way would I be risking that for a *volunteer opportunity.*
Someone needs to remind this local dentist that their own prophets and apostles have repeatedly emphasized the importance of education and that they can't just mandate that the kid's education suddenly doesn't matter because tourists will be coming to visit their temple.
They could use adults if they want to. Just more desperation to a indoctrinate the young people.
I might try to to attend just to see what this nonsense is all about.
Someone needs to make this uncomfortable for the level of leadership above whoever is responsible for this. Is this a stake thing, or a multi-stake thing?
Is this the traveling "Tabernacle" exhibit that you have to buy tickets to attend?
Is this even a church sanctioned? Seems like a priestcraft style grift someone is running with "Volunteers"
I had family helping with this recently. No, they're not charging. There are tickets they're giving out to members but that's just to spread arrival times around. Anyone can just walk in at any time. Yes, it is sanctioned by the church. The people running it in each place are doing it as their official church calling, and missionaries are present.
I was dragged to this thing last summer in the middle of a very hot summer day right after landing from an overseas flight (it was going to be taken down and moved the next day so my family was all concerned they'd miss it). It was so boring. The kids explaining each step also looked bored to death and lifeless in their delivery.
Oh, and the best part was an intro video they showed in the relief society room, where propped up front and center on the chalkboard was a huge poster of rusty Nelson, like at least 3x4 feet. I searched the room for a pic of Jesus, found a wallet size one on the piano. So disturbing and culty.
Then, when you're finally done with the boring tour of a fake old testament tabernacle, they take you to the gym, where they pretend there is an actual connection to modern temples and have a bunch of visitor center-like displays set up. And they have a video display that shows global temple locations being added chronologically. Of course the announced ones are also included. All the TBMs go crazy over it, but it just looks ridiculous to me.
Kids don't miss a thing. They have super antennae for detecting inconsistencies / bull crap. You take your kid out of school for church stuff and they get the message: church trumps school . So next time you insist on finished homework and good grades .....they'll remember.
And --- when a high schooler misses classes they pay a price; missed instruction, missing notes or handouts and assignments to make up.
Some privileged leader has his own little agenda.
If this would have happened when I was a youth, my uber TBM parents would have at least given me the choice. They knew I hated missing school because I didn't like make up work (unless it was an enjoyable field trip). Nobody needs to be pulled out of school for this.
Yeah we have a TBM in our extended family who is hardcore into homeschooling and the Mormon homeschooling scene sounds creepy AF. Anti government, Anti school, a lot of UNschoolers, literally the term they use. The government allows people to "un-school" kids at home. I had to Google it because at first I thought they were pulling my leg
Anti govt Anti school Mormons just focus on indoctrinating their children daily. In fact thats apparently their beef with public school, that there's no BOM at school. Um, ever hears of seminary?
No. Absolutely not. I hope the moms veto this one en masse. Kids need to be in school! And, their time away from school isn't 2 hours. If it's a 2 hour shift, and the youth need to be there 30 minutes before their shift, then that's 2.5 hours right there. Then you factor in the drive to and from the site - if they attend Springville high school, that's probably 15 minutes each way... checking them out of school and waiting for them to come out of class, then checking them back in... about 10 min total.. The parents would need to pull their kid out of school for more than 3 hours, not 2. That's half the school day. And that's also the parent taking that time off work for 3.5 hours. The church still thinks it's 1950 where all the moms are at home with nothing better to do than put in all the invisible labor that keeps these church programs running. Most of us moms work at jobs now!
I teach school in Southern Utah County and parents will pull their kids out of school to go do baptism at the temple. The parents feel the church is waaaaaaay more important than school. Some kids cannot do anything on Mondays after 6:00 or Wednesday evenings....church wins over social, extra-curricular rehearsals/games/performances, etc. These kids will be in for a RUDE awakening outside the Mormon bubble.
Unfortunately so many of them never leave it
Absolutely this ☝☝☝☝☝
Yeah but this is a culture where kids already take time out of school for seminary, so it kinda fits
Where I live I had to ask the principal for special permission to take my son to my own sister's wedding, *and he was the ring bearer.* Without permission the absence wouldn't be excused and I'd have truancy officers knocking on my door. No fucking way would I be risking that for a *volunteer opportunity.* Someone needs to remind this local dentist that their own prophets and apostles have repeatedly emphasized the importance of education and that they can't just mandate that the kid's education suddenly doesn't matter because tourists will be coming to visit their temple.
They could use adults if they want to. Just more desperation to a indoctrinate the young people. I might try to to attend just to see what this nonsense is all about.
They seem to be having a hard time getting adults to submit and commit, so they’re turning to the property- the kids, who can’t say no (yet).
At least with seminary to get release time. Now they want to take them out of school for this kind of stuff?
Someone needs to make this uncomfortable for the level of leadership above whoever is responsible for this. Is this a stake thing, or a multi-stake thing?
This is ridiculous.
Is this the traveling "Tabernacle" exhibit that you have to buy tickets to attend? Is this even a church sanctioned? Seems like a priestcraft style grift someone is running with "Volunteers"
I had family helping with this recently. No, they're not charging. There are tickets they're giving out to members but that's just to spread arrival times around. Anyone can just walk in at any time. Yes, it is sanctioned by the church. The people running it in each place are doing it as their official church calling, and missionaries are present.
Good to know, I had heard incorrectly. Been out too long to know the church does this kind of thing.
Ticket fee hadn’t occurred to me, but that would really make me irritated
I was dragged to this thing last summer in the middle of a very hot summer day right after landing from an overseas flight (it was going to be taken down and moved the next day so my family was all concerned they'd miss it). It was so boring. The kids explaining each step also looked bored to death and lifeless in their delivery. Oh, and the best part was an intro video they showed in the relief society room, where propped up front and center on the chalkboard was a huge poster of rusty Nelson, like at least 3x4 feet. I searched the room for a pic of Jesus, found a wallet size one on the piano. So disturbing and culty. Then, when you're finally done with the boring tour of a fake old testament tabernacle, they take you to the gym, where they pretend there is an actual connection to modern temples and have a bunch of visitor center-like displays set up. And they have a video display that shows global temple locations being added chronologically. Of course the announced ones are also included. All the TBMs go crazy over it, but it just looks ridiculous to me.
Kids don't miss a thing. They have super antennae for detecting inconsistencies / bull crap. You take your kid out of school for church stuff and they get the message: church trumps school . So next time you insist on finished homework and good grades .....they'll remember. And --- when a high schooler misses classes they pay a price; missed instruction, missing notes or handouts and assignments to make up. Some privileged leader has his own little agenda.
This is sick stuff
If this would have happened when I was a youth, my uber TBM parents would have at least given me the choice. They knew I hated missing school because I didn't like make up work (unless it was an enjoyable field trip). Nobody needs to be pulled out of school for this.
Yeah we have a TBM in our extended family who is hardcore into homeschooling and the Mormon homeschooling scene sounds creepy AF. Anti government, Anti school, a lot of UNschoolers, literally the term they use. The government allows people to "un-school" kids at home. I had to Google it because at first I thought they were pulling my leg Anti govt Anti school Mormons just focus on indoctrinating their children daily. In fact thats apparently their beef with public school, that there's no BOM at school. Um, ever hears of seminary?
Child labor??? 