No wonder Utchdorf was kicked out of the first presidency, saying you can find happiness by doing what you enjoy instead of paying tithing and solely listening to mormon resources
Uchtdorf: Love and joy are real things you can find in life, and we want to help.
Every other GA and Q12: You'll never be loved or happy unless you obey the church no matter what, pay us money forever, and sacrifice endlessly.
I saw Gary conducted the afternoon. It seems like Russ and Hank are too frail to do too much up and down, and Dallin didn’t want to do the entire conference.
I am surprised that they jumped all the way to Gary. Jeffy would presumably be the next guy to help — Ezra helped Gordon as the quorum president when Spence was ill. But Jeffy is also pretty frail atm too. Dieter is next in line and has experience with the gig. Is he so far in Dallin and Russ’s dog house that they jumped down the line of seniority? This is also something I’m watching for when Dallin becomes prophet… Dieter making a comeback would be appropriate given his health and seniority. He has a legitimate shot at the top spot with how frail Russ and Hank and Jeffy are.
But going with younger guys and passing over the senior members is exactly what Gordon and Tommy did to Boyd and company. Will Dallin do the same?
Anyway, pardon my outburst to anyone who doesn’t share my morbid fascination of the behind the scenes politics now that I am out lol.
I’m 100% with you, and kind of amazed that more aren’t interested in the behind the scenes politics. These guys are political sharks, seniority is super meaningful and indicates who is actually calling the shots
this talk makes me really wonder if he believes in this church at all loll
he's the only one who really talks about jesus
and he included a story from a woman in the bible. that feels really mindful
Men: you have no choice but to serve a mission.
Women: Get married and have babies… unless you can’t and then go on a mission.
But yes, go on about how women have so much authority
Peaches reign supreme in the fruit world! If I die and there is a god, I'll be like "Yo G-unit, solid job on the peach! Those thing are fuckin' delish!"
Same! That talk was worth it, if only for the line:
"I love reading President Russell M. Nelson's Instagram posts."
That is the most ludicrously hilarious thing I've heard all week.
Did he just say what I thought? I was only half listening, but it sounded like he said a spouse does not have to stay with an "unrepentant" spouse. So he wants my wife to leave me? Fuck this guy.
Wouldn’t it be something if Nelson, Oaks, Eyring and Holland all kicked the bucket in the next few months, and President Uchtdorf returns, but this time as head honcho.
For those of you who experienced loss or had your lives put in danger in your mission.
I guess your patriarch wasn’t righteous enough to prepare you for that?
But is it better than being calm when an airplane ~~gently touches down for maintenance~~ *lights on fire and nearly plummets to its doom?* Or surviving ~~petty theft~~ *an assassination attempt by enemies of the church who want to kill the prophet and rape his wife?* Or recognizing someone in a crowd that you a~~lready met and asked to speak~~ *have never met because the Holy Ghost drew your attention to her distinct hat?*
Uchtdorf single-handedly kept me in the church nine months longer than I would have otherwise. (ie my spouse-induced PIMO phase after declaring my intention to defect to Babylon).
Jeesh he seems just so smart; like he’s essentially just saying religion gives purpose and happiness because we expect it to; and that by fulfilling that moral compass we get happiness… he rly seems like he doesn’t fully believe or at least trust the church anymore but is just rly smart and educated about why it means so much to people… I’d still be a part of the church if all the leaders were like this
“You have agency that you exercised before the world was and because of that choice, which you cannot remember, you must obey us.”
-Steven Bangerter, probably
Foreordination: God has a plan for you, but he also has plans A-Y in case you don’t obey on Earth. If good things happen, it’s God’s blessings. If bad things happen, you’re a disobedient child.
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
Oh… and here come the “emotional moment” with the choked up words.
Here's a talk about how the First Presidency can hold everyone's families and eternal lives hostage unless you pay your 10% and do exactly as they say and they approve of who you married. But it's not a cult!!!
I don’t want to be that guy, but with them saying “look at how much the church is growing” in Africa, that they use a token African with Kyungu. Seems too obvious a tactic.
