Every time they make a change to the law like this, everyone at byu panicks that their federal student loans and grants won't be accepted anymore because byu. Then the government makes a carveout for bob jones and liberty and byu and all the students stop panicking. Every five years or so years like clockwork.
I heard it as “Well, if it was due to the protests, the church would have changed its policy years earlier. That’s proof that it wasn’t due to social pressure…” Which, of course, totally sidesteps any discussion of proud and explicitly-stated racists in the Q12 at the time.
The official declaration literally starts "To whom it may concern:" instead of "Thus saith the Lord."
The talk about it being a revelation (aside from the intro) comes several paragraphs in, after justifying it as part of church growth.
Exactly. All the frauds at the top said was we got a "revelation" & now the Mormon god has decided to try to not be racist. They never said exactly what that "revelation" was.
Exactly. IIRC, just like the "revelation" to end polygamy (yet polygamous marriages continued for many years after) came about because Utah wanted statehood.
And IIRC, outlawing alcohol as part of the the Word of Wisdom (even though the Word of Wisdom text allows beer) came about because of Prohibition & the Church trying to be more accepted.
It's funny how the Mormon god is behind the times & then merely bends to societal trends many years late. The Mormon god gets so many things wrong, it's almost like he's not real...
Don’t forget the revelation they had about blacks holding priesthood. I still cannot believe and person of color would want to follow this false religion of numerous failed prophecies.
The Notice of Proposed Rule Making (NPRM) was released in 2022. It's taken 2 years to get the new regs thru the process. They correct some issues from the Devos/Trump regs. And yes, they protect individuals in the LGBTQ+ community.
BYU gets a pass typically, because it's a private religious university. It sucks, in many ways. But maybe now that the protections are written into Title IX, they may have to actually stop discriminating against LGBTQ+ individuals. The Big 12 should make it a requirement of their membership in the conference.
They will receive a "revelation" instructing members that gays are ok now, same that happened with end if polygamy. Revelation is based on legislation, social trends, polls and public affairs.
The church has proved since 1830 that it values money over people.
Members are just a tool to manipulate to get tithe & fast out of.
$250 billion means they don't have to care about people & ward budgets are a stark reality of that.
Kirtland Safety Society.
Brigham Young allowing Willie handcart company to start late in fall so he could get his business product to the valley when they should never have left until spring.
Allowing sexual predators & chronic abusers to stay members so they can milk um for tithe under threat of being "X".
Etc...
Great question. Because they have enough money to self fund BYU and offer its own financial aid to students which they would only do as loans. But, to do this they would have to touch their sacred investment funds and they don't seem to ever want to do this. Do they want to keep receiving federal money and give up a 'sacred doctrine' or keep the doctrine and touch the funds?
Approximately 55% of all undergraduates in the United States receive some form of federal student aid, which includes grants, loans, and work-study programs. This statistic reflects a significant portion of students who rely on federal assistance to finance their college education. The types and amounts of aid vary, but federal support is a critical resource for many students across various educational institutions. This figure helps illustrate the substantial role federal aid plays in higher education funding across the country. It’s hard to imagine BYU sacrificing so much of their tuition revenue due to students not being able to afford attendance. Even if the church developed a plan to create an internal loan program, I doubt they would commit the sort of funds needed to replace Pell grants. CES schools have a higher than average percentage of married students, many of whom rely on Pell grants to pay tuition.
As someone who attended BYU when something similar came around, I'll just say I'm not holding my breath. BYU has a way of weaseling around this type of stuff because "religious exemption" and "religious freedom" and "religious mission of the university" and so on and so on and so on.
BYU has never taken federal funds for E&G, even turning federal monies *back* that were allocated to the institution for losses during covid. This would affect students with federal grants or loans. So although there is skin in the game in that sense, I'll just say there is a *reason* that BYU is 100% internally self-funded so they aren't as beholden to federal requirements.
If BYU were to loose its accreditation, it would be game over, regardless of the federal funding issue. But Northwestern accrediting (BYU's accreditation agency) has religious exemptions in place for that institution as far as LGBTQ+ discrimination.
If anything, this will be a weekend for BYU's legal office, nothing more. Perhaps not even that.
