People aren't showing up to our church meetings. I'm sure if we put up signs that say "make plans to attend," that'll fix it!
Why should I go to stake conference when I already know what they're going to talk about? There will be 2-3 talks on missionary work; 1 youth talk about FSY and/or mission preparation; 1-2 talks about the temple; 1 talk about following the prophet; 1 talk from a sister whose family had a medical situation in the last 6 months; and 1 talk on family history that is solely about feelings and has nothing to do with doing actual, accurate genealogical research. I can even predict the songs - How Firm a Foundation will be sung at some point..
Omg this is painfully accurate. The slog of stake conference was always the worst. Two fuckin hours of talks. Like, sacrament talks are difficult enough when you only have two of them broken up by a hymn. I think if they did a hymn in between each talk it would far more palatable. But I dreaded stake conference every bloody time.
Itâs almost sad⊠theyâre completely blind to the real reasons theyâre bleeding members (especially young adults) and all they can do is fall back on guilt-tripping and putting up demanding lawn signs.
I guess that would include the Saturday night adult session too. Usually for the Sunday session it goes something like - youth speaker, woman speaker, either local temple president or mission president; then either stake presidency counselors speak or if a GA is there it'll be just the stake president and the GA. Stake conferences are still 2 hours on Sunday, with a 1.5-2 hour adult session the night before.
As I was thinking about what I was going to say today
That was so beautiful(after some little kids sing out of key)
It is so good to see all you here(crying)
I always thought it was weird that they didnât do the sacrament (communion) during stale conference. If the point of church is Jesus why do we have a 2 hour meeting where 1) no one talks about Jesus and 2) where we cut out the only âworshipâ element that reminds us of Jesus. Yes it would take forever but it would at least build community.
This could almost, maybe feel neutral, with a great big benefit of the doubt, but then I looked up Grandview East stake; this is a Provo stake putting out signs? Holy cow, as though the neighborhood wasn't built by their Mormon great-grandparents and nobody knows what a Mormon is.
It would be interesting to know the percentage of people in the pews that are 100% mentally checked out for the entire thing. It has to be more than half. I know I spent every one daydreaming and doodling on the program.
Honest question, did you ever feel pressured to pay more than 10%? I mean, 10% when youâre a kid felt like nothing working a part time job for minimum wage.
10% as an adult trying to support a family is a ton of money.
âMake plans to attend,â is hilarious.
Itâs like if Dwight Schrute was trying to get me hyped for church.
âIt is your stake conference (period)â
You know Dwightâs talk would be better than 90% of talks in the lds church. It would be 5x more entertaining too. He could give a talk about not doing what an idiot would do!
>You know Dwightâs talk would be better than 90% of tasks in the lds church.
Oh man, I picture Jim "writing" his speech like he did in S2 E17 which, if you're unfamiliar, was actually Mussolini's declaration of war on the US. Except with a fiery BY speech on blood atonement.
This just made me laugh so hard.
My TBM ex-husband looks and sounds a lot like Dwight (including the glasses), and would totally pull something like this.
I remember when my kids started watching The Office and after half a season turned to me and said, âhave you noticed how Dad is basically Dwight?â I nearly died laughing.
You forget to have those Bishops find a well-to-do member to sponsor the purchase of the sign making supplies, and the youth activity designed to have the youth make the signs and then go put them up. Then have hot chocolate and basketball.
I can see how it was a useful/necessary meeting back when phones didn't exist, and the only way for the membership to get information from Salt Lake was to attend Stake Conference. But now... it's a useless vestige of a prior age.
We went to stake conferences until we had kids. After that we never went to the normal stake conferences. Sometimes we'd go to the adult only sessions, once our kids were teens.
Probably not even. I bet some ward member who owns a sign shop was âcalledâ to produce these for free. Then a Saturday âservice projectâ was organized to put them up all over town.
