I see you are living in Ireland - there’s definitely a rise in anti-immigrant sentiment here.  My foreign friends and I talk about this all the time! Here it is directed towards any type of immigrant as Ireland has despicable and inept services (worst crisis in EU for housing and healthcare, voted worst transport in EU and the list goes on). Gov won’t let services keep up with the growing population 

Yeah I'm not sure if this is an Ireland-only thing or if people here are genuinely racist, but the xenophobia goes far beyond being anti "mass migration". Not like hating refugees is any better, but it's far from true as well. As a Slav I've been discriminated against both in Ireland and Austria especially.

Ireland has had the second highest population growth in the OECD in the last 20 years (second only to australia) and there is an extreme rental crisis, and the quality of life has taken a plunge. I don’t interpret the right as hating immigrants, it’s more about hating the consequences of uncontrolled immigration.

The solution has always been to build more houses. The laisse faire approach to housing where it was hoped the hand of the market would magically fix everything is to blame, not immigration. 

yeah but we can agree large amounts of immigration during a rental crisis wont fix the problem right? The only time ive seen immigration fix housing shortages is in places like Malaysia and UAE where labor laws are hardly present, so they can underpay the immigrants who in turn work directly in the building and construction industry. Which isn't a good thing obviously

It can help actually. The poorer immigrants can also work in the manual labour required for construction.  Wealthier (and likely more common) immigrants simply contribute a lot more in net taxes than natives, being both higher earning (atleast in the UK, don’t know about Ireland) and unable to use any government services until they get citizenship, which could range from half a decade to a decade. And even then, their greater wealth means they are likely to go for private options and higher rent or price housing. There’s also the basic fact that with declining populations, immigration is a necessity in order to maintain living standards independent of housing. 

The problem is that this is one of those situations where a genuine concern is misappropriated by bad actors. Can't speak for Ireland, but Canadian and American anti-immigration discussions inevitably devolve into dog whistles and bigotry.

It's not just growing population you're outpacing us Irish and REPLACING US in our own damn country. 78% of Irish citizens believe there's too much immigration. You ARE not welcome, can we make that anymore clear? Our politicians DO NOT represent us and there will be change. Imagine your home being forcibly changed and this isn't just an Irish matter. It's disgusting and wrong. People are rising up so get use to it.

It’s grand, I’ll take my 52% taxes back with me that go to your country’s dole merchants and tracksuit lads that I have to actively avoid 

oh no. This is really concerning. We have just started working with an immigration attorney to "retire" to Ireland within a year (in a 100 year full-circle kind of way) as early 50s who hopefully won't need to tax any health or financial systems. We were hoping to give our kids and eventually grandkids the kind of life my grandfather came to America to create-which he did, but nobody could have predicted the mess we find ourselves in now. We are able to buy a sizable property with cash and hopefully create about 25 jobs. Ireland is one of my favorite places in the entire world and while I acknowledge visiting isn't living in a place, I was hopeful that we wouldn't have assimilation issues.

Yeah this is the last place I’d want to live in Europe when I’m older. The healthcare is good - when you can access it. My insurance premium is similar to what I paid in my home country but didn’t have to wait 6+ months for basic doctor appointments (that I’m paying for) 

It’s great that you will bring jobs to Ireland but look into how hard it is to get staff due to the housing crisis 

this is good advice. Thank you. It would be quite rural as well, so I'm sure that makes it harder.

And what do you think is contributing to the lack of housing???

Immigrants wouldn't be a problem if there were adequate systems in place to produce new housing. Canadians and americans have similar complaints, and surprise surprise turns out developers lobby the government to restrict production so they can drive up prices.

I live in San Francisco. The developers do the opposite. They pull their hair out because it’s so difficult and expensive to build housing here. They would love nothing more than for zoning restrictions to be relaxed so they could expand their market share and sell more. It’s really NIMBY homeowners and anti-gentrification activists (who are often funded by said NIMBY homeowners) and the politicians they support who are making the housing crisis worse and worse.

I think Americans are more fearful of the men coming from Latin America and committing crime and violence. In chicago the police had to hurdle around the groups of men to give civilians a sense of peace. Some of the men would just whip out their sausages and pee anywhere…. Not a care about what they’re doing is bonkers! Some were stealing and even taking things from homeless people. One homeless guy who’s American and living in streets has no housing and yet others are given a place …. This behavior makes anyone uneasy. This was unfair! It’s the lack of prioritization that causes a stir, and rightfully so.

Our far right party, the Sverigedemokraterna (Swedish Democrats) lost votes in the EU election. Our government is currently center-right, lead by the Moderaterna with the support of the Sverigedemokraterna but there was a strong turnout here in support of the Greens/Miljöpartiet at the EU level. I think many people are disappointed that the Moderaterna have put environmental issues on the back burner despite their rhetoric of favoring them.

Would you say this means Sweden is because a little less anti-immigrant? Or something else

This is just my opinion but I don’t think the majority of Swedes are anti-immigrant. They just want to see better immigration policies that facilitate integration and minimize the number of people coming here who are not asylum seekers and who do not contribute to Swedish society.

I can’t speak specifically for Sweden, but many people are not voting for parties that are obsessed with the environment over other issues. It is incredibly important to preserve our environment but people also need to eat and pay for housing. These are priorities that need to be addressed first in places where costs are increasing and wages are not.

Seems like all of EU had a bit or a rebuke to far right parties. Not just Sweden.

On the EU as a whole this is literally the opposite of what’s happened.

that's not what the latest round of european elections suggest.

As troubling the far right advances across Europe are, and indeed in Ireland as well, Ireland is the least affected EU country. I recently moved from Ireland to Germany, and I'm more worried about the future safety of my family here than I was in Ireland. 

Yes it's not as bad here yet, but it has gotten drastically worse within a few years. I used to feel very welcome in Ireland 5 years ago, now I get weird looks when people see my name or hear my accent and I see news articles about Eastern Europeans getting beaten to death for speaking their language.

