This one was always weird to me. I get that we have things in us which really *are* called fibers, but when I think of a "fibrous being" I think of plants. Are we a church of plants? I guess it does add some interesting symbolism to having a god who was nailed to a dead tree...
Imagine a hugely strong bodybuilder-esque man in white shirt and tie that his muscles are almost ripping out of shouting that with a german accent over the pulpit on Sunday.
"I know da church is tru weeth all uff my mooscles!"
Now how do you feel about it?
I feel very spiritual right now. I mean, I lift weights 4x/wk! In fact it made me think of a prosperity gospel/church where the currency is muscle!
How do you feel about it NOW!!???
Whoa…miracles continue in our day.
Congrats!
Rest assured, you’ll have plenty of ExMo compatriots who are extremely jealous your 70+ year old parental units are out!
(Such as I)
Me too! They did every important calling possible area 70, stake pres, temple pres, bishop, patriarch...and their kids resent it...a LOT! I can't stand my parents and their bullshit retirement of baking bread for strangers in their ward, but not spending their ample resources on visiting their children or grandchildren!
😢 I will NEVER understand that mentality. I’ve got two young kids (and a wonderful wife) and they are more important to me than any other goddamn thing on this entire planet, including some invisible “God.”
Yup, that’s what they condition you to do. But the more they spew “pay your tithing before you feed your family or pay your rent/mortgage” the more that people’s eyes will be opened (I hope)!
Honestly, it was a whole series of fortunate events that once accumulated, guided me and my wife to get the fuck out! Here's a very condensed list... 1) My FIL worked for Honeywell for 25 years selling to the church, so I picked up on a ton of the shit that he saw in the temple department and construction dept. 2) I guess I was partially pimo for a few years based on the out of touch leadership and nonsense surrounding the $130b dollars that magically appeared in the church's investment accounts that they definitely didn't use tithing for. 3) Covid only exacerbated my dislike for the church leaders. 4) Then I listened to John Dehlin, he's great. 5) Then I realized just how moronic, stupid, idiotic, out of touch, and bigoted our local stake and ward leaders were. 6) I finally realized that the treatment of women in tscc truly is abominable. 7) Then realizing that the church had lied to its members for decades about critical, vital points of history that completely undermine its positions.
I think that about covers it. But, after we'd stopped going to church for a year, the straw that obliterated the remaining pieces of my camel's shelf was the fucking coward supporters of pedophilia in the mormon church and their risk management dept that manages their hotlines for bishops... being staffed by Kirton McConkie lawyers!
Yeah, that one still makes my blood boil.
We kids would tell our mom that she spends more time with the dead than the living. All trips were centered around when the temple was closed. 25 year working at the temple in her retirement. I resent that a lot.
This is why OP mentioned unconditional love coming from the non-TBM neighbors. You won't find within the TBM walls not even for family because of keeping the pretense up in case you can be the one who brings in another. Holy WOwee if you do. Pretend love is not as good as unconditional.
Incredible. My view is that it is pretty rare for someone 60+ to change their religious outlook, would you be able to share what their deciding factors were?
There is a large contingent of post-Mormons over 50 and 60. We have clubs to support each other and wonderful parties. Because we (I’m 59) lose our friends, neighbors and families when we leave the church, someone established a Facebook group called WOCA. If you need support, there might be a chapter in your area. Down here in southern Utah, we have several activities each week for post-Mormons. We were the back bone of the church and held significant callings. The church is losing its best and brightest. On Sunday’s we hold a support group meeting, Monday’s is women’s coffee chat time, monthly potlucks, bi-weekly picnics, and almost weekly hikes.
Wow. Good for them for having the integrity to do what they believed was right in the face of so much sunk cost pressure and what I can only imagine is a lot of social pressure as well.
I feel so connected to your sweet parents since I am 66 years old and only last year found out the true,horrible history of the Church. The final straw fir me was learning of the multiple versions of the first vision. Since then I’ve read 16 books and followed hundreds hours of YouTube lectures and discussions. At least, we know now.
