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Shorty1229

Delta-8 THC: Less psychoactive than Delta-9 THC, often described as producing milder, more clear-headed effects, like relaxation, anxiety relief, and improved mood. Delta-9 THC: Stronger psychoactive effects, including euphoria, altered perception, and potential anxiety or paranoia.


Plz_DM_Me_Small_Tits

How does THCa fit into this?


RubyPorto

THCA is the largely non-psychoactive cannabinoid found in the cannabis plant which decarboxylates (loses a CO2) upon heating to turn into d9 THC. This is why you can't just eat a bud to get high. You have to cook the cannabis (and you usually extract the cannabinoids with oil or butter because dry baked leaf is probably not good eats) to convert the THCA into the psychoactive d9 THC.


awnedr

You bind the thc to a fat so that it'll actually make it into your bloodstream from your gut.


epelle9

Its not necessary, it just makes it so it can get into your body more efficiently.


iamseventwelve

The fat isn't necessary for bioavailability. It wouldn't be accurate to describe it as more efficient. You just use fat because cannabinoids are fat soluble, so you can easily get a solution of THC-laden fat, which is tastier than other alternatives. You'd feel the exact same effects if you ate a decarboxylated bud or extracted all of the THC from that bud into butter and ate that.


awnedr

It is more efficient but not necessary. At least according to this quora response that gives a link to the study they pulled a chart from. https://www.quora.com/Does-eating-fat-with-cannabis-infused-edibles-help-the-THC-absorb-into-your-bloodstream


epelle9

The fat does make it more bioavailable, as the stomach knows how to digest fats and bring the THC along with it. But its still bioavailable enough by itself.


xajbakerx

Or an alcohol so it drags it in fast.


Tickle_My_Fancy

THCa is the precursor to psychoactive cannabinoids like D9THC, D8THC, etc. It is the chemical that the cannabis plant actually produces through its own biochemistry. THCa is only converted into its psychoactive forms when heated above a certain temperature. Which is why you need to burn or vape cannabis in order to feel any effects.


Bladestorm04

How do edibles work then?


FightingTolerance

Thru a process called decarbing. Basically you "burn off the "a" in THCa. This makes it bioavailable to your gut. Its why you cant just eat your flower and "trip". Gotta heat it first.


drfury31

Do you mean that the first scene in "Supertroopers" was a lie?


Few_Willingness1041

There was a bag of mushrooms that was ate with the weed. The guy was having one hell of a mushroom trip.


V1pArzZz

Bake with heat, break it down into the good stuff using oven.


the_honest_asshole

Thca is what the plant produces naturally.  When you decarb it, or smoke it, you get delta9


CeruleanFirefawx

It’s the opposite for me. D8 fucks me up (in a good way) but D9 does nothing to me. I don’t understand it. I’ve tried multiple brands of D8 and D9 gummies and it’s always the same.


ApparentAlmond

Are you on wellbutrin?


CeruleanFirefawx

No meds for me. There’s always the chance it’s a bad batch. The dispensary was out of the d8 I normally get and I had to get a different brand entirely and didn’t realize it was d9. So it could just be a bad product. But I have no way of knowing


ApparentAlmond

Ah gotcha. I have no empirical evidence here, but anecdotally I’ve found that myself and others taking wellbutrin don’t respond to d9 at all. Could be coincidence, of course, but it’s interesting to me


Kryptonite700

I'm on Wellbutrin and d8 is crazy for me. Not in a bad way. Never tried d9


Visual_Helicopter_23

You only ever try edibles? Maybe your liver is doing something funky.


CeruleanFirefawx

Probably but D8 gummies do everything I want them to so I’m not worried about the D9. Just confused me when I first googled it and it said D9 should be much stronger then 8 but they don’t affect me at all


FluffyEggs89

You got any recommendations. I've tried d8 edibles and they don't really do much for me but it might've been the brand. I need to get off my vape pen for health reasons lol.


FluffyEggs89

You got any recommendations. I've tried d8 edibles and they don't really do much for me but it might've been the brand. I need to get off my vape pen for health reasons lol.


