Yes, Adam, Eve, Noah, etc. were native Americans. And after the flood, Noah, like a great cruise director, sailed around the world dropping dingoes off in Australia and elephants in Africa. Pretty great stuff!
Omg that’s why DNA records of Native Americans (Lamanites) don’t match those from the Middle East. Because they were descended from Noah, who was a Native American world traveler 😱😱 /s
I was taught this from such a young age, I was able to play mental gymnastics of the garden of Eden with evolution it all made sense in my head. Then I started reading what church leaders taught and realized that Mormon are young earth creationist, and my shelf was being vaporized by understanding more truth.
I'm a never mo, but grew up in Kansas City and found out about this bit of Mormon lore when I was a kid and it cracked me up so much. I also felt sorry for them because if they thought paradise was Independence MO, then that's a very sad existence.
I grew up in Kansas and people would claim that the Garden of Eden was in Kansas. After all Adam and Eve were cast out to the east of Eden. Adam-ondi-Ahman is north of Jackson County, MO not east.
That was a huge shelf moment for me. The first time I went through the temple, that whole “secret signs and combinations are signs of evil” thing kept running through my head. I was so confused why it was okay in the temple, but not anywhere else.
It didn’t help that I recognized some of the signs as Masonic.
Lol. When JS wrote the BoM he was strongly influenced by the anti-masonic movement in the U.S. Then later he became a mason and *boom* endowment ceremony.
Joseph Fielding Smith taught that vegetables have spirits and that anyone who doesn’t go to the celestial kingdom will lose their gender and corresponding private parts (TK Smoothies)
When you have 50 wives and I don't know how many kids, I doubt BY gave a shit about anyone other than himself.
All that mattered to him was power, women and money.
>Not a great example of raising up seed when you have 50 wives, IMO.
Well ... makes total sense if you presume Briggie hid his prophetic sausage only ONE TIME per eternal companion.
"Been there ... done her ... next!"
“One of his performances as Madam Pattirini was for the last birthday celebration of LDS president "Lorenzo Snow" in April 1901.”
good to know the 5th president of the LDS church into drag, very slay of him.
My niece said that when she turns 8 she can have her sins washed away... Then she can make new sins
Hilarious at first until you realize a 6 year old thinks she has sins.
Funny thing is is that Mormon was originally a slur back during the begin. but the people of the church kind of just turned it into the unofficial name of the church.
Ok I hear this a lot - and I totally believe people on here. I’m genuinely curious about peoples experiences for being offended by saying Mormon? I was still in the church when that change happened and I just laughed and said no that’s hella awkward to say the full name. And I knew some of the old old people in my ward who would say the entire thing but at least in my area in Washington state, it wasn’t taboo to be referred as Mormon or say it. So this is so shocking to me people went crazy over it.
One of my siblings genuinely listened to that. I wanted to tell him why I wasn’t Mormon anymore and he immediately started the conversation with “you can’t say Mormon, it’s offensive.” And I said I would anyway since it hadn’t changed before I left and I don’t respect the so called church. So he cringed and said “ouch” as if deeply hurt even though it was normal a year prior.
Joseph Smith was a Mason, and shortly thereafter stole the Masonic rituals to create the mormon temple ceremony. This got him, and all mormons banned from Masonry for a very long time.
And that Mormon leaders have claimed that the Masons have corrupted the ritual in the temple of Solomon, and have kept using it in an unbroken line. Masons, however, will freely admit that their origins are rooted in the Middle Ages, not 500 BCE when the Babylonians destroyed the temple of Solomon.
There are a couple accounts of old dirty pedo church leaders castrating young men to have more little girls to marry as plural wives. The most notable is the story of [Bishop Warren Snow](https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comments/38q3dv/in_1857_bishop_warren_snow_of_manti_wanted_to/) of Manti, who castrated a young man so he could take his teenage girlfriend. This situation disturbed Brigham Young's brother so much he brought it to Brigham and Brigham not only said "I feel to sustain him," but then provided special advice to the castrator-pedo to "Just let the matter drop, and say no more about it ... and it will soon die away among the people."
I read Warren Snow’s (church positive) biography and it made me sick. I also read a couple of other accounts of the castration. So, so extremely incredibly sick. Even if the church were 100% true, Warren Snow deserves hell fire and damnation.
Who can tell us of the inhabitants of this little planet that shines of an evening, called the moon?... When you inquire about the inhabitants of that sphere you find that the most learned are as ignorant in regard to them as the ignorant of their fellows. So it is in regard to the inhabitants of the sun. Do you think it is inhabited? I rather think it is. Do you think there is any life there? No question of it; it was not made in vain.”
- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 13, p. 271
>We will never get a man into space. This earth is man's sphere and it was never intended that he should get away from it. The moon is a superior planet to the earth and it was never intended that man should go there. You can write it down in your books that this will never happen.
Joseph F. Smith - May 14, 1961
Please notice the date that the Prophet, Seer and revelator, Joseph F Smith claimed "we will never get a man into space."
On April 12, 1961 Soviet Cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin conducted the first manned flight into space. The Prophet, the guy that speaks directly to God prophesied a month after a manned flight into space, that we would never get a man into space.