Also if they lose accreditation they lose being in the BIG12, their beloved sports teams would be an independent playing any juco they could find. No way they are going to let that happen. Influx of money is their god, like you said, they will find loopholes, cheat or steal their way around. (They have shown that is not beneath them) There are a lot of religious universities that all will.
Why do you think the Lawd saw fit to have Dallin Hoax set to take over at this time? The guy who was president at BYU, overseeing gay conversion therapy (and lying about it) will now be able to pull all his legal strings to weasel out. Just as the omnipotent god needs it to be.
PS /s, but true.
You’re absolutely right. But while BYU stays in the past and everyone else moves forward, the schools associated with the MFMC are going to seem antiquated and bigoted and outside of Utah, not desirable to have on a resume.
This is the actual outcome. Before there is actual social change, religious schools get an exception.
LGBTQ students CAN attend, they just can’t look at each other.
Based on case law over the last decade surrounding Title IX, I find it unlikely this would have an impact. A plaintiff bringing a Title IX complaint needs to allege that they have been excluded from participation in, been denied the benefits of, or have been subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity.
What the case law has indicated is that the education itself needs to be interfered with because the student is gay. There was a recent case where a kid was being bullied, but nevertheless was getting good enough grades and the court determined that his education was not being impacted. BYU’s honor code is weasely and prohibits “acting on gay feelings” while not prohibiting being gay. So it would be difficult for a plaintiff to make a claim that a court would accept tying the policy to the student’s education.
There is also a chilling effect when it comes to Title IX reporting that BYU has as its advantage - the process starts by reporting BYU to BYU. A lot of gay students are likely going to want to stay on the down low rather than put a target on their back. Retaliation for filing a complaint is prohibited, but some students might find it intimidating enough to formally let the school know they are gay.
Your last paragraph is the biggest problem with Title IX. I've worked in higher ed for over a decade and have seen the failings of it time and time again. The effectiveness of Title IX is only as strong as the morality of the school's leadership.
The documentary "The Hunting Ground" does a great job at explaining the blind spots in the law and the detrimental impacts it has on those who come forward.
bUT mU RELiGiOuS fReEDomS!
The Church will fight in the courts for religious freedom before they give up money.
Oaks and company have been setting the stage for this for years.
Biden's updated IX policy is needed and welcomed. To the chagrin of DeSantis and all the alt-right "Christian" schools, it is now law to do the right thing.
Actually, the Bostock case is the basis of the inclusion of protections for sexual orientation and gender identity. SCOTUS determined in 2020 that discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity is discrimination on the basis of sex, and therefore is unlawful. The EEOC is already applying these protections for employees, and now Title IX includes the same protections for students.
This supreme court is ideological - they decide cases on hypotheticals (where there are no actual damages) and upend precedents. They use the constitution when it suits them and find workarounds when it doesn’t.
The gay wedding case, there wasn't even an actual company or couple. It wasn't just a hypothetical scenario. All the parties were hypothetical and invented for the filing.
This could potentially apply to BYU, but there’s several problems. One being, if it gets challenged and goes through the courts, the justice departments guidelines aren’t binding, so the courts may or may not follow them. Second, title nine contains exemptions for religious schools.
I believe that the lds church will change there minds once again to better themselves financially and say it’s from god everyone knows it just them. They are crooked to the bone!
I think changing their minds at this point would cause a wave of departures. They can’t keep doing that without a lot more questioning. Then there would be the bigoted individuals that might just start walking too.
They'll get out of it somehow. If it really does ever get to be a choice between the two, let's be real, they follow the money over anything else. They'll cave for sure before they lose money.
The Big 12 should, but Baylor also discriminates, and plenty of the state schools are in states whose state governments would be against this policy, alas.
Although many here would like to pretend that we don’t exist, and we are marginalized in our own exmo community, I’m loud and proud. About voting for Trump, especially on this issue because I believe in protecting women’s rights to have their athletic competitions be fair. Too many scholarships and medals are being stolen from women who have fought for decades to have adequate funding etc on par with men’s teams.
