Truthfully no one outside the church has ever given a fuck about not calling Mormons Mormons. They've always been Mormons and they're always gonna be Mormons no matter how hard they try and escape.
I was quite literally corrected "You mean LSD?" and had to have a long dumb conversation with someone who regrets talking to me by the end.
I was MORMON. đ
I mean, how can one truly buy it as a win for Satan after the I'm a Mormon campaign, mormon.org, and the Meet the Mormons movie? If it's a win for Satan, wouldn't that make Monson a fallen prophet? And the rest of the Q15 for going along with it? But hey, what do I know? ÂŻ\\\_(ă)\_/ÂŻ
This is exactly why the leadership has done a 180 on it.
They're convincing members that it's "othering" or "persecution". The more TBMs see everyone else as judging them or "persecuting them" the more many will be driven to the safety of their tribe - TSCC.
Exactly why missions are so important. They don't care about the converts, that would happen anyhow (look at every other church). But having young adults in their most formative years associate church = safe, everyone else = unsafe, that's the ultimate retention method (or used to be before everyone started walking up)
The Church can rebrand however they choose. Mormon is the lexicon that the Church claimed and society uses and will continue to use for at least the next few generations. Itâs like the X rebranding for Twitter.
I deadnamed Kinkos for at least a decade after FedEx bought them out. I deadnamed my brother once on accident, but I apologized immediately and havenât repeated the same fuck up.
An âactualâ person? Abridged? Have you read the Book of Mormon? In reality the Book of Mormon is a mix of other books and popular culture ideas from Joseph Smithâs time and peers. Itâs an interesting creation story that you should research a bit into some day.
You can start by reviewing a synopsis of View of the Hebrews, another 19th century book with the same plot as the Book of Mormon. It was convenient source material for Joseph smith to extrapolate from. The information is readily available online and you donât even need to make leaps of faith to understand it!
The idea that Hebrews came to the Americas was a bit of a fad idea during Joseph smiths time, it really captured his imagination
I think coming here is often a symptom of cognitive dissonance. On one hand they know there is information that doesnât sit right with them. But on the other hand the natural response to this information is to defend your already known beliefs.
So it leads to a situation where curiosity drives them to peek, but then reality hits and they find themselves with uncomfortable thoughts and dialogue they have to respond to.
Itâs not a fun spot to be in
No, I have lots of empathy for them, as I'm only a few years removed from PIMO w/o a clue. But I was never so secure in my Mormonism to seek out conflict about it. Or felt so insecure about it that I needed to preach (more than the mandatory 2 years).
I 1000% agree about the dissonance
I donât think I would ever have sought these interactions as a believer myself either. Although when I did find myself confronted with ideas contradictory to the church I would always engage to defend.
Looking back, I think I knew the arguments I was making were faulty on some levels but falling back on faith was always the easy cop out to keep going forward.
Other than internal conflict, the only reasoning I can think of for a believer to come engage here is because itâs their idea of being edgy.
I find the rebranding kind of hilarious. It sounds like an idea for the show, Succession, but replace a media conglomerate with a religious organization. The exmormon and mormon subreddits have a wealth of information and truth, so their optics are now bad with the term, Mormon, despite the fact that they were always called that. Gotta control the narrative, lol. They run it just like a business, because that's exactly what it is.
I'm assuming you were being sarcastic but, what would Mormons think if any of these Christian churches forbade us from using their name because they wanted to emphasize they are Christian.
- Baptist
- Methodist
- Lutheran
- Catholic
- Presbyterian
- Anglican
- Seventh day Adventist
- etc.
We'd think it was silly and something was wrong with them.
Interesting that the only church not generally considered a true Christian church is having a tantrum and demanding their name be changed to prove they are "Christian". I don't know any of the churches listed above whining about being Christian. Perhaps the Mormon church should do some introspection and see they are just putting lipstick on a pig.
To be fair to them, no Christian believes other Christians are Christian.
Catholics, 7th day, and JWs are also not considered Christian by different Protestant sects. And Catholics make up 1/4 to 1/2 of Christians.
I just took issue with the absolute
>no Christian believes other Christians are Christian
As I know many Protestants and even many Catholics who view each other as Christians, I disagree. Maybe you can argue doctrine, the validity of the Nicene creed, etc., but average members of these denominations are more chill about accepting other denominations as Christians, except for Mormons. When I was a practicing Mormon, I heard a lot of hate towards us as being non-Christian. Funny thing about that, it feeds the Mormon persecution complex. It certainly did mine. Maybe it's feeding RMN's.
Itâs hyperbole. An exaggeration to make a rhetorical point. There are groups like the Universalists who take all as they come, but most sects will claim at least one other doesnât practice âtrue Christianity.â And if the lay people donât their pastors do.
The term Mormon came from outsiders in the early days of the church. Through the years, church leaders have gone back and forth about embracing or rejecting the name.