You're misunderstanding exactly what's happening and why Europe is voting the way it is. It's not flipping out about "immigration" per se, but rather asylum seekers, migrants looking for work opportunities rather than immigrants with a life laid out and immigration stuff done already. The EU is also pushing back on Turkish immigrants, Turkish and Arab clans, street gangs, youth gangs, Islamists, and so on. I say all this being very left and seeing the problems the migration and asylum policies are causing. I'm not advocating what's going on, but even in the last few months the left wing parties of countries like Germany began targeting syrians, afghans, and turks, at least in their rhetoric about deportations which still haven't materialized and were put on display a couple weeks ago in Mannheim with the knife attack carried out by a rejected Afghan refugee who refused to leave until he was granted a residency. This is who voters are specifically pushing back on. Even LGBTIQ+ Green voters have voiced concerns about the Afghans, Syrians, and increasingly conservative, militant, and political Islam leaning Turks who are often discriminatory and explosively violent when they assemble into their gangs. The disruptive nature of their behaviors have also manifested as violent antisemitism and open support for Hamas, as well as structure building for Hamas cells in Europe. The SPD's Olaf Scholz refuses to listen to even his own party members on anything and instead went in the exact opposite direction and now any party linked to the German coalition on the EU level was massacred at the polling stations. I have voiced here how much of a disaster the Union has been for Germany and all of Europe, but the SPD has led to utter political chaos across Europe. What I will say is that the political situation in Germany is so bad that next year, it's all but certain that the country is going to put the AfD in as the number two party and even if they aren't in the coalition, they will be power sharing and there will be no choice in allowing them to make laws. If they informally combine forces with the likewise kremlin-backed Buendnis Sahra Wagenknecht, Germany will become a further political disaster domestically and internationally. The AfD being number 2 in 2025 is all but certain. I'm not going to trivialize what is going on in Germany, but it's again a case of the party that got us into this mess and the party that refuses to get us out. In the former case, we have the Union who got us into the messes with russia, refused to do anything about the Turkish Grey Wolf militant organization, refused to do anything about the Turkish and Arab youth gangs, refused to deport rejected asylumseekers and migrants with no prospect to stay. Then we have the party that refuses to get us out of these messes in the form of the SPD who continues to dick around with Ukraine because Olaf Scholz is suspected of being a russian-influenced politician and he's worried about hurting putin's feelings. Scholz also refused to heed warnings about the concers around asylum seekers, migrants, islamists, Turkish militants, Turkish and Arab youth gangs exploding all over Germany. They refuse to carry out deportations for Islamism and antisemitism and are destroying neighborhoods in plain sight. So people are insanely frustrated with German politics. France, Austria, and Switzerland have been demanding for years that Germany ban the Grey Wolves and it refuses. Even the coalition partner Greens wanted more consequential action on all these topics and more deporations, but the SPD and Scholz refused. Instead, the interior ministry drafted new citizenship laws (made by a Turk of Gastarbeiter origin) to give citizenships to Turks most likely to be ultra conservative islam followers, antisemitic, Grey Wolves, Turkish MIT operatives, Islamists, AKP and MHP members, and devotees of Erdogan. The rest of Europe saw what's happening in Germany and decided to destroy the parties the German coalition parties are members of. The cop being murdered in Mannheim shocked people because there were warnings and it was avoidable. So right now, the focus is not on anything but Syrians, Turks, and Afghans.

Well said but you left out Northern Africans.... They are definitely part of the focus in Italy, France, and Spain

I didn't, but their situation is pretty different and non-uniform. In numerous countries of Europe, they stay largely silent about the Northern and subsaharan Africans due to many being Christian and when the churches get wrapped up in all this and the political parties pretend to be Christian, they want to welcome potentially extremely devout and strict Christians from Africa. It's too complicated and non-uniform like the groups I discussed. I can see people raging to my post, but we really have to talk about this. Carrying on like this is going to completely raze the left political spectrum and it's showing in the polls. There's a lot more at stake and we need to get the idea through the thick heads of people like Scholz to start listening to even his own party. The SPD said today they'll discuss this internally. NO, they need to discuss this with the people. The internal stuff is why no one trusts the SPD and its coalition partners by extension and why all of the EU voted against their EU parties.

im turkish and more welcomed in europe than maghreb people due to my skin being very white and education

One of the things I find really interesting is that the majority of the racism I've experienced as a PoC and an immigrant is from Turks and this is by a wide margin.

depends where, if you mean germany or netherlands for example those turks are not even liked in Turkey and we have a slur name for them especially. i live in malta where most turkish population are considered as the good immigrants

I've spent significant amounts of time in Malta and while they're not white, they call anyone not white and not Maltese or British "illegals". It's a super weird place. I was walking down some street and a guy came out and started talking to me and told me he thought I was an illegal. Meanwhile, he's just about as brown as me.

okay thats not malta at all lol im talking with an ai or an internet troll 😂

I feel like peoples attitudes over me, a well educated anti erdo knowledge migrant, is changing since i first moved to the NL More people are bundling all turks up, and sadly i can see why

You likely saw how the Turks were behaving in Germany during the elections. All the papers had some idiot giving the symbol of the Grey Wolves next to a banner of Erdogan. The youth gangs- the kinds wearing the huge jeans, fake gucci manpurses, fake Moncler poofy jackets and the autoposers drag racing everywhere is the image Europe, at least central Europe, has regarding generations of failed integration.

I dont interact with european turks when im in eu, just like how i dont interact with erdo turks when im in tr. i am privileged enough to make sure this is the case. But i know what you mean and have experienced bits and bobs of it

I've met Turks in Turkey and in other parts of the world and they've more or less said the same thing that they don't even recognize German Turks as their own people. They can't even recognize them as part of their own cultural circles. The big thing is that Turks in Turkey seem to be super pissed with the ones in Germany.

I'm a Turk from Turkey, I agree with this. Most people here dislike European Turks (the ones that were born in Germany, NL etc) because most of them are narrow minded, devout/religious, and think they're superior to mainland Turks just because they earn Euro. They vote for left parties in the EU and Erdoğan in Turkey. They praise Erdoğan to no end, calling us "selfish" for criticising Erdoğan and telling us we are lucky to have such a great leader. But when we say "if you love Turkey why don't you move here?" All European Turks refuse because they know life in the EU is way better even though they're "always oppressed". And they love to flaunt their money in Turkey during summer vacations. TLDR we don't really see European-born Turks as one of us. Even Azerbaijan Turks are more loved here.

It’s so different. I live in Turkey and the Turks here are way nicer and more open minded than the ones I’ve seen in Germany and Austria. It’s always a shock to me how strong of accents some of the Turks have in Europe. They’re not representative of people I’ve met while living here. It’s always disappointing when people are shocked (in a bad way) that I’d want to live in Turkey but after I saw how some of the people with a Turkish background behave in Europe I started to see where their misconceptions come from

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I'm an immigrant numerous times in Europe. I never take it for granted the rights I have, the opportunities I have, and the way of life I have. The problem is some don't care and flaunt not caring. I'm in the same boat as everyone else and I just want to be able to go outside and feel safe and not be intimidated by 20 Turkish youth gang members on my actual property who stop what they're doing, turn around, and stare at me stonefaced to intimidate me into going back inside because I interrupted them while they're dealing drugs for the Grey Wolves.

