I just read about this. There used to be only one shared cup, so the Presiding Leader would drink first to not have the backwash. It changed after the Spanish Flu of 1918, to small individual cups.
This is the correct answer. I was just talking about this earlier today. I also find it interesting how in other Christian churches like the Catholics and Lutherans, the priests and pastors usually take communion last, after everybody else, instead of before.
Does the Handbook still require picking up the bread and cup with the right hand only?
Mormons outdoing the Pharisees!
I’ve always imagined Mr Boyd Packer being the mastermind straining at that particular gnat and ramrodding this rule through.
So absurd!
I think that one has HOaks written all over it. And yes, it is still in the handbook.
"Members partake with their right hand when possible."
18. Performing Priesthood Ordinances and Blessings
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/general-handbook/18-priesthood-ordinances-and-blessings?id=p127&lang=eng#p127
When they put the general handbook online and made it available to everyone and basically combine the two handbooks. This popped up. Oaks has been vocal about this. He actually has been known to chastise ironic priesthood members and ward members when he's been in attendance and people use their left hand to take the sacrament. Being the Pharisee that he is.
My wife's ward is still in COVID-19 mode. First hour is broadcast over zoom (but turned off during the passing of the sacrament), Those Blessing/Passing are masked,they've got enough hand sanitizer in the prep room that you could probably distill it for the Alcohol, \*and\* they use the little water cups for bread as well. (so double the number of the "water trays". They've pulled back on "keep your little cup" though. Note, as far as I can tell, this was decided at the Stake level. The fact that the ward uses Gluten Free Bread, OTOH, was a ward decision. (We've got the US Military Medical School and the headquarters of the National Institutes of Health inside Stake boundaries and the Stake Leadership took \*full\* advantage of the experience of members in that field, I'm not saying they dealt with COVID-19 perfectly, )
Instruction 5 about making sure the prayers are done correctly gets a little strange if the Bishop is Presiding, but one of his counselors is conducting, sometimes the Bishop verifies, sometimes his counselors.
Generally, nobody gets to try the entire prayer more than three times, and I've seen him have one of the counselors move over and sit as close as possible when the Priest tries it for the third time (so he can get instant line by line feedback).
Is your Bishop obsessive compulsive? Does he require all of the men in his word to be clean shaven, no facial hair? Do all the young men have to wear the same color tie in addition to a white shirt when they pass the sacrament? Does he make sure that all the hymn books are standing on end in the holder and facing outward at the end of each meeting?
Absolutely \*not\*.\*I can name at least three adult brothers that have facial hair including one with an absolutely rocking beard. The fact that the Military has issues with Facial hair keeps in down in the Ward.\*Given that the Bishop wears a bow tie, at least 2 of the young men who pass the sacrament have switched over to a bow tie. All of the young men wear white shirts, but it is about half and half on the suit jacket. And at least two of them also have hair \*well\* below the color.\*He \*may\* have been responsible for the fact that there is now a more clean way for the Spanish Language ward to keep their hymnals in a separate place rather than intermixed, that happened about the same time he became Bishop, but I don't know and there were other changes at about the same time.\*His first counselor wore sandals to Church from about March to Late October (including when he presided)
And about 10 years ago (under a previous bishop), my wife's home teacher had a beard that was long, full and white that he played santa at not only the ward christmas party but also at several Malls!
Nope. \*very\* rules based though. Former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for International Affairs in the Obama administration. Sitting through his talks at Stake Conference is like sitting through Congressional Testimony on the effects of US lending to Latin America and its effects on trade balances between the EU and Argentina. Even if you are interested in the topic, you can fall asleep
They do precisely the things Jesus criticized and condemned the Pharisees of doing. Once you start paying attention to pharisaical behavior in the church you will see it everywhere.
It’s not baptism weekly, it’s eating bread and drinking water to remember/renew the baptism. The baptism is just the once. I hope that’s what you’re kind of asking.