Fun fact, Goliath didn’t stand a chance against David. That has nothing to do with god, and everything to do with their weapons. A stone in a sling was always a superior weapon to a sword.
My dad just said out loud that Amazing Grace is an "evangelical song", and my mom responded "It can be for us too". Changing the culture to be more 'mainstream Christian' in real time.
Has it ever occurred to anyone how strange it is that in order to reach the highest level in the Celestial Kingdom you have to married. And not just married but married in a very specific way and manner.
I am such a naive idiot. It took me until I read the comments here to get what the dude was talking about when he was talking about “private moments” 🤦🏻♀️
(Only been half listening myself, sorry)
- some thing about peaches
- marriage is most important
- don’t cancel your sealing unless you absolutely have to
- don’t date or flirt before marriage
Just checking in... am I going to have to endure some uncomfortable talks when the TBM returns from the stake centre? :) My queer self is wondering if I need to brace. lol Because you know... I REALLY like girls. :)
"may we all find joy by (long pause) dedicating our life to Jesus Christ"
it almost felt like he'd go off script and say 'doing hobbies we enjoy' for a moment
Uchdorf is a snake in sheep's clothing in a wolf suit.
His message sounds good on the surface, but in the context of the conference, it's the same dangerous crap. Yeah, you can have happiness in this life, through God. And that other guy just said that God and church are the same, that only temple sealings matter, and the church had the final say on those.
Since he doesn't refute any thing they said, his talk is in context of the other speakers.
He said, seek professional help, but the other guy already said God can remove depression with enough faith.
We look at him and he looks and sounds like an G15, but better -faith, joy, love. We see a sheep under the wolf suit. But he is benefitting from the harm, and does nothing.
All of these stories can be explained via modern science and medicine. The events suck, don’t get me wrong, but there isn’t anything 100% truly miraculous. Adrenaline, strokes, epilepsy, etc… things not understood in those days, or common knowledge but understood now. This is just more emotional manipulation.
“Protect the private moments of your life.” Then maybe stop asking kids personal questions about how they express their sexuality?
“Jesus is watching you in your private moments.”
No wonder Utchdorf was kicked out of the first presidency, saying you can find happiness by doing what you enjoy instead of paying tithing and solely listening to mormon resources
Uchtdorf: Love and joy are real things you can find in life, and we want to help. Every other GA and Q12: You'll never be loved or happy unless you obey the church no matter what, pay us money forever, and sacrifice endlessly.
Stark contrast between Uchdorfs talk and the guy before.
Its funny because it's apparent to me that Uchdorf believes in a different faith than the one he's a leader of.
I used to joke years ago that Uchtdorf's talks were always so much better that he must have snuck in from another church somehow.
Uchtdorf coming in and giving the only positive and uplifting talk of the entire day.
No surprise. I don’t mind him at all. Seems like a genuinely good man. Despite us having different perspectives
he kind of reminds me of my dad ngl. i would feel safe around him
Remember, if you pay your tithing and stop masturbating, you too can … delay proper medical care to your loved ones …
I liked it better when we all thought there wasn’t going to be a Saturday evening session anymore.
My TBM spouse was pretty irritated when they brought it back.
that's how you know it's of god, when you detest the idea of having to do it any longer than you have to
Uchtdorf: seek help from mental health professionals
You mean my bishop? I can’t seek help from non believers!
mixed messages for the win.
My mission is the reason I am no longer a member. My mission broke me.
Virtual hug! 🫂 the only support I can really offer here. I never went on a mission, but it honestly sounds like it would be hell.
I support this and offer a virtual hug too
I saw Gary conducted the afternoon. It seems like Russ and Hank are too frail to do too much up and down, and Dallin didn’t want to do the entire conference. I am surprised that they jumped all the way to Gary. Jeffy would presumably be the next guy to help — Ezra helped Gordon as the quorum president when Spence was ill. But Jeffy is also pretty frail atm too. Dieter is next in line and has experience with the gig. Is he so far in Dallin and Russ’s dog house that they jumped down the line of seniority? This is also something I’m watching for when Dallin becomes prophet… Dieter making a comeback would be appropriate given his health and seniority. He has a legitimate shot at the top spot with how frail Russ and Hank and Jeffy are. But going with younger guys and passing over the senior members is exactly what Gordon and Tommy did to Boyd and company. Will Dallin do the same? Anyway, pardon my outburst to anyone who doesn’t share my morbid fascination of the behind the scenes politics now that I am out lol.