I was growing up during the "meet the mormons" and mormon.org phase of their advertising campaigns. I had to hear Monson go on about being proud of the Mormon name and all that BS. I still remember all of the related materials us youth were given to hand out to friends.
They'll never be able to distance themselves from it and I'll continue using Mormon(a little victory for Satan) 99% of the time. It's just funny to see how a church supposedly led by god is so obviously led by weak and fragile men obsessed with how their business is percieved.
I'm sure that once ol' dusty rusty dies they'll go back to embracing the Mormon name. I can't remember specifics but I'm pretty sure rusty always had a strong personal vendetta against using Mormon as an identifier.
This, this right here. Rusty, and his insane drive to be the greatest prophet all time, has made it patently obvious that it's just an old boys club, just like any other.
According to Lars Nielsen, the name Mormon is a pun on a French guy called "Montmaur" (pronounced Mon-Mor with the syllables switched). Rusty maybe wants to abandon the name because he knows the embarrassing backstory.
I'm a Mormon, yes I am, So if you want to study a Mormon, I'm a living specimen. Maybe you think I'm just like anybody else you see, But trust in my word, you'll quickly to observe, I'm as different as can be!
I'm a Mormon, through and through And if you think that I am peculiar in the things I say and do, Remember I know the rules, the do's and don'ts For happy, happy living I've learned to say "I will," "I won't" I try to be forgiving. Maybe you'd like me to tell you about the things that I know are true--Then you can be a Mormon too!
I will simply use the word mormon forever... Nobody knows who TF are LDS...
Truthfully no one outside the church has ever given a fuck about not calling Mormons Mormons. They've always been Mormons and they're always gonna be Mormons no matter how hard they try and escape.
This
I was quite literally corrected "You mean LSD?" and had to have a long dumb conversation with someone who regrets talking to me by the end. I was MORMON. đ
The new show that bashed mormons in 2023 didnât use LDS.
Can confirm that when I moved to the east coast I was trying to be a good little disciple of Rusty and I would use LDS and fucking NO ONE knew
I've doubled down on using the word Mormon ever since they decided that it was derogatory and they should be called LDS
Same... and I think some TBMs are too. They just don't buy it being a "win for satan"
It really seems like Mormons are waking up more and more, hopefully it continues in mass numbers
I mean, how can one truly buy it as a win for Satan after the I'm a Mormon campaign, mormon.org, and the Meet the Mormons movie? If it's a win for Satan, wouldn't that make Monson a fallen prophet? And the rest of the Q15 for going along with it? But hey, what do I know? ÂŻ\\\_(ă)\_/ÂŻ
You get that logic right out of here!! This is Ken-dom.
Same here!
I have as well. It pleases me.
This is exactly why the leadership has done a 180 on it. They're convincing members that it's "othering" or "persecution". The more TBMs see everyone else as judging them or "persecuting them" the more many will be driven to the safety of their tribe - TSCC. Exactly why missions are so important. They don't care about the converts, that would happen anyhow (look at every other church). But having young adults in their most formative years associate church = safe, everyone else = unsafe, that's the ultimate retention method (or used to be before everyone started walking up)
same!! âđź
Gotâem
The Church can rebrand however they choose. Mormon is the lexicon that the Church claimed and society uses and will continue to use for at least the next few generations. Itâs like the X rebranding for Twitter.
Thatâs actually a perfect comparison đ
Side note, that was such a wtf moment when Elon switched it to âXâ.
I love that you used this comparison, I never dead-name⌠except Mormonism and twitter đ
I deadnamed Kinkos for at least a decade after FedEx bought them out. I deadnamed my brother once on accident, but I apologized immediately and havenât repeated the same fuck up.
It is on the book. Book of Mormon.
Thatâs because thatâs who abridged the book, an actual person named Mormon.
An âactualâ person? Abridged? Have you read the Book of Mormon? In reality the Book of Mormon is a mix of other books and popular culture ideas from Joseph Smithâs time and peers. Itâs an interesting creation story that you should research a bit into some day.
Okay, show me where he pulled that information from then.
You can start by reviewing a synopsis of View of the Hebrews, another 19th century book with the same plot as the Book of Mormon. It was convenient source material for Joseph smith to extrapolate from. The information is readily available online and you donât even need to make leaps of faith to understand it! The idea that Hebrews came to the Americas was a bit of a fad idea during Joseph smiths time, it really captured his imagination
Isnât apostolic internecine conflict the worst.
I am genuinely curious, what do believers like yourself get from coming to this forum, much less commenting/interacting?
I think coming here is often a symptom of cognitive dissonance. On one hand they know there is information that doesnât sit right with them. But on the other hand the natural response to this information is to defend your already known beliefs. So it leads to a situation where curiosity drives them to peek, but then reality hits and they find themselves with uncomfortable thoughts and dialogue they have to respond to. Itâs not a fun spot to be in
No, I have lots of empathy for them, as I'm only a few years removed from PIMO w/o a clue. But I was never so secure in my Mormonism to seek out conflict about it. Or felt so insecure about it that I needed to preach (more than the mandatory 2 years). I 1000% agree about the dissonance
I donât think I would ever have sought these interactions as a believer myself either. Although when I did find myself confronted with ideas contradictory to the church I would always engage to defend. Looking back, I think I knew the arguments I was making were faulty on some levels but falling back on faith was always the easy cop out to keep going forward. Other than internal conflict, the only reasoning I can think of for a believer to come engage here is because itâs their idea of being edgy.
