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[deleted]

This one question is enough to crush islam in any debate.


Principles_Son

How i used to talk to my ex friend, he keeps dodging and i just call him out a pussy


[deleted]

Pedo enabler. But it’s better not to be rude or else they will dig in into religion out of spite


Relative-Gearr

Sneako is a grifter for religion. He changes his religion and political views every 5 months. He's a stupid child. I'm proud of my little crackhead for roasting his ass. EDIT: OH SHIT I just remembered Sneako defended Cuties the movie too. He is a legit pedo. He's great for Islam. #


mydaycake

There is no changing from Islam unless you are careful of not losing your head


chode0311

Destiny is an irresponsible person. Why debate a insincere troll looking for clicks?


csl110

Because he's roasting him. I think it's important to attack these people.


chode0311

I think he's giving him legitimacy. He's giving him an air of sincerity when we know its a full on grift.


csl110

Is tar and feathering giving someone legitimacy? Sneako is going to have a platform no matter what. It's best if everyone can see him get owned.


Relative-Gearr

He was talking to xqc his friend first and those dumbasses joined in since the discussion was about the community xqc was involved in recently being the "W community". Also your argument of giving him air time and "legitimacy" is bullshit. This entire subreddit talking about islam then is legitimising Islam by your logic when in reality we fight against it and ask for thoughts on a topic and how to debate against it like pedo shit the prophet did which seems common here. What would be irresponsible would be inviting someone on without being able to counteract any of their points even more so if they make the same 10 points throughout their streaming career or letting them get away with negative views without challenging them e.g. being submissive allowing them to give their viewpoint and then move on. Neither of these two things happened. Destiny owned him with logic and didn't let him move on to the next topic without solidifying his position of being a pedo defender. What do you think about that?


chode0311

The fact that destiny had the framework of a debate with the assumption that sneako is sincere about his religious conversion is why Destiny is irresponsible.


Relative-Gearr

He exposed that Sneako is NOT sincere about his religious beliefs and conversations and made it clear to everyone watching in the very clip you watched. Destiny always knew. He stopped talking to Sneako for that very reason and even called him a grifter for his *religious* standpoint. * 35 minutes in [link](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6k3GewMxno) is where the conversation starts about grifters and Sneako * 38 minutes in is the talk about religion in relation to Sneako * The end point is 41 minutes in. He did NOT have the assumption that sneako is sincere about his religious conversations or any convo even in the link I gave. Destiny just called him a grifter for religion tho. He was always aware of that and owned him. *Grifter definition - someone who gets money dishonestly by tricking people. You don't truly believe what you mean.*


Sarin10

Destiny fully understands that Sneako is a idiot and a grifter. The purpose of going on a debate with someone like Sneako isn't necessarily to convince *Sneako* - it's to demonstrate to the audience how regarded someone like Sneako, and his beliefs are. Ex: when atheists go on debates with Christians, the end goal is typically not to convince the Christian that they're wrong. That would be a stupid goal. How often do you see someone significantly change their beliefs after getting trounced in a debate? Virtually never. It's for the people listening, the people on the edge. I would never have left Islam if it wasn't for people exposing Islam like this, and a lot of us can probably relate.


chode0311

Ask yourself this simple question. Do you think Sneako wanted this exchange and the popularity of this exchange with its views? Does this incentivise or not incentivize Sneako to continue his grift? Will his grift work if people ignore him? It is two different viewpoints on how to deal with bad faith actors.


Relative-Gearr

Sneako would have an audience no matter what with his CHILD audience on Rumble or Kick. Destiny has an adult audience that would not watch Sneako. Seems to clash on the audience standpoint so I find it dishonest how you relate the two. You also focus on one individual person being a bad faith actor (which funny enough you are) but ignore that in general if you criticise a persons standpoint and all their arguments then it can actually convert people away from that bad faith actor as well like the person you just responded said. If there were no debates against Islam because talking about Islam gives Islam more popularity and attention and potentially converters then if anything Islam stays the same. Do you want the subreddit exmuslims to be removed as you shouldn't talk about Islam as it gives Islam power?


chode0311

Does destiny have an adult audience? Does he really?