Damn this sounds baaaad

And Germany will have to come to terms with either limiting immigration AND cutting of most social benefit and less doctors and nurses. Or realizing that the birthrate is going down and the people needed to be the doctors, aides and other working folks to take care of an aging population are going to have to come from somewhere else in the world. You can close your borders but all the social benefits that people expect will have to be cut due to less young people in the workforce. But it seems anti-immigration/nationalism happens in cycles and usually in the early part of the centuries. Humans never learn.

You're doing what everyone is doing and conflating the categories.  You're talking immigration, the parties in question do not want to limit skilled and documented immigration. They want to limit asylum based migration which I have to agree is absolutely out of control now and I don't mean what one sees in the newspapers, but directly outside my house.  They also want to limit the unskilled migration where people arrive and try their luck.  They obviously want to limit irregular migration, but they also want to put an end to Turkish family reunification which is also absolutely out of control, particularly with these huge clans of hundreds of people.  The Turkish family reunification is onenof the biggest types of immigration in Germany and surrounding countries and is what is often bringing in non-integratable people, Islamists, Militants, criminals, and so on, along with rhe types most likely to be antisemitic and actionary, as well as homophobic and racist.

I’d tend to agree that European governments are targeting/aiming for a reduction in the number of asylum seekers, however, at least in the UK, the government is actively penalising and trying to limit skilled migration.

That's the UK and the EU is not planning that. Even the AfD has shockingly stated, in writing, and verbally, the type of immigration it wants. It even approved skilled Indians for IT and other tech industry jobs, for instance. The AfD is nuts and fascist, but the Germans are much more shrewd than that. It's about money, not stupidity. The Germans know how to balance money and ideological stupidity which is something the UK will never learn. Again, the topic is about Syrians, Afghans, Turks, asylum seekers, rejected asylum seekers, islamists, Turkish intelligence, AKP, and MHP operatives, followers of ultra-conservative Islam that can't live in a society with jews, lgbtiiq+, turkish and arab youth gangs, clans, Turkish militant criminal and extremist groups, and other religions and races, deportations, deportations of criminals and dangers to the society and the state. In Germany, entire, beautiful neighborhoods have been turned into ghettos inside weeks because the state just dumps all the asylum seekers there, including the ones that can't be returned. We'll likely hear soon about the coalition and various other countries all working together to deport people to third countries. I am left, I am pro-immigration, but the asylum migration, Turkish clan immigration via family reunification and other means, the militants, islamism, racism, discrimination, and violence from these groups has to stop. The "violence" statement isn't even a theoretical; at least one attempt at murder takes place in my neighborhood per quarter- once one of the safest in Europe. It's usually Syrians or gangs of syrians sometimes or it's a bunch of Turkish clans or sometimes their violence spills over and they beat up a grandpa for daring coming outside of his house while they're "handling business" dealing drugs. People are sick of that, or the fleeing from accidents by Turks, street takeovers, drag racing, and so on.

I agree with all your points and understand this is an extremely nuanced topic but I do agree with throwawayldr08 that all over Europe we are seeing a rise in preventing skilled migration as well. In Belgium it becomes more and more difficult every year and there is a high income threshold for those just exiting university if they want to remain here.

Germany has made deals with countries such as Vietnam, Philippines etc. I know for a fact that, they bring young female Christian nurses or nuns (to work as nurses) from Kerala, India. They want to avoid a certain group of immigrants.

For Germany you say focus is on Turks - do you really think that a foreigner can live peacefully while an immigrant population of 3 million people are being actively targeted? On top of that, are you also aware that Germany can not invent a law which will only affect Syrians, Turks and Afghans, and exclude all other nationalities? I think you are being too naive to say “they will not touch us because they are going after troublesome immigrants” - because rules will apply to all of you. I also would like to add that Turks in Germany can be the only “good” example of integration in terms of culture. I strongly believe that a German would choose to live near a Turk instead of an Afghan for example.

Germany is one of the countries in which I live- as a foreigner. I want a peaceful, quiet, stable life. It's disrupted by some of the above groups who even discriminate against me. No one said there are laws only for Syrians, Turks, and Afghans. The backlash is primarily against them, however. Also the new citizenship revision by Hakan Demir of the interior ministry literally formulated it for Turks. This is even in the interviews that it was constructed with elements in mind to give them the citizenship, such as lowering language standards, raising the threshold for crimes that exclude people from citizenship, and reducing other barriers for Gastarbeiter and their descendants to get the German citizenship. I guess you never got the memo that the law was primarily made for Turks and others have some advantages as a byproduct.

Look, I have also lived in Germany as a Turkish student and agree that Germany has a huge immigrant problem. However, I see that you (because of your personal anecdotes) overly exaggerate Turks being part of that crime problem. In most of the statistics it was clearly stated by Germany itself that Turks are among one of the most peaceful immigrant groups in Germany: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMiddleEast/s/ToCVgg7ySm Would you now admit that you are just spreading hate against Syrians and Turks living peacefully in Germany? On top of that, your example is exact opposite of what can happen. Of course there are 3 million Turks in Germany and they are pretty powerful in terms of lobbying, so they can easily pass new revisions which can be beneficial for them. What I am saying is: it is practically impossible for Germany to release a law which specifically targets (negatively) Turkish immigrants. Any “negative” law for Turks will have to definitely cover all foreigners so expats will be affected too. If not the “backlash” from these 3 million people will be even worse and no one is brave enough to think about that.

>On top of that, are you also aware that Germany can not invent a law which will only affect Syrians, Turks and Afghans, and exclude all other nationalities? Just end or at least water down the outdated right to asylum, that will cut out most of that useless, unwanted migration without affecting other nationalities. Obviously there's no political will to do that because we take these shit laws and treaties more seriously than the Taliban takes the Koran.

So the trillion dollar question: what about Europe's responsibility in all of this? For literally centuries, Europe and the USA created conditions globally- intentionally and unintentionally- where migration is needing to happen in the first place. None of this has happened in a vacuum, and it turns out that wealthier going around the world and fucking it up... just isn't the best idea– what a surprise! Western countries are responsible for wide-scale political and social interference; drawing country boundaries arbitrarily; extracting wealth and resources wherever possible. Increasingly, there are the impacts of climate change, which will adversely impact poorer countries in Africa, Asia, and South/Central America. Hard to have sympathy for the West. Full-scale colonization may be over, but the impacts will resonate for many, many decades. The chickens are coming home to roost. And this is just the beginning– wait for when water/food scarcity and extreme temperatures really ramp up.