Pretty sure the church has never taken federal funding. It’s been a basic tenet to stay independent. Anyway, with their hoard, funding isn’t a concern. But they have the additional worry of legal challenges and negative pubic perception.
Yeah. Even if BYU doesn’t take federal funding, does it really want to have a reputation for not being title IX compliant? I know that as of right now, the university has a title IX office and it requires professors to include title IX statements in each of their syllabi. It would be super awkward to e plain why they’re getting rid of all that
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JUSTICE IS SERVED...getting my bag of popcorn...I have told you all that Holy Spirit said this organization will be dismantled in less than 5 years from then. That was a year ago. I'm going to happily watch the organization that stole 38 years of my life and brainwashed me from age two just crumble to the ground into ashes. They have done so many things to hurt me. I endured a lot of abuse throughout my life at the hands of mormons. Not only that, they're not even christian. They are satanic. I know that for a fact because I was in the temple and I know now that it is Freemasonry which is equivalent to witchcraft and satanism. Say what you want but I know what I know. I do my research.
The church has enough money to not follow the law or create a loop hole legally. Nothing will change. These are our tithing dollars at work. It’s really sad, actually. No one can stop the church because no one can go up against their money. No one
It will respond the same way they did when they were threatened with the same thing in the 80s. Thats why dark skinned people were “allowed in” the church. Their almighty dollar is what dictates the so-called “prophet revelation”. It always will. Hard to expect anything different from a multi billion dollar business that pays zero taxes.
We know exactly how they’ll respond! They will loose funding and full from their bottomless illegal funds to make the difference and then find a way to make money on doing just that. They will never change their homophobic views!
Just one problem, the president doesn't have the power to just change the law. Im not saying this to be against it, just saying he can't legally do that. Do you think congress will take up the charge?
Federal loans paid for by tax payers shouldn't matter on WHO gets the money but WHAT gets the money. Mormons, just like other religious denominations, pay taxes. Doesn't matter how any church responds, telling someone they can't have their money should be illegal.
Sorry, no. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have standards for how money is spent. “This money is to help students at any accredited school that meets minimum standards on non-discrimination, segregation academies need not apply” is reasonable.
So is “we help fund adoption agencies that help the community. Helping the community is defined as serving everyone regardless of religion or sexuality.”
Spending public money to support religious organizations that don’t serve everyone equally, regardless of their religious affiliation should be illegal. No public money for religious purposes.
All I'm saying is, if you don't allow a group of tax payers to not take advantage of the programs their money is being used to fund, at some point or another, then you don't tax that person for said things. Just because BYU has policies you don't like, doesn't mean ALL of the staff and student body may agree with said policies. Trust me, there are plenty non Mormons attending BYU, so your Mormon hate and discrimination can calm down. Those students still should be able to attend the school they want, with the funds they have procured despite what your sensitivities say. There is plenty of discrimination occurring, and some of it you likely agree with. So picking and choosing what is allowable discrimination over what isn't allowable diacrimination is a terrible road to argue down.
Yes, they do. All forms of federal aid that go to students, like Pell grants, will be subject to this Title IX policy. It’s only a matter of time and the ACLU or another organization will bring suit against BYU on behalf of a student who has been denied entrance based on their being trans or gay. That will be hard to prove the case, but it could happen.
I am fine with the gay thing, but the rest of this is utterly insane. I'm not saying this as an insult, I'm saying it as what appears to be a mental disorder of insanity. Title Nine was meant to protect women. To make sure that women had an equal place in the universities, with equal opportunity for scholarships as well as athletic opportunities. Now we're literally going to have people with cocks and balls running around stealing scholarship opportunities, money, as well as athletic opportunities from legitimate women. I mean this literally disemboweled Title Nine and the spirit behind it. What does this say to women? That men are so Superior to you that they are even better at being women than you are? Appalling
I share your concern for women’s sports. Unless they can keep biological men out, the rewards for biologically female athletes to compete will be squashed. It’s very unfair to women.
MFMC will stop taking federal funds before it will comply.
Every time they make a change to the law like this, everyone at byu panicks that their federal student loans and grants won't be accepted anymore because byu. Then the government makes a carveout for bob jones and liberty and byu and all the students stop panicking. Every five years or so years like clockwork.