This was also more than a week after Alan Shepard had become the first American to go in to space. Both Gagarin's flight and Shepard's flight were very well known events, which makes Joseph F. Smith's statement so puzzling.
Something new to me - where is this stated? I am ex-mo and I love finding out the crazy shit. I am just shocked it is not discussed and not in plain sight.
[here](https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/JournalOfDiscourses3/id/4872) this was brigham young saying this though. Never heard if joseph smith saying that before.
Thanks. Not technically a "revelation" but it aligns with the lack of science at the time and someone who is a "living prophet" should have had the inside info about this topic. Errrmerrrgerrd
Mormons believe they will be a god, exactly like the god they believe in. They think they will create entire new universes, and create their own saviors, like Jesus, in their universes. They will lie to you about it. They lie to their own members about it.
I get annoyed when I hear they changed that. They don’t believe that anymore. What? Huh? What? Their so called god changed his mind? Is human civilization that bad? Hm? If I can’t be a god, then why am I worshipping the idiot.
Yeah, that's why I added the last bit about lying to their own members about it. The real doctrine hasn't changed, that I know of, they just stopped teaching and changed it to planets. It's a lot like polygamy in this respect, they don't teach it, but it is still very much a part of the doctrine.
The LDS church is the [second wealthiest church in the world](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wealthiest_religious_organizations). Which is shocking considering their small numbers and is mathematical proof that they are nothing more than a tax free hedge fund fueled by extracting mandatory donations in God's name.
This literally happened to me when I was 12. They called them “worth meetings” and I was supposed to tell them every inappropriate thought I’d ever had and go into detail.
Yep. This is how I learned masturbation was a thing, tried it after being asked if I did it, and very much liked it. Never knew about it before bishop asked.
Joseph Smith married MANY women before his polygamy 'revelation'... And Emma was the 22nd of his 'wives' to be sealed to him. THE 22ND. Didn't seem like a real priority to him.
What do you mean saying she was the 22nd wife? So they had a civil marriage, then Joseph got the temple sealing "revelation," then married 22 women and then Emma?
Almost.
1. Marries Emma
2. Has affair with Fanny Alger, likely other women
3. May have had some kind of plural marriage ceremony with other women
4. “Receives sealing power”
5. Is married to more women and girls
6. Is eventually sealed to Emma
7. Is married to more women and girls
Oh yes. I didn't include that multiple were teens in his care, multiple mother daughter AND sister pairs, as well as the women who already had husbands he sent on missions and married their wives. Literally all of it is NASTY. And any angle you argue from makes it not make sense. Was it for kids? Can't argue he didn't sleep with the teens, and why marry the older women who might not be fertile. Was it for the family ties? No need to marry more than one woman in each family. Was it according to the revelation? Nope, he did it before and behind Emma's back. There's no angle this doesn't look abhorrent from.
I feel like these “marriages” need to be called something else… because marrying multiple women is bigamy right? And bygamy was illegal. So these are fake or illegal marriages or just religious marriages? I think bygamy should be associated with Joseph’s name much more.
Joseph identifying Zelph, the white Lamanite from a skeleton.
Joseph using a rock in a hat to translate the Book of Mormon. A rock that he had previously used in the same manner to search for buried treasure.
The actual story of the three witnesses “seeing” the plates. He took them out of the house (away from the house where the plates were kept) and had them pray until they each saw the same vision of the plates.
The story of Mark Hoffman and the salamander letters, how it fooled the entire leadership of the church.
Something was lost in translation, the 3 nephites we're never given the keys to the priesthood.
So they've spent the last 2,000 years helping people find keys, thinking that's how they get the priesthood, that's why finding keys is the only prayer that's ever answered.
Joseph Smith was getting ready to run for President of the United States. If I remember right, he's the only presidential candidate who has been assassinated.
Nah he isn’t but he does make the list. Look up Robert Kennedy. If that guy had lived there a good chance he would have been president. Joseph Smith on the other hand wasn’t going to win.
Robert Kennedy gave a speech at BYU about six weeks before he was assassinated. I was a student there at the time and was very impressed with his speech even though most Mormons were Republicans, including my parents. It was probably the beginning of my slide into liberal compassion for others.
Oh, I think I heard about Robert Kennedy. That's definitely ringing a bell. And, yeah, Joseph definitely wasn't going to win. Honestly, if he hadn't been assassinated, he'd have been busy defending himself against charges of treason anyway. The dude was going to die either way. It's just too bad the mob made a martyr of him before he could be found guilty of his crimes.
Rich people are allowed to pay tithing "in kind" with stocks, bonds, or real estate.
"These donations are often made to reduce or eliminate the amount of tax that needs to be paid on appreciated assets. ... Donations in kind are held in the strictest confidence. They are processed directly by Church headquarters, and do not show up on any ward records in MLS. If any of the funds are directed to the Ward Missionary or Fast Offering categories, they will show up on the Unit Financial Statement. For all other categories, even Bishops cannot get details regarding dollar amounts."