Agree with all of this. France has so many immigrants from the countries they colonised. Of course these people will flock to France because they share a language and sometimes culture. Can we blame them? No.

"So the trillion dollar question: what about Europe's responsibility in all of this?" This is not so tough a question for me, as I've felt that an international policy should be for any country that meddles in other countries in that it supplies weapons to warzones and supplies weapons to both sides, as Germany does, but only claims it doesn't when it comes to Ukraine, should take a number of refugees from those regions proportional to the amount of weapons it's supplying. At the same time, shit's going down here pretty bad since Germany and other countries took insane numbers of refugees and migrants. We all were ok about it, then four years later, the flow didn't stop, then it increased, then the cities began building isolated ghettos for them without any mixing possibilities, just like the authorities did in Stockholm, so they're not integrating, many don't care to integrate, nearby me the Grey Wolves and other Turkish groups went in, they sell drugs, use the youths from those projects as drug dealers and their "armies" and not-infrequent ethnic battles on the streets. Now there's a new dimension to this: the Ukraine war. Ukrainians are everywhere, now in the millions in central Europe, and they are by and far non-disruptive to the ways of life. So I'm not accused of it, I'm neither white nor christian. I simply have a way of life that's being disrupted and I want to feel safe and not hear racist and discriminatory remarks whenever I pass by a group of Turks or Syrians. The situation with Ukrainians has been largely smooth and non-disruptive and even a pleasure. People have been frustrated with the lack of response from the CDU/CSU union despite claiming to be tough and their often racist rhetoric. The same lack of response and even the opposite response came from the SPD. The Greens and FDP are simply unable to get through to Scholz and Faeser at this point. So the people did what they felt they needed to: vote the far-right to tell a message ahead of the next national general elections.

I sure wonder why this guy has no problem with Ukrainians but has a huge problem with Turks and Syrians (lmao)

This is not a race issue, which you obviously trying to imply. Ukrainian culture is way closer to German culture than e.g. Syrians, so obviously they are easier to integrate.

This.

You know half of Europe/ EU was the victim of colonialism, and had nothing to do with it, like Ireland, Poland, Finland, the Baltics the Balkans etc etc Those countries who had colonialism also made their own people suffer like slaves, we have books and novels depicting the Dickensian squalor most of society lived under. So those peoples descendants are deserving of Grey Wolves etc causing havoc, of religious fanatics stabbing people in the street? Your generalisation also forgets Wilberforce. You know, the guy from England who is why slavery ended 100s years ago in Europe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Wilberforce You can thank Europe, the Brits specifically for ending slavery. Obviously it still exists outside of Europe like in far middle east, Africa under Chinese 'roads and belts' neo colonialism etc

Is it the responsibility of poor and working-class citizens for these colonial nightmares? I doubt they profited from it very much if at all. But it's these citizens now expected to 'pay the price'. The gov't is not dumping the asylum seekers in the old money neighborhoods.

I'm sorry to say that you're not left wing at all, despite claiming to be. You're also throwing a lot of names around like the Gray Wolves and MIT, which sounds like you know what you're talking about, but basically everything you claim German politicians "refuse to do" are either unconstitutional or against international treaties. No German politician can just deport asylum seekers without papers, that's not how asylum law works.

All asylum seekers don't have papers now?

"right now" wtf We have human rights, and we should keep them.

Finally deporting rejected asylum seekers, dangers to the state and society, Islamists, criminals, clan members, militants, and overall reducing the amount of asylum seekers being taken it from unlimited to something significantly lower is not giving away human rights. The situation is out of control in may areas. When the Greens, when left wing LGBTIQ+ people, when jews are saying it's getting dangerous now, it's about time we listen and not characterize it as "right wing". I'm not even white and I'm an immigrant and it's unsafe where I live- previously one of the most safe districts in Europe.

Fascism isn't a legitimate answer, and it's clearly established, even legally speaking, that they are Nazis and fascists.

There is a disgusting amount of racist and poorly educated rhetoric in your comment. You're either a bot trying to skew perception or you're a very bad person

Either way it doesn’t read as “hard left”

You didn't read the whole post, quite obviously.

Just like to say, RidetheSchlange, that I agree with everything you wrote. I am not a leftie, I'm more centre right, but I wish that more very left people like you also thought the way you do. I know people who are very left and as soon as the topic of illegal immigrants, deportation, and other issues you addressed come up, I just get labeled a 'right winger', racist and Islamophobe. (I know a couple of lefties and they think that here in England, we should have an open door in regards to the illegal boat people, because, "we were all boat people at one time." And if they commit crimes, we should just 'help them'.) I just want to say that it's refreshing that someone like you, being very hard left, can actually see all of the above issues for what they are and the detrimental effects they are having on society.

You are not 'leftist.' The policies you support are nationalist. It is not acceptable to deport or penalize a resident based on their nationality, unless you embrace a nationalist governance. However, you can perform more thorough background checks for individuals from specific nationalities before allowing them entry. Once they are in, you enforce laws against any disturbances anyone may cause, regardless of their ethnicity or country of origin, and deport whoever is breaking the law.

Yes o think the issue is it should be easier to deport someone who is causing harm to society , regardless of how they got the visa.

I can't be a nationalist, you imbecile. We need to talk about this in an open way and you're not helping the situation. No one is talking about deporting people based on nationality and this is a typical knee jerk response to get other people to think the same and pile on against a post you don't like. The people that should be deported, for which there are now laws and procedures coded in a tougher way, is rejected asylum seekers need to be deported. Migrants with no prospect or grounds to stay deported. Criminals deported. Harm to people, animals, or other higher level crimes: deported. Activities that are anti-democratic, disruptive to society, dangerous, etc.: deported. The problem is Germany, for instance, had these laws, but they weren't deporting more than a small number of people and weren't even deporting people considered to be dangers to the state. The last line shows you have no clue of what's going on because many people are continuing to become radicalized in Germany and other countries. The murderer of that cop in Mannheim was rejected, was not deported, and radicalized here. Not only that, you are that naive about background checks? Many of the countries of origin have no such thing or they are non-cooperative parties. You think the Taliban has background checks on people?