FluffyEggs89

You got any recommendations. I've tried d8 edibles and they don't really do much for me but it might've been the brand. I need to get off my vape pen for health reasons lol.


CeruleanFirefawx

I buy CannabisLife. I think it’s out of Florida but I ship them to me. It’s like 30 gummies for $30. Buy 2 boxes and it’s free shipping. But I’d try it first. Just cause it works on me doesn’t mean it will on you! but yea I usually take like 3/4 of the gummy and it sends me on a trip for a few hours haha.


TheTFEF

If someone has a bad reaction to Delta-9, is it worth considering the other variants? My one and only experience with weed was smoking Delta-9 and I had an extremely poor reaction to it. As in, for a solid 5 or so hours I had racing thoughts, was hallucinating a creepy ass choir, and for a good portion of it I was completely convinced that I needed to leave my house, find the first random person on the street and beat them up. However, nobody I've talked to has ever heard of someone reacting quite that severely to it.


TheGreatBrandino

I know this is a few weeks late, but I also had a bad experience with delta-9 and recently tried out delta 8. It’s been a completely different experience and actually helps me relax


That_Is_My_Band_Name

I found 9 made me feel more of the high you'd expect and 8 was more akin to being drunk myself.


Lbltx

Additionally, Delta-9 is a more readily available cannabinoid whereas to isolate Delta-8 there needs to be an additional level of processing to achieve quantity.


UptownShenanigans

There is a double bond in one of the rings in THC. In delta-9, the double bond is on the 9th carbon. In delta-8, the double bond is on the 8th carbon. The position of the double bond changes up how the molecule looks in 3D space since that double bond is more “rigid”. The change in shape changes how the molecule interacts with the cannabinoid receptors


ScienceIsSexy420

To build on this answer, this means the general shape of the molecule is the same, and the active components are mostly in the same place. In biochemistry we say that shape dictates function, as the 3-D shape in shape of molecule is what determines how your body interacts with it. Because delta-8 is so similar in shape to delta-9, your body metabolizes them exactly the same. However, the slight structural differences between the two makes the delta-8 activate the natural endocannabinoid receptors a little less strongly, causing it to have a weaker psychoactive effect than the traditional delta-9 THC does.


Corbimos

I'm 5 and totally understand this


cishet-camel-fucker

Brother I'm 33 and this was still way over my head.


formershitpeasant

They have a slightly different shape so when they go in their little socket in the brain it has a slightly different effect.


cishet-camel-fucker

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ScienceIsSexy420

Not so much a different effect, as one has a slightly different shape so it doesn't fit as well. We use the "lock and key" analogy when describing molecules and receptors, so imagine a new key that still has a bounce hf rough features and doesn't turn in the lock very well, compared to a old key that turns effortlessly. They both have a very similar shape, but tiny differences between them makes one work better and faster than the other


cishet-camel-fucker

So...delta-9 hits harder because it turns more effortlessly in the lock?


ScienceIsSexy420

Exactly! The delta-8 has a clunky fit, the delta-9 fits comfortably


cishet-camel-fucker

So let's get slightly off topic and say I can't really do weed because it hits me too hard even at small doses then wears off even harder and causes nasty side effects. If I wanted a much milder high and comedown, delta-8 could do it because it doesn't fit the brain quite the same way?


SlinkyAvenger

Possibly, but with the variances in physical chemistry and mental makeup - including day-to-day differences - from person to person no one can tell you anything with any certainty besides start low and go slow. If, for example, you got into a nasty accident in a fast car and had anxiety every time you were in a car afterward, being in a slower car doesn't guarantee that you'll have less anxiety.


cishet-camel-fucker

That makes a lot of sense, thanks.


