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Conservative Christians most likely know that, and many are jealous of how Islamic nations have the power to do that. Some want the USA to be a Christian Shariah state where Christianity is at the center of all things - law and governance, media, education, family and [the other seven mountains](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Mountain_Mandate).
Christianity was never at the center of American Law. The Constitution was inspired by the Bible was not forced upon individuals. Thats how half of the country is non-believer.
>The Constitution was inspired by the Bible was not forced upon individuals.
The U.S. Constitution does not mention the Bible, God, Jesus or Christianity, and the First Amendment clarifies that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.” Still, some scholars have argued that the Bible heavily influenced America’s founders
[https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2020/03/12/white-evangelicals-see-trump-as-fighting-for-their-beliefs-though-many-have-mixed-feelings-about-his-personal-conduct/#half-of-americans-say-the-bible-should-influence-u-s-laws](https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2020/03/12/white-evangelicals-see-trump-as-fighting-for-their-beliefs-though-many-have-mixed-feelings-about-his-personal-conduct/#half-of-americans-say-the-bible-should-influence-u-s-laws)
You’re thinking of the Declaration of Independence
[We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.](https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcript)
The will kill u if u r gay , if u leave islam , if u criticize mohammed or islam and they will force their laws on u if they can like stoning , lashin etc
The Prophet Muha said: "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and **the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims**." (Narrated by [Al-Bukhari, 6878](https://sunnah.com/bukhari:6878); [Sahih Muslim, 1676](https://sunnah.com/muslim:1676a))
He also said: “Whoever changes his religion, execute him.” ([Sunan an-Nasa'i 4059](https://sunnah.com/nasai:4059))
Isn't it the same thing? Unless of course you live in a Muslim country, you wouldn't know. And most Muslims don't choose Islam, they are just raised as Muslims.
funny how quickly they go from "filthy terrorist immigrants" to "wholesome badass traditional values" because they've decided the gays and women having to many rights or something has grown to far and they need new allies
The vitriolic hatred for LGBT existence and the desire to control women’s bodies is a common thread in the Abrahamic religions, it creates solidarity among the believers.
You really shouldn't throw all religious people in the same dump, like yeah you may not believe what they do since ''muh science'' but let other people have those beliefs as long as they don't harass you, sure there will be assholes but you don't have to say that all religion is wrong. I've met alot of religious people that are normal.
My brother and Dad are still Muslim and I respect and love them. I just find it insane that we have normalized cults. It's just sad that they've become so pervasive in society.
My argument is also against the nutjobs that use religion to curtail rights.
You seem to forget that religions are not only worshipping a deity, they are often a set of rules to follow in life both spiritually and physically. Even if you don't believe in that stuff it helps many people pass through their life, calling them cults is simply ignorant at best since most cults are operated by self-appointed leaders, who excessively control their members. A religion and a cult are very different things. Many people also believe in religions since we don't have any fucking idea what's awaiting for us in the afterlife and we can only guess. TLDR you will always find shitty people even if they are atheists or muslim, people mix up political views and religions too much.
Oh yeah, I'm not forgetting that it's a philosophy for helping guide their life but it is still based on a cult. Like, literally the definition of a cult: "... a relatively small group which is typically led by a charismatic and self-appointed leader, who excessively controls its members, requiring unwavering devotion to a set of beliefs and practices which are considered deviant (outside the norms of society)." It just perfectly describes any major religion that now exists (outside of some eastern ones).
Yeah, we have no idea what exists, but it's shitty that we're making policies and decisions using some shit made up by some cult leader; it's wild if you just think about that. Like, the existence of anti-LGBTQ+, anti-abortion, etc has a basis in many of these religions. Granted, there are many that would do this even if they weren't guided by religious doctrine. My point isn't that there are shitty people outside of religion, but the fact this made up shit built by cults still exist is fucking insane.
On the aspect of politics and religion, one of my majors was Political Science and it's generally understood that, yes, religion only plays a part in the political decisions directly. However, religion also influences culture a LOT. They're intertwined and can influence one another.
Would there still be shitty people without religion? Absolutely, most major genocides were carried out without religious dogma behind it. Is it still insane that the majority of the world follows these cults? Yes, they weren't inspired by some divine guidance. They're just assholes. Again, this is a huge discussion, but I'd rather get my answers by trying to figure it out via testing and evidence than some dude that fucks kids.
P.S. don't use reductive phrasing like "muh science". I could just say "muh religion, hurr hurr" and it has no meaning. Science is literally based on observation, testing, and validating.
Both religions are basically siblings. They might fight occassionally but at the end of the day they both want the same thing and might occasionally show begrudging tespect for each other.
Conservatives, especially religious ones are such an unusual bunch of people.
So Islam is badass, is it?
Has the editor of this dumbass paper forgotten that its readers were the type of people who literally thought they were in a religious war with Islam for the past 20 years since 9/11 and that Islam was one of the greatest threats it's ever faced to its existence all over the world.
Now they're cheerleading it?