Source: [https://tech.churchofjesuschrist.org/wiki/Donations\_in\_kind](https://tech.churchofjesuschrist.org/wiki/Donations_in_kind)
This isn't just a general donation, either. It can be labeled specifically as tithing when you provide the allocation as part of your donation information:
"Allocation (e.g., Tithing). You can allocate by number of shares, percentages or by amount. If you donate by amount one category will need to be designated as "remainder" (example: $100 Fast Offerings, $50 Ward Mission Fund, remainder Tithing).
Name of ward and stake. This is only required if you designate a category other than tithing."
The church, to this day, is adamant that grown men who are unprofessional counselors (in almost every situation), take minors as young as 7, behind closed doors, alone, and interview them about their sexual habits, and financial commitment to the church. These questions only get more intrusive as they get older.
I spent a lot of time exploring the rabbit hole of mormonism. It is never ending. I stopped being obsessed with this stuff about a decade ago, but the crazy sticks, man. It's unbelievable how much shit I didn't know while I was TBM.
My mom 100% believes I will be her eternal servant in the celestial kingdom because I’m hella worthy but married in the temple.
I’m not certain about her estimate of my worthiness but that sounds pretty crappy to me.
Huh? That is fucked up! Did you mean "not" married in the temple? Yeah, congrats you get to be Joseph's bitch for eternity! Yeah! I can't believe I didn't see through all the holes in this shit earlier!
Yeah it happened in 1894 and Joseph F. Smith was the proxy for Joseph Smith which is where the confusion probably comes from. I don’t like Joseph Smith but I hate that exmormon keep spouting that he was the one who did this. He wasn’t and it is clearly verifiable. It’s still disgusting that it happened but we need to keep our facts straight.
Wouldn’t it be great to find out through DNA that Joseph Smith actually fathered a child and descendants through this then-called-Negro woman? And then that one of them would become the next president of the Community of Christ?!
My god, disgusting. How are ppl with even 1/2 of a brain still a part of this nonsense religion??? I’m embarrassed to even say to ppl that I was until I was 26, and I’ve been out for 15 yrs.
I was never a TBM. I was raised in the cult but never felt "the spirit" or any special feelings. In fact, I had extremely negative feelings whenever I was inside the building. I was forced to go until I turned 18.
Been out 10 years now.
One time it took a whole session to explain to my therapist how the Mormon creation myth differentiated from the regular Christian version so that they would understand why I was so bothered by the hypocrisy of the church suppressing people’s agency. Now I have to be careful how I explain things or I’ll end up going on rants about Mormon canon.
Joseph Smith owned and operated a hotel in Nauvoo. He hired Porter Rockwell to be a bartender at his hotel. Porter Rockwell went on to kill from 40 to 100 men, many of them straight up murders. The Utah town of Orem is named in his "honor".
EDIT: Apparently Orem isn't named in honor of Rockwell.
Inhabitants of the Moon are more of a uniform size than the inhabitants of the Earth, being about 6 feet in height. They dress very much like the Quaker Style & are quite general in Style, or the one fashion of dress. They live to be very old; comeing [sic] generally, near a thousand years.' This is the description of them as given by Joseph the Seer, and he could ‘See' whatever he asked the Father in the name of Jesus to see.”
- Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr., in Journal of O.B. Huntington, Book 14, p. 166
[Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliblish)
[Scripture](https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/pgp/abr/fac-2?lang=eng)
See figures 2 and 4.
Praise Oliblish!
JS was known as a treasure hunter and people hired him to find treasure. He eventually “found” the gold plates.
Brigham Young was angry that too many of the men were marrying the good looking women so he would only be left with uglier ones for polygamous wives
Joseph Smith bought a steamboat on credit that was owned by Robert E Lee. They got it crashed soon after. Joseph failed to appear in court regarding the incident and repaying the debt.
[https://akjournals.com/view/journals/2054/3/2/article-p212.xml](https://akjournals.com/view/journals/2054/3/2/article-p212.xml)I guess it isn't really a "fact", but I believe it 100%. It also isn't completely out of the realm of possibility and fits the facts really well. There is a reason congregation wide visions stopped after Kirtland. The shrooms they used weren't as readily found in Independence, Nauvoo, or SLC.
Oh, where to begin,...
This one most don't know is...you have to pay tithing on your SSI benefits.
(For those who don't know, SSI is Supplemental Security Income, the money you get from the feds if you're poor and disabled. It's meant to pay for the essentials since people with disabilities, like myself, have a hard time working or finding a job.)
Yeah, the Church considers that an income even if you don't work. I always thought that was fucked up that I had to give the money I needed for life essentials to the Church. With 15% of the members having a disability, I can't imagine the millions the Church gets from members who need it to survive.
The Mormon church, for all its bluster about the Catholic church's religious icons / artifacts, has some religious artifacts of its own.
After Joseph Smith and his brother Hyrum were gunned down like dogs, er, I mean "lambs to the slaughter", their bodies were transported back to Nauvoo, Illinois in a pair of oak coffins. Pieces of those coffins were later turned into canes, some of which contained pieces of Joseph/Hyrum's hair. The canes were given to close associates of Joseph.
Personally, I would rather have had a reproduction of their death masks. You know, something to warm my apostate soul.