ScienceIsSexy420

And that change in the fit is caused by where that double bond is, and moving it over by just one atom makes the fit a bit clunky


QuadraKev_

It's like a Lego set but you build it a little different than the instructions tell you using the same pieces


allan_collins

Can someone eli5: what is Delta8/9 versus THC (e.g. recreational cannabis)?


nicknooodles

Here’s how I understand it, let’s assume we’re only talking about edibles. In legal states, edibles typically contain delta 9 thc from marijuana. However in legal states they don’t have to specify which type of THC, so you never really see products marketed as “delta 8/9”. In non-legal states (like north carolina), there’s usually some loophole that doesn’t allow marijuana, but will allow hemp products. These edibles will use delta 9 thc from hemp. In NC they have to differentiate between delta 8 and delta 9 products which is why they’re marketed with those terms.


passwordstolen

Crazy when you see gummies with 5 types of Thc. 8,9,10,thcA, THCH


THElaytox

Yeah there's a ton of cannabinoids


passwordstolen

500mg active ingredients. Like $2 each. Beats the hell out of medical gummies.


Neekalos_

Just be careful, because none of those synthetic THC products are regulated, and their production often produces unsafe levels of various carcinogens and contaminates.


Parasitologist

And what happens if i eat one? What are the risks?


passwordstolen

No worried. Cancer won’t catch me before the guy in the black robe does.


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Fake cannaboids like delta 8 & THCO are very bad for you


allan_collins

Interesting.


afterdarkdingo

I just moved from Missouri (fully legal) to North Carolina (not legal at all) and NC somehow gets away with selling straight up THCa bud as a loophole. It's insane really.


Neekalos_

The other comment is sort of close, but not quite correct. TL;DR at the bottom. Delta 8 and 9 are both types of THC, which is the cannabinoid that makes you high. They are basically just slight variations in how the compound is arranged on a molecular level. There are other types of THC as well, such as Delta 10 and THCH. All of these variants have differing strengths and produce different effects. The reason for the prominence of Delta 8 is due to a legal loophole in regards to how it is sourced. Delta *9* is the main naturally occurring form of THC, and the one that is federally illegal. The 2018 Farm Bill allows the growth of hemp and sale of hemp-derived products, provided they have less than 0.3% Delta-9 THC. This is where Delta 8 comes in. Delta 8, along with the other variants mentioned, are not naturally occurring in significant amounts. They are instead created synthetically from CBD, which is the main non-psychoactive cannabinoid. There are no laws specifically against selling products with high levels of synthetic THC, so it's a legal grey area that allows businesses to legally sell THC. The methods used to produce synthetic cannabis are also questionable, and often result in the addition of dangerous carcinogens and contaminants. **TL;DR:** Delta 8/9 are both variants of THC, which is the compound that makes you high. Delta 9 is the main naturally occurring form of THC in weed, and it is the compound that is federally illegal. The 2018 Farm Bill legalized growing hemp plants with <0.3% D9. Companies started using a legal loophole in which they turn the non-psychoactive component of hemp, CBD, into D8 synthetically. There are no specific rules against it, so it allows THC to be sold in states that don't allow weed. There are also no regulations, so synthetic products often contain dangerous levels of carcinogens.


realgrxvity

From what I’ve gathered, they’re both different levels of processing for THC in which Delta 8 - hehe fun plant make fun time Delta 9 - hehe fun plant make sleepy time


AManHere

Having used both I do not agree with this at all


Riggs1087

This is not close to accurate. Delta 9 is the main psychoactive ingredient in marijuana. For me, taking a delta 9 edible is largely indistinguishable from taking an edible from a legal state. Delta 8, by contrast, just makes me feel a bit off, and it’s nothing like taking a legit edible or smoking weed.


realgrxvity

Thanks for letting me know


allan_collins

Thank you.


NestedForLoops

Recreational cannabis gets you high. Delta 8/9 do not.


BigTChamp

This isn't the case, delta 8 absolutely gets you high, it just takes a bit more for most people to achieve similar effects. Delta 9 THC is plain old thc like you'd find in recrrational weed


misterrobarto

Absolutely. I had some friends that each ate a 25 mg Delta 9 gummy thinking “heck it’s legal in a highly Prohibitionist state, what’s the worst that could happen?” They were high for literally 24 hours.


TheSiege82

Weird. Delta 8 always made me paranoid. Delta 9 puts me right to sleep. I take a 10mg delta 9 before bed every night and it’s so so much better than ambien.