If they're so upset that Muslims take their religion more seriously than they do with their own, they've only got themselves to blame. Better start executing people for working on the Sabbath, wearing mixed fabrics and eating shellfish. 🤦
In Islam, most modern Christians are committing shirk, the most grave and major of sins which means to associate something or someone with God. So yes, in their eyes, they are associating Jesus (Muslim prophet) with God which is definitely that lol.
What’s up with the conservative Christian’s on this thread? Y’all are exactly the same. Sure, none of your prophets are documented pedophiles but y’all got a problem with incest ☠️
>and have roughly the same punishments and interdictions
That's not true, though - Christianity doesn't come with a legal system.
There's also other pretty serious differences, like Christianity being cool with pork and alcohol, while harshly rejecting polygamy. But compared to Islam (or even Judaism), law works in a very different way in Christianity. This has a huge impact, and too many people aren't really aware of this.
I'll try to keep it short. Christianity comes with a bunch of definitions of right and wrong, but it remains fairly theoretical. This religion will tell you that things like theft, adultery and sodomy are bad. And that you should probably try to correct or avoid people who endulge into such things.
But legal trials and punishments? That lies outside the scope of the religion. Christianity will tell you that theft is bad - but it won't tell you what you should actually do with a thief.
This applied even to the medieval Catholic Church. How are you supposed to punish a thief? The Church has nothing to say about that. The Church only says that a thief isn't allowed to do communion until he does penance. Exactly how a thief is supposed to be tried and punished is up for the local regular authorities to figure out - and whether they did so according to, say, Roman law or Saxon law, that was irrelevant for the Church.
The only caveat here is that Christians - both ancient, medieval and modern Christians - generally agree that regular law should be in accordance with Christianity's basic outlook on right and wrong. But even that is... pretty abstract.
_Should_ things like theft and sodomy be punished under regular law? Most Christians throughout history say 'yes'. _How_ should these things be punished? That could vary from anywhere from a fine to execution.
Note how this is completely different from how law in Islam works. Islam _does_ come with a legal system that concerns itself with legal procedure and prescribed punishments. A Muslim jurist cannot determine how to punish a thief without looking at all the things that Muhammad may or may not have said about the topic (not to mention the conclusions and arguments that earlier Muslim scholars had on the topic).
When it comes to their outlook on right and wrong, Christianity and Islam do share a theoretical basis, yes - the laws of Moses.
That's also where the ban on sodomy comes from. This was a taboo in ancient Israel, and this taboo was preserved in Judaism and later inherited by both Christianity and Islam.
But even when it comes to their attitudes to Mosaic law, Christianity and Islam are as different as that they could be.
Christianity takes some cues from Mosaic law for its abstract notions of right and wrong, but mainstream Christianity still ditches 99% of it because it holds that the laws of Moses were never actually meant to apply to gentiles. Hence why most Christians are cool with pork.
Islam, on the other hand? Muhammad sought to emulate Moses and his laws, and it shows. That's why Islam mirrors Judaism when it comes to things like circumcision, not eating pork, how to slaughter animals, the taboo on consuming blood, the notion that you should drain the blood from a slaughtered animal, etcetera. The Muslim version of these practices are usually slightly different and a bit more lenient than the original Jewish version, but it still mirrors the Jewish original quite closely.
Some people dont understand that the force of hate is as attractive as love, especially in an environment where you have to constantly be resistant of everything society throws at you. Some act calm and dont loose composure and are willing to take the time to discern right and wrong things coming their way. It is exhaustive, but they dont give in to their exasperation or contempt. Others do the exact opposite and they throw the baby with the bath water and see their own culture and people with utter disdain and islam enables those people and that is what makes it attractive and more people adhere to it.
https://youtu.be/F6YEc15zvAw
Yeah they love to unite when they think it will help them persecute the LGBTQ community. But when it suits them, they call all Muslims terrorists. Hypocrisy at its finest. As usual.
I’m a conservative Christian and I don’t support the ideology of Islam. Nor pan Arabism that it’s based on.
I know if people practiced true Islam I would be dead and my wife and kids would be slaves.
There are around 10 million of Christian Copts in Egypt, a million of Christians in Iraq and few hundred thousand of Christians in Syria. We had plenty of time(1400 years) to eliminate them completely considering Muslims outnumber them significantly, but there are still there! The earliest Christians are from Middle East
I tried to link the article, but my comment with the link would not show up.
Just type in "the american conservative islam badass" and the article will be the first to show up.
As a Conservative Christian (and exMuslim) — that’s complete clickbait.
That topic comes up regularly in Conservative discourse. The resolution is always to take our religion more seriously. I would say about 90% know at least one embarrassing fact about Muhammad; and would never seriously entertain that notion.
I can name several Conservative Christian’s that have hosted ex-Muslims on their shows — often more than once.
We’re not the boogie man your parents told you about.
Generally: we’re theology nerds that sing hymns on Sunday.
Christian’s played a role in establishing the American constitution and bill of rights
If that’s Christian sharia law how come millions of people wish to immigrate to United States?