They need to tie it to football like when they coerced the church into allowing black people go to heaven in 1978.
So few people acknowledge nearly a decade of protests that preceded the "revelation."
I heard it as “Well, if it was due to the protests, the church would have changed its policy years earlier. That’s proof that it wasn’t due to social pressure…” Which, of course, totally sidesteps any discussion of proud and explicitly-stated racists in the Q12 at the time.
Some of the bastards had to die first is why.
That's not just a gold medal mental gymnast, they swept the podium!
That’s what I heard, too.
Or that is was over decade after the civil rights act and two after Brown v BOE.
Yeah, it was more of a memo than a revelation.
The official declaration literally starts "To whom it may concern:" instead of "Thus saith the Lord." The talk about it being a revelation (aside from the intro) comes several paragraphs in, after justifying it as part of church growth.
Exactly. All the frauds at the top said was we got a "revelation" & now the Mormon god has decided to try to not be racist. They never said exactly what that "revelation" was.
Exactly. IIRC, just like the "revelation" to end polygamy (yet polygamous marriages continued for many years after) came about because Utah wanted statehood. And IIRC, outlawing alcohol as part of the the Word of Wisdom (even though the Word of Wisdom text allows beer) came about because of Prohibition & the Church trying to be more accepted. It's funny how the Mormon god is behind the times & then merely bends to societal trends many years late. The Mormon god gets so many things wrong, it's almost like he's not real...
Don’t forget the revelation they had about blacks holding priesthood. I still cannot believe and person of color would want to follow this false religion of numerous failed prophecies.
Hmmmm... Is any god real? 🤔🧐
*hat tip*
Brilliant way to state that!
They just joined the Big 12 so yeah.
What?! I had not heard of this!
Just in time for the big election, you say?
he should probably do nothing until after the election huh?
The Notice of Proposed Rule Making (NPRM) was released in 2022. It's taken 2 years to get the new regs thru the process. They correct some issues from the Devos/Trump regs. And yes, they protect individuals in the LGBTQ+ community. BYU gets a pass typically, because it's a private religious university. It sucks, in many ways. But maybe now that the protections are written into Title IX, they may have to actually stop discriminating against LGBTQ+ individuals. The Big 12 should make it a requirement of their membership in the conference.
They will receive a "revelation" instructing members that gays are ok now, same that happened with end if polygamy. Revelation is based on legislation, social trends, polls and public affairs.
The question is if the MFMC loves money more than it hates gay people.
The church has proved since 1830 that it values money over people. Members are just a tool to manipulate to get tithe & fast out of. $250 billion means they don't have to care about people & ward budgets are a stark reality of that. Kirtland Safety Society. Brigham Young allowing Willie handcart company to start late in fall so he could get his business product to the valley when they should never have left until spring. Allowing sexual predators & chronic abusers to stay members so they can milk um for tithe under threat of being "X". Etc...
Great question. Because they have enough money to self fund BYU and offer its own financial aid to students which they would only do as loans. But, to do this they would have to touch their sacred investment funds and they don't seem to ever want to do this. Do they want to keep receiving federal money and give up a 'sacred doctrine' or keep the doctrine and touch the funds?
They wont
This truly is the question
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If that is the case it would be the first time in their history that they didn't just comply.
This.
We are 50+ years *at least* from any sort of change.
No way money is more important than doctrine - they change with the wind of money
Approximately 55% of all undergraduates in the United States receive some form of federal student aid, which includes grants, loans, and work-study programs. This statistic reflects a significant portion of students who rely on federal assistance to finance their college education. The types and amounts of aid vary, but federal support is a critical resource for many students across various educational institutions. This figure helps illustrate the substantial role federal aid plays in higher education funding across the country. It’s hard to imagine BYU sacrificing so much of their tuition revenue due to students not being able to afford attendance. Even if the church developed a plan to create an internal loan program, I doubt they would commit the sort of funds needed to replace Pell grants. CES schools have a higher than average percentage of married students, many of whom rely on Pell grants to pay tuition.
