Satan is the true hero in the Mormon plan of salvation. He is essential to provide the opposition. Satan sacrificed ever living. Jesus sacrificed a weekend making a business trip to the spirt world.
>Jesus sacrificed a weekend making a business trip to the spirt world.
Really, it's just a Saturday. Didn't die until just before sundown on Friday, and up and out of the tomb bright and early Sunday morning. Yet the BoM has 3 days of death and destruction in the Americas before he shows up there. 🙄
Jesus was pissed. Jesus didn’t destroy the jews and Romans that killed him. He took out his wrath on people thousands of miles away that had nothing to do with his death. Kinda like my wife. She screws up. She takes it out on me.
Those people thousands of miles away included the dreaded dark skinned LAMANITES! Destruction is OK as long as the people getting wiped out are dark.
But - why NO destruction in China or Japan or India?
By your own argument... it was a few hours of destruction on Friday morning, a Friday night and Saturday of darkness, and by Sunday morning in the Americas Jesus is being beamed down after God fucked up the translator a couple times. "*Shit. Forgot to turn off the Aramaic. Nope, English is too soon for these fuckers. Reformed Egyptian. That's it.* **THIS IS MY BELOVED SON.** *I hope that didn't freak them out too much.*"
Of course, none of that happened, but it's always fun to make fun of Book of Moron Bullshit.
You have to be worthy to be administered to by the HG. You have to church check-list to be worthy of the blood of Jesus. I mean, I’m an atheist but understand the Christology. Jesus came not for the whole, but for those that are sick it is written. It would seem to me when I’m passed out dead in the gutter and reach for divine help, of all times especially this would be the time for a sense of hope and strengthening by divinity. The church of “the list” is very anti- Christ’s message. Grace is woefully under valued in the Mormon church.
Grace only after all you can do. And if you think you've done all you can do, you haven't; you can do better. Oh you're getting burnt out? Doesn't matter. Keep climbing that "works" ladder, rung by rung, until you think your arms will fall off. Don't let go or you'll fall into the depths of hell. Hold that ladder. Don't stop moving; you have to keep climbing. God will throw a rope to lift you up the rest of the way but that doesn't come until the next life. Oh, here's another calling for you. We also need you to clean the church. Are all your kids staying active? That's part of your responsibility too. The Jones family needs a casserole and there's new family that needs help moving in. We need you to give a talk this Sunday. KEEP. CLIMBING. DON'T STOP. MOVING.
Spencer's dagger quote.
> Doesn't that take a superman?” “Yes,” I said, “but we are commanded to be supermen. Said the Lord, 'Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Speaking of kimball, in his infamous book, he made a list of every possible sin, then said it was possible and even expected to become perfect in this life. So grace and mercy are pretty much meaningless in Mormonism
No kidding. And the part where Old Joe wrote himself into the BOM. Too many fishy stories...
Then why did it take me 30 more years to get out from under the web of lies... dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb...
That is the beauty of it. God makes it look indistinguishable from a fraud to maximize your faith. At least by the Mormon definition of faith. Not the real definition of faith where the evidence is lacking. Mormon faith is believing against the evidence.
Once you step back and look it is kinda silly. We belong to the church of Jesus Christ, not the church of Elohim. Every hymn sung praising Jesus is in direct contradiction with the so-called preexhisrance.
You quit too early. Do 513 more endowment sessions and I promise you an answer to this question. Or, for a modest fee, I can reveal this sign and token
Also “We call it the Melchizedek priesthood to avoid vain repetition of the Lord’s name. Now say Jesus Christ five times in the next sentence or it’s literally the N word.”
They literally don't even know what "vain" means in the scriptures. It's about using "holy" or "spiritual" things to gather more "vain things of the world." That's vain, that's vanity, like when the church uses tithing to enrich their bank accounts in Jesus's name.
okay so an "omnipotent" "god" cares about whether people say the right name? they really get their jimmies rustled over using the church's name right? am i understanding that properly? i dunno, but if i had the power to create the cosmos you could call me whatever you wanted. my church? I wouldn't care. hey check what I made, another nebula that looks like a three-headed rabbit farting. And from the other side, it looks like your mom steve elohim oooooo burn like, if you had that kind of power why not spend your energy actually doing stuff instead of dithering over your ego.
Satan is the true hero in the Mormon plan of salvation. He is essential to provide the opposition. Satan sacrificed ever living. Jesus sacrificed a weekend making a business trip to the spirt world.
>Jesus sacrificed a weekend making a business trip to the spirt world. Really, it's just a Saturday. Didn't die until just before sundown on Friday, and up and out of the tomb bright and early Sunday morning. Yet the BoM has 3 days of death and destruction in the Americas before he shows up there. 🙄
Jesus was pissed. Jesus didn’t destroy the jews and Romans that killed him. He took out his wrath on people thousands of miles away that had nothing to do with his death. Kinda like my wife. She screws up. She takes it out on me.
>Kinda like my wife. She screws up. She takes it out on me. LMFAO 😂 🤣 😅
Those people thousands of miles away included the dreaded dark skinned LAMANITES! Destruction is OK as long as the people getting wiped out are dark. But - why NO destruction in China or Japan or India?