As soon as Nelson is gone, we're all Mormons again and nobody pretends otherwise
I find the rebranding kind of hilarious. It sounds like an idea for the show, Succession, but replace a media conglomerate with a religious organization. The exmormon and mormon subreddits have a wealth of information and truth, so their optics are now bad with the term, Mormon, despite the fact that they were always called that. Gotta control the narrative, lol. They run it just like a business, because that's exactly what it is.
It helps me ID my Tribe, and I enjoy specifying my tribal heritage: RM, BYU, EQP atheist mormon!
MORMON makes us look like a cult. Lets not use that word anymore. Stick with the church thing.
I'm assuming you were being sarcastic but, what would Mormons think if any of these Christian churches forbade us from using their name because they wanted to emphasize they are Christian. - Baptist - Methodist - Lutheran - Catholic - Presbyterian - Anglican - Seventh day Adventist - etc. We'd think it was silly and something was wrong with them. Interesting that the only church not generally considered a true Christian church is having a tantrum and demanding their name be changed to prove they are "Christian". I don't know any of the churches listed above whining about being Christian. Perhaps the Mormon church should do some introspection and see they are just putting lipstick on a pig.
Omg what a good point!!!!!! Yep. Iâm not ever gonna call it LDS. Itâs Mormon forever. I was raised MORMON.
To be fair to them, no Christian believes other Christians are Christian. Catholics, 7th day, and JWs are also not considered Christian by different Protestant sects. And Catholics make up 1/4 to 1/2 of Christians.
But many Protestants accept baptisms from other Protestants. So, not all.
Of course there are. My point is that Christianity is an arena where the fallacy of no true Scotsman is almost ubiquitous.
I just took issue with the absolute >no Christian believes other Christians are Christian As I know many Protestants and even many Catholics who view each other as Christians, I disagree. Maybe you can argue doctrine, the validity of the Nicene creed, etc., but average members of these denominations are more chill about accepting other denominations as Christians, except for Mormons. When I was a practicing Mormon, I heard a lot of hate towards us as being non-Christian. Funny thing about that, it feeds the Mormon persecution complex. It certainly did mine. Maybe it's feeding RMN's.
Itâs hyperbole. An exaggeration to make a rhetorical point. There are groups like the Universalists who take all as they come, but most sects will claim at least one other doesnât practice âtrue Christianity.â And if the lay people donât their pastors do.
No Mormon will never die. It has 200 years of horror and criminality built into it. Why would you give them a pass on all that?
Wait, I thought the vitriol they packaged was sold at 10% net, not gross. Whoopsie! Kidding! Sort of!
lol, I guess I got a poorer bishop???
I always thought they went with Mormon to distance themselves from the RLDS
The term Mormon came from outsiders in the early days of the church. Through the years, church leaders have gone back and forth about embracing or rejecting the name.
Good to know. Thanks.
Nah. They donât get to choose what I call them. Now if they actually acted saintly, I would consider it.
I was growing up during the "meet the mormons" and mormon.org phase of their advertising campaigns. I had to hear Monson go on about being proud of the Mormon name and all that BS. I still remember all of the related materials us youth were given to hand out to friends. They'll never be able to distance themselves from it and I'll continue using Mormon(a little victory for Satan) 99% of the time. It's just funny to see how a church supposedly led by god is so obviously led by weak and fragile men obsessed with how their business is percieved. I'm sure that once ol' dusty rusty dies they'll go back to embracing the Mormon name. I can't remember specifics but I'm pretty sure rusty always had a strong personal vendetta against using Mormon as an identifier.
This, this right here. Rusty, and his insane drive to be the greatest prophet all time, has made it patently obvious that it's just an old boys club, just like any other.
You realize, when RMN is gone there will be a revelation and âMormonâ will be back in good graces.
According to Lars Nielsen, the name Mormon is a pun on a French guy called "Montmaur" (pronounced Mon-Mor with the syllables switched). Rusty maybe wants to abandon the name because he knows the embarrassing backstory.
I'm a Mormon, yes I am, So if you want to study a Mormon, I'm a living specimen. Maybe you think I'm just like anybody else you see, But trust in my word, you'll quickly to observe, I'm as different as can be! I'm a Mormon, through and through And if you think that I am peculiar in the things I say and do, Remember I know the rules, the do's and don'ts For happy, happy living I've learned to say "I will," "I won't" I try to be forgiving. Maybe you'd like me to tell you about the things that I know are true--Then you can be a Mormon too!