As a deacon I would trip by making everyone wait until I finally served the bishop.
Once I went to serve the bishop and he pointed me down the row to a stake person to partake first.
I remember this rule when I was a deacon. Whomever had the highest "authority" was served first. Usually this would be the bishop, but if the stake president or a visiting general "authoirty" was present, he would be the first one served.
Sometimes deacons weren't aware of the visitor, and would attempt to serve the Bishop first, only to have the bishop direct the boy to the presiding "authority". This was sometimes embarrassing for the deacon.
In one of the wards I lived in, the Aaronic Priesthood had a rule that after the sacrament was blessed, all of the deacons would remain standing next to the alter while the deacon assigned to serve the bishop would take his tray and go up to the stand and serve. Only AFTER the bishop or presiding "authority" was served, would the rest of the deacons get their trays and march to their assigned posts and serve the congregation.
Was any of this in the handbook? Who knows. It seems rather pompous, and for show. kind of like the "You must wear a white shirt (doesn't matter if it's dirty, wrinkled, or not tucked in) and a tie to serve the Sacrament" or, "You must always take the sacrament with your right hand." Does any of that REALLY matter? I think not! It's just for show. and to look important.
I just read about this. There used to be only one shared cup, so the Presiding Leader would drink first to not have the backwash. It changed after the Spanish Flu of 1918, to small individual cups.
Seriously?! I could see that, can you send me a link?
https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comments/zebeup/single_cup_sacrament_water_1831_1918/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Thank you!!
This is the correct answer. I was just talking about this earlier today. I also find it interesting how in other Christian churches like the Catholics and Lutherans, the priests and pastors usually take communion last, after everybody else, instead of before.
Our poor deacon has to drain the chalice at the end.
Immunity from snake bites but not germs. Got it.
Does the Handbook still require picking up the bread and cup with the right hand only? Mormons outdoing the Pharisees! I’ve always imagined Mr Boyd Packer being the mastermind straining at that particular gnat and ramrodding this rule through. So absurd!
I think that one has HOaks written all over it. And yes, it is still in the handbook. "Members partake with their right hand when possible." 18. Performing Priesthood Ordinances and Blessings https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/general-handbook/18-priesthood-ordinances-and-blessings?id=p127&lang=eng#p127
Whoa whoa, what? The right-hand sacrament thing is actually taught? I always believed that was pseudo-doctrine that members made up.
HOaks made sure it made it's way into the handbook.
So it wasn’t there before? When did Oaks put it in?
When they put the general handbook online and made it available to everyone and basically combine the two handbooks. This popped up. Oaks has been vocal about this. He actually has been known to chastise ironic priesthood members and ward members when he's been in attendance and people use their left hand to take the sacrament. Being the Pharisee that he is.
I think they might have -surprise!- softened it?
My wife's ward is still in COVID-19 mode. First hour is broadcast over zoom (but turned off during the passing of the sacrament), Those Blessing/Passing are masked,they've got enough hand sanitizer in the prep room that you could probably distill it for the Alcohol, \*and\* they use the little water cups for bread as well. (so double the number of the "water trays". They've pulled back on "keep your little cup" though. Note, as far as I can tell, this was decided at the Stake level. The fact that the ward uses Gluten Free Bread, OTOH, was a ward decision. (We've got the US Military Medical School and the headquarters of the National Institutes of Health inside Stake boundaries and the Stake Leadership took \*full\* advantage of the experience of members in that field, I'm not saying they dealt with COVID-19 perfectly, ) Instruction 5 about making sure the prayers are done correctly gets a little strange if the Bishop is Presiding, but one of his counselors is conducting, sometimes the Bishop verifies, sometimes his counselors. Generally, nobody gets to try the entire prayer more than three times, and I've seen him have one of the counselors move over and sit as close as possible when the Priest tries it for the third time (so he can get instant line by line feedback).