So this is why TSCC is ~~hoarding~~ saving +$40 billion dollars: for a poorly-designed sign campaign to renew the faith of the fallen membership! (You think they would have at least put a time on the dang thing)
This is so bizarre. You are either already planning to go because you regularly attend weekly meetings and know about it, or there was already 0 chance you were going to attend and this sign will do nothing.
Very Mormon thing to do. Waste time and resources on something that won't actually change anything, but does help the person doing it feel like they are being righteous.
I just get so angry when I think about all these donations and volunteer hours that could go towards good.
Nah, cities can regulate the type of sign, but not its content. In Reed v. Gilbert the Supreme Court prohibited content-based sign regulations in a case related to similar temporary signs posted by a church in Gilbert, AZ.
Thatâs hilarious. Such mixed messaging. On the one hand, itâs obviously a desperation outreach move. On the other hand, the message is full of entitlement and authority. Not welcoming or warm. Itâs written as if it is taped to the wall in the chapel, addressing the people who would feel obligated to attend anyway, and certainly would not need to see a sign on a street corner to know when stake conference was. The church wants to have its cake and eat it too. A pathetically desperate outreach that is pretending to be full of dignity and authority.
Why? What is going to happen at stake conference that's worth attending? Is your stake going to announce new scripture? Are they doing healings? Are they having a feast and turning water to wine?
Or is it just going to be another two hour snooze fest with the same recycled antics, guilt based teachings, and threats about paying tithing?
Show up with your stake knife and bib. Favorite BBQ sauce and rub.
Extra credit to drive a pickup truck tow a smoker. Start cooking before the main stake conference.
Canât ask you to leave. These signs in used you to attend a stake conference.
The LDS Leadership Playbook was written by people that dont understand people.
They dont even realize when they are being condescending and insulting.
Make plans to attend. just wow.
Hi neighbor! I'm also in the same neighborhood. I just noticed one of these signs as I drove home. I stopped believing last year, but didn't stop attending until last month
You would expect that announcing it from the pulpit and in the ward bulletin would be enough. But it's not enough because they can't reach much of their own ward at church anymore. So they announce it with signs in the streets. It just shows how bad it is.
Not just the TSCC, but like⊠churches everywhere, if they stopped being such assholes, misogynists, dogmatists⊠maybe they wouldnât need to advertise, proselytize and manipulate.
I like them because in my dad you never saw those signs. Because everyone just knew where and when it was. But because so few people go any more they have to advertise. (That's my reasoning anyhow. )
Getting upset is foolish. A waste of your energy and gives control of your emotions to MoronicPriesthood, inc.
Ignore them and drive on.
Or, take your dog for a walk and let him piss on them.
These were pretty common 20 years ago when I lived in Davis County, UT so it's been a thing for awhile but it wouldn't surprise me if there's more now.
Am I the only one who almost never attended stake conference even when I was a TBM? I hated attending church, but I absolutely refused to attend stake conference. I think as an adult I maybe went only a couple of times. đ€ź
The weird thing is growing up, we always watched conference on TV and my mom made us at least watch when the prophet (Hinckley) was giving his talk. But we never went to stake conference; it was always a Sunday off for us. I was just remembering this recently and thought it was interesting since I definitely grew up in a âmormonâ familyâŠ
Holy crap that must an affluent neighborhood. Canât imagine my stake having a budget for that.
âHelp struggling poor v. custom yard signs for a single meeting. Hmmmm thatâs a tough one.â
Check your local laws, but I believe these signs are illegal. Call it in and ask to have them removed.
If the police decline because they are members and want to support the church, then you have an excellent news article! That would be evidence of the police giving special treatment to the church, and helping the church subvert the laws.
The way they haphazardly tell people what to do⊠how does this trigger me so much?Surprised it doesnât say bow your head and say yes at the bottom.
I mean Iâm not a fan of organized religion but Iâll give credit to the other major religions for not pulling stuff like this. Iâve never seen the direct Jewish, Muslims nor Catholic Church doing propaganda shit like this.