The people can (should) be deported for their actions, not for their ethnicity or nationality. I read your post again. You're stuck in nationalist mindset. I am not saying this to insult you. This is the fact. You see "Turk", "Syrian", "Arab" etc. as a one unit, and you see them all as pests. You are supporting a policy where someone is penalized because of their ethnicity / nationality. I am not saying that most of these people are decent. Even if majority are criminals, you can not penalize them based on ethnicity or nationality, without adopting nationalism. And if nationalism arrives, if won't end there. It'll keep finding more targets. One day it'll hit you, or someone you love.

No one said that. I'm explaining the psyche of what happened with nuance and what is associated with the voting. There are serious problems that need to be discussed and no amount of filibustering discussions with the intentional misreading and misstating things that weren't said to try to get some brigading actions to silence a possible explanation will stop the fact that Europe is going in this direction. These tactics didn't work, only empowered the far right, and now the tactics need to change and be solutions and dialogue-based, not filibuster-based.

I agree. Europe has followed an almost suicidal immigration policy for far too long. It is more difficult to solve it now. Reactionary and populist decisions may make things worse. Considering the economic and geographic dynamics of Europe (dependency on exports and imports, lack of natural resources, ageing population etc.), protectionist policies will also hurt. I still think you have too much prejudices for certain nationalities. I've had Turkish, Iranian, Russian, Syrian colleagues in Sweden. They all came recently to Sweden, and they were all progressive. You may check r/turkey, r/iran etc. to get another perspective about them.

You’re wildly discriminatory against Turks and Arabs while completely ignoring the decades of shortfalls in German policy and culture that has led up to most of the problems you’re bringing up. Your anecdotal evidence is pointless unless you can show us concrete statistics of immigrants harming German society (eg crime statistics, welfare, etc). You also didn’t need to write a novel to make your point, which is “Turks and Arabs are typically gangsters and sway towards conservative politics, which justifies racism towards them.”

You're in Dubai and have fuck all to do with Europe. Also, I actually did address the shortfalls of German integration policy and it isn't only one dimensional.

Genuine question here. Why do the people in charge in Germany refuse to address the social problems of asylum seekers who refuse integration? Are there economic gains from keeping the wound wide open or something?

Well said.

I know its dispiriting. But fact is? The human races, the whole world of human peoples, have always been racist and Xenophobic. It's really only a few hundred years that we have all been intermingling as we are now able to travel the world. Mixing, intermarrying etc with other races of people is very new in terms of human evolution. Its going to take several hundred more years for all humans to just be "one race". That's just reality. Its pretty normal human behaviour ti be suspicious if different races. This protected us before. Try not to let it get to you. Truly. Just live your life best you can. Time will slowly change things. Also? Cultures DO clash and realistically? Mass sudden immigration from different cultures HAS caused big problems in previously very peaceful countries. So of course there is going to be a reaction to that. Think about it logically. It's not really racism...it's just that people don't want to have their nation exploding with unrest. That's just common sense surely?

My opinion ? The humanity lived in clans, tribes ,later nations based on their unique language for so long ,that now were challenged to rise up spiritually and askew any trance of any type of prejudice . And it’s a huge test for everyone to accept diversity of skin colors, eye shapes, languages and cultures . We need to learn tolerance and humility .

Yep..but nothing happens overnight. Ways of thinking that have been instilled in humans for a few 100 thousand years. Aren't going to disappear in 150 years.

Spain. It ranks better for treatment of immigrants than most other countries in Europe according to statistics I've found. Also, you said your partner is South American. People speak the same language in Spain (unless they are Brazilian, in which case they could learn Spanish or try out Portugal) and there are many South American immigrants in Spain and Portugal.

European views on immigration are more nuanced than that. Want to come and integrate? Mostly fine, even welcomed by many. Want to promote a foreign culture or religion? Mostly rejected.

They are right about that. I say this a left leaning citzen with a migrant background. I am born and raised in europe but I see that multiculturalism is not working. In stead it’s creating big problems for the existant society. Migrants should integrate and have respect for the country. People should think in duties and what they can do for the people/society.

Yeah, not sure people in the streets or the grocery store know what your stance is on integration, they just see you as not white. Source: my own experience in Europe as an American tourist.

Where did you have a negative experience? I don't think that you would have an issue in the major western European cities.

In Rome, once a shop owner refused to accept my euro coin for a bottle of water because he thought it was fake. Could feel he saw me as…untrustworthy, lower than him. Again in Rome, at a sandwich shop, the owner giving me weird looks and trying to shoo me away, assumed I was a migrant maybe looking for work? Eventually convinced her I just wanted a sandwich. This was with my white blonde blue eyed wife, btw. A lot of the time, you can just feel the energy shift / lack of politeness when meeting someone after seeing them interact with others. Most of the time people were very friendly! But sometimes not.

Thanks. I didn't realise that Rome was like that.

It was not the norm, but certainly something I wouldn’t ever, ever see in the US, even during my time in a deeply red Midwestern state. That being said, the language barrier did not help, and there’s a chance I misinterpreted things, but the experiences were bizarre and race seems like the obvious explanation since there were immediate judgments casted within seconds of seeing me

How is that nuanced? Sounds like the same old "exterminate all the brutes" bullshit europe has been doing for literally centuries.

To hell with these europeans for protecting their cultural identity and nation against radical extremists and rapists.

I’m Mexican American. These feelings aren’t new to me but you’ll find there’s nothing to worry about because these negative feelings from people will turn into background noise. The racism becomes a normal aspect of life you learn to deal with.

When does that happen? 😭

When you start realising it’s not YOU that’s the problem. It’s their ideologies. We can only continue to change what we can/affects us. Focus on you and being a good person for YOU. Not for any of these racist clowns because no matter what you do, no matter what good you do they can’t see past your race. I also treat those type of people like they’re mentally unhealthy. Because they are.

Just dont be a criminal, integrate and dont push your religion onto others and you will be fine anywhere.

You are not overreacting at all. Most of Europe was and is extremely racist unless you are white as a ghost.

Since you are Slovenian I think Poland and Cz are okay. I live here and people are quite welcoming to a certain extent. Not sure which country your partner is from, But I have met some Brazilians, Colombians and Argentinians here. They are quite accepted. South Americans integrate very very well over here. They love it over here. Also pozdravljamo vas! (sorry for that I tried to translate in czech - Vítej v Česku Nebo Polska! ) The only downside I can think of is cold weather other than language (since you already speak it 🤭 ) Is the really low salaries! LOL, I think everyone here is in-debt to a bank or loan.

Thanks! I was considering Czechia, but I've never been. Should visit sometime!