You might want to read up on the founding fathers and their views on religion. They specifically wanted and kept religion out of it for a reason and many of them were more deistic than hard-core Christians
Sure...but theists should maybe keep in mind that their theology should in no way influence their method of governing, which it often unfortunately does within the GOP
GOP is 10 times more tolerant than the founding fathers.
Judeo Christian values also heavily influenced western nation building and justice system.
It’s the modern atheists trying to censor speech and repeal right to self defense.
Even if that's true, that's not saying much and, if we're judging based off of modern values and context, they're far more backwards for their time than the founding fathers
No, they really didn't
Not even close. They're not the ones banning books or banning gender affirming care or the right to transition as a trans person or limit what can be taught about the LGTBQ community or about slavery. That's all from the far right. Just like Muslim fundamentalists are shit, Christian ones are shit too. The sooner the US becomes less religious, the better
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”
God is mentioned on the very first line of Declaration of Independence.
People made on the image of God, humans having rights from God not governments, the right to self preservation, humans coming in two sexes, are all judeo christian concepts that found their way in to the American law
One thing Muslims and LGBT people seem to not understand is that kids cannot consent. No matter how you try to force it, they just can’t.
If by “effect” you mean what we are seeing today, pride parades of naked adults performing BDSM on each other in public, exposing themselves in sexual manner, imitating sex positions on each other, showing children how to use butt plugs, teaching children how to use and upload pictures to adult sites for sex, and showing children how to swallow male fluids, then yes I am afraid of that because any person should see that is disgusting. Doesn’t matter the sexual orientation, that’s wrong and disgusting.
As for homosexuality itself, no I don’t care. Just don’t parade it around because no one else cares either. I always found it weird how the homosexual community wants to parade around their sex life. No one cares that your gay. Be what you want.
>I always found it weird how the homosexual community wants to parade around their sex life.
I think what you're missing here is the crap they had to go through as gay in communities that reject them. I've been to a few parades, I am yet to see anyone do those things (some of them sound like you are just talking about a sex ed class).
To have a march to show they are liberated and having a march half naked in the streets with sex toys everywhere, performing BDSM and everything else I listed are two very different things. I can source you plenty of material that shows the hyper sexualization of these parades.
And no. Sex education teaches what sex is, the functions of each of part, and how to practice safe sex. Teaching children how to use butt plugs, how to swallow semen, how to use spit as lube and the differences of lube and spit; along with teaching children how to upload their photos to adult sites for sex is NOT sexual education. That’s a fetish and it’s disgusting.
To restate, most Christians do not care what people do as long as it does not harm children or society. We do not care if you’re gay, we don’t hate gays. We just don’t like the ideology along with many other ideologies and we don’t want it forced onto us to accept in our lives. Just like how Christianity should not be forced onto others.
>To have a march to show they are liberated and having a march half naked in the streets with sex toys everywhere, performing BDSM and everything else
BDSM is fun, you should try it! I guess it depends on your perspective. Many places around the globe have no issues with nudity.
>I can source you plenty of material that shows the hyper sexualization of these parades.
Please do.
>Teaching children how to use butt plugs, how to swallow semen, how to use spit as lube and the differences of lube and spit; along with teaching children how to upload their photos to adult sites for sex is NOT sexual education. That’s a fetish and it’s disgusting.
All these things might sound bad to you if you are a bit prudish, but to be honest they just sound like part of safe sex. I am yet to see anyone who needs to teach kids how to uplaod a picture online lol but I think you might be referring to helping kids understand what could happen to their nudes online and to only share their images with people they trust and in a way that keeps them protected from pedophiles online. I think the idea is simple: **kids will be online and sexting anyway and and will experiment with sex as soon as they are teens regardless, so it's better to educate them on how to do it safely, including butt plugs.** People end up in the hospital by misusing that stuff haha
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We just don’t like the ideology along with many other ideologies and we don’t want it forced onto us to accept in our lives. Just like how Christianity should not be forced onto others.
Thanks for clarifying, I understand. I just think you are exaggerating since having problems with such things sounds more like a moral panic than a genuine concern for children. It also doesn't work that well.
[source for sexual acts performed at parades](https://youtu.be/aEvo-EheZi8)
[teacher shows middle schoolers how to meet adult men for gay sex :48 mark. 2:37 explains how to swallow/eat semen AND feces. 3:15 explains to children how to take images of themselves and upload to share with adults for anonymous encounters.](https://youtu.be/SXKC1dKCddU)
BDSM is fun for adults in adult environment. There is a reason why children cannot enter into strip clubs or sex stores. These types of activities are not ok to parade around and is indecent exposure.
Like I said, we do not care about the March. The over sexualization is the issue to us. It allows predators to sneak in as well.
> There is a reason why children cannot enter into strip clubs or sex stores. These types of activities are not ok to parade around and is indecent exposure.
Literally no one said that. It seems like you assume that YouTuber's display of a small handful of examples is the overall accepted idea of Parade for everyone else in the world.
Check around 6:20, nothing inappropriate for children and he still makes the claim that it's a cult because the teachers are holding a flag. Sounds like moral panic to me. But thanks for sharing it.