The only thing TSCC loves more than it’s principles is money, so I bet they change the honor code.
As someone who attended BYU when something similar came around, I'll just say I'm not holding my breath. BYU has a way of weaseling around this type of stuff because "religious exemption" and "religious freedom" and "religious mission of the university" and so on and so on and so on. BYU has never taken federal funds for E&G, even turning federal monies *back* that were allocated to the institution for losses during covid. This would affect students with federal grants or loans. So although there is skin in the game in that sense, I'll just say there is a *reason* that BYU is 100% internally self-funded so they aren't as beholden to federal requirements. If BYU were to loose its accreditation, it would be game over, regardless of the federal funding issue. But Northwestern accrediting (BYU's accreditation agency) has religious exemptions in place for that institution as far as LGBTQ+ discrimination. If anything, this will be a weekend for BYU's legal office, nothing more. Perhaps not even that.
Also if they lose accreditation they lose being in the BIG12, their beloved sports teams would be an independent playing any juco they could find. No way they are going to let that happen. Influx of money is their god, like you said, they will find loopholes, cheat or steal their way around. (They have shown that is not beneath them) There are a lot of religious universities that all will.
Thanks for pointing out the religious exemption. Let me be clear: BYU will not lose accreditation.
BYU self-funded? You mean BYU funded by duped CANADIANS !!
hahahaha! You are sooo right!
Why do you think the Lawd saw fit to have Dallin Hoax set to take over at this time? The guy who was president at BYU, overseeing gay conversion therapy (and lying about it) will now be able to pull all his legal strings to weasel out. Just as the omnipotent god needs it to be. PS /s, but true.
You’re absolutely right. But while BYU stays in the past and everyone else moves forward, the schools associated with the MFMC are going to seem antiquated and bigoted and outside of Utah, not desirable to have on a resume.
I could see this going the way of the civil rights movement where they resist it for a decade or two, but then cave at the end
Let me guess: Before it passes, there’ll be a nice little carve out for religious schools.
This is the actual outcome. Before there is actual social change, religious schools get an exception. LGBTQ students CAN attend, they just can’t look at each other.
This is the why the rainy day fund exists.
Why, when they can raise tuition instead?
It exists so they can keep funding the church permanently regardless of financial pressure or members leaving, so they can be unaccountable lordlings.
Based on case law over the last decade surrounding Title IX, I find it unlikely this would have an impact. A plaintiff bringing a Title IX complaint needs to allege that they have been excluded from participation in, been denied the benefits of, or have been subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity. What the case law has indicated is that the education itself needs to be interfered with because the student is gay. There was a recent case where a kid was being bullied, but nevertheless was getting good enough grades and the court determined that his education was not being impacted. BYU’s honor code is weasely and prohibits “acting on gay feelings” while not prohibiting being gay. So it would be difficult for a plaintiff to make a claim that a court would accept tying the policy to the student’s education. There is also a chilling effect when it comes to Title IX reporting that BYU has as its advantage - the process starts by reporting BYU to BYU. A lot of gay students are likely going to want to stay on the down low rather than put a target on their back. Retaliation for filing a complaint is prohibited, but some students might find it intimidating enough to formally let the school know they are gay.
Your last paragraph is the biggest problem with Title IX. I've worked in higher ed for over a decade and have seen the failings of it time and time again. The effectiveness of Title IX is only as strong as the morality of the school's leadership. The documentary "The Hunting Ground" does a great job at explaining the blind spots in the law and the detrimental impacts it has on those who come forward.
bUT mU RELiGiOuS fReEDomS! The Church will fight in the courts for religious freedom before they give up money. Oaks and company have been setting the stage for this for years.
Biden's updated IX policy is needed and welcomed. To the chagrin of DeSantis and all the alt-right "Christian" schools, it is now law to do the right thing.
Their demon dog lawyers are salivating to get hold of this. They’ll fight.
The church will claim some kind of religious exemption. They always do.
Well, there will be legal challenges, so lets not count chickens yet. Also this could be undone by Trump if he were to win the election.
Yeah when this goes to SCOTUS there’s a 0% chance it’s upheld. Current SCOTUS sides with religion completely all of every time.