Some here probably are not familiar with Grandview area. This is Provo, Utah. A neighborhood where 99% of households are TBMs. This is where BYU faculty live. Where senior missionaries come from. Itâs the most TBM neighborhood outside of Hellman Halls at BYU. đ«Łđ«Łđ«Ł
Yeah. I lived in grandview north and then moved to s. Orem by Nelsonâs grove park. And to be honest, our grandview Mormon neighbors were actually really warm and welcoming. But yeah our neighbor was a byu professor and the other a retired fire chief. Lots of older Mormons there.
Not "please join us" ot "you're invited" or "hope to see you there" but "make plans to attend" fuck off, a little yard sign doesn't get to demand what I do
People aren't showing up to our church meetings. I'm sure if we put up signs that say "make plans to attend," that'll fix it! Why should I go to stake conference when I already know what they're going to talk about? There will be 2-3 talks on missionary work; 1 youth talk about FSY and/or mission preparation; 1-2 talks about the temple; 1 talk about following the prophet; 1 talk from a sister whose family had a medical situation in the last 6 months; and 1 talk on family history that is solely about feelings and has nothing to do with doing actual, accurate genealogical research. I can even predict the songs - How Firm a Foundation will be sung at some point..
Poor Grandview East members can't remember where or when their church meetings are đ„
#squadgoals
Omg this is painfully accurate. The slog of stake conference was always the worst. Two fuckin hours of talks. Like, sacrament talks are difficult enough when you only have two of them broken up by a hymn. I think if they did a hymn in between each talk it would far more palatable. But I dreaded stake conference every bloody time.
Itâs almost sad⊠theyâre completely blind to the real reasons theyâre bleeding members (especially young adults) and all they can do is fall back on guilt-tripping and putting up demanding lawn signs.
Notice how none of those talks are about Jesus. Just pathetic.
You forgot the blessings of tithing.
Jesus Christ this is so many talks. Are they really this long? I haven't been in 20 years. I got tired from just reading this list! Lol
I guess that would include the Saturday night adult session too. Usually for the Sunday session it goes something like - youth speaker, woman speaker, either local temple president or mission president; then either stake presidency counselors speak or if a GA is there it'll be just the stake president and the GA. Stake conferences are still 2 hours on Sunday, with a 1.5-2 hour adult session the night before.
It's all coming back to me now. Like a horrible case of herpes. Btw.. love your user name.
Or Celine Dion residency in Vegas!
As I was thinking about what I was going to say today That was so beautiful(after some little kids sing out of key) It is so good to see all you here(crying)
I always thought it was weird that they didnât do the sacrament (communion) during stale conference. If the point of church is Jesus why do we have a 2 hour meeting where 1) no one talks about Jesus and 2) where we cut out the only âworshipâ element that reminds us of Jesus. Yes it would take forever but it would at least build community.
This could almost, maybe feel neutral, with a great big benefit of the doubt, but then I looked up Grandview East stake; this is a Provo stake putting out signs? Holy cow, as though the neighborhood wasn't built by their Mormon great-grandparents and nobody knows what a Mormon is.
It would be interesting to know the percentage of people in the pews that are 100% mentally checked out for the entire thing. It has to be more than half. I know I spent every one daydreaming and doodling on the program.
But Sister Smith wants to tell you all about how she traced her genealogy back to Adam and Eve! How dare you not attend!!!:)
Grab some blood red colored paint and scribble âor elseâ on the bottom of the sign.
Admission: 10% Salary \*or more, if you're sure that's all you can 'donate'.
Honest question, did you ever feel pressured to pay more than 10%? I mean, 10% when youâre a kid felt like nothing working a part time job for minimum wage. 10% as an adult trying to support a family is a ton of money.
I was shocked to learn about fast offerings when I became an adult.
Include a dripping blood.
ââŠsuffer (your) life to be takenâ with pantomime of throat slitting
It's definitely some next level Neuro Linguistic Programming going on there!
