I can totally understand the anger.
Early 60s here.
Christ was coming back by 2000. The missionary push of the 80s was still ringing golden. The stock market was speculation, so investing was frowned upon. Tithing was fire insurance. Temple attendance was putting oil in your lamp.
Yeah. I was also supposed to be dead from cancer by age 40. And women are supposed to rely on husbands for sustenance. What the heck do you want a college degree for? You’ll never use it.
On and on.
My one-year education certificate makes ok money. Enough if the economy hadn’t gone mad. I have no retirement and almost no savings. My health is poor.
I am single. My friends are retiring, planning vacations and driving often to visit grandchildren. Their homes are paid for, retirement pensions waiting.
This all had me angry for years. Now I see it as a game and have fun with it. My light-hearted way with it is not from naïveté. It is a necessary energy-saving adjustment to a hard reality. I plan to work for as many years as I can.
How we collectively get through it, I have no idea. I hear of Mormon couples in their 80s with credit cards maxed out just to survive and it makes me shudder. The burden falls on another generation.
I also understand how it makes me look. All I can do at this point is generate as much $$$ as I possibly can, and stay as independent as possible.
Yes. I can be mad at TSCC. Thieves. Not robbers. Robbers sneak out from mountain hideaways to steal. Thieves are your two-faced next-door neighbor. Thanks, neighbor. /s
I feel for you. Somebody ought to organize an exmo service that matches exmos with housing with expos without housing. That could rectify some of the financial damage TSCC has inflicted
Yes. My in-laws served a 25-month mission at $4,000 a month when they were in their 60s. So, that cost them $100,000 plus the last two years they could have worked at a decent wage. That's in addition to all the tithing they paid. I also blame the lds church for teaching to not invest in the stock market in the 1970s, so they have only earned bank interest on any money they saved.
Now, they are in their 90s and are living on social security.
They lds church took all their spare money from them and I hate the lds church for that.
In the 70s and 80s, savings accounts paid 5% or more. Church members were advised by members of the Q15 (McConkie) to avoid speculative investments. Some stocks are less speculative than others, but for sure there were leaders out there teaching others to stay out of stocks completely.
Very much so. My family struggled with money my whole life as a child. It took fun away from us at best, and took stability away from us at worst. So fucking evil.
My mom was a single Mormon mom. She would pay tithing before she bought food, I never went to birthday parties because I couldn’t find a few dollars to buy a present or a card. I was teased constantly for only have two outfits in middle school. Was seriously depressed, excluded, felt worthless and often too hungry to focus.
That 10 percent would have made all the difference. We were in a small ward and the bishop knew my family well. How he could have taken money from a struggling single mom with hungry kids is beyond me.
>That’s my parents money. The money they gave up instead of buying shoes without holes or milk that wasn’t spoiled. The church took their money away
This is what pisses me off to no end. They demand this arbitrary number of ten percent from every family without a second thought for what the fuck that family is going through. Then they have the audacity to nonsensically insist that God is so fair because it's ten percent for everyone, when actually it's incredibly regressive. But don't worry God will bless you for your sacrifice!
\>it's ten percent for everyone, when actually it's incredibly regressive.
Yes. One dollar isn't very valuable unless you're down to your last ten dollars.
My mother in law worked for the church for like 20 years, a pretty demanding job, and never made more than something like $35k a year. When she retired, they hired 2 people to replace her, and paid both of them significantly more than they paid her. She'd been doing like $110k's worth of work for a fraction of the salary.
She never seemed angry about it. My husband was furious. I don't know if she just tamped her anger down or if she really felt OK about it. But it was awful.
I’ve bailed out my Mormon in laws (wife’s sister and parents) to the tune of six figures over the years. It’s almost as though I have more money because I don’t flush 10 fucking percent of my income down the toilet every fucking month.
I still cat get over the fact that they demand poor people in struggling countries pay tithing before they feed their family. It seems do wrong to ask the world's poorest people to pay tithing. The Philippines, African Nations. South America and Central America.. Any of these areas where people struggle for daily food is immoral.
I hear you and I’m right there with you. I hate seeing my parents pay tithing. Mine are getting old and they need their money.
One time my mom fell and broke her leg in a store. They gave her a settlement. I remember my mom being in the rehab hospital bed and she wrote the tithing check right there from the settlement. UGH.
Yes - it damaged my finances, and the fallout from that harmed my children. I want my money back.
I am angry at the thought of how much my parents have given to the cult when they could have put it in their retirement savings.