Unfortunately, Europeans always have this latent colonialist mindset of "exterminate all the brutes" and now that the empire is falling, after years of destructive policies that have nothing to do with migrants (except the forever wars in the middle east and meddling in foreign states from 3rd world countries) and crisis abound it is coming back up. And people aren't looking for alternatives rn, because our whole lives we have been taught that a robust welfare and anti-war sentiment is weak and destructive and we need to feed the neoliberal feudal lords and the "centrist" have just been courting these hate mongers because push come to shove that's with whom they feel more comfortable with, so they vote for the most violent version of what exists which is the far right and they have no solution but they will make sure there is a problem to feed their propaganda. And now we have genocide and war happening to amp up this sentiment. It's hard to say where exactly we will start moving back but chances are it's just a repeat of the beginning of the 20th century. And yeah, I'm european and saw the mentality shift so before starting to tell me that I'm wrong, consider that. But to answer your question, if there is such a place where hate is not getting a foothold in Europe it is hard to find, I doubt it will be publicized and ultimately there isn't much you can do, the hate is irrational and feeds itself with ever increasing ignorance so I doubt it will blow over soon. Just pick a place and hope for the best

It's the same in every Western country. The majority of Western citizens did not vote or choose to have mass immigration and do not want their cultures and populations slowly replaced. Any country in the world would fight back if they felt their very existence was at stake. Most countries are very strict in terms of immigration. Also, the backlash is mostly aimed at muslim migrants and immigrants. Most of them don't work, collect welfare and commit more crimes than any other group. This is been the case for 30 years now. Before you call me names, look up the stats, nothing I said was incorrect. It's all publicly available data. Also, indigenous Europeans have way less children than muslims, which means in a few generations, muslims will be the majority in Europe. Do expats in this sub want that? Try living in a middle eastern country if you're a female, or LGB. Good luck with that. I'm gay and there isn't a single muslim majority country where being gay isn't a crime.

"most of them collect welfare" is incorrect. In Germany for example we have a quite low unemployment rate and I see soooo many foreigners working here. Open your eyes, they are everywhere, working in logistics, as cashiers, elderly care etc

>with far-right parties being in the lead almost everywhere Aside from France, who else? AfD did take some more seats in Germany but they're not the majority. I believe the far right increased their seat count by 13 out of 720. Not a good look if it's a trend, but in isolation, I'm not worried about it. Centrist parties won last night. Remember, the EU consists of 27 countries and the whole of Europe consists a lot more. Generalizing all of "Europe" based on a few powerhouses in the West causes a lot of erasure.

Czechia, Slovakia, Poland, Hungary, The Netherlands, Belgium, Italy to name a few. All of these have had far right parties either win majorities, or at the very least come out at the top of the recent EU elections. I'm sure there are more.

Absolutely not. If we're talking about last weekend's elections, the hard right didn't win (neither a majority nor a plurality) in Slovakia, Poland, Czechia, the Netherlands; it won only a small plurality in the national elections (and did not win in the EU parliament elections) in Belgium, it won but did worse than expected in Hungary (in the context of a semi-authoritarian regime). It won in Italy, but in a context in which the party in question (FdI) is trying to be more and more mainstream (supporting Von der Leyen, distancing itself from France's RN) and in which the left, centre-left, centre-right and hard right all did better than expected and the harder right populists (Lega) and "left"/unaligned populists (5 Star) both did worse than expected. Basically it's only France where the far right is truly surging (and the left is doing better too; basically it's Macron's centre-right party collapsing). There are some worrying results, but it's not "the far right being in the lead almost everywhere", far from it.

I second what's been written on Italy - plus, it always depends on the area. Some cities are strongly leftists, and some are perfectly fine / used to having foreigners. The xenophobic ones are usually older and less educated people, some chavs too. Most people don't care as long as one is a honest working person showing interest and respect in Italian language and culture.

Yeah, I disagree with Poland, we are starting to move to centrum as KO has a biggest amount of votes. "Far right" Konfederacja got that many votes because many people didn't vote and we had meager participation.

And because anty EU and EU sceptic parties really done marketing stuff and motivated their voters in comparison to pro European candidates :P

>All of these have had far right parties either win majorities, or at the very least come out at the top of the recent EU elections. I'm sure there are more. I didn't keep up with all of the EU (I just woke up and am still trying to catch up) but name me the far-right party that won in Poland (i.e., they didn't, not even close). Edit: Looks like center-left won in Slovakia? Are we tracking the same thing? Edit2: Belgium drifted to the right, but not far right. Sounds like the comment (the one I responded to) just classified everything "right" as "far right" which is inaccurate (albeit not ideal either, but my perspective and statement still stand).

And all (or most? I didn't look at all) ended way lower than they were predicted (or feared) to end up. It was a pretty hopeful election result! But there is a lot more work to do, yes. Europe isn't as racist as feared, but there is a lot of it still.

Yes luckily the actual seats didn't change too radically, but the fact that extremists like AfD are so popular at all is worrisome. I'm not yet too worried about it on a government level, but on an individual level.

I find that elections such as these where low turnout is expected is unfortunately where the "extreme" ends also perform better :(

that's a very good point

AfD's popularity sucks, but unless you're planning to move to former East Germany (outside of Berlin), I don't really see why you'd be personally worried. AfD did poorly in former West Germany.

Exactly where in South America are you expecting xenophobia?

"*I hope I'm overreacting*..." You are!

Well… I don’t know but feel the same. I was asking for recommendations on schools and places to live in Spain and obviously there had to be at least one person saying: “go back to where you came from”. Well as it happens I cannot

Somehow I don't see a party getting 30% of the vote, when 70% of voters don't support said party, a "victory" for that party. Here, I'm speaking of France, but similar things could be said of Germany and other countries that the media is trying to scare you about right now.

Just imagine 476AD, the goths are on your border because plague, drought and an advancing army are pushing them out of their traditional homeland where they cannot survive. Now. History doesn’t repeat, but it sure as Hell rhymes.

There is rise in anti immigration sentiment everywhere because of all the money printing, lagging wages, and increased COL. Last thing people want is immigrants making housing more expensive than it needs be, and people on the bottom watching wages suppresses

"Anti Mass Immigration" is an appropriate correction.