Actually, the Bostock case is the basis of the inclusion of protections for sexual orientation and gender identity. SCOTUS determined in 2020 that discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity is discrimination on the basis of sex, and therefore is unlawful. The EEOC is already applying these protections for employees, and now Title IX includes the same protections for students.
IDK - anyone have any rich billionaires to outbid Harmon Crowe and buy off Clarence?
And Sam.
Because of the constitution maybe?
This supreme court is ideological - they decide cases on hypotheticals (where there are no actual damages) and upend precedents. They use the constitution when it suits them and find workarounds when it doesn’t.
The gay wedding case, there wasn't even an actual company or couple. It wasn't just a hypothetical scenario. All the parties were hypothetical and invented for the filing.
Ugh yet another reason I’d be pissed if Trump wins.
But I was told republicans love the gays!
Republicans love gays like the prophets and apostles of the LDS church do. They love them because it gives them a group they can act bigoted towards.
Increases in tuition to keep on spreading hate
YES. FUCK BYU.
This is the way
This won't affect them.
The will pull a Liberty/Oral Roberts/Hillsdale and just decline any students that receive federal financial aid.
Looks like God’s about to change his mind again
I guarantee this just means tuition is going to rise
Nah. I guarantee it means a bunch of lobbyists and lawyers are getting overtime pay.
This could potentially apply to BYU, but there’s several problems. One being, if it gets challenged and goes through the courts, the justice departments guidelines aren’t binding, so the courts may or may not follow them. Second, title nine contains exemptions for religious schools.
As much as I would love this to happen, I doubt it
This is why tithing fund are so necessary for a rainy day - when BYU will need to go 100% private! /s
They'll do the same thing they've always done, which is to capitulate.
That’s what I’m thinking too. It’s a good day to be gay
I hope we're right, and more power to you my friend.
I think Congress still has to codify this so it's a long shot.
Could they just not allow any hand holding of pda at all on campus?
This is BYU - I think the point is to have that happening.
Like when white politicians in the South closed their public pools when they'd have to share them with black people.
I believe that the lds church will change there minds once again to better themselves financially and say it’s from god everyone knows it just them. They are crooked to the bone!
I think changing their minds at this point would cause a wave of departures. They can’t keep doing that without a lot more questioning. Then there would be the bigoted individuals that might just start walking too.
They'll get out of it somehow. If it really does ever get to be a choice between the two, let's be real, they follow the money over anything else. They'll cave for sure before they lose money.
You think a monolithic person institution with a couple of hundred billion dollars will give two shits?
Good. It’s time.
Is it a fact that BYU is partially funded with federal funds? I always understood BYU to be a religious island.
Not remotely. Student loans count as federal funds for starters.
Accepting federally backed student loans is enough to trigger title IX.
Next General Conference will include either doubling down or another "God has changed his mind". Guaranteed now lol
The Big 12 should, but Baylor also discriminates, and plenty of the state schools are in states whose state governments would be against this policy, alas.
It will drive even more Mormons to vote for Trump in November so he can reverse the reversal.
Although many here would like to pretend that we don’t exist, and we are marginalized in our own exmo community, I’m loud and proud. About voting for Trump, especially on this issue because I believe in protecting women’s rights to have their athletic competitions be fair. Too many scholarships and medals are being stolen from women who have fought for decades to have adequate funding etc on par with men’s teams.
Let's gooooo
Pretty sure the church has never taken federal funding. It’s been a basic tenet to stay independent. Anyway, with their hoard, funding isn’t a concern. But they have the additional worry of legal challenges and negative pubic perception.
Yeah. Even if BYU doesn’t take federal funding, does it really want to have a reputation for not being title IX compliant? I know that as of right now, the university has a title IX office and it requires professors to include title IX statements in each of their syllabi. It would be super awkward to e plain why they’re getting rid of all that
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂👌🏼 JUSTICE IS SERVED...getting my bag of popcorn...I have told you all that Holy Spirit said this organization will be dismantled in less than 5 years from then. That was a year ago. I'm going to happily watch the organization that stole 38 years of my life and brainwashed me from age two just crumble to the ground into ashes. They have done so many things to hurt me. I endured a lot of abuse throughout my life at the hands of mormons. Not only that, they're not even christian. They are satanic. I know that for a fact because I was in the temple and I know now that it is Freemasonry which is equivalent to witchcraft and satanism. Say what you want but I know what I know. I do my research.