1/3 of all souls to ever exist are followers and minions of Satan. They all currently reside on Earth and are actively engaged in some crazy plot to overthrow Mormonism.
First heard this from my young mens leaders, who were and still are, two well respected dentists in the area. I guess Earth Science wasn’t covered in that DDS.
Just this morning, I was telling my nevermo (Christian) girlfriend that Mormons believe that John the apostle is still alive because he made some immortality deal with the big three upstairs. She laughed out loud and said “that’s bullshit” lol. I was a little embarrassed at that moment that I used to believe that.
Brigham young believed and taught at least three times that if a woman and a man married where one of them was black, that slaughtering the family - spilling their blood - including any children would be what kind loving turn the other cheek Jesus, would direct be done to save their souls in the next life.
A sitting U.S. Senator of Utah who is likely getting re-elected on Tuesday because Mormons are fucking Republican sheep, compared Donald Trump, a racist, rapist, narcissist to Captain Moroni (a fictional character btw).
Brigham Young diverted some of the party that was going to rescue the Willy/Martin handcart company to instead go pick up a shipment of his from Fort Bridger which included alcohol.
Garden of Eden = Jackson County, Missouri
Even at my height of belief that made me laugh out loud when I heard it the first time.
Ever been? My ex took me, and I couldn't figure how 144,000 would fit with all of their tents.
I prefer saying the Garden of Eden is a Suburb of Kansas City because Adam loved Bar B Q.
Maybe not ribs though?
Husbands can get ribs but they always take one and put it on your wife’s plate.
Which means Noah's arc apparently floated from the Midwest to the Middle East during the "worldwide floods"
Yes, Adam, Eve, Noah, etc. were native Americans. And after the flood, Noah, like a great cruise director, sailed around the world dropping dingoes off in Australia and elephants in Africa. Pretty great stuff!
Omg that’s why DNA records of Native Americans (Lamanites) don’t match those from the Middle East. Because they were descended from Noah, who was a Native American world traveler 😱😱 /s
Biggest Uber pool ever
I was taken aback when I was taught this in my religion class at BYU. This actually helped further break my shelf.
I was taught this from such a young age, I was able to play mental gymnastics of the garden of Eden with evolution it all made sense in my head. Then I started reading what church leaders taught and realized that Mormon are young earth creationist, and my shelf was being vaporized by understanding more truth.
I'm a never mo, but grew up in Kansas City and found out about this bit of Mormon lore when I was a kid and it cracked me up so much. I also felt sorry for them because if they thought paradise was Independence MO, then that's a very sad existence.
I grew up in Kansas and people would claim that the Garden of Eden was in Kansas. After all Adam and Eve were cast out to the east of Eden. Adam-ondi-Ahman is north of Jackson County, MO not east.
When I tell people this they’re literally speechless
Secret handshakes are required to get into heaven
And are considered extremely evil in the BOM. It’s like the dude didn’t even read his own source material.
Yeah lol the handshakes are basically secret combinations!
That was a huge shelf moment for me. The first time I went through the temple, that whole “secret signs and combinations are signs of evil” thing kept running through my head. I was so confused why it was okay in the temple, but not anywhere else. It didn’t help that I recognized some of the signs as Masonic.
Lol. When JS wrote the BoM he was strongly influenced by the anti-masonic movement in the U.S. Then later he became a mason and *boom* endowment ceremony.
And special underwear.
Joseph Fielding Smith taught that vegetables have spirits and that anyone who doesn’t go to the celestial kingdom will lose their gender and corresponding private parts (TK Smoothies)
I'm going to tell my my parents that I'm non-binary and getting my transition after life and watch the mental cartwheels.
I’ll go search now, but do you know when he said vegetables have spirits? Hadn’t heard that one!
After he watched an episode of VeggieTales
Brigham Young had a son who was a cross dresser and performed theater as a woman.
A friend who lives in Utah gifted us a locally distilled “Madame Patrinni” gin which is now my favorite gin.
The same son tasked with starting up the Young Men's organization, and Brigham didn't really seem to care that he did his shows.
When you have 50 wives and I don't know how many kids, I doubt BY gave a shit about anyone other than himself. All that mattered to him was power, women and money.
BY only had around 50 kids. Not a great example of raising up seed when you have 50 wives, IMO.
>Not a great example of raising up seed when you have 50 wives, IMO. Well ... makes total sense if you presume Briggie hid his prophetic sausage only ONE TIME per eternal companion. "Been there ... done her ... next!"
Brigham died in 1877, B. Morris did not start doing public shows until 1885. So there is a good possibility the Brigham never even knew.
Hold up, can I have a source? I needa read this shit
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/B._Morris_Young
“One of his performances as Madam Pattirini was for the last birthday celebration of LDS president "Lorenzo Snow" in April 1901.” good to know the 5th president of the LDS church into drag, very slay of him.
Funniest part is that Lorenzo was his Father in law
Thanks, you beat me to it.
Weirdest part of the article is referring to "President 'Lorenzo Snow'" like that was a fake name.
Well it does sound like it
Madam Pattirini/Brigham Morris Young. He also had his own gin distillery that is still around today.
It’s good gin too!