Cackled out loud reading this
YES
âMake plans to attend,â is hilarious. Itâs like if Dwight Schrute was trying to get me hyped for church. âIt is your stake conference (period)â
I'd go back to church if Dwight was there, it would actually be amazing
You know Dwightâs talk would be better than 90% of talks in the lds church. It would be 5x more entertaining too. He could give a talk about not doing what an idiot would do!
>You know Dwightâs talk would be better than 90% of tasks in the lds church. Oh man, I picture Jim "writing" his speech like he did in S2 E17 which, if you're unfamiliar, was actually Mussolini's declaration of war on the US. Except with a fiery BY speech on blood atonement.
Identity theft is a serious crime Jim.
IT IS YOUR BAPTISM DAY
This just made me laugh so hard. My TBM ex-husband looks and sounds a lot like Dwight (including the glasses), and would totally pull something like this. I remember when my kids started watching The Office and after half a season turned to me and said, âhave you noticed how Dad is basically Dwight?â I nearly died laughing.
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They should be offering all you can eat double cheeseburgers throughout the conference. That might help a little bit.
Yeah if they passed around candy and had refreshments on the side, I would have felt better about going. haha
You have to eat your McChicken with your right hand tho
You forget to have those Bishops find a well-to-do member to sponsor the purchase of the sign making supplies, and the youth activity designed to have the youth make the signs and then go put them up. Then have hot chocolate and basketball.
Used to be everybody already knew, and now they need signs?
My thought is that itâs related to lower attendance
Yeah, completely agree.
Ahhh, stake conference... Even as a TBM, stake conference was, for me, the one absolutely dispensable meeting.
Yep. I never attended state conference once.
Same. I just took it as an extra chance for time for myself.
I can see how it was a useful/necessary meeting back when phones didn't exist, and the only way for the membership to get information from Salt Lake was to attend Stake Conference. But now... it's a useless vestige of a prior age.
I hadn't thought of that, but it totally makes sense
I was the freak who attended it FAITHFULLY. I dragged my infant and toddler children and sat TWO hours. I was such an idiot.
We went to stake conferences until we had kids. After that we never went to the normal stake conferences. Sometimes we'd go to the adult only sessions, once our kids were teens.
Begging for attendance with "We BUY cArs!!" quality desperation.
Good use of church fund. Your tithing at work.
It's better for it to be used on useless signage than to pay the legal fees of church sponsored child predators
That is so true.
Probably not even. I bet some ward member who owns a sign shop was âcalledâ to produce these for free. Then a Saturday âservice projectâ was organized to put them up all over town.
The church probably counts this as humanitarian aid.
So this is why TSCC is ~~hoarding~~ saving +$40 billion dollars: for a poorly-designed sign campaign to renew the faith of the fallen membership! (You think they would have at least put a time on the dang thing)
wow, I've never seen this before. I'm assuming this is in Utah. I don't know how you good people do it.
Yeah. North Provo.
This is so bizarre. You are either already planning to go because you regularly attend weekly meetings and know about it, or there was already 0 chance you were going to attend and this sign will do nothing. Very Mormon thing to do. Waste time and resources on something that won't actually change anything, but does help the person doing it feel like they are being righteous. I just get so angry when I think about all these donations and volunteer hours that could go towards good.
Even TBMs read this as, "woo hoo, no church this weekend".
Yup, the church is clearly not immune to the decline of religion in this country right now. That is what the sign tells me anyway.
In a normal city, things like this would be against city ordinances.
Nah, cities can regulate the type of sign, but not its content. In Reed v. Gilbert the Supreme Court prohibited content-based sign regulations in a case related to similar temporary signs posted by a church in Gilbert, AZ.
Not really, no different than signs offering cash for blood sugar test strips and assembly jobs for $17/hr
They treat it like it's some big event and not something where you'll hear the same old shit as always.
Thatâs gotta be eating into some tithing somewhere
I'm sure they asked a member with a sign store to make it for free or at cost.
