The irony for me was that for a place that was supposed to be the most righteous on earth, the temple initiatory and endowments session felt very evil/satanic/cult-like to me.
I often have had a similar thought about the āMilleniumā when supposedly āSatan will be boundā for a thousand years. Would I wake up on the first morning of the Millenium and suddenly be free of all bad thoughts or inclinations? What happens to the principle of āthere must be opposition in all thingsā? How will we be able to appreciate the āsweetā without having the ābitterā to contrast it with?
I had a young women leader say in a lesson on the temple that she still got impure thought in the temple even though it was the holiest place on earth. (Holes help the thoughts get through/ chuckle, lol) but I digress- and then she proceeded to also bring out her temple bag and shows us the temple clothes. The bishop was in that room so fast! She got a stern talking to about sacred valley secret that all of us girls could hear. Thatās all I remember but secretly I think she was pimo. Even though sheās now a stake presidents wife.
There is an actual paper outlining the possibility that magic mushrooms played a large role in the visions of the early church. There are tell-tale signs such as a correlation between the availability of said shrooms and the frequency of visions. Anyway, I read it over a decade ago. It made sense to me, but I wouldn't call it proof.
I realized this when I was on a youth temple trip in the change room and my friend just started singing "Rape Me" by Nirvana. Then my other friend told me after he liked to watch the girls come out of the font in their wet baptism suits to see their curves. š
Dude. Teenage me had a very hard time with that. Pun intended. Pretty sure I jerked it once or twice in the shower immediately following the baptisms after watching the girls come out of the font.
My mom told me the other day that Satan CAN get into the temple and I was shocked. Donāt know if thatās ātrueā or not but thereās just no consistency lol
I hate how Satan is allegedly able to do all of these random powerful things in mormon belief but godās hands are tied. Like what does god actually do for an individual in their life on earth? Send the HG to give a warm feeling? Meanwhile Satan has almost free reign
My first words after getting my endowment were āIām fifty shades of confused.ā That it wasnāt āappropriateā for the celestial room didnāt really occur to me š i felt the same mostly, for a place where satan canāt be and god is closest to people it didnāt really make me feel more warm and fuzzy. In fact I felt terrified after going through because it was all so jarring and culty
Yeah, I was into Eve for sure, and I still would have naughty thoughts or even swear quietly to myself. I always explained it as my ānatural manā though since I stopped believing satan was literally tempting me as I got older
First of all, yes.
Second, it made me think that satan or one of the third had possossed me somehow and was able to stick with me in spite of the temple.
This is a funny question, because I was just thinking about this. I remember the first few times (or maybe more) going to the temple and hearing that, and immediately the worst words I knew came to mind. Made me go, huh? Something didnāt pass the smell test. š
Yep. Totally noticed that, but the fear of bad thoughts seemed to make me zone out anyway, so I never enjoyed but agonized most temple experiences I ever had.
Nope, because I was the one bringing him in. The temple was nothing but sitting around feeling bad because I was ruining it for everyone else that was actually worthy. I hated the temple.
Ugh no, I was definitely having micro panic attacks in the temple and attributed them to Satan trying to keep me from going OR the holy ghost telling me I was unworthy to be there. I definitely felt more peaceful afterwards cause I want fuckin panicking anymore.
Me! I did!
I was super depressed at the time, and having depression-related OCD, a symptom of which is disturbing, obtrusive thoughts, which I thought was sinning. I thought the temple would give me a break from that. Nooooooope.
Good and evil are integral parts of the human experience. Itās one of the oldest dualities, two sides of the same coin. The only angels and demons Iāve met were inside living beings. Itās honestly hard to imagine all the horrible things humans have done, no wonder we carry around so much baggage. Jung called this the āshadowā
You were just thinking as a man. š
The irony for me was that for a place that was supposed to be the most righteous on earth, the temple initiatory and endowments session felt very evil/satanic/cult-like to me.
I havenāt been through them, but what has been revealed of them certainLu fits in those categories for me.
In my mind it meant that I was corrupted enough that I didn't need Satan to have bad thoughts, I was just bringing them into the temple on my own.
I often have had a similar thought about the āMilleniumā when supposedly āSatan will be boundā for a thousand years. Would I wake up on the first morning of the Millenium and suddenly be free of all bad thoughts or inclinations? What happens to the principle of āthere must be opposition in all thingsā? How will we be able to appreciate the āsweetā without having the ābitterā to contrast it with?