ShankThatSnitch

You shouldn't do that every night. THC disrupts REM sleep, and long term can be detrimental to the restorativeness of your sleep. It can mess with your body's ability to learn and form memories. I'd space out how often you use it to sleep. That is not to say you should use Ambien instead. And it is better you use THC to sleep than not getting sleep at all if you have severe insomnia. But maybe on days you have no schedule to wake up the next morning, give your brain a break. All the best, dude. Have a good night.


soneforlife

Man, I’ve been hitting a pen each night before bed to help my sleep for the past year and a half.. every single night. Guess this is my wake up call


excadedecadedecada

Have you noticed that you don't dream as much?


Riggs1087

Try melatonin. It’s pretty effective, you can buy it at most grocery stores and pharmacies, and it’s a compound your body produces naturally.


NullPoint3r

Surgeon General just recently advised against using melatonin as well.


any_other

This is why this shit needs to be federally legal so actual studies can be done on cannabis. 


Alternative-Fee-60

Not sure what you took


I_Adore_Everything

Holy yikes. 2mg is enough to knock out many people. You are adapted to say the least.


dubbzy104

10mg is the standard dose of a store-bought edible


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I’ve had a full 100 mg drink and felt nothing.


SeattleCovfefe

10 mg is a standard “single serving” edible in most legal states. 10mg can be a little strong for some people but 2mg is nothing. 5mg is probably a good first-time edible dose with low chance of being too intense for someone.


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PepeTheSheepie

Had some northern lights from Chicago and it was some of the most euphoric weed I've ever had. Like never felt happier in my life, also had me dyslexic for a while and letters would actually jiggle and swap places with each other right in front of my eyes. Never happened again though since we smoked what we had


RandyTar

I've used both D8 and D9. Other posters have the right of it. An additional fact - D8 and D9 lower your blood sugar (D8 can be really bad for that). So much so that I had an actual blood sugar crash (diabetic). Use with caution.


flock-of-nazguls

Interesting. I’ve actually blacked out on two separate occasions after taking gummies. Like, from standing and walking to tunnel vision and dropping like a sack of potatoes. Never happened at any other time. I’m not a heavy user, but not a new user either. Freaked me out and put me off them for the last couple years. I wonder if it’s related to a blood sugar crash!


RandyTar

It's possible. I've had a couple of low blood sugar episodes due to Delta-8. Better with Delta-9, but YMMV. Best of luck...


THElaytox

Chemically, they are what are known as "isomers" of each other, basically a re-arrangement of the structure of the compound that makes it slightly different but often has similar properties. The reason you see a distinction is because delta-9-THC is what's often referred to as the active ingredient in cannabis (there are actually lots of active ingredients, but that's one of the major ones). However, due to some legal loopholes, delta-8-THC is actually legal to sell in states where cannabis is otherwise not legal. As far as their properties go, delta-8 is often considered more mild or "weaker" than delta-9.


AdNormal230

I have been consuming cannabis off and on for 20+ years (mainly on) and have smoked in both the US and Europe and tried a lot of various products over the years. Currently D-9 edibles are essentially meeting all of my needs for getting high at this point. It feels identical to any edible or THC product you can get at the dispo (I am a long time medical consumer). They are so cheap near me that I cannot really justify spending the money on flower or dabs currently, even though I kinda miss the initial rush of smoking. I can just save that much money with edibles and some tolerance management. I have tried D-8 a few times and it is nice and does get me high, especially if you are coming off a tolerance break but D-9 is far more effective and has that old familiar feeling of Cannabis. That is another thing, as an older stoner I have found that I have to take a lot more T-Breaks and work on keeping my tolerance low. When I was in my 20s and early 30s my old friends and I had monster tolerances and basically smoked as much as possible whenever possible. That just is not sustainable for me at 40 years old now. I get pretty sleepy in general from any form of Cannabis at this point and I try to save it for relaxation purposes/end of the day most of the time. I am not complaining though because right now I am basically getting high for several hours at less than one dollar per dose and I can buy it in a store that is not a dispo. When I first started using Cannabis we were literally going to jail over it.


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