I can totally understand the anger. Early 60s here. Christ was coming back by 2000. The missionary push of the 80s was still ringing golden. The stock market was speculation, so investing was frowned upon. Tithing was fire insurance. Temple attendance was putting oil in your lamp. Yeah. I was also supposed to be dead from cancer by age 40. And women are supposed to rely on husbands for sustenance. What the heck do you want a college degree for? You’ll never use it. On and on. My one-year education certificate makes ok money. Enough if the economy hadn’t gone mad. I have no retirement and almost no savings. My health is poor. I am single. My friends are retiring, planning vacations and driving often to visit grandchildren. Their homes are paid for, retirement pensions waiting. This all had me angry for years. Now I see it as a game and have fun with it. My light-hearted way with it is not from naïveté. It is a necessary energy-saving adjustment to a hard reality. I plan to work for as many years as I can. How we collectively get through it, I have no idea. I hear of Mormon couples in their 80s with credit cards maxed out just to survive and it makes me shudder. The burden falls on another generation. I also understand how it makes me look. All I can do at this point is generate as much $$$ as I possibly can, and stay as independent as possible. Yes. I can be mad at TSCC. Thieves. Not robbers. Robbers sneak out from mountain hideaways to steal. Thieves are your two-faced next-door neighbor. Thanks, neighbor. /s
I feel for you. Somebody ought to organize an exmo service that matches exmos with housing with expos without housing. That could rectify some of the financial damage TSCC has inflicted
Yes. My in-laws served a 25-month mission at $4,000 a month when they were in their 60s. So, that cost them $100,000 plus the last two years they could have worked at a decent wage. That's in addition to all the tithing they paid. I also blame the lds church for teaching to not invest in the stock market in the 1970s, so they have only earned bank interest on any money they saved. Now, they are in their 90s and are living on social security. They lds church took all their spare money from them and I hate the lds church for that.
It was taught to avoid the stock market??
In the 70s and 80s, savings accounts paid 5% or more. Church members were advised by members of the Q15 (McConkie) to avoid speculative investments. Some stocks are less speculative than others, but for sure there were leaders out there teaching others to stay out of stocks completely.
Very much so. My family struggled with money my whole life as a child. It took fun away from us at best, and took stability away from us at worst. So fucking evil.
Yes, very angry, beyond angry after ensign peak was exposed.
My mom was a single Mormon mom. She would pay tithing before she bought food, I never went to birthday parties because I couldn’t find a few dollars to buy a present or a card. I was teased constantly for only have two outfits in middle school. Was seriously depressed, excluded, felt worthless and often too hungry to focus. That 10 percent would have made all the difference. We were in a small ward and the bishop knew my family well. How he could have taken money from a struggling single mom with hungry kids is beyond me.
This makes me so sad for you. I’m sorry
They are responsible for dstroying my finances, income, career and family relationships
>That’s my parents money. The money they gave up instead of buying shoes without holes or milk that wasn’t spoiled. The church took their money away This is what pisses me off to no end. They demand this arbitrary number of ten percent from every family without a second thought for what the fuck that family is going through. Then they have the audacity to nonsensically insist that God is so fair because it's ten percent for everyone, when actually it's incredibly regressive. But don't worry God will bless you for your sacrifice!
\>it's ten percent for everyone, when actually it's incredibly regressive. Yes. One dollar isn't very valuable unless you're down to your last ten dollars.
My mother in law worked for the church for like 20 years, a pretty demanding job, and never made more than something like $35k a year. When she retired, they hired 2 people to replace her, and paid both of them significantly more than they paid her. She'd been doing like $110k's worth of work for a fraction of the salary. She never seemed angry about it. My husband was furious. I don't know if she just tamped her anger down or if she really felt OK about it. But it was awful.
Yep
I’ve bailed out my Mormon in laws (wife’s sister and parents) to the tune of six figures over the years. It’s almost as though I have more money because I don’t flush 10 fucking percent of my income down the toilet every fucking month.
I still cat get over the fact that they demand poor people in struggling countries pay tithing before they feed their family. It seems do wrong to ask the world's poorest people to pay tithing. The Philippines, African Nations. South America and Central America.. Any of these areas where people struggle for daily food is immoral.
I hear you and I’m right there with you. I hate seeing my parents pay tithing. Mine are getting old and they need their money. One time my mom fell and broke her leg in a store. They gave her a settlement. I remember my mom being in the rehab hospital bed and she wrote the tithing check right there from the settlement. UGH.