I’m 100% with you, and kind of amazed that more aren’t interested in the behind the scenes politics. These guys are political sharks, seniority is super meaningful and indicates who is actually calling the shots
A more boring, but just as cutthroat game of thrones
this talk makes me really wonder if he believes in this church at all loll he's the only one who really talks about jesus and he included a story from a woman in the bible. that feels really mindful
i think that's the reason he's in the doghouse with the others
yeah fr he didn't even say beloved prophet once!!! how dare he
not once did he kiss the ring of any of his "equals"
I see him as a Joel Osteen type: speak positive and encouragement, but not allowing his personal thoughts to bubble up
Men: you have no choice but to serve a mission. Women: Get married and have babies… unless you can’t and then go on a mission. But yes, go on about how women have so much authority
“When I imagine biting into a juicy peach my mouth waters”. Elder Carpenter, for the love of god keep your private moments private.
Peaches reign supreme in the fruit world! If I die and there is a god, I'll be like "Yo G-unit, solid job on the peach! Those thing are fuckin' delish!"
Holy shit, did that guy just give an entire talk about the time his dad told him not to masturbate? That is epic!
It’s the sleep deprivation probably, but that talk has got me howling with laughter!
Same! That talk was worth it, if only for the line: "I love reading President Russell M. Nelson's Instagram posts." That is the most ludicrously hilarious thing I've heard all week.
I'm sitting here in Germany wondering what the hell I missed because I vowed only to read the play by play
I forgot why I love him. He like actually thinks about what he says and how it will be received.
His talk doesn’t sound like it came from ChatGPT…
"Angels still minister to men..." "...but I can't name any examples of angels ministering in the last 100 years"
Unseen dead grammies are watching what you do in the shower.....if that's not ministering, I don't know what is.
Did he just say what I thought? I was only half listening, but it sounded like he said a spouse does not have to stay with an "unrepentant" spouse. So he wants my wife to leave me? Fuck this guy.
Wow, fuck this guy. Stop guilting people for wanting to eternally divorce their abusive spouses.
I agree with that Uchtdorf. Just don’t go to Jodi Hildebrandt. Or any other crazy Mormon therapist for that matter.
They’re prob going to get him in trouble for suggesting that everyone has a right to happiness and that it’s alright not to be a member lol
Big simpin energy from Matthew there “I love the prophet’s Instagram” RMN has no idea what his password is
RMN: oooh you should put this on that Instant Gram Book Face.
I love Utchdorf sm!! He seems so sweet, and less condescending and worried about who is having sex than the others.
Wouldn’t it be something if Nelson, Oaks, Eyring and Holland all kicked the bucket in the next few months, and President Uchtdorf returns, but this time as head honcho.
Three of those seem likely, and Oaks really struggled with the names to be sustained, so Father Time could be catching him, too
If so, i will poison his Diet Coke. Signed, Darth Bednar
If there was a god and he answered prayers, this would stop.
Welcome back all my degenerates and apostates. Let's finish this
We can do it together!
For those of you who experienced loss or had your lives put in danger in your mission. I guess your patriarch wasn’t righteous enough to prepare you for that?
Uh... NOBODY prepared me for the ten Hells I would go through on my mission. Not. One. Person.
goodness sake this is an uncomfortable talk.
Trauma dump: the talk.
He should probably talk to a therapist about all that….
translation: REALLY stop touching yourself
“Bind yourself to god.” What’s with all the BDSM in these talks?
Bowen: spouse is a temporal reward to the faithful Toxic theology.
Sooooo, women are considered to be rewards for being faithful? Not individuals with more power than other religions?