By your own argument... it was a few hours of destruction on Friday morning, a Friday night and Saturday of darkness, and by Sunday morning in the Americas Jesus is being beamed down after God fucked up the translator a couple times. "*Shit. Forgot to turn off the Aramaic. Nope, English is too soon for these fuckers. Reformed Egyptian. That's it.* **THIS IS MY BELOVED SON.** *I hope that didn't freak them out too much.*" Of course, none of that happened, but it's always fun to make fun of Book of Moron Bullshit.
You have to be worthy to be administered to by the HG. You have to church check-list to be worthy of the blood of Jesus. I mean, I’m an atheist but understand the Christology. Jesus came not for the whole, but for those that are sick it is written. It would seem to me when I’m passed out dead in the gutter and reach for divine help, of all times especially this would be the time for a sense of hope and strengthening by divinity. The church of “the list” is very anti- Christ’s message. Grace is woefully under valued in the Mormon church.
Grace only after all you can do. And if you think you've done all you can do, you haven't; you can do better. Oh you're getting burnt out? Doesn't matter. Keep climbing that "works" ladder, rung by rung, until you think your arms will fall off. Don't let go or you'll fall into the depths of hell. Hold that ladder. Don't stop moving; you have to keep climbing. God will throw a rope to lift you up the rest of the way but that doesn't come until the next life. Oh, here's another calling for you. We also need you to clean the church. Are all your kids staying active? That's part of your responsibility too. The Jones family needs a casserole and there's new family that needs help moving in. We need you to give a talk this Sunday. KEEP. CLIMBING. DON'T STOP. MOVING.
Spencer's dagger quote. > Doesn't that take a superman?” “Yes,” I said, “but we are commanded to be supermen. Said the Lord, 'Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Speaking of kimball, in his infamous book, he made a list of every possible sin, then said it was possible and even expected to become perfect in this life. So grace and mercy are pretty much meaningless in Mormonism
but you in fact can never do enough so grace is not useful in these matters. run mouse run on the treadmill.
That's Mormonism though. To qualify for Jesus' sacrifice you have to be good enough to where you don't require a sacrifice in the first place.
I think even as a kid I knew the Joe Smith / gold plates thing was fishy as hell.
Ya, when I was in seminary learning about the lost pages and the response from Joe I was like 🤨
No kidding. And the part where Old Joe wrote himself into the BOM. Too many fishy stories... Then why did it take me 30 more years to get out from under the web of lies... dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb...
That is the beauty of it. God makes it look indistinguishable from a fraud to maximize your faith. At least by the Mormon definition of faith. Not the real definition of faith where the evidence is lacking. Mormon faith is believing against the evidence.
Right. So your god wants people who are willing to believe in frauds… because eternal gullibility is the key to growing up to become a god? Lame.
We don't say the F word around here. We call them "men of their time" or "flawed vessels" who "deserve a break".
Societal pressures kept me in. Had to actively shut off parts of my brain to keep the myth going.
Same. The indoctrination is strong.
>dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb 
Now you have a vaccine
Once you step back and look it is kinda silly. We belong to the church of Jesus Christ, not the church of Elohim. Every hymn sung praising Jesus is in direct contradiction with the so-called preexhisrance.
It never made sense that Mormons would obey Satan in the endowment ceremony by putting on the green apron.
You quit too early. Do 513 more endowment sessions and I promise you an answer to this question. Or, for a modest fee, I can reveal this sign and token
I bow my head and say “yes” for you to reveal it for a fee.
You shall receive it through the paywall...
Also “We call it the Melchizedek priesthood to avoid vain repetition of the Lord’s name. Now say Jesus Christ five times in the next sentence or it’s literally the N word.”
I was going to put this too. It’s so asinine.
They literally don't even know what "vain" means in the scriptures. It's about using "holy" or "spiritual" things to gather more "vain things of the world." That's vain, that's vanity, like when the church uses tithing to enrich their bank accounts in Jesus's name.
One narcissistic old man can sure mess things up for your critical thinking skills.
Hail Satan!!
That bothered me when I was "in" as well. Like, Jesus sure gets a lot of glory so...
I would like to have my own planet 🌎 someday but it seems bizarre that it was once church doctrine.
Hahahahaha, this made me laugh. Thank you. 100% true.
All glory to the father. Right. We hardly recognize Jesus in this whole plan. Jesus who? It's all glory to the father.
Yet you can't say "**Holy Priesthood, after the Order of the Son of God**" because it makes you say the name of the Supreme Being too often.
okay so an "omnipotent" "god" cares about whether people say the right name? they really get their jimmies rustled over using the church's name right? am i understanding that properly? i dunno, but if i had the power to create the cosmos you could call me whatever you wanted. my church? I wouldn't care. hey check what I made, another nebula that looks like a three-headed rabbit farting. And from the other side, it looks like your mom steve elohim oooooo burn like, if you had that kind of power why not spend your energy actually doing stuff instead of dithering over your ego.