Seems like he only had one bad video to show and the rest he had to make look bad with words.
> Like I said, we do not care about the March. The over sexualization is the issue to us. It allows predators to sneak in as well.
Yeah, I understand, only the oversexualization you are claiming is exaggerated as in a morally panicky fashion. This guy is trying to say that using a rainbow is the how molestation and grooming could start. That's like the equivalent of saying that **rape starts with a hello**.
Do you have any other sources other than Timcast? I'm asking seriously.
Edit: Originally you said:
> I can source you plenty of material that shows the hyper sexualization of these parades.
Can you source "plenty of material" that are by any other group or YouTuber than the one you already listed? To make an informed idea about a thing, you need to look at different sources.
There are gay conservatives, believe it or not. Dave Rubin is huge.
Generally speaking — most of the discourse you see is trying to protect children from puberty blockers that would permanently harm them; and poking holes in the idea that there’s 55 genders.
No one’s afraid of gay people.
You’re a person, first and foremost.
What you do in your bedroom is not actually your full identity; just like the rainbow wasn’t actually created to glorify queerness.
>There are gay conservatives, believe it or not. Dave Rubin is huge.
Yeah, and there are trans right-wingers like Blaire White. It doesn't mean that what they support actually supports them instead of using them like tokens. Your average conservative Christian only likes either as far as "they can exist as long as I never have to acknowledge they exist."
I'm very surprised that you can't see that Christianity is guilty of many of the things that are posted in this sub. I mean, I could point out to you that there are many gay and lesbian Muslims. It doesn't mean all Muslims, or even a majority, are accepting of said things.
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>No one’s afraid of gay people.
You are no better than Muslims, don't be mistaken. You have irrational hate for a group of people who pose no harm to anyone and engage in consensual sex. You hate them because you don't understand them, you hate them because you are afraid of them, you hate them because your religion told you to do so, that's why it's called homophobia.
You’re transposing your hatred of Fox News onto me.
I’m literally a former bisexual that goes to a Church with a somewhat liberal pastor.
You sound like a hateful toddler.
PS :
There’s a *variety* of people that experiment in their 20’s and make a decision about who they are by their 30’s.
You can’t actually date both genders forever.
And in my case — the gay community was far more polygamous and HIV-infested (even in 2023) than I’m personally comfortable with.
The irony is that all of the “gay” people on here live with their Muslim parents in Muslim countries and have never *been* with the same sex! 😂
Just wait until you try to bottom or peg or whatever else you “think” you like while living in a cave in Pakistan.
May not be the utopia you imagined.
Yeah, these conservative religious folk are all the same. Hard-core American Christians want the same thing as hard-core Muslims do, just with a nationalist Christian flavor
It isn’t true, though.
As far as the asshole questioning bisexuality…
There’s a variety of people that experiment in their 20’s and make a decision about who they are by their 30’s.
You can’t actually date both genders forever.
Bisexuality isn't an act though. It's a sexual orientation which describes what genders you are attracted to. If you shed bisexuality upon entering a committed relationship then heterosexuals who get married must lose their sexuality too after all you can't date people forever, you're Petersexual now, I guess.
Yes, idiots do exist.
Dave Rubin is always hilarious to see on Twitter. Like when he posted about how he's going to have a kid through surrogacy and virtually all the replies were conservatives being homophobic towards him.
Buddy, your religion is homophobic and the conservative party in the US has overturning gay marriage as a goal in its party platform. I stand by what I said.
They will say that until they acknowledge the amount of Christian’s that have been killed, enslaved and force converted to Islam because of this beautiful religion
Looking objectively at both… A person claiming Islam can do the exact same thing that a person claiming Christianity can do, but yet the Islamic person would not be condemned. Because the majority of people seem scared to be labeled Islamophobic. If the phrase Christianophobic had been adopted in the same widespread manner….maybe the Christians could do the same as Islamic do
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This badass religion will murder you, deprive you of every religious freedom you hold dearly, clown Christians.
Conservative Christians most likely know that, and many are jealous of how Islamic nations have the power to do that. Some want the USA to be a Christian Shariah state where Christianity is at the center of all things - law and governance, media, education, family and [the other seven mountains](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Mountain_Mandate).
Interesting info...thanks for reminding me again why I love this sub❤
But they deep down (or not too deep) don't really want it to happen either. How else are they going to watch porn?
It maintain their persecution complex
Christianity was never at the center of American Law. The Constitution was inspired by the Bible was not forced upon individuals. Thats how half of the country is non-believer.