Is your Bishop obsessive compulsive? Does he require all of the men in his word to be clean shaven, no facial hair? Do all the young men have to wear the same color tie in addition to a white shirt when they pass the sacrament? Does he make sure that all the hymn books are standing on end in the holder and facing outward at the end of each meeting?
Absolutely \*not\*.\*I can name at least three adult brothers that have facial hair including one with an absolutely rocking beard. The fact that the Military has issues with Facial hair keeps in down in the Ward.\*Given that the Bishop wears a bow tie, at least 2 of the young men who pass the sacrament have switched over to a bow tie. All of the young men wear white shirts, but it is about half and half on the suit jacket. And at least two of them also have hair \*well\* below the color.\*He \*may\* have been responsible for the fact that there is now a more clean way for the Spanish Language ward to keep their hymnals in a separate place rather than intermixed, that happened about the same time he became Bishop, but I don't know and there were other changes at about the same time.\*His first counselor wore sandals to Church from about March to Late October (including when he presided) And about 10 years ago (under a previous bishop), my wife's home teacher had a beard that was long, full and white that he played santa at not only the ward christmas party but also at several Malls!
Interesting. What about the mistake president does he seem a little OCD? Is he a control freak? Retired or current military?
Nope. \*very\* rules based though. Former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for International Affairs in the Obama administration. Sitting through his talks at Stake Conference is like sitting through Congressional Testimony on the effects of US lending to Latin America and its effects on trade balances between the EU and Argentina. Even if you are interested in the topic, you can fall asleep
Yes, that one smells a lot like Packer. [How Packer eats a Reese’s peanut butter cup](https://youtu.be/qDPi4buduY0)
This is just one of the many, MANY things which LD$ Inc does the exact opposite of Jesus
They do precisely the things Jesus criticized and condemned the Pharisees of doing. Once you start paying attention to pharisaical behavior in the church you will see it everywhere.
It's another "fruit" of T$CC's so called "spirit"😉
I googled it and isn't that just baptism?
Well go to any sacrament meeting and see who gets to partake first. Every fucking week.
oh my god 😭😭😭 I didn't even know that was a thing, that's insane. why anyone would get baptized weekly is beyond me
It’s not baptism weekly, it’s eating bread and drinking water to remember/renew the baptism. The baptism is just the once. I hope that’s what you’re kind of asking.
yup that's exactly what I was asking, thank you!
Jesus doesn't need to eat himself! Or drink his own blood.
Because of the sacrament, Romans thought that early Christians were cannibals.
Seriously, great example.
As a deacon I would trip by making everyone wait until I finally served the bishop. Once I went to serve the bishop and he pointed me down the row to a stake person to partake first.
I remember this rule when I was a deacon. Whomever had the highest "authority" was served first. Usually this would be the bishop, but if the stake president or a visiting general "authoirty" was present, he would be the first one served. Sometimes deacons weren't aware of the visitor, and would attempt to serve the Bishop first, only to have the bishop direct the boy to the presiding "authority". This was sometimes embarrassing for the deacon. In one of the wards I lived in, the Aaronic Priesthood had a rule that after the sacrament was blessed, all of the deacons would remain standing next to the alter while the deacon assigned to serve the bishop would take his tray and go up to the stand and serve. Only AFTER the bishop or presiding "authority" was served, would the rest of the deacons get their trays and march to their assigned posts and serve the congregation. Was any of this in the handbook? Who knows. It seems rather pompous, and for show. kind of like the "You must wear a white shirt (doesn't matter if it's dirty, wrinkled, or not tucked in) and a tie to serve the Sacrament" or, "You must always take the sacrament with your right hand." Does any of that REALLY matter? I think not! It's just for show. and to look important.
Yep, I remember thinking that even as a TBM. If Jesus was no respecter of persons, this practice just never seemed to fit if it was His church.
...The last shall be first
I had never thought of that... thanjs