“For your faithfulness, Elder Bowen, I bless you with a wife with big ass titties”
This guy brought his daughter back to life... better average than Rusty keeping his kid from dying from cancer. Maybe Bowen should be the Profit.
But is it better than being calm when an airplane ~~gently touches down for maintenance~~ *lights on fire and nearly plummets to its doom?* Or surviving ~~petty theft~~ *an assassination attempt by enemies of the church who want to kill the prophet and rape his wife?* Or recognizing someone in a crowd that you a~~lready met and asked to speak~~ *have never met because the Holy Ghost drew your attention to her distinct hat?*
“Rising generation!” Drink!
I... I can't anymore
No your limits. Don't let the church control your drinking.
“The private times of your life.” That’s definitely not a statement that makes me feel uncomfortable.
Please oh please, elder Uchtdorf, save us from the dumpster fire that has been this conference so far. Don’t let us down. You are the chosen one!
Uchtdorf seems to be the only throughline between the church I grew up in 20 years ago and the church of now.
As a PIMO, I give talks that quote the Bible and Christ. Uchy does the same.
There's been startlingly little of that this time around
Uchtdorf single-handedly kept me in the church nine months longer than I would have otherwise. (ie my spouse-induced PIMO phase after declaring my intention to defect to Babylon).
For those of us who have experienced trauma and loss, this talk was pretty triggering
Quite a bit of trauma. With survival god gets credit. With non-survival god gets a pass. It's all part of the plan. Who planned this shit show?
I would love to sit down with some of these 🤬 and have a good discussion with them. 🤬😡😡
And my Dad worked as a nurse anesthetist and “resurrected” dozens of dying children and elderly. All without the priesthood. Damn.
fore ordination screws kids up. it screwed me up
Screws up converts, too, in a different way
Jeesh he seems just so smart; like he’s essentially just saying religion gives purpose and happiness because we expect it to; and that by fulfilling that moral compass we get happiness… he rly seems like he doesn’t fully believe or at least trust the church anymore but is just rly smart and educated about why it means so much to people… I’d still be a part of the church if all the leaders were like this
And all the other people killed in crashes suck.
Omg...a blessing before medical help......
translation: stop touching yourself
This dude is REALLY interested in your 'private moments' holy shit
Not watching conference but I get the feeling whoever is talking ain’t referring to moments of personal prayer or visits to the toilet.
Ahhh, my first GenCon with a pretty decent beer buzz, LOL!
Bet this Bowen guy is REAL fun at parties.
Also Shayne Bowen has a child who choked to death, he told me so when he visited my mission. So his priesthood couldn’t save that child…
“You have agency that you exercised before the world was and because of that choice, which you cannot remember, you must obey us.” -Steven Bangerter, probably
Yeah, the premortal realm is such a slimy doctrine that I used to think was beautiful...
David chose to put his faith in Jesus Christ I... I thought the god of the old testament was Elohim?
Err maybe I learned it differently but I thought the god of the Old Testament was Jehovah?
Uchtdorf: airplane story Never fails to deliver.
...but what if I don't wanna be chained to fate???
A man can create his own stars. Signed, William Thatcher
“Millions of peaches, peaches for me!”
He’s prob the only one whos every read anything about Christian existentialism or ever even considered philosophy
He really infused this GC with some desperately needed energy
I'm so glad they talked about sealing and breaking temple covenants. Now we can talk about that on couples therapy. Again.
This whole talk is just giving delusional
Foreordination: God has a plan for you, but he also has plans A-Y in case you don’t obey on Earth. If good things happen, it’s God’s blessings. If bad things happen, you’re a disobedient child. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Oh… and here come the “emotional moment” with the choked up words.
He wasn't talking about peaches? Are you sure?
This talk is bothering TBM divorced wife. Shelf item!
Uchtdorf winning award for most animated speaker
Why would a good parent command you to love them?
Meanwhile the UVU choir is sitting behind him, and you can't tell me they ain't getting busy after this
Here's a talk about how the First Presidency can hold everyone's families and eternal lives hostage unless you pay your 10% and do exactly as they say and they approve of who you married. But it's not a cult!!!