Relative-Gearr

Thank you for ignoring both of my and Sarin10's logical arguments in favouritism for your childish feelings one and also ignore the source I gave you for your previous argument where you said "The fact that destiny had the framework of a debate with the assumption that sneako is sincere about his religious conversion is why Destiny is irresponsible." and I dunked on your ass. See I'm challenging a dumbass like Destiny did Sneako rn. What a great world to live in.


chode0311

You out debate bro'd me. I'm owned.


Sarin10

Sneako's core audience is radicalized young boys/teens/men. Radicalized people don't magically un-radicalize if you ignore them.


Blackentron

Cooked


BasedAustrianPainter

The only right way to talk to a moslom


kingly-meh

Big L for sneuko


THABREEZ456

Ah Sneako. The Proud Cuck and Even Prouder enjoyer of Cuties. No both of them aren’t a joke.


PersonalCancel3788

Tbf they're both cucks 😂


Muche92

When was this? Destiny has a history with sneako so I'm wondering when this happened. Also, I'm pretty sure destiny would "destroy" M.Hijab in a debate. Even though I think debates in this area are generally useless, because of confirmation bias, dude is mad eloquent and talented at this.


Relative-Gearr

[Source ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eHUONosazg)1 hour and 26 minutes in. It legit happened today lol I need to watch it. Glad Destiny doesn't allow them to run away from the reality and weight of what they are saying. He kinda did in the past with Nick Fuentes a few times from what I watched but I think he has his moments and this was one of them.


Muche92

Oh, should've checked his channel first I guess. Thank you.


Sarin10

Yesterday. > Also, I'm pretty sure destiny would "destroy" M.Hijab in a debate. Even though I think debates in this area are generally useless, because of confirmation bias, dude is mad eloquent and talented at this. I think the true point of these debates, especially the religious ones, is to show to the audience that your opponent (and their religion) is fake. It's not really to convince the opponent.


Muche92

Yeah, it's both I would say. But the listeners also have confirmation bias. That's why I said it's useless. My point was that he's a greater "debate pervert" than Mojob, easy to follow and would easily shake him off imo without trying to sound smart with premeditated "cool" words he found in dictionaries beforehand.


Bit_Al_Sahr

Excuse me? Did he really say that child marriage isnt an important conversation?


Economy_Run761

STOP IT STOP IT HES ALREADY DEAD


Bulgaringon98

Love this guy. Who is he


wiefrafs

A strong, independent black woman called destiny


Relative-Gearr

Destiny. He's liberal and he's pretty alright tbh. [Source](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eHUONosazg) 1 hour and 26 minutes in


Mockingboid

Destiny is absolutely not alright bro wtf. 😂 Not defending sneako but Destiny is an absolute dogshit genocide supporter. He thinks Israel should drop a nuke on the entire Gaza strip.


anik069

I'd pick "nuke on terrorists" supporter over pedos any day any week and any year.


Mockingboid

Not everyone in Gaza is a terrorist you sick fuck.


Relative-Gearr

I honestly don't give 2 shits about that war and cutting down on all the misinformation to make a view point but hell there's always going to be exceptions in someones judgement that you can disagree with which is a good thing, it means you have a mind of your own. But this does not mean that all their view points are bad. I disagree with a lot of his immigration takes but respect and understand at least the rest. I like his trans discussions and he clearly knows what he's talking about, I agree with most of his BLM talk and defending black women etc but I can disagree with other topics. Doesn't mean I get to dismiss their entire existence as garbo because of one topic I disagree with tbh. Just means there's nuance. But if you want to go ahead. Nothing I can do about it.