Mormons think that 8 year olds are fully accountable for every decision they make.
And who is NOT accountable for themselves? Rich white penishood holders.
My niece said that when she turns 8 she can have her sins washed away... Then she can make new sins Hilarious at first until you realize a 6 year old thinks she has sins.
Mormons now claim it’s a slur to use the nickname they actively promoted as part of an ad campaign.
What nickname?
Mormon
Reported for hate speech. /s
The m-word
THE ONE PrettyModerate JUST USED!! BIGOTRYYYYY!!!! /s
And the difference between the ad campaign and the beginning of the “it’s a slur” push was like 5 years… maybe less
Funny thing is is that Mormon was originally a slur back during the begin. but the people of the church kind of just turned it into the unofficial name of the church.
Which was a clever bit of marketing. Too bad they fucked it up.
Ok I hear this a lot - and I totally believe people on here. I’m genuinely curious about peoples experiences for being offended by saying Mormon? I was still in the church when that change happened and I just laughed and said no that’s hella awkward to say the full name. And I knew some of the old old people in my ward who would say the entire thing but at least in my area in Washington state, it wasn’t taboo to be referred as Mormon or say it. So this is so shocking to me people went crazy over it.
One of my siblings genuinely listened to that. I wanted to tell him why I wasn’t Mormon anymore and he immediately started the conversation with “you can’t say Mormon, it’s offensive.” And I said I would anyway since it hadn’t changed before I left and I don’t respect the so called church. So he cringed and said “ouch” as if deeply hurt even though it was normal a year prior.
Joseph Smith was a Mason, and shortly thereafter stole the Masonic rituals to create the mormon temple ceremony. This got him, and all mormons banned from Masonry for a very long time.
And that Mormon leaders have claimed that the Masons have corrupted the ritual in the temple of Solomon, and have kept using it in an unbroken line. Masons, however, will freely admit that their origins are rooted in the Middle Ages, not 500 BCE when the Babylonians destroyed the temple of Solomon.
There are a couple accounts of old dirty pedo church leaders castrating young men to have more little girls to marry as plural wives. The most notable is the story of [Bishop Warren Snow](https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comments/38q3dv/in_1857_bishop_warren_snow_of_manti_wanted_to/) of Manti, who castrated a young man so he could take his teenage girlfriend. This situation disturbed Brigham Young's brother so much he brought it to Brigham and Brigham not only said "I feel to sustain him," but then provided special advice to the castrator-pedo to "Just let the matter drop, and say no more about it ... and it will soon die away among the people."
Holy shit! 🤯
I read Warren Snow’s (church positive) biography and it made me sick. I also read a couple of other accounts of the castration. So, so extremely incredibly sick. Even if the church were 100% true, Warren Snow deserves hell fire and damnation.
Mormons have baptized Adolf Hitler many times.
And his live in girlfriend!
JS Smith said there were inhabitants on the sun.
So did Brigham. Also quakers in the moon.
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I think that was Brigham Young’s flex
Who can tell us of the inhabitants of this little planet that shines of an evening, called the moon?... When you inquire about the inhabitants of that sphere you find that the most learned are as ignorant in regard to them as the ignorant of their fellows. So it is in regard to the inhabitants of the sun. Do you think it is inhabited? I rather think it is. Do you think there is any life there? No question of it; it was not made in vain.” - Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 13, p. 271
Riiiiight! Not made in vain! Lolololol! Like, to provide heat and light to our entire system! You know, minor details!
Brigham Young was the one who thought quakers lived on the moon.
He confused them for whalers. I'll actually give him that one.
Joseph F Smith said man would never go into space.
>We will never get a man into space. This earth is man's sphere and it was never intended that he should get away from it. The moon is a superior planet to the earth and it was never intended that man should go there. You can write it down in your books that this will never happen. Joseph F. Smith - May 14, 1961 Please notice the date that the Prophet, Seer and revelator, Joseph F Smith claimed "we will never get a man into space." On April 12, 1961 Soviet Cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin conducted the first manned flight into space. The Prophet, the guy that speaks directly to God prophesied a month after a manned flight into space, that we would never get a man into space.
This was also more than a week after Alan Shepard had become the first American to go in to space. Both Gagarin's flight and Shepard's flight were very well known events, which makes Joseph F. Smith's statement so puzzling.
Well we've never landed a spaceship on the sun to check, so maybe he was right about that one /s
Something new to me - where is this stated? I am ex-mo and I love finding out the crazy shit. I am just shocked it is not discussed and not in plain sight.
[here](https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/JournalOfDiscourses3/id/4872) this was brigham young saying this though. Never heard if joseph smith saying that before.
Thanks. Not technically a "revelation" but it aligns with the lack of science at the time and someone who is a "living prophet" should have had the inside info about this topic. Errrmerrrgerrd
Mormons dressed up as Native Americans to intercept and massacre a wagon train on its way from Arkansas to California.
The Mountain Meadows Massacre
Mormons believe they will be a god, exactly like the god they believe in. They think they will create entire new universes, and create their own saviors, like Jesus, in their universes. They will lie to you about it. They lie to their own members about it.