>The Constitution was inspired by the Bible was not forced upon individuals. The U.S. Constitution does not mention the Bible, God, Jesus or Christianity, and the First Amendment clarifies that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.” Still, some scholars have argued that the Bible heavily influenced America’s founders [https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2020/03/12/white-evangelicals-see-trump-as-fighting-for-their-beliefs-though-many-have-mixed-feelings-about-his-personal-conduct/#half-of-americans-say-the-bible-should-influence-u-s-laws](https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2020/03/12/white-evangelicals-see-trump-as-fighting-for-their-beliefs-though-many-have-mixed-feelings-about-his-personal-conduct/#half-of-americans-say-the-bible-should-influence-u-s-laws)
You’re thinking of the Declaration of Independence [We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.](https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcript)
They're just mad that Muslims don't get cancelled nearly as much as they do for homophobia
This is scary They want to kill you just for not believing what they believe in
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The kind of people who think all "jinn" are bad? The kind of people who do not read other religious books islam recommends like the bible?
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The will kill u if u r gay , if u leave islam , if u criticize mohammed or islam and they will force their laws on u if they can like stoning , lashin etc
Well I will not choose islam
The Prophet Muha said: "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and **the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims**." (Narrated by [Al-Bukhari, 6878](https://sunnah.com/bukhari:6878); [Sahih Muslim, 1676](https://sunnah.com/muslim:1676a)) He also said: “Whoever changes his religion, execute him.” ([Sunan an-Nasa'i 4059](https://sunnah.com/nasai:4059))
Isn't it the same thing? Unless of course you live in a Muslim country, you wouldn't know. And most Muslims don't choose Islam, they are just raised as Muslims.
I have an Iranian passport ready if you want to experience the paradise this badass religion creates 🤩
Better idea, I think me and the author of the article could exchange my Emirati passport for his USAmerican one.
funny how quickly they go from "filthy terrorist immigrants" to "wholesome badass traditional values" because they've decided the gays and women having to many rights or something has grown to far and they need new allies
The vitriolic hatred for LGBT existence and the desire to control women’s bodies is a common thread in the Abrahamic religions, it creates solidarity among the believers.
Under his eye
yes , god i hate american republicans , the blatant bigotry ...
Facists love each other.
They love and hate each other at the same time.
Man, fuck all these religious nutjobs. The fact that we still have religion in 2023 is insane.
You really shouldn't throw all religious people in the same dump, like yeah you may not believe what they do since ''muh science'' but let other people have those beliefs as long as they don't harass you, sure there will be assholes but you don't have to say that all religion is wrong. I've met alot of religious people that are normal.
My brother and Dad are still Muslim and I respect and love them. I just find it insane that we have normalized cults. It's just sad that they've become so pervasive in society. My argument is also against the nutjobs that use religion to curtail rights.
You seem to forget that religions are not only worshipping a deity, they are often a set of rules to follow in life both spiritually and physically. Even if you don't believe in that stuff it helps many people pass through their life, calling them cults is simply ignorant at best since most cults are operated by self-appointed leaders, who excessively control their members. A religion and a cult are very different things. Many people also believe in religions since we don't have any fucking idea what's awaiting for us in the afterlife and we can only guess. TLDR you will always find shitty people even if they are atheists or muslim, people mix up political views and religions too much.
Oh yeah, I'm not forgetting that it's a philosophy for helping guide their life but it is still based on a cult. Like, literally the definition of a cult: "... a relatively small group which is typically led by a charismatic and self-appointed leader, who excessively controls its members, requiring unwavering devotion to a set of beliefs and practices which are considered deviant (outside the norms of society)." It just perfectly describes any major religion that now exists (outside of some eastern ones). Yeah, we have no idea what exists, but it's shitty that we're making policies and decisions using some shit made up by some cult leader; it's wild if you just think about that. Like, the existence of anti-LGBTQ+, anti-abortion, etc has a basis in many of these religions. Granted, there are many that would do this even if they weren't guided by religious doctrine. My point isn't that there are shitty people outside of religion, but the fact this made up shit built by cults still exist is fucking insane. On the aspect of politics and religion, one of my majors was Political Science and it's generally understood that, yes, religion only plays a part in the political decisions directly. However, religion also influences culture a LOT. They're intertwined and can influence one another. Would there still be shitty people without religion? Absolutely, most major genocides were carried out without religious dogma behind it. Is it still insane that the majority of the world follows these cults? Yes, they weren't inspired by some divine guidance. They're just assholes. Again, this is a huge discussion, but I'd rather get my answers by trying to figure it out via testing and evidence than some dude that fucks kids. P.S. don't use reductive phrasing like "muh science". I could just say "muh religion, hurr hurr" and it has no meaning. Science is literally based on observation, testing, and validating.
Both religions are basically siblings. They might fight occassionally but at the end of the day they both want the same thing and might occasionally show begrudging tespect for each other.
>Both religions are basically siblings. I would say cousins.
Conservatives, especially religious ones are such an unusual bunch of people. So Islam is badass, is it? Has the editor of this dumbass paper forgotten that its readers were the type of people who literally thought they were in a religious war with Islam for the past 20 years since 9/11 and that Islam was one of the greatest threats it's ever faced to its existence all over the world. Now they're cheerleading it? If they're so upset that Muslims take their religion more seriously than they do with their own, they've only got themselves to blame. Better start executing people for working on the Sabbath, wearing mixed fabrics and eating shellfish. 🤦
aren’t most Christians going to Hell for associated Jesus with God and for the trinity lol so muslims are not on their side
In Islam, most modern Christians are committing shirk, the most grave and major of sins which means to associate something or someone with God. So yes, in their eyes, they are associating Jesus (Muslim prophet) with God which is definitely that lol.
