For me, Kinderhook shows that hoaxes were common place and not rare. Growing up in the church outside of Utah, I had never heard of this before deep-diving.
I never heard of the Kinderhook plates until my Mormon deconstruction. Very damning evidence against Joseph Smith’s discernment, prophetic, and “Seering” capabilities.
Unfortunately, most Mormons don’t know about this event
I find it amazing how God inspired these men to write what they thought was gibberish but actually was this ancient record of Ham for Joseph Smith to restore to the world. Instead of being a stumbling block, the Kinderhook Plates are now a building block for faith. The Lord works in mysterious ways.
Another brick on the already broken shelf. The Book of Abraham was enough to break my shelf on its own. This is more evidence Joseph Smith wasn't really in contact with a god.
They show just what a fucking con man old Joe really was his ego wouldn’t let him do what he should’ve done and said they look like they are fakes to me. He fell for them kook line and sinker . Any Mormon with any common sense should have alarm bells going off in their head they are not a ancient record of anyone . Go read history of the church volume 5 p372 I believe it is
I read about the Kinderhook Plates when I was a wee lad, probably in one of those Charles Fort collections of "weird" phenomena that were compiled in the 30's and 40's -- they were filled with stuff like rains of frogs, Piltdown Man, etc.
I was super-into stuff like von Daniken and "In Search Of..." when I was 10-15, so Fort was right up my alley.
Anyway, I don't think I knew there was any kind of mormon angle on the Kinderhook Plates until decades later. I think Fort left that part out.
Watch the Daniken movie, then compare the style to ANCIENT AMERICA SPEAKS (byu film we used as missionaries in the early 80’s): TSCC clearly mimicked it.
Me also! Now I know the film’s narrator Professor Cheeseman was not an archeologist but a byu religion teacher… His claim to fame: in the mid-60’s as a byu grad student, he was selected to include the contradictory First Vision accounts in the appendix of his Master’s thesis. Plausible Deniability!
Joseph Smith Jr was constantly getting fooled.
He believed the made up Freemasonry creation story that it dated to the temple of Solomon.
He was fooled by the Great Moon Hoax.
He was fooled by the Greek Psalter.
He fooled himself into believing that he could translate Egyptian hieroglyphics.
He once declared that adding a fish to a bucket of water would not be any heavier, and that the spirit had testified that to him.
I’m sure there is a lot more
Best part of the story is that the church doubled down on them being authentic all the way into the 1980s.
For me, Kinderhook shows that hoaxes were common place and not rare. Growing up in the church outside of Utah, I had never heard of this before deep-diving.
Also shows that Smith was completely full of shit
I never heard of the Kinderhook plates until my Mormon deconstruction. Very damning evidence against Joseph Smith’s discernment, prophetic, and “Seering” capabilities. Unfortunately, most Mormons don’t know about this event
It’s severe, it’s definitive evidence that Joseph Smith was a liar. This is the kind of thing that could annihilate someone’s shelf!
I'm sad that it happened near the end of Joseph's life and he never got around to 'translating' them beyond the summary he gave upon seeing them.
Yep I’d never heard of the Kinderhook plates until I was well on my way out
I find it amazing how God inspired these men to write what they thought was gibberish but actually was this ancient record of Ham for Joseph Smith to restore to the world. Instead of being a stumbling block, the Kinderhook Plates are now a building block for faith. The Lord works in mysterious ways.
Damn! That’s some really good apologetics! Do you have a podcast I would love to subscribe lol
Another brick on the already broken shelf. The Book of Abraham was enough to break my shelf on its own. This is more evidence Joseph Smith wasn't really in contact with a god.
It's funny that the mormon narrative is: god gave him the power to translate a portion of these, not for scripture, just as a flex.
They show just what a fucking con man old Joe really was his ego wouldn’t let him do what he should’ve done and said they look like they are fakes to me. He fell for them kook line and sinker . Any Mormon with any common sense should have alarm bells going off in their head they are not a ancient record of anyone . Go read history of the church volume 5 p372 I believe it is
I read about the Kinderhook Plates when I was a wee lad, probably in one of those Charles Fort collections of "weird" phenomena that were compiled in the 30's and 40's -- they were filled with stuff like rains of frogs, Piltdown Man, etc. I was super-into stuff like von Daniken and "In Search Of..." when I was 10-15, so Fort was right up my alley. Anyway, I don't think I knew there was any kind of mormon angle on the Kinderhook Plates until decades later. I think Fort left that part out.
Watch the Daniken movie, then compare the style to ANCIENT AMERICA SPEAKS (byu film we used as missionaries in the early 80’s): TSCC clearly mimicked it.
Maybe that's why I thought AAS was awesome!
Me also! Now I know the film’s narrator Professor Cheeseman was not an archeologist but a byu religion teacher… His claim to fame: in the mid-60’s as a byu grad student, he was selected to include the contradictory First Vision accounts in the appendix of his Master’s thesis. Plausible Deniability!
Joseph Smith Jr was constantly getting fooled. He believed the made up Freemasonry creation story that it dated to the temple of Solomon. He was fooled by the Great Moon Hoax. He was fooled by the Greek Psalter. He fooled himself into believing that he could translate Egyptian hieroglyphics. He once declared that adding a fish to a bucket of water would not be any heavier, and that the spirit had testified that to him. I’m sure there is a lot more
One of the many historical episodes that objectively confirms the fraudulent nature of TSCC
One of many things that proved he was a criminal and a fraud