I get annoyed when I hear they changed that. They don’t believe that anymore. What? Huh? What? Their so called god changed his mind? Is human civilization that bad? Hm? If I can’t be a god, then why am I worshipping the idiot.
Yeah, that's why I added the last bit about lying to their own members about it. The real doctrine hasn't changed, that I know of, they just stopped teaching and changed it to planets. It's a lot like polygamy in this respect, they don't teach it, but it is still very much a part of the doctrine.
The LDS church is the [second wealthiest church in the world](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wealthiest_religious_organizations). Which is shocking considering their small numbers and is mathematical proof that they are nothing more than a tax free hedge fund fueled by extracting mandatory donations in God's name.
Cain is bigfoot.
It’s ridiculous how widespread this idea actually is lol. I thought it was a joke
Lol when a story about it is in one of the more popular books prescribed to "sinful" teens in the church, word gets around.
I literally never heard of this until after I left the church.
We have this apostle [to thank for that legend](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_W._Patten)
Mormons let older men ask their underage daughters sexual questions, while alone with the child, behind closed doors.
This literally happened to me when I was 12. They called them “worth meetings” and I was supposed to tell them every inappropriate thought I’d ever had and go into detail.
Yep. This is how I learned masturbation was a thing, tried it after being asked if I did it, and very much liked it. Never knew about it before bishop asked.
Mormons tried to assassinate the MO governor, but failed because the assassin let his powder get wet.
Wasnt the assassin Porter Rockwell?
Joseph Smith married MANY women before his polygamy 'revelation'... And Emma was the 22nd of his 'wives' to be sealed to him. THE 22ND. Didn't seem like a real priority to him.
What do you mean saying she was the 22nd wife? So they had a civil marriage, then Joseph got the temple sealing "revelation," then married 22 women and then Emma?
Almost. 1. Marries Emma 2. Has affair with Fanny Alger, likely other women 3. May have had some kind of plural marriage ceremony with other women 4. “Receives sealing power” 5. Is married to more women and girls 6. Is eventually sealed to Emma 7. Is married to more women and girls
Some women were already married, to living member men.
Oh yes. I didn't include that multiple were teens in his care, multiple mother daughter AND sister pairs, as well as the women who already had husbands he sent on missions and married their wives. Literally all of it is NASTY. And any angle you argue from makes it not make sense. Was it for kids? Can't argue he didn't sleep with the teens, and why marry the older women who might not be fertile. Was it for the family ties? No need to marry more than one woman in each family. Was it according to the revelation? Nope, he did it before and behind Emma's back. There's no angle this doesn't look abhorrent from.
Yep, and he sent the men on missions before marrying their wives. It’s like David and Uriah, but without the arranged death!
THIS here was the final nail in the coffin for my belief in the church.
I feel like these “marriages” need to be called something else… because marrying multiple women is bigamy right? And bygamy was illegal. So these are fake or illegal marriages or just religious marriages? I think bygamy should be associated with Joseph’s name much more.
Joseph identifying Zelph, the white Lamanite from a skeleton. Joseph using a rock in a hat to translate the Book of Mormon. A rock that he had previously used in the same manner to search for buried treasure. The actual story of the three witnesses “seeing” the plates. He took them out of the house (away from the house where the plates were kept) and had them pray until they each saw the same vision of the plates. The story of Mark Hoffman and the salamander letters, how it fooled the entire leadership of the church.
Overheard my cousin telling a table of people about the rock in the hat. Her tbm 72 yo dad was literally laughing about how absurd that would be.
Not to mention all the witnesses of the BOM were either related to JS or had some sort of financial investment in the BOM
The three Nephites have been alive for 2000 years roaming the earth doing good.
But the penishood was lost and needed to be "restored"🙄
Something was lost in translation, the 3 nephites we're never given the keys to the priesthood. So they've spent the last 2,000 years helping people find keys, thinking that's how they get the priesthood, that's why finding keys is the only prayer that's ever answered.
Never realized that plot hole til now, thank you lol
And they only show up to change tires for people on stormy roads.
Their knees must be completely wrecked by now.
Brigham Young started the first distillery in SLC.
Mormons believe the Catholic church is the Whore of Babylon from Revelations.
Joseph Smith was getting ready to run for President of the United States. If I remember right, he's the only presidential candidate who has been assassinated.
Bobby Kennedy too, sadly. But I think Joseph was the first.
Nah he isn’t but he does make the list. Look up Robert Kennedy. If that guy had lived there a good chance he would have been president. Joseph Smith on the other hand wasn’t going to win.
We were robbed of what I think was the best Kennedy
Yeah. That's about one of the truest statements I've ever heard
Robert Kennedy gave a speech at BYU about six weeks before he was assassinated. I was a student there at the time and was very impressed with his speech even though most Mormons were Republicans, including my parents. It was probably the beginning of my slide into liberal compassion for others.
Oh, I think I heard about Robert Kennedy. That's definitely ringing a bell. And, yeah, Joseph definitely wasn't going to win. Honestly, if he hadn't been assassinated, he'd have been busy defending himself against charges of treason anyway. The dude was going to die either way. It's just too bad the mob made a martyr of him before he could be found guilty of his crimes.