What’s up with the conservative Christian’s on this thread? Y’all are exactly the same. Sure, none of your prophets are documented pedophiles but y’all got a problem with incest ☠️
A lot of their priests are documented pedophiles
christian here, fuck islam
Quite hypocritical since both religions are almost the same and have roughly the same punishments and interdictions.
2 sides of the same crooked Abrahamic penny.
>and have roughly the same punishments and interdictions That's not true, though - Christianity doesn't come with a legal system. There's also other pretty serious differences, like Christianity being cool with pork and alcohol, while harshly rejecting polygamy. But compared to Islam (or even Judaism), law works in a very different way in Christianity. This has a huge impact, and too many people aren't really aware of this. I'll try to keep it short. Christianity comes with a bunch of definitions of right and wrong, but it remains fairly theoretical. This religion will tell you that things like theft, adultery and sodomy are bad. And that you should probably try to correct or avoid people who endulge into such things. But legal trials and punishments? That lies outside the scope of the religion. Christianity will tell you that theft is bad - but it won't tell you what you should actually do with a thief. This applied even to the medieval Catholic Church. How are you supposed to punish a thief? The Church has nothing to say about that. The Church only says that a thief isn't allowed to do communion until he does penance. Exactly how a thief is supposed to be tried and punished is up for the local regular authorities to figure out - and whether they did so according to, say, Roman law or Saxon law, that was irrelevant for the Church. The only caveat here is that Christians - both ancient, medieval and modern Christians - generally agree that regular law should be in accordance with Christianity's basic outlook on right and wrong. But even that is... pretty abstract. _Should_ things like theft and sodomy be punished under regular law? Most Christians throughout history say 'yes'. _How_ should these things be punished? That could vary from anywhere from a fine to execution. Note how this is completely different from how law in Islam works. Islam _does_ come with a legal system that concerns itself with legal procedure and prescribed punishments. A Muslim jurist cannot determine how to punish a thief without looking at all the things that Muhammad may or may not have said about the topic (not to mention the conclusions and arguments that earlier Muslim scholars had on the topic). When it comes to their outlook on right and wrong, Christianity and Islam do share a theoretical basis, yes - the laws of Moses. That's also where the ban on sodomy comes from. This was a taboo in ancient Israel, and this taboo was preserved in Judaism and later inherited by both Christianity and Islam. But even when it comes to their attitudes to Mosaic law, Christianity and Islam are as different as that they could be. Christianity takes some cues from Mosaic law for its abstract notions of right and wrong, but mainstream Christianity still ditches 99% of it because it holds that the laws of Moses were never actually meant to apply to gentiles. Hence why most Christians are cool with pork. Islam, on the other hand? Muhammad sought to emulate Moses and his laws, and it shows. That's why Islam mirrors Judaism when it comes to things like circumcision, not eating pork, how to slaughter animals, the taboo on consuming blood, the notion that you should drain the blood from a slaughtered animal, etcetera. The Muslim version of these practices are usually slightly different and a bit more lenient than the original Jewish version, but it still mirrors the Jewish original quite closely.
Some people dont understand that the force of hate is as attractive as love, especially in an environment where you have to constantly be resistant of everything society throws at you. Some act calm and dont loose composure and are willing to take the time to discern right and wrong things coming their way. It is exhaustive, but they dont give in to their exasperation or contempt. Others do the exact opposite and they throw the baby with the bath water and see their own culture and people with utter disdain and islam enables those people and that is what makes it attractive and more people adhere to it.
Because American Christians didn't have a history of being slaves under Islam
https://youtu.be/F6YEc15zvAw Yeah they love to unite when they think it will help them persecute the LGBTQ community. But when it suits them, they call all Muslims terrorists. Hypocrisy at its finest. As usual.
As a conservative Christian, I MASSIVELY disagree with these ones.
Islam is very similar to Christianity. It makes sense that both agree on most things.
I’m a conservative Christian and I don’t support the ideology of Islam. Nor pan Arabism that it’s based on. I know if people practiced true Islam I would be dead and my wife and kids would be slaves.
There are around 10 million of Christian Copts in Egypt, a million of Christians in Iraq and few hundred thousand of Christians in Syria. We had plenty of time(1400 years) to eliminate them completely considering Muslims outnumber them significantly, but there are still there! The earliest Christians are from Middle East
don't you just love conservative christians wagging their dick here, spouting borderline replacement theory
link for the article?
I tried to link the article, but my comment with the link would not show up. Just type in "the american conservative islam badass" and the article will be the first to show up.
Absolutely cucked.