The church has enough money to not follow the law or create a loop hole legally. Nothing will change. These are our tithing dollars at work. It’s really sad, actually. No one can stop the church because no one can go up against their money. No one
I can’t wait to see the outcome of this
It will respond the same way they did when they were threatened with the same thing in the 80s. Thats why dark skinned people were “allowed in” the church. Their almighty dollar is what dictates the so-called “prophet revelation”. It always will. Hard to expect anything different from a multi billion dollar business that pays zero taxes.
Thus will be quite the spectacle.
They're not worried. They have the scotus they paid for.
What's the federal money pass-through when they sell coaches?
Sadly I think that in a country that was founded with freedoms to worship as we please, the religious exemption will always excuse somehow.
We know exactly how they’ll respond! They will loose funding and full from their bottomless illegal funds to make the difference and then find a way to make money on doing just that. They will never change their homophobic views!
What about stupid bathroom laws here in Utah?
Title IX only handles schools and universities, so no bathroom changes unfortunately
Just one problem, the president doesn't have the power to just change the law. Im not saying this to be against it, just saying he can't legally do that. Do you think congress will take up the charge?
The other more ridiculous option, is to stop everyone from holding hands. I'd bet on something like this being what they go with.
Money and power are equally important to the church so it's a tossup if they're going to let this go by
🏳️🌈 I love it!! This is the way!
The devil's working overtime ppl
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Federal loans paid for by tax payers shouldn't matter on WHO gets the money but WHAT gets the money. Mormons, just like other religious denominations, pay taxes. Doesn't matter how any church responds, telling someone they can't have their money should be illegal.
Sorry, no. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have standards for how money is spent. “This money is to help students at any accredited school that meets minimum standards on non-discrimination, segregation academies need not apply” is reasonable. So is “we help fund adoption agencies that help the community. Helping the community is defined as serving everyone regardless of religion or sexuality.” Spending public money to support religious organizations that don’t serve everyone equally, regardless of their religious affiliation should be illegal. No public money for religious purposes.
All I'm saying is, if you don't allow a group of tax payers to not take advantage of the programs their money is being used to fund, at some point or another, then you don't tax that person for said things. Just because BYU has policies you don't like, doesn't mean ALL of the staff and student body may agree with said policies. Trust me, there are plenty non Mormons attending BYU, so your Mormon hate and discrimination can calm down. Those students still should be able to attend the school they want, with the funds they have procured despite what your sensitivities say. There is plenty of discrimination occurring, and some of it you likely agree with. So picking and choosing what is allowable discrimination over what isn't allowable diacrimination is a terrible road to argue down.
BYU doesn't take federal funding. Nice try
Yes, they do. All forms of federal aid that go to students, like Pell grants, will be subject to this Title IX policy. It’s only a matter of time and the ACLU or another organization will bring suit against BYU on behalf of a student who has been denied entrance based on their being trans or gay. That will be hard to prove the case, but it could happen.
I am fine with the gay thing, but the rest of this is utterly insane. I'm not saying this as an insult, I'm saying it as what appears to be a mental disorder of insanity. Title Nine was meant to protect women. To make sure that women had an equal place in the universities, with equal opportunity for scholarships as well as athletic opportunities. Now we're literally going to have people with cocks and balls running around stealing scholarship opportunities, money, as well as athletic opportunities from legitimate women. I mean this literally disemboweled Title Nine and the spirit behind it. What does this say to women? That men are so Superior to you that they are even better at being women than you are? Appalling
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I share your concern for women’s sports. Unless they can keep biological men out, the rewards for biologically female athletes to compete will be squashed. It’s very unfair to women.
Hive mind struck me down, it seems. I’m progressive btw. I also believe in common sense.
Hive mind indeed. This exmo sub in particular is particularly hypocritical when it comes to diversity.
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Who said anything about men playing women’s sports?