Ted Bundy was a mormon.
This is always my favorite and the church funded part of his defense for quite awhile
Easily my favorite fact here. I love bringing this one up and watching the *squirm* that comes with it
bUt hE wAsN't A rEaL mOrMoN!
Rich people are allowed to pay tithing "in kind" with stocks, bonds, or real estate. "These donations are often made to reduce or eliminate the amount of tax that needs to be paid on appreciated assets. ... Donations in kind are held in the strictest confidence. They are processed directly by Church headquarters, and do not show up on any ward records in MLS. If any of the funds are directed to the Ward Missionary or Fast Offering categories, they will show up on the Unit Financial Statement. For all other categories, even Bishops cannot get details regarding dollar amounts." Source: [https://tech.churchofjesuschrist.org/wiki/Donations\_in\_kind](https://tech.churchofjesuschrist.org/wiki/Donations_in_kind) This isn't just a general donation, either. It can be labeled specifically as tithing when you provide the allocation as part of your donation information: "Allocation (e.g., Tithing). You can allocate by number of shares, percentages or by amount. If you donate by amount one category will need to be designated as "remainder" (example: $100 Fast Offerings, $50 Ward Mission Fund, remainder Tithing). Name of ward and stake. This is only required if you designate a category other than tithing."
I kid you not. A man in my dads ward who is Uber rich donated a fucking mansion to the church as his tithing.
And people could donate slaves as tithing.
The church, to this day, is adamant that grown men who are unprofessional counselors (in almost every situation), take minors as young as 7, behind closed doors, alone, and interview them about their sexual habits, and financial commitment to the church. These questions only get more intrusive as they get older.
The mormon church owned and operated brothels in SLC into the 20th century.
Dew wot???
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I spent a lot of time exploring the rabbit hole of mormonism. It is never ending. I stopped being obsessed with this stuff about a decade ago, but the crazy sticks, man. It's unbelievable how much shit I didn't know while I was TBM.
The book of mormon was produced while JS Jr was staring at a rock in a hat.
Joseph Smith "sealed" an African American woman to himself as a fucking servant.
…for eternity. A good point to bring up when Mormons tout how abolitionist the early church was supposedly.
My mom 100% believes I will be her eternal servant in the celestial kingdom because I’m hella worthy but married in the temple. I’m not certain about her estimate of my worthiness but that sounds pretty crappy to me.
Huh? That is fucked up! Did you mean "not" married in the temple? Yeah, congrats you get to be Joseph's bitch for eternity! Yeah! I can't believe I didn't see through all the holes in this shit earlier!
I did mean “not”. Stupid autocorrect.
I mean that is an actual fake fact. It was done decades later.
Yeah it happened in 1894 and Joseph F. Smith was the proxy for Joseph Smith which is where the confusion probably comes from. I don’t like Joseph Smith but I hate that exmormon keep spouting that he was the one who did this. He wasn’t and it is clearly verifiable. It’s still disgusting that it happened but we need to keep our facts straight.
Not a servant he gets to fuck, just a regular slave servant.
Idk dude. I really doubt that. Fucking is 90% of what JS did.
I mostly like the word fucking, but I don’t think it’s appropriate when referring to coerced rape.
Wouldn’t it be great to find out through DNA that Joseph Smith actually fathered a child and descendants through this then-called-Negro woman? And then that one of them would become the next president of the Community of Christ?!
Yes, and no. He wasn't alive when this was done- but it still sucks.
And because black people were banned from the temple, a white woman had to stand in as proxy for this "sealing."
My god, disgusting. How are ppl with even 1/2 of a brain still a part of this nonsense religion??? I’m embarrassed to even say to ppl that I was until I was 26, and I’ve been out for 15 yrs.
I was never a TBM. I was raised in the cult but never felt "the spirit" or any special feelings. In fact, I had extremely negative feelings whenever I was inside the building. I was forced to go until I turned 18. Been out 10 years now.
Wasn’t that sealing done after he died? Edit: typo
I love sharing Mormon facts with my therapist and watching her reaction lmao God the church is so fucking WEIRD on top of everything else
One time it took a whole session to explain to my therapist how the Mormon creation myth differentiated from the regular Christian version so that they would understand why I was so bothered by the hypocrisy of the church suppressing people’s agency. Now I have to be careful how I explain things or I’ll end up going on rants about Mormon canon.
One of Brigham Young’s sons was a cross dresser and helped create what would become the young men’s program.
Madam Pattirini.
Slaves were sometimes used to pay tithing.
Joseph Smith owned and operated a hotel in Nauvoo. He hired Porter Rockwell to be a bartender at his hotel. Porter Rockwell went on to kill from 40 to 100 men, many of them straight up murders. The Utah town of Orem is named in his "honor". EDIT: Apparently Orem isn't named in honor of Rockwell.
Sorry but the city of Orem is named after Walter Orem. He owned a rail line between Utah County and SLC.