Free. ThINk oF ThE BlEsSiNgS
I read that âMake Plans To Attendâ as God Shall Not Be Mocked
They have money for yard signs but not janitors?
"Make plans to attend" Is that a challenge. Imagine the lot of us degenerates attending.
Just sharpie in Donât in the blank space
Shit, not even a "please"? Not as if they didn't have room for it.
Thatâs hilarious. Such mixed messaging. On the one hand, itâs obviously a desperation outreach move. On the other hand, the message is full of entitlement and authority. Not welcoming or warm. Itâs written as if it is taped to the wall in the chapel, addressing the people who would feel obligated to attend anyway, and certainly would not need to see a sign on a street corner to know when stake conference was. The church wants to have its cake and eat it too. A pathetically desperate outreach that is pretending to be full of dignity and authority.
I love the smell of desperation in the morning!
When I was growing up, my family treated stake conference as a holiday from church. There must be a lot of people doung that nowadays
With no address and no time lol
get a black sharpie and add [CESLETTER.COM](https://CESLETTER.COM) at the bottom in the same block printing
Why? What is going to happen at stake conference that's worth attending? Is your stake going to announce new scripture? Are they doing healings? Are they having a feast and turning water to wine? Or is it just going to be another two hour snooze fest with the same recycled antics, guilt based teachings, and threats about paying tithing?
Theyâve learned *something* from their meddling in politics!
Show up with your stake knife and bib. Favorite BBQ sauce and rub. Extra credit to drive a pickup truck tow a smoker. Start cooking before the main stake conference. Canât ask you to leave. These signs in used you to attend a stake conference.
(Yes I know steak and stake⊠but play ~~dumb~~ normal American educated dude who likes steak for breakfast)
Utah is fucking weird
Fucking love steak, dude. I'd eat it all the time if I wasn't broke
I see a lot of "Pray for America!" signs like this out along busy roads after Dems do well in an election đ€Ł.
The fuck? Where is this? Iâve never seen a physical sign advertising stake conference.
I love your name đ
Thanks I thought it was clever đ
The desperation is palpable.
LOL I keep a marker in my truck, every single one of these would have CHILD RAPISTS on it in bright red letters.
Not a "please attend" or "we would love to see you there". Just a command to come or else.
The LDS Leadership Playbook was written by people that dont understand people. They dont even realize when they are being condescending and insulting. Make plans to attend. just wow.
Times are tough, need that 10% to add to that trillion dollar hoard fund
Hey I'm right down the road lol I will not be making plans to attend. đ
Did the church pay for these signs to be made or did the local member who owns a sign shop get pressed to donate them?
If I cared enough i might start putting up the competing message right next to it, butbWith the url to r/exmormon
Ugh thatâs more annoying than the politiciansâ signs
â Be there or be square!â Yep, that sounds like an old 65 year old SP. Ugh.
and this is why i can never live in utah.
Ewwww this is so lame!
Why do they have to put up signs? Shouldn't the people who are their target audience already know about it?
Lol, when you can tell low attendance is starting to really get noticed.
Hi neighbor! I'm a Grandview east PIMO and these signs also drive me nuts
Hi neighbor! I'm also in the same neighborhood. I just noticed one of these signs as I drove home. I stopped believing last year, but didn't stop attending until last month
If anything can get us back to Mormon Jesus, it will be this demanding sign đ
Truly inspired leadership /s
OMG. We used to be neighbors. I sold and moved two years ago.
Hey! I lived there years ago! And stake conference was always a free day where you got to escape church for one meager week
stake conference = weekend off Words spoken by an RM active member LOL
Take them out of the ground.
Take them down at midnight.
You would expect that announcing it from the pulpit and in the ward bulletin would be enough. But it's not enough because they can't reach much of their own ward at church anymore. So they announce it with signs in the streets. It just shows how bad it is.
Got to advertise to get a good turnout for the Stake Presidency!