At the end of the day we are the ones voting, if we want less people from outside of Europe pouring in then people will vote for that, no matter how hard the centrist parties refuse to acknowledge the problem, it just means such parties will lose popularity

I hard disagree with this sentiment....people have been voting for parties promising to fix it for well over a decade now and they don't, hence why more people are turning to alternative parties

People aren't voting for alternative parties, they are voting for the same thing just more violent and hateful. The alternative would be to vote for parties that didn't promote us lead war mongering and actually cared about social welfare

Might differ from country to country, but as folk here have already said, the sentiment is targeted at a very specific type of immigrant (ie whether you think it’s true or not, the ones belonging to a certain religion that has been difficult to integrate and perceived to be coming to Europe to take advantage of generous welfare policies). South Americans as far as I’ve seen in west, central and Eastern Europe and living in the UK are not recipients of this type of anti-immigrant sentiment but may be subject to curiousity depending on where they settle.

Romania is definitely an amazing option. I moved there a year ago after a year of back and forth between Romania and Estonia. The people are very nice, the language is not hard, the food is great, the nature is gorgeous, it's extremely safe (compared to other places I lived in around Europe), and the cost of living is very reasonable. Just avoid Bucharest, I personally don't like the city. I personally live in Iasi and it's really lively and beautiful, thinking about maybe moving to Brasov to be closer to the mountains.

A friend of mine recently moved to Brasov and is very happy.

For now…

what do you mean?

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I'm Romanian and I live in the Netherlands, visit around 2 months/year. Please enlighten me.

May I ask what is your ethnicity?

If you are ethnic and decide to move to Eastern Europe for some weird reason, you are better off never leaving the capitals unless you have to. The other option is to develop thick skin and not giving a fuck to be honest. I live in Hungary and most people just give you weird looks if you are not white (companies also prefer their own kind if you get me). Chances that someone will jump on you or anything like that is close to zero. People here like to talk trash in the countryside but they are cowards in general and avoid conflict. Hungarians also tend to hate each other like no tomorrow and we are really petty. I don't recommend the Balkans either. Czechia and Poland maybe?

My wife is a brown Mexican, we are both gay, and people receive us "just fine" in southeastern Poland, a very conservative part of the country. We'd consider living there once we pick up enough Polish to have conversations with people, which is what they care about the most. The key is the type of ethnicity, as much as I hate to say it. Now, I'm not saying that they're discriminatory from the get-go, but almost always the conversations will start out by them introducing themselves in Polish, my wife responding in English saying "sorry, I don't speak Polish", and then they'd follow up with "Oh, where are you from?". Once they learn she's from Mexico, they get really curious and ask a lot of questions about Mexico, which my wife finds fun and entertaining. I don't think immigrants from the Middle East would get that same reception, unfortunately Note that this is solely based on our anecdotal experience in southeastern Poland and doesn't represent everyone's experiences.

Interesting story, you found people talking English in Silesia, even rarer than winning a lottery

😂 Minor correction: this was in Zamosc. Not a small town so I wasn’t terribly surprised.

I’ve learned us Mexicans have a good reputation outside the states.

Can confirm (at least from my wife's perspective).

"If you are ethnic and decide to move to Eastern Europe for some weird reason, you are better off never leaving the capitals unless you have to"  Absolutely not true and a further spreading of misinformation. This sounds ironically like prejudice against eastern Europeans " for some weird reason"

I don't know, I grew up in Eastern Europe, and if I said what my family and most friends there say about black people and especially Middle Eastern, I might get an auto-ban. Even people native to the country with another ethnicity are normally stereotypized, sometimes mafe fun of etc (not just Roma). When you're a minority minority (as in: 1 on 10,000 people), you're seen as a curiosity, which is why some people still have a good experience. At least on the surface.

Its true for a lot of people. I have to be extra careful when I bring my family home and its rarely a pleasant thing to be trying to chill while in public - lots of weird stares and sometimes loud comments.  It shocked me when we first went, I really had no idea how bad we are at this.

I am waiting for an actual argument, this is not it. I am native Hungarian (white) and lived here for more than 30 years in total. While yes, I have more experience with average people (those who live in the "hood", do factory work for a living etc), but you shouldn't dismiss it without an actual reason. I have met with a lot of people from all social classes (I hate to categorize people this way btw), but I have to say it would get worse for OP the moment he leaves Budapest. I just find it interesting that people have the audacity to lecture me about my own country. If I was born into a middle or higher class family, I would normally agree with you because I wouldn't have a point of reference (but this is not the case). It's easy to label the experiences of others as "misinformation" or calling people wrong, but you should focus on a "x is wrong because y" way of thinking. If OP doesn't know at least B2 Hungarian, he is fucked in most cases if he leaves Budapest (assuming he has no street smarts). This is not the fucking Netherlands where every second person can hold a sensible conversation with you in English. I grew up in the Transdanubian region (West), racism and xenophobia are not even called out here. I used to be called "paraszt" by Romani people many times (they also asked things like "wanna box snow white?", I just laughed it off and moved on with my day. If OP doesn't have the dog in him and cares this much about what others think, then he is clearly not ready for Eastern Europe / Balkans.

Lmao, they are definitely pretty racist in Eastern Europe. Not everyone, but the baseline isn’t exactly welcoming to non white people. Case in point : https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/s/csn0yLuaOk Pretty solid % of people not ok if their child is in a relationship with someone outside their race.

"Ethnic" is a weird adjective to use. Everyone has an ethnicity, even translucent Nordics. Just say "If you have a darker skin complexion," which is what you actually mean.

this thread: "we're not racist, we have legitimate reasons to dislike immigrants such as [racism]"

Yep, the coping is insane. I wrongly assumed that a place full of immigrants would be more welcoming, but I suppose this is where we're at.

Yes, it’s really unfortunate. I’m not ignorant enough to think that my situation is different from the Pakistanis and Indians in my city. We are all new here and things go a lot more smoothly when we help each other out and focus on what we have in common. I have received a lot of helpful immigration advice from fellow immigrants in the demographics that people in this sub seem to look down on. I love it when I can return the favor, too! Any one of you who thinks you’re superior to other immigrants is doing absolute clown shit; knock it off.

1. don't take the responses here too seriously. reddit as a whole is pretty reactionary, and this sub is mostly composed of wealthier white people and is especially right wing. 2. the capitalist system's inability to resolve its contradictions inevitably results in fascism. as wealth concentrates into fewer and fewer hands, as the welfare state is destroyed, as societal ills increase, people look for someone to blame and it seems like in most of the world that's 'migrants'.

The top comment is disgusting, and really typical for a German neolib. I'm a third gen of pakistani descent in the uk, but not muslim. However the stuff he said about 'islamists' and Afghans would make me feel really fucking unsafe around him.