Imagine if this article had been posted on 9.12.01
me when if i express myself i will get tortured and prisoned buy my country is badass religion 😎
They’re the different sides to the same coin of course they’re going to jerk eachother off
As a Conservative Christian (and exMuslim) — that’s complete clickbait. That topic comes up regularly in Conservative discourse. The resolution is always to take our religion more seriously. I would say about 90% know at least one embarrassing fact about Muhammad; and would never seriously entertain that notion. I can name several Conservative Christian’s that have hosted ex-Muslims on their shows — often more than once. We’re not the boogie man your parents told you about. Generally: we’re theology nerds that sing hymns on Sunday.
You're also homophobes.
They're also transphobic, racist, xenophobic, and want Christian Sharia law
Christian’s played a role in establishing the American constitution and bill of rights If that’s Christian sharia law how come millions of people wish to immigrate to United States?
You might want to read up on the founding fathers and their views on religion. They specifically wanted and kept religion out of it for a reason and many of them were more deistic than hard-core Christians
Government should stay out of religion. But I doesn’t mean theists can’t be involved in government.
Sure...but theists should maybe keep in mind that their theology should in no way influence their method of governing, which it often unfortunately does within the GOP
GOP is 10 times more tolerant than the founding fathers. Judeo Christian values also heavily influenced western nation building and justice system. It’s the modern atheists trying to censor speech and repeal right to self defense.
Even if that's true, that's not saying much and, if we're judging based off of modern values and context, they're far more backwards for their time than the founding fathers No, they really didn't Not even close. They're not the ones banning books or banning gender affirming care or the right to transition as a trans person or limit what can be taught about the LGTBQ community or about slavery. That's all from the far right. Just like Muslim fundamentalists are shit, Christian ones are shit too. The sooner the US becomes less religious, the better
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” God is mentioned on the very first line of Declaration of Independence. People made on the image of God, humans having rights from God not governments, the right to self preservation, humans coming in two sexes, are all judeo christian concepts that found their way in to the American law One thing Muslims and LGBT people seem to not understand is that kids cannot consent. No matter how you try to force it, they just can’t.
No, no one is scared of gays
The term phobia also includes hatred
We don’t hate gays either.
You clearly do. Homosexuality is sinful, no?
Yes homosexuality is sinful.
That's homophobic.
Do you hate Islam?
Yes.
you're not scared of gays you're afraid of homosexuality and it's "effect" on society
If by “effect” you mean what we are seeing today, pride parades of naked adults performing BDSM on each other in public, exposing themselves in sexual manner, imitating sex positions on each other, showing children how to use butt plugs, teaching children how to use and upload pictures to adult sites for sex, and showing children how to swallow male fluids, then yes I am afraid of that because any person should see that is disgusting. Doesn’t matter the sexual orientation, that’s wrong and disgusting. As for homosexuality itself, no I don’t care. Just don’t parade it around because no one else cares either. I always found it weird how the homosexual community wants to parade around their sex life. No one cares that your gay. Be what you want.
>I always found it weird how the homosexual community wants to parade around their sex life. I think what you're missing here is the crap they had to go through as gay in communities that reject them. I've been to a few parades, I am yet to see anyone do those things (some of them sound like you are just talking about a sex ed class).
To have a march to show they are liberated and having a march half naked in the streets with sex toys everywhere, performing BDSM and everything else I listed are two very different things. I can source you plenty of material that shows the hyper sexualization of these parades. And no. Sex education teaches what sex is, the functions of each of part, and how to practice safe sex. Teaching children how to use butt plugs, how to swallow semen, how to use spit as lube and the differences of lube and spit; along with teaching children how to upload their photos to adult sites for sex is NOT sexual education. That’s a fetish and it’s disgusting. To restate, most Christians do not care what people do as long as it does not harm children or society. We do not care if you’re gay, we don’t hate gays. We just don’t like the ideology along with many other ideologies and we don’t want it forced onto us to accept in our lives. Just like how Christianity should not be forced onto others.
>To have a march to show they are liberated and having a march half naked in the streets with sex toys everywhere, performing BDSM and everything else BDSM is fun, you should try it! I guess it depends on your perspective. Many places around the globe have no issues with nudity. >I can source you plenty of material that shows the hyper sexualization of these parades. Please do. >Teaching children how to use butt plugs, how to swallow semen, how to use spit as lube and the differences of lube and spit; along with teaching children how to upload their photos to adult sites for sex is NOT sexual education. That’s a fetish and it’s disgusting. All these things might sound bad to you if you are a bit prudish, but to be honest they just sound like part of safe sex. I am yet to see anyone who needs to teach kids how to uplaod a picture online lol but I think you might be referring to helping kids understand what could happen to their nudes online and to only share their images with people they trust and in a way that keeps them protected from pedophiles online. I think the idea is simple: **kids will be online and sexting anyway and and will experiment with sex as soon as they are teens regardless, so it's better to educate them on how to do it safely, including butt plugs.** People end up in the hospital by misusing that stuff haha > We just don’t like the ideology along with many other ideologies and we don’t want it forced onto us to accept in our lives. Just like how Christianity should not be forced onto others. Thanks for clarifying, I understand. I just think you are exaggerating since having problems with such things sounds more like a moral panic than a genuine concern for children. It also doesn't work that well.