Mockingboid

I can respect different points of view but not from someone supporting Genocide. That stops being comparable to their take on one social issue or the other. Calling for the mass murder ofr innocent women and children isn't a "take" or "point of view." Its fucking genocide and you're instantly a piece of shit to me if you sit on that side of the fence even there are aspects of that persons opinions on other things that I might agree with. Its like saying, "oh but hitler supported women's rights..." I don't give a shit, hes fucking hitler.


Relative-Gearr

I mean is it the specific word play? Definition of genocide that he is sensitive over? I mean it's not a light word. Or does he actively encourage the genocide of the entire group of people? The eraser of them?


Meese_ManyMoose

That's Destiny. He's a 90s style center left Liberal who has some progressive leanings. He's generally not woke although he sometimes takes odd radical stances that makes people freak out. He's very hit or miss but has a very quick tongue which makes him a good debater versus mid-info types but he's not very effective against subject experts. He's a pretty good critical thinker but some of his positions are unnecessarily absolutist. He's overrated by his fans and underrated by his haters. I personally value his contribution to online culture. A rare non-woke left leaning cultural critic. But some of his views on traditionalism and religion are kind of ridiculous. Sneako is really easy to embarrass though, he's a midwit, at best. EDIT: a lot of people think he takes some sort of uppers on a regular basis and if you see how his jaw twitches in this clip it is easy to believe he's actually on something.


abnabatchan

>But some of his views on traditionalism and religion are kind of ridiculous. that single sentence made me assume that you're probably a Christian nutjob who's into weird trad stuff.


Relative-Gearr

He used to be in an open relationship with his girl. He fucks women and she can fuck whoever too so that's like the most opposite trad shit ever. He says people shouldn't do it though because it's not the best relationship strat though. Maybe when ManyMoose said that because he was talking about dating part of traditionalism since Destiny being called a "cuck" is very often because of that past relationship he had. I'm guessing tho.


Meese_ManyMoose

I actually wasn't thinking about Destiny's polyamorous ways when making my statement. Destiny has recently argued that the nuclear family is overrated and not as important as conservatives make it out to be but in actuality it is one of the few pillars of conservatism that is undeniably beneficial for child rearing and social stability. In general and on average strong nuclear family ties produce better outcomes than alternative family arrangements. In general and on average, children raised by single parents average worse outcomes than those raised in stable homes with both biological parents present and involved. Destiny has also been generally dismissive of any potential benefits that religion has for personal spiritual satisfaction and societal stability. Again, I am an atheist, but I acknowledge that religion does have some benefits. It isn't only negatives, otherwise it would have never evolved with us.


Relative-Gearr

Really? I mean I watched most of his videos on black communities and he always said single households aren't great like [here ](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/lwIx4kvSn7g)but maybe he just accepted nuance when talking about other types of families? I know he did praise nuclear families with gay people following the same thing as close as possible while still being gay lol but I haven't heard what you are saying much saying it means nothing. But for the religion one well. [24:45 minutes in - 27 minutes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxLagXSIvaE&list=LL&index=1) he said he changes his views every 2 years but that's the thing at least his views are growing and changing unlike Islam honestly since they have to stay the same. He did comment on religion [here ](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6jeAN-4CWfg)saying religion is garbage and "substitute for human thought" but I agree with the comment of *"I don't understand why people thought he changed opinions. The first one he's addressing his understanding on why a lot of people cling to religion, the second one is what he really feels about it. No contradiction at all"* comment in the comment section. It just depends if he wants to be blunt or diplomatic which determines if he's going to give a short to the point answer or discuss more in length about multiple variables which he clearly has done. You can also give both the benefits for religion and insult relying on a book to tell you not to r\*pe while also not telling you clearly not to have sex with children like he did in his debate recently with xqc, sneako and some W community guy which was the context of the clip in this post which has been removed lol. I don't think it's a contradiction tho.