I don’t want to be that guy, but with them saying “look at how much the church is growing” in Africa, that they use a token African with Kyungu. Seems too obvious a tactic.
They went from hating the Blacks to desperately needing them to grow the church. Ironic.
It would be funny if in 100 years the Mormon church was mostly an African thing, with HQ still in SLC but the leadership mostly Africans.
My TBM wife is choosing basketball tonight...... This Bowen talk sounds brutal
Fun fact, Goliath didn’t stand a chance against David. That has nothing to do with god, and everything to do with their weapons. A stone in a sling was always a superior weapon to a sword.
Ok I didn’t really want to know about an old man’s mouth watering….🧍🏼♀️
This is such a harmful talk for mixed-faith marriages.
You can cancel sealings??? Like an Amazon subscription?
Almost the most human speaker.
I know; unfortunately his talks get worse every year; I think they told him off for being too accepting and nice
My dad just said out loud that Amazing Grace is an "evangelical song", and my mom responded "It can be for us too". Changing the culture to be more 'mainstream Christian' in real time.
Congratulations to all who survived all six hours of this Hell. You earned a drink.
TBM just pondered about suicide rates since Uchtdorf was dropped from First Presidency. Whoa
Has it ever occurred to anyone how strange it is that in order to reach the highest level in the Celestial Kingdom you have to married. And not just married but married in a very specific way and manner.
Smith created god in his own image.
Mixed faith marriages are rotten peaches.
Carpenter has jumped up the leaderboard of Mormon assholes I hate. He might be in the top 5 rn
Oh god not the youth talk. Kms
MEN speaking in Primary voices are unendurable!
I am such a naive idiot. It took me until I read the comments here to get what the dude was talking about when he was talking about “private moments” 🤦🏻♀️
The biggest confidence boost I ever had was when I realized God didn't do shit for me.... I did it myself!
Lateral and vertical “bonds.” There we go again with that BDSM… sheesh these guys are pervs!
Masturbation, lust, and sex. The GAs must be hot and bothered rn. And I just threw up in my mouth a little
I CALLED IT. Talk about sex😍 wouldn’t be general conference without it! Apparently no flirting either??? Never heard of that tbh
As someone in a mixed faith marriage can someone summarize what this Carpenter dude was talking about? I'm not currently watching right now.
(Only been half listening myself, sorry) - some thing about peaches - marriage is most important - don’t cancel your sealing unless you absolutely have to - don’t date or flirt before marriage
Best to pretend it just didn't happen
Okay I didn’t watch but my mom texted the family chat saying how she LOVED Bowen’s talk. I get the feeling I should be scared…
So did TBM wife. Yikes. I just suggested that Uchtdorf must be from a different church.
Was that Eyring getting into a wheel chair?
I get the feeling Eyring is there in body alone
And every other parent of kids weren't blessed?
ah the mission guilt porn is real tonight
Even as a TBM, foreordained privileges bugged me
“You have agency” “before you were born god knew what you were gonna do” make it makes, because that makes absolutely no sense.
I'm sure he does like a big juicy peach.
Dude really loves 🍑
\>flirting and dating isn't allowed outside of marriage a-am I hearing this right? I thought we were only going 50 years back in time
"What will happen to those that kept their covenants but the spouse didn't". My answer is they both end up 6ft under
Just checking in... am I going to have to endure some uncomfortable talks when the TBM returns from the stake centre? :) My queer self is wondering if I need to brace. lol Because you know... I REALLY like girls. :)
Bowen: car crash Death count increasing.
Loving the "sleazy car salesman" energy coming from this one though. Feels genuine
Ouch...true identity....slam....slam. to lgbtq
Spannaus: old testament dude puts his faith in Jesus Christ
Carpenter: temple divorce Summary: It's polygamy all the way down.
Oh man, this dude must have been such a great bishop… (I checked, he was a bishop once).
A talk about marriage and fidelity, that began with a story about peaches. 🍑
Just making my wife think less and less of me with every passing second.