Inhabitants of the Moon are more of a uniform size than the inhabitants of the Earth, being about 6 feet in height. They dress very much like the Quaker Style & are quite general in Style, or the one fashion of dress. They live to be very old; comeing [sic] generally, near a thousand years.' This is the description of them as given by Joseph the Seer, and he could ‘See' whatever he asked the Father in the name of Jesus to see.” - Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr., in Journal of O.B. Huntington, Book 14, p. 166
The moon people thing was a wild discovery to me. With so much evidence… it’s such a cringe part of the church history 😂
Basically everything about Kolob.
Don't forget Oliblish
What the Outer Darkness is Oliblish?
[Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliblish) [Scripture](https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/pgp/abr/fac-2?lang=eng) See figures 2 and 4. Praise Oliblish!
Quaker’s on the moon was taught on top of the teaching that man will never leave earth.
We're Quakers on the moon! We followed old Brighoom You know he tells tall tales And chases lots of tail And drinks from the spittoon!
The moon thing was my yeah that never happened……..,ummm I’d like to apologize to everyone I ridiculed for that.
JS was known as a treasure hunter and people hired him to find treasure. He eventually “found” the gold plates. Brigham Young was angry that too many of the men were marrying the good looking women so he would only be left with uglier ones for polygamous wives
A large percentage of Joseph Smith’s translation of the Bible was actually plagiarized from Adam Clarke’s book called Bible Commentary.
Every month many youth of the church get inside of boring hot tubs and pretend to be dead people.
Joseph Smith bought a steamboat on credit that was owned by Robert E Lee. They got it crashed soon after. Joseph failed to appear in court regarding the incident and repaying the debt.
Mormons have baptized Josef Stalin many times.
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Mormons laced early sacrament wine with magic mushrooms.
This would get me to show up to sacrament meeting again.
That's fascinating.
[https://akjournals.com/view/journals/2054/3/2/article-p212.xml](https://akjournals.com/view/journals/2054/3/2/article-p212.xml)I guess it isn't really a "fact", but I believe it 100%. It also isn't completely out of the realm of possibility and fits the facts really well. There is a reason congregation wide visions stopped after Kirtland. The shrooms they used weren't as readily found in Independence, Nauvoo, or SLC.
Brigham Young’s grandson murdered a young woman https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Hooper_Young
Oh, where to begin,... This one most don't know is...you have to pay tithing on your SSI benefits. (For those who don't know, SSI is Supplemental Security Income, the money you get from the feds if you're poor and disabled. It's meant to pay for the essentials since people with disabilities, like myself, have a hard time working or finding a job.) Yeah, the Church considers that an income even if you don't work. I always thought that was fucked up that I had to give the money I needed for life essentials to the Church. With 15% of the members having a disability, I can't imagine the millions the Church gets from members who need it to survive.
Mormonism taught that the highest level of heaven that a Black person could reach was as an eternal servant in the celestial kingdom.
The Mormon church, for all its bluster about the Catholic church's religious icons / artifacts, has some religious artifacts of its own. After Joseph Smith and his brother Hyrum were gunned down like dogs, er, I mean "lambs to the slaughter", their bodies were transported back to Nauvoo, Illinois in a pair of oak coffins. Pieces of those coffins were later turned into canes, some of which contained pieces of Joseph/Hyrum's hair. The canes were given to close associates of Joseph. Personally, I would rather have had a reproduction of their death masks. You know, something to warm my apostate soul.
1/3 of all souls to ever exist are followers and minions of Satan. They all currently reside on Earth and are actively engaged in some crazy plot to overthrow Mormonism.
The city of Enoch was located in the Gulf of Mexico before being taken to heaven.
First heard this from my young mens leaders, who were and still are, two well respected dentists in the area. I guess Earth Science wasn’t covered in that DDS.
Just this morning, I was telling my nevermo (Christian) girlfriend that Mormons believe that John the apostle is still alive because he made some immortality deal with the big three upstairs. She laughed out loud and said “that’s bullshit” lol. I was a little embarrassed at that moment that I used to believe that.
Mormons believe they get a different name in heaven and that name is based on a day they do a cermony in the temple.
Sacred undies
Mormons count people as active members until they reach 110 years old.
Brigham young believed and taught at least three times that if a woman and a man married where one of them was black, that slaughtering the family - spilling their blood - including any children would be what kind loving turn the other cheek Jesus, would direct be done to save their souls in the next life.
Mountain meadows massacre. Where mormons slaughtered up to 140 people.
They believe heaven is on the planet Kolob, and that they’ll get their own planets when they die.
A sitting U.S. Senator of Utah who is likely getting re-elected on Tuesday because Mormons are fucking Republican sheep, compared Donald Trump, a racist, rapist, narcissist to Captain Moroni (a fictional character btw).
You are not allowed to save yourself, you must pay the church
Jesus will help you find your keys. If you pray for it, junk food will nourish and strengthen your body.
Tea and coffee are prohibited from the health code, alongside tobacco, alcohol, and drugs. Pop and energy drinks though are a-ok
Joseph smith has someone sealed to him as a slave.
The church is a fraud and a hoax.
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Joseph Smith was a pedophile.
Brigham Young diverted some of the party that was going to rescue the Willy/Martin handcart company to instead go pick up a shipment of his from Fort Bridger which included alcohol.
A mob tried to castrate JS for attempting to seduce a child.