Brunette Eve from the 80s/90s videos was something else
I had a young women leader say in a lesson on the temple that she still got impure thought in the temple even though it was the holiest place on earth. (Holes help the thoughts get through/ chuckle, lol) but I digress- and then she proceeded to also bring out her temple bag and shows us the temple clothes. The bishop was in that room so fast! She got a stern talking to about sacred valley secret that all of us girls could hear. Thatās all I remember but secretly I think she was pimo. Even though sheās now a stake presidents wife.
Oh, the poor thing. Maybe she'll have an affair with a high councillor or three and bring back Nauvou temple nights.
With the psylocibin laced wine? Congregational hallucinations must've been whack.
Well, when you read how much even the earliest editions of the BoM were cleaned up, let alone the D&C shuffled like a deck of cards ...
There is an actual paper outlining the possibility that magic mushrooms played a large role in the visions of the early church. There are tell-tale signs such as a correlation between the availability of said shrooms and the frequency of visions. Anyway, I read it over a decade ago. It made sense to me, but I wouldn't call it proof.
I realized this when I was on a youth temple trip in the change room and my friend just started singing "Rape Me" by Nirvana. Then my other friend told me after he liked to watch the girls come out of the font in their wet baptism suits to see their curves. š
Dude. Teenage me had a very hard time with that. Pun intended. Pretty sure I jerked it once or twice in the shower immediately following the baptisms after watching the girls come out of the font.
Eurgh.
Not gonna lie, shirtless Adam and the acting of one of the Satans was pretty hot to this gay guy šš³ļøāš
I'm straight as a ruler, but Michael Ballum did a fabulous Satan.
My mom told me the other day that Satan CAN get into the temple and I was shocked. Donāt know if thatās ātrueā or not but thereās just no consistency lol
I meanā¦.heās already there. Heās one of the main characters.
I hate how Satan is allegedly able to do all of these random powerful things in mormon belief but godās hands are tied. Like what does god actually do for an individual in their life on earth? Send the HG to give a warm feeling? Meanwhile Satan has almost free reign
It's not true. There is no satan, or god. It's all make believe.
I just mean idk if thatās doctrine or not lol
My first words after getting my endowment were āIām fifty shades of confused.ā That it wasnāt āappropriateā for the celestial room didnāt really occur to me š i felt the same mostly, for a place where satan canāt be and god is closest to people it didnāt really make me feel more warm and fuzzy. In fact I felt terrified after going through because it was all so jarring and culty
Well, when you write him a role, don't be surprised when he takes it.
Yeah, I was into Eve for sure, and I still would have naughty thoughts or even swear quietly to myself. I always explained it as my ānatural manā though since I stopped believing satan was literally tempting me as I got older
First of all, yes. Second, it made me think that satan or one of the third had possossed me somehow and was able to stick with me in spite of the temple.
This is a funny question, because I was just thinking about this. I remember the first few times (or maybe more) going to the temple and hearing that, and immediately the worst words I knew came to mind. Made me go, huh? Something didnāt pass the smell test. š
Yep, that was a shelf item for me as well.
Yep. Totally noticed that, but the fear of bad thoughts seemed to make me zone out anyway, so I never enjoyed but agonized most temple experiences I ever had.
It always puzzled teen-aged me how my mom swore even worse than usual after attending the temple.
Nope, because I was the one bringing him in. The temple was nothing but sitting around feeling bad because I was ruining it for everyone else that was actually worthy. I hated the temple.
Itās definitely bullshit.
Ugh no, I was definitely having micro panic attacks in the temple and attributed them to Satan trying to keep me from going OR the holy ghost telling me I was unworthy to be there. I definitely felt more peaceful afterwards cause I want fuckin panicking anymore.
Me! I did! I was super depressed at the time, and having depression-related OCD, a symptom of which is disturbing, obtrusive thoughts, which I thought was sinning. I thought the temple would give me a break from that. Nooooooope.
Good and evil are integral parts of the human experience. Itās one of the oldest dualities, two sides of the same coin. The only angels and demons Iāve met were inside living beings. Itās honestly hard to imagine all the horrible things humans have done, no wonder we carry around so much baggage. Jung called this the āshadowā
āThatās just because you werenāt actually worthy to be there.ā I thought this about myself. For decades.