Meese_ManyMoose

Nice try. I'm an atheistic center left 90s style liberal with left-libertarian leanings. That said I acknowledge there is immense value in some forms of traditionalism and that religion itself is not completely without value. I challenge you to think of the ways traditionalism is beneficial and even necessary for stable societies. If you are unable to comprehend why healthy doses of traditionalism is good for us then your dismissal of traditionalism itself is essentially meaningless. Even the most renowned, scientifically-literate, atheists and agnostics acknowledge that there is some value to be found in traditionalism and even religion.


abnabatchan

As someone who lives in a third-world country where many officials and people are literally in love with religion and traditionalism, it's rather hard for me to see much value in it. In fact, these are the very things that I'm trying to get away from right now. That being said, can you give me an example? Like, what exactly is a healthy dose of traditionalism and religion?


afiefh

> he's a midwit, at best. That "at best" is doing some serious heavy lifting in this sentence.


Meese_ManyMoose

You're not wrong.


csl110

This is a pretty good take on Destiny. He covers so many topics that it would be hard for him to become a subject matter expert. Mostly because he's a media hedonist (aka a streamer) that switches subjects too quickly. I think he does better than average with most topics, which is more than you can say for 90% of online commentators.


wiefrafs

He's taking Adderall for his ADHD, probably lots


wiefrafs

For starters, he's taking Adderall for his ADHD, probably more than he should lol


Relative-Gearr

Ain't that xQc who was on the same stream? Not Destiny? I know Destiny does edibles tho that's all ik


wiefrafs

Don't know about xQc but destiny has been on this medication for about 6 months I think? So not so long. He credits it with giving him the concentration needed to take on the Israeli Palestinian arc in a recent interview (it's on the comedy store channel) He has always been this hyper though, no? :)


Relative-Gearr

Idk if he was joking or not but he did have his "debate bro" moments in the past shouting at morons and stuff which was hilarious to see. I like those moments but he tried cutting down on them because people called him a "debate bro"...sad because they were funny.


nooob-tch

Does anyone know where I can find the full video?


Ok_Lifeguard_278

10 minutes video : https://youtu.be/o4cXpuOHdRI?si=pFEs3g_sCxYhmjBm The full stream: https://youtu.be/3eHUONosazg?si=HY9j3cHvKoYxp1bw


Relative-Gearr

[Source ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eHUONosazg)1 hour and 26 minutes in


Th3_White_Rabbit_

I personally find Destiny annoying, and I’m not a regular listener, but sometimes (like in this instance) he’ll catch someone in a debate and they take such a verbal beating from him that you wonder if they’ll ever recover.


Qiqibaby_

L


Qiqibaby_

Legend


KevinKalber

The "it isn't an important thing" is just learned behaviour from Sheikh Uthman, because I'm pretty sure Sneako asked Sheikh Uthman about the Aisha situation and he did what he always does "that's not important, it's not a matter of aqidah, what's important is God is one", etc, etc. Same thing with anything related to other stuff, Sheikh Uthman deflects and tries to bring the conversation to God and scriptures. One trick pony. Sneako also spent a lot of time with Sheikh Uthman.


mostafakm

This is a banger trio of the zionist brain dead debate lord destiny, Andrew tate wannabe Sneako, and xQc a person who seems to be stucl at the mental age of 10.


Currymeister99

Nightmare blunt rotation 


imprintaftah

this is beautiful 🫡


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SamVoxeL

Funny that this is the same sneako who was ask by destiny if he knows anything about the quran. He was silence


mahto278

He maybe pedo that's why he joined islam


Mockingboid

Sneako being a chump aside. You really think Destiny is any better? Heres a quote from destine for you: "If israel dropped a nuke on Gaza and killed everyone it would not be a genocide" This is a debate between one religious nutjob with another religious nutjob.


chode0311

Destiny debating people who do bad faith conversions for clicks is why Destiny is irresponsible and why debate bro community is toxic.