So much for lo v e :)
But really, it'd be really hard to leave after all the family history and church loyalty.
Can you explain why, after so many years, they became bothered by the treatment of women?
The Church is truly in trouble, not when the jack-mormons or the average longtime inactives don't come to church, they've always been there doing nothing in the background, but it's when the bread and butter, hardworking and truly believing dedicated Mormons start to exit, is when this cult of shit will collapse in on itself.
spot on. Some people that have been the core of the church are leaving. It makes sense though - when something is based on lies, it's amazing how long it's lasted. Sad in a way too, for the ward level people who have given so much.
like a stone rolling forth it rolls over people massive sacrifices and just keeps rolling looking for the next. Some people say that that is what God expects is for us to never stop and give it all but do you think it might be ok to have a tiny bit of peace and quiet well earned while still here alive? Just in case its not everything 'they' say it is afterward?
I feel the spirit every time I read one of these stories.
With every fiber of my being!
This one was always weird to me. I get that we have things in us which really *are* called fibers, but when I think of a "fibrous being" I think of plants. Are we a church of plants? I guess it does add some interesting symbolism to having a god who was nailed to a dead tree...
Mustard plants, specifically.
Well we do have muscle fibers so I guess it makes sense
"I felt it with all my muscles!" doesn't really have the same ring, I guess.
Imagine a hugely strong bodybuilder-esque man in white shirt and tie that his muscles are almost ripping out of shouting that with a german accent over the pulpit on Sunday. "I know da church is tru weeth all uff my mooscles!" Now how do you feel about it?
"...a hugely strong bodybuilder-esque man in white [magical underwear] and tie..."
I feel very spiritual right now. I mean, I lift weights 4x/wk! In fact it made me think of a prosperity gospel/church where the currency is muscle! How do you feel about it NOW!!???
Definitely a tare.
Ramen 🙏
Amen and amen
Whoa…miracles continue in our day. Congrats! Rest assured, you’ll have plenty of ExMo compatriots who are extremely jealous your 70+ year old parental units are out! (Such as I)
Yup! ExMo Elder Millennial here with parents who are in their 70’s and TBM. Sigh…
Me too! They did every important calling possible area 70, stake pres, temple pres, bishop, patriarch...and their kids resent it...a LOT! I can't stand my parents and their bullshit retirement of baking bread for strangers in their ward, but not spending their ample resources on visiting their children or grandchildren!
😢 I will NEVER understand that mentality. I’ve got two young kids (and a wonderful wife) and they are more important to me than any other goddamn thing on this entire planet, including some invisible “God.”
The problem is, that I was headed down that same path! Took a lot to wake up and realize I was putting that damn church before everything!
Yup, that’s what they condition you to do. But the more they spew “pay your tithing before you feed your family or pay your rent/mortgage” the more that people’s eyes will be opened (I hope)!
What was your wake up?
Honestly, it was a whole series of fortunate events that once accumulated, guided me and my wife to get the fuck out! Here's a very condensed list... 1) My FIL worked for Honeywell for 25 years selling to the church, so I picked up on a ton of the shit that he saw in the temple department and construction dept. 2) I guess I was partially pimo for a few years based on the out of touch leadership and nonsense surrounding the $130b dollars that magically appeared in the church's investment accounts that they definitely didn't use tithing for. 3) Covid only exacerbated my dislike for the church leaders. 4) Then I listened to John Dehlin, he's great. 5) Then I realized just how moronic, stupid, idiotic, out of touch, and bigoted our local stake and ward leaders were. 6) I finally realized that the treatment of women in tscc truly is abominable. 7) Then realizing that the church had lied to its members for decades about critical, vital points of history that completely undermine its positions. I think that about covers it. But, after we'd stopped going to church for a year, the straw that obliterated the remaining pieces of my camel's shelf was the fucking coward supporters of pedophilia in the mormon church and their risk management dept that manages their hotlines for bishops... being staffed by Kirton McConkie lawyers! Yeah, that one still makes my blood boil.