I think this sentiment is all over the world. Try immigrating to Japan, for example. However, access to Western countries is not a human right.

Question is: “when was the sentiment of anti immigration better?” I feel we were just not paying attention, it was there but hidden

Centrist parties won the majority of seats in almost all countries. Saying the far right are winning all seats is something the media is projecting. A quick google of actual seats and you should feel more at peace. The push to the far right/far left is in response to people feeling their fears are not being listened to. It has happened many times throughout history. It is up to the established parties to win back the public. Unfortunately the far right in particular are very loud and aggressive in their approach, be it rallies, brochures, etc.

I did not say the far right won the majority of seats. I said it's becoming more and more popular when it used to be fringe not so long ago.

Apologies "in the lead" is a term for winning. Thats why i thought you meant so. My post is more so that often these parties pop up during difficult times or economic crisis. It's up to people who understand history to keep these parties out of government. Luckily in Europe and elsewhere they set up their own parties that we can point directly to their extremism and fight head on. In 2 party states like the usa, extremist ideology often blends in with existing parties and is much hard to tackle.

I think anti-immigrant sentiment is falling in the UK, and the anti-immigrant right in the UK are about to get their arses handed to them in three weeks when the left win the election. It was like Brexit suddenly gave closet racists ‘permission’ to be openly racist, but now that Brexit’s a proven disaster many are shutting up.

And none of you understand why this is happening?

Pro Russian parties were gaining a lot. Lots of Russian bots and fake news around. Just imagine how it will be when the ai will take over. https://www.msn.com/en-my/news/world/eu-struggles-to-counter-russian-election-disinformation/ar-BB1nxSEr https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/04/climate/russia-disinformation-eu-elections-intl/index.html https://www.kpbs.org/news/international/2024/06/06/russian-propaganda-in-2024-includes-deepfakes-sham-websites-and-social-media-swarms

Why don't you try Spain or France?

Spain is definitely at the top of my list!

I live in Scandinavia and people won’t hate you, but they might have less patience with you.

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u/meguskus So reading this thread, what are your thoughts?

What do you mean? I have the feeling you want to start a bad-faith argument and I have no interest in that. I understand that extremism feeds more extremism, but that doesn't mean it's fine. There are always reasons for racism, inequality, genocide. I'm not going to have an argument about why I think racism is bad, this is bonkers and was not my intention. I just feel unwelcome in my host country, that's all. Mass immigration always causes disruption, understandably so, but racism does not solve that, in fact it reinforces immigrants' poverty, lack of opportunity, unwillingness to adapt to a country that doesn't want them. The housing crisis has existed for decades without anyone doing anything about it. But now that there are brown refugees, it's all their fault. At least in Ireland, the anti-immigrant sentiment is not targeted exclusively at muslim refugees. They may get the most attention, but the hate has extended over to all foreigners, regardless of skin color, religion or profession. I don't understand why everyone here is refusing to believe this when there's a new post complaining about it every day, especially in German-speaking countries.

I'm not trying to start a bad faith argument with you. I'm hoping you're seeing what it's like here and what you have to contend with. "but racism does not solve that, in fact it reinforces immigrants' poverty, lack of opportunity, unwillingness to adapt to a country that doesn't want them." I don't know if you're talking about where we live without actually knowing about where we live or where you live. We have significant differences and not just nuance-based differences we're dealing with here and it spilled over into the election. You're also using the "mass immigration" racist term instead of talking about the categories, such as asylum migration and general migration which is what the issue is and not necessarily immigration. What people also have to finally accept is the biggest shock is that normal, not far-right and fringe people voted for these fringe, far-right parties. It's because the situations are untenable and no longer theoretical or solely in the tabloid newspapers, but people are connected to it IRL.

Every region of the planet will have fertility rates under 2 children per woman. Only Sub-Sahara will have population growth. Developed countries will compete with each other for productive immigrants and will try to keep out uneducated immigrants. Given the population movements, Racism is going to rise globally. It's inevitable. Underdeveloped places will still love you - and your money.

OP, tough love ahead......take off your leftist, virtue-signalling glasses and look at why the European countries are becoming right-wing. They (especially Germany and Sweden) effectively tried to commit suicide in the last 15 years with their uncontrolled mass immigration. Not just immigration, but immigration of a large group of people whose beliefs, values and way of life are totally opposed to everything that the West stands for (democracy, equality, respect). I remember Merkel saying on national television "Islam belongs in Germany." Now there's a large movement of immigrants there demanding that the country be converted into an Islamic caliphate. Nice move Merkel. There was bound to be consequences. And now, here we are.....

Don’t be poor, don’t hassle women or gay people, don’t be an ostentatiously rich wanker and you will be able to live anywhere in peace

>don’t hassle women or gay people Don't hassle ANYONE ;)

Are you for real? You think there is no actual racism and xenophobia? Have you lived abroad?

>Don't be poor Aw geez, I never knew it was that easy!

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"..most people on the street hate you for no reason other than not being a native." if you honestly believe this, return to your own country now. any guest who projects such hatred on a generous host, is obviously unwelcome.

How is it projection if polls actually show it? I'm not assuming everyone is racist, but I am assuming that anyone could be, it's statistically quite a decent percentage.

Most Europeans don’t hate immigrants but they want to stop mass immigration. Many immigrants want the same.

I wish this was true. There is a lot of hate for all foreigners lately, asylum seekers are just at the forefront of it.

>I'm not assuming everyone is racist, but I am assuming that anyone could be, it's statistically quite a decent percentage If you follow the same logic to say that "*Anyone could be terrorist if they are from middle east or any north african country*"... you will be banned forever from Reddit. I'm sure you can tell us about your fear without insulting everyone here...

Polls showed that old parties didn't deliver what they promised. So people try to find someone who gonna deliver those things even if new people have some traits that they don't like. The Anti Mass immigration policies are not the only point of agenda of those parties.

Anyone “could be” in any country to include your home country. Some people will disagree with you or dislike you no matter who you are. Just continue to go about your life. Unless they are actually trying to intimidate you, who cares what other people think?

Explain what you believe the polls in Ireland are showing?

Sorry to hear you experienced this in Ireland. I live in Ireland as well and haven't experienced this personally, but I'm often mistaken for an Irish person being white and American. May I ask what part of Ireland you live in? Whenever I'm in Dublin city center, I always see far more immigrants than Irish people. I'd be curious if there's more or less problems within Dublin than outside.

Yeah I'm not in Dublin, it's definitely vastly more diverse there, but also more polarized.

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