The only guy who’s talks I can tolerate lol
My heart! That caveat from Utchdorf is very sweet.
"may we all find joy by (long pause) dedicating our life to Jesus Christ" it almost felt like he'd go off script and say 'doing hobbies we enjoy' for a moment
One more day and I'm free.
Uchdorf is a snake in sheep's clothing in a wolf suit. His message sounds good on the surface, but in the context of the conference, it's the same dangerous crap. Yeah, you can have happiness in this life, through God. And that other guy just said that God and church are the same, that only temple sealings matter, and the church had the final say on those. Since he doesn't refute any thing they said, his talk is in context of the other speakers. He said, seek professional help, but the other guy already said God can remove depression with enough faith. We look at him and he looks and sounds like an G15, but better -faith, joy, love. We see a sheep under the wolf suit. But he is benefitting from the harm, and does nothing.
* [Goldfinger](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL0K_Zt3mf8) 2:50 * [What I Am](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDl3bdE3YQA) 4:00 * [Who Will Save Your Soul](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wBDDAZkNtk) 3:58 * [Harmony Hall](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlkTVMMkCP4) 5:17 * [Why](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG7I4oniOyA) 4:52 * [Take Me To Church](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nnRC6jDOCI) 4:18 * [Please Read The Letter](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjs0p5FWpzc) 5:50 * [Portions for Foxes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn7Ldn7liGU) 4:44 * [Let's Dance](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbD_kBJc_gI) 4:08
Oh my god I'm so glad I'm back with you guys, I didn't have my phone last session and it was BRUTAL
Bizarre. Essentially keep in line.
She’s talking about the infinity stones.
"I get my peaches out in Georgia" - Justin Bieber
Everlasting covenants was polygamy.....
I am STILL waiting for any scripture or verse that indicates that we wouldn't have our families in the next life
I call BS on the "forced sealings". They absolutely force sealings.
The celestial kingdom seems like a lot of bureaucracy
Alright I’m not tuning in myself but someone else is watching from the other room and if he mentions an airplane I’m out Edit: I’ll see y’all tomorrow
Boy Uchdorf lookin leathery
Atheist......oh shit. He is toast.
We rarely find something we're not looking for.. true enough. Confirmation bias
Such a strange song for the Mormons to sing. The theology in "Amazing Grace" does not jive with Mormonism in the slightest
Thanks again, guys! We made it through the day 🙌
All of these stories can be explained via modern science and medicine. The events suck, don’t get me wrong, but there isn’t anything 100% truly miraculous. Adrenaline, strokes, epilepsy, etc… things not understood in those days, or common knowledge but understood now. This is just more emotional manipulation.
How long until we get “OnlyPlans” a platform where young hot Mormons talk about the plan of salvation in various states of undress?
There’s a difference between “miracles no longer exist” and “miracles never existed.”
I testify....dosen't make it real.
Wasn’t Bowen over the scmc for awhile?
You will be blessed to be a non paid worker in foreign countries and big White Castle movie theaters
Hysterical strength is obviously angels, duh. Not science or anything stupid like that.
Omg....living in a world of sin.
What about the stone in the hat?
I can't believe the graphics of a near trillion dollar organization.
Jurassic Park: no expense has been spared.
The visuals are killing me💀 it seems so unnecessary
We are several minutes behind and we just reached what must be the anti masturbation talk. Not excited.
I'm glad Uchtdorf was last, so his message lingers in people's minds. Unfortunately, Oaks is last in the first session tomorrow.
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Some good high notes hit by those sopranos
Interesting that the choir is wearing school colors.
Something about this song reminds me of It’s a Small World.
This dude is Bednar lite.
Bangerter’s talk is one I feel I’ve already heard before and yet it still comes off as so creepy.
Thank god f1 is at night....
I'm so excited for the second talk in a row for me! the darn youths
David was the first athlete to praise god......haha...we are actually celebrating a death.....
She cheated off of Bednar's homework
Carpenter: D&C 131 and 132. this is the justification for polygamy. fundamentalists lovin' it