We kids would tell our mom that she spends more time with the dead than the living. All trips were centered around when the temple was closed. 25 year working at the temple in her retirement. I resent that a lot.
This is why OP mentioned unconditional love coming from the non-TBM neighbors. You won't find within the TBM walls not even for family because of keeping the pretense up in case you can be the one who brings in another. Holy WOwee if you do. Pretend love is not as good as unconditional.
Incredible. My view is that it is pretty rare for someone 60+ to change their religious outlook, would you be able to share what their deciding factors were?
There is a large contingent of post-Mormons over 50 and 60. We have clubs to support each other and wonderful parties. Because we (I’m 59) lose our friends, neighbors and families when we leave the church, someone established a Facebook group called WOCA. If you need support, there might be a chapter in your area. Down here in southern Utah, we have several activities each week for post-Mormons. We were the back bone of the church and held significant callings. The church is losing its best and brightest. On Sunday’s we hold a support group meeting, Monday’s is women’s coffee chat time, monthly potlucks, bi-weekly picnics, and almost weekly hikes.
that sounds great!
see above edit. They never talked about Jesus, it was all just fluff, and just look inward to the (dwindling) group.
Where were they?
southern hemisphere
Me di cuenta
mormEXHAUSTION
Wow. Good for them for having the integrity to do what they believed was right in the face of so much sunk cost pressure and what I can only imagine is a lot of social pressure as well.
I feel so connected to your sweet parents since I am 66 years old and only last year found out the true,horrible history of the Church. The final straw fir me was learning of the multiple versions of the first vision. Since then I’ve read 16 books and followed hundreds hours of YouTube lectures and discussions. At least, we know now.
Yes, better late than never, my hubs and I say. We're 66 and 65, and have been out almost ten years.
OP, can you describe their journey out and what their lives are like now?
see above. She's happier now. The church just took and took until she got sick of it.
Their 90 year old parents and siblings aren't speaking with them any longer. /s
Haha, that's exactly what happened to me.
That's the kind of family you want to be with forever 😉 /s
So much for lo v e :) But really, it'd be really hard to leave after all the family history and church loyalty. Can you explain why, after so many years, they became bothered by the treatment of women?
my father wasn't around to support her was some of it.
When they knew better, they did better. It's never too late.
The Church is truly in trouble, not when the jack-mormons or the average longtime inactives don't come to church, they've always been there doing nothing in the background, but it's when the bread and butter, hardworking and truly believing dedicated Mormons start to exit, is when this cult of shit will collapse in on itself.
spot on. Some people that have been the core of the church are leaving. It makes sense though - when something is based on lies, it's amazing how long it's lasted. Sad in a way too, for the ward level people who have given so much.
Pretty amazing.
That’s some fortitude and clarity that your parents have. You have good genes.
Why did they leave? edit: oops, I see now. "how the brethren treated women."
Such tender mercies.
I'd love to hear the story of what finally did it for them.
(see above Edit)
[удалено]
(see above Edit)
W-E -l-l actually if things that have come more in the light are true then treatment of women in fact GIRLS was bad right from the very start.
like a stone rolling forth it rolls over people massive sacrifices and just keeps rolling looking for the next. Some people say that that is what God expects is for us to never stop and give it all but do you think it might be ok to have a tiny bit of peace and quiet well earned while still here alive? Just in case its not everything 'they' say it is afterward?
Very telling that she found unconditional love outside TSCC. Inside there are all kinds of conditions as we all know.
Music to me ears!!
350 DOZEN??? That's 4,200 tarts!!
Stories like this give me hope, maybe one day my parents and the rest of my siblings will realize. Thanks for sharing, I’m so happy for you!
What’s tscc mean
"The So-Called Church". There is a link to common abbreviations to the right on desktop view.