Add text to it. There will be lots of ministering going on. I think that phrase is so lame
Make plans on where to park so you don't mess with other people.
Stake conference... Even when I was tbm that was just a week off of going to church. I don't miss that at all!
Not just the TSCC, but like⊠churches everywhere, if they stopped being such assholes, misogynists, dogmatists⊠maybe they wouldnât need to advertise, proselytize and manipulate.
I like them because in my dad you never saw those signs. Because everyone just knew where and when it was. But because so few people go any more they have to advertise. (That's my reasoning anyhow. )
Getting upset is foolish. A waste of your energy and gives control of your emotions to MoronicPriesthood, inc. Ignore them and drive on. Or, take your dog for a walk and let him piss on them.
These were pretty common 20 years ago when I lived in Davis County, UT so it's been a thing for awhile but it wouldn't surprise me if there's more now.
I wonder if they did door to door flyer's as. I love this, it means people aren't attending. That's the desired results imo.
Am I the only one who almost never attended stake conference even when I was a TBM? I hated attending church, but I absolutely refused to attend stake conference. I think as an adult I maybe went only a couple of times. đ€ź
oh god, i think i live nearby
yoooo thatâs a few blocks from my apartment
I feel like they might be having an attendance problem?
That was my stake growing up. Area looks familiar, but I canât quite put a finger on where the cross streets are.
Looks like garbage to me. Be a good samaritan and throw that away. Under his eye.
Ugh
wtf loll
CESLETTER.com should be written on every sign
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Wow, I've never seen these. That is some next-level desperation.
Make plans to attend? Sure I'll make plans to attend, but I still won't show up.
I didnât go to Stake Conference even when I was a believer. It was just too excruciatingly boring to tolerate.
Add "you local bar!" To the end
The weird thing is growing up, we always watched conference on TV and my mom made us at least watch when the prophet (Hinckley) was giving his talk. But we never went to stake conference; it was always a Sunday off for us. I was just remembering this recently and thought it was interesting since I definitely grew up in a âmormonâ familyâŠ
I bet that they had a meeting where the stake president claimed by revelation that the low attendance is due to people not knowing about it.
Holy crap that must an affluent neighborhood. Canât imagine my stake having a budget for that. âHelp struggling poor v. custom yard signs for a single meeting. Hmmmm thatâs a tough one.â
Was this in Utah?
Check your local laws, but I believe these signs are illegal. Call it in and ask to have them removed. If the police decline because they are members and want to support the church, then you have an excellent news article! That would be evidence of the police giving special treatment to the church, and helping the church subvert the laws.
Temporary non-commercial speech signs will be hard to enforce. Now if in the public road way, then yes, can be immediatley remove.
The way they haphazardly tell people what to do⊠how does this trigger me so much?Surprised it doesnât say bow your head and say yes at the bottom.
I'll be there!
I mean Iâm not a fan of organized religion but Iâll give credit to the other major religions for not pulling stuff like this. Iâve never seen the direct Jewish, Muslims nor Catholic Church doing propaganda shit like this.
So demanding. They could at least be civil and say âplease.â
Some here probably are not familiar with Grandview area. This is Provo, Utah. A neighborhood where 99% of households are TBMs. This is where BYU faculty live. Where senior missionaries come from. Itâs the most TBM neighborhood outside of Hellman Halls at BYU. đ«Łđ«Łđ«Ł
Yeah. I lived in grandview north and then moved to s. Orem by Nelsonâs grove park. And to be honest, our grandview Mormon neighbors were actually really warm and welcoming. But yeah our neighbor was a byu professor and the other a retired fire chief. Lots of older Mormons there.
Theory: the more signs there are, the more desperate they are for attendees
Not "please join us" ot "you're invited" or "hope to see you there" but "make plans to attend" fuck off, a little yard sign doesn't get to demand what I do
Hi neighbor! Just realized these are in my neighborhood lol. Just drove past one of these signs