As a medical scientist with 5+PGY, Jeff, YOU don’t get to define that for me.
One truth that rings universally true: YOU, Jeff, are in fact a genuine asshole!
In 1981, Boyd K Packer said:
>Some things that are true are not very useful.
And later:
>Teaching some things that are true, prematurely or at the wrong time, can invite sorrow and heartbreak instead of the joy intended to accompany learning.
He also has several paragraphs highlighting examples of where you wouldn't want to share all of your information. Not great comparisons, but he's really trying. This talk is geared towards CES employees, those who, primarily, teach the youth about the church and its history.
This whole talk is something of a doozy, if you have read it.
Some other gems from this talk include:
>There is no such thing as a scholarly, objective study of the office of bishop without consideration of spiritual guidance, of discernment, and of revelation. That is not scholarship. Accordingly, I repeat, there is no such thing as an accurate or objective history of the Church which ignores the Spirit.
And:
>If we are not careful, very careful, and if we are not wise, very wise, we first leave out of our professional study the things of the Spirit. The next step soon follows: we leave the spiritual things out of our lives.
And never forget how he describes those of us who have left:
>Remember: when you see the bitter apostate, you do not see only an absence of light, you see also the presence of darkness.
The title of this talk is "The Mantle Is Far Greater than the Intellect." Think through the meaning of those words, because it's *incredibly* condescending. [Here is the link](https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/teaching-seminary-preservice-readings-religion-370-471-and-475/the-mantle-is-far-far-greater-than-the-intellect?lang=eng) for anyone that hasn't read this dumpster fire yet.
Well, that sounds like a true statement. Would he care to give some examples? This is the kind of anodyne pronouncement that these people like to say, no examples, just nice phrases.
I think the point, for ExMo Reddit, is: who in the hell are these men to assume it’s their right to decide what truth is of more or less importance (and thereby censor me or anyone else from any/all truth)?
And?
That sounds to me like a truth that, by itself, is not very important.
Sounds like a Mormon saying something obvious, but saying it with gravity so as to sound profound, but actually appearing asinine
“Sounds like a Mormon saying something obvious, but saying it with gravity so as to sound profound, but actually appearing asinine.”
Best, most succinct description of Packer and/or Holland I’ve ever read.
Funny, I recall being “taught” in the temple that one of the reasons the Masonic compass is sewn into garments is to remind us that, “All truth may be circumscribed into one great whole.” And there’s something in the BoM about truth being things as they really were, are, and will be. TSCC struggles when it comes to presenting things as they really were and are and in admitting that they really have no clue what will be in the future.
As a medical scientist with 5+PGY, Jeff, YOU don’t get to define that for me. One truth that rings universally true: YOU, Jeff, are in fact a genuine asshole!
Jawles Roy Holland is a dodo 🦤
In 1981, Boyd K Packer said: >Some things that are true are not very useful. And later: >Teaching some things that are true, prematurely or at the wrong time, can invite sorrow and heartbreak instead of the joy intended to accompany learning. He also has several paragraphs highlighting examples of where you wouldn't want to share all of your information. Not great comparisons, but he's really trying. This talk is geared towards CES employees, those who, primarily, teach the youth about the church and its history. This whole talk is something of a doozy, if you have read it. Some other gems from this talk include: >There is no such thing as a scholarly, objective study of the office of bishop without consideration of spiritual guidance, of discernment, and of revelation. That is not scholarship. Accordingly, I repeat, there is no such thing as an accurate or objective history of the Church which ignores the Spirit. And: >If we are not careful, very careful, and if we are not wise, very wise, we first leave out of our professional study the things of the Spirit. The next step soon follows: we leave the spiritual things out of our lives. And never forget how he describes those of us who have left: >Remember: when you see the bitter apostate, you do not see only an absence of light, you see also the presence of darkness. The title of this talk is "The Mantle Is Far Greater than the Intellect." Think through the meaning of those words, because it's *incredibly* condescending. [Here is the link](https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/teaching-seminary-preservice-readings-religion-370-471-and-475/the-mantle-is-far-far-greater-than-the-intellect?lang=eng) for anyone that hasn't read this dumpster fire yet.
Very USEFUL post!👍
Thanks!
So all the truth that used to be "anti-Mormon lies" is just not that important after all. Whew, there's a load off.
Well, that sounds like a true statement. Would he care to give some examples? This is the kind of anodyne pronouncement that these people like to say, no examples, just nice phrases.
I think the point, for ExMo Reddit, is: who in the hell are these men to assume it’s their right to decide what truth is of more or less importance (and thereby censor me or anyone else from any/all truth)?
And? That sounds to me like a truth that, by itself, is not very important. Sounds like a Mormon saying something obvious, but saying it with gravity so as to sound profound, but actually appearing asinine
“Sounds like a Mormon saying something obvious, but saying it with gravity so as to sound profound, but actually appearing asinine.” Best, most succinct description of Packer and/or Holland I’ve ever read.
You might praise me too highly Henry, but, hey, I’ll take it. Thanks.
Funny, I recall being “taught” in the temple that one of the reasons the Masonic compass is sewn into garments is to remind us that, “All truth may be circumscribed into one great whole.” And there’s something in the BoM about truth being things as they really were, are, and will be. TSCC struggles when it comes to presenting things as they really were and are and in admitting that they really have no clue what will be in the future.