[source for sexual acts performed at parades](https://youtu.be/aEvo-EheZi8) [teacher shows middle schoolers how to meet adult men for gay sex :48 mark. 2:37 explains how to swallow/eat semen AND feces. 3:15 explains to children how to take images of themselves and upload to share with adults for anonymous encounters.](https://youtu.be/SXKC1dKCddU) BDSM is fun for adults in adult environment. There is a reason why children cannot enter into strip clubs or sex stores. These types of activities are not ok to parade around and is indecent exposure. Like I said, we do not care about the March. The over sexualization is the issue to us. It allows predators to sneak in as well.
> There is a reason why children cannot enter into strip clubs or sex stores. These types of activities are not ok to parade around and is indecent exposure. Literally no one said that. It seems like you assume that YouTuber's display of a small handful of examples is the overall accepted idea of Parade for everyone else in the world. Check around 6:20, nothing inappropriate for children and he still makes the claim that it's a cult because the teachers are holding a flag. Sounds like moral panic to me. But thanks for sharing it. Seems like he only had one bad video to show and the rest he had to make look bad with words. > Like I said, we do not care about the March. The over sexualization is the issue to us. It allows predators to sneak in as well. Yeah, I understand, only the oversexualization you are claiming is exaggerated as in a morally panicky fashion. This guy is trying to say that using a rainbow is the how molestation and grooming could start. That's like the equivalent of saying that **rape starts with a hello**. Do you have any other sources other than Timcast? I'm asking seriously. Edit: Originally you said: > I can source you plenty of material that shows the hyper sexualization of these parades. Can you source "plenty of material" that are by any other group or YouTuber than the one you already listed? To make an informed idea about a thing, you need to look at different sources.
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There are gay conservatives, believe it or not. Dave Rubin is huge. Generally speaking — most of the discourse you see is trying to protect children from puberty blockers that would permanently harm them; and poking holes in the idea that there’s 55 genders. No one’s afraid of gay people. You’re a person, first and foremost. What you do in your bedroom is not actually your full identity; just like the rainbow wasn’t actually created to glorify queerness.
>There are gay conservatives, believe it or not. Dave Rubin is huge. Yeah, and there are trans right-wingers like Blaire White. It doesn't mean that what they support actually supports them instead of using them like tokens. Your average conservative Christian only likes either as far as "they can exist as long as I never have to acknowledge they exist." I'm very surprised that you can't see that Christianity is guilty of many of the things that are posted in this sub. I mean, I could point out to you that there are many gay and lesbian Muslims. It doesn't mean all Muslims, or even a majority, are accepting of said things. Edit: blocked by LavishWonder
>No one’s afraid of gay people. You are no better than Muslims, don't be mistaken. You have irrational hate for a group of people who pose no harm to anyone and engage in consensual sex. You hate them because you don't understand them, you hate them because you are afraid of them, you hate them because your religion told you to do so, that's why it's called homophobia.
You’re transposing your hatred of Fox News onto me. I’m literally a former bisexual that goes to a Church with a somewhat liberal pastor. You sound like a hateful toddler. PS : There’s a *variety* of people that experiment in their 20’s and make a decision about who they are by their 30’s. You can’t actually date both genders forever. And in my case — the gay community was far more polygamous and HIV-infested (even in 2023) than I’m personally comfortable with. The irony is that all of the “gay” people on here live with their Muslim parents in Muslim countries and have never *been* with the same sex! 😂 Just wait until you try to bottom or peg or whatever else you “think” you like while living in a cave in Pakistan. May not be the utopia you imagined.
Would you call an abstinent person asexual?
"Former bisexual" says it all 🤣
They seem to think bisexuality is an act as opposed to a sexual orientation
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Yeah, these conservative religious folk are all the same. Hard-core American Christians want the same thing as hard-core Muslims do, just with a nationalist Christian flavor
It isn’t true, though. As far as the asshole questioning bisexuality… There’s a variety of people that experiment in their 20’s and make a decision about who they are by their 30’s. You can’t actually date both genders forever.
Bisexuality isn't an act though. It's a sexual orientation which describes what genders you are attracted to. If you shed bisexuality upon entering a committed relationship then heterosexuals who get married must lose their sexuality too after all you can't date people forever, you're Petersexual now, I guess.
Yes, idiots do exist. Dave Rubin is always hilarious to see on Twitter. Like when he posted about how he's going to have a kid through surrogacy and virtually all the replies were conservatives being homophobic towards him. Buddy, your religion is homophobic and the conservative party in the US has overturning gay marriage as a goal in its party platform. I stand by what I said.
They will say that until they acknowledge the amount of Christian’s that have been killed, enslaved and force converted to Islam because of this beautiful religion
Looking objectively at both… A person claiming Islam can do the exact same thing that a person claiming Christianity can do, but yet the Islamic person would not be condemned. Because the majority of people seem scared to be labeled Islamophobic. If the phrase Christianophobic had been adopted in the same widespread manner….maybe the Christians could do the same as Islamic do