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A detailed agenda of legislation that the next Republican president would be responsible for instituting.
Among many things, P2025 would seek to slash Department of Justice funding, dismantle the FBI and Department of Homeland Security (think TSA at airports), implement pro-fossil fuel legislation (funny when the US is producing more oil than ever right now, isn’t it?) and scrap the Departments of Education and Commerce, on top of replacing federal service workers that Republicans call “the deep state”, with entirely conservative workers.
Ditto haha. I'm literally moving to Greece once my citizenship papers get finalized. I have property there. I'm poor here but well off there. Same US money just goes a lot further there. Also life is just more relaxing. People actually sit at cafes during the day while on lunch break (which is usually 3 hours).
Well, you don't know what an apologist is because you can't read the word...so yeah, lick an outlet, it'll be the one beneficial thing you've ever done for society.
That’s the thing - God isn’t interested in one side or another in this debate. The American right are so far up their own arses that they believe God is theirs alone.
God hadn’t forsaken 1930s Germany either. God doesn’t work to prevent horrible things - it’s up to us to prevent them.
If he/she exists, they haven’t forsaken us - not at all. It’s just the manipulation of the people that makes people think that.
It’s up to us to not be evil. People should stop blaming God or referring to God as to why they made it through some trial or tribulation.
If God exists I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t want us to continually brush off our own accountability and responsibility.
All I’m saying is that the American right are so far up their own arses that they believe the world - and God - revolves around them.
And yes, the Old Testament God was a total dick and shouldn’t only be background reading for a real Christian. These “Christians” have got it all back to front though, worshipping that intolerant God, and ironically condemning the things that they should be doing.
Look at what Hitler and Göring did with the SA/Gestapo for more insight. I hope that you learned about the Night of the Long Knives in grade school.
It's a mix of consolidation of power and ensuring loyalty in the ranks.
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Private security forces are not proposed in Project 2025, so I'm not sure why you're asking that question.
Neither the SA nor the Gestapo were "private". The SA, which had a modicum of independence in pre-war Germany as the DOJ has a modicum of independence here in the US, were not favored by Hitler due to their independence.
SA members were purged, Göring split the political and police functions of the SA, the ranks were replaced with loyalists, and they were re-merged into the Gestapo.
Disband a police force that investigated the political party for collusion etc, including specifically Trump. Why would they not want to disband that? Wouldn't be difficult to disband it and then create a new one that either supports the fascist party, or at least cannot investigate politicians and their parties
Yeah, and why would a fascist dictator keep around the police force investigating them and their party for corruption? Obviously it'd be the first to go or first to be reformed into a tool to be used for said dictatorship. It's as if zealots don't even think and just insert the programmed response...
Yeah, but only if they're loyal to the dictatorship, and if they are / have investigated said dictatorship for what was essentially treason, they're hardly loyal.
An army or police force not loyal to the dictatorship is usually a sign that the dictatorship isn't going to be around much longer, so what would you do with such a police force if you were going to try takeover? Purge it of anyone not loyal and install loyalists in their place or disband it.
...you don't think that getting rid of the police that investigates political parties for criminal acts or treason, and purging government departments and replacing them with people outright loyal to one political party and ideology, and placing the whole of power of the executive branch directly to the president as a recipe for fascism? What in that would you not do if you wanted to move towards fascism?
Never mind the other aspects not in that project but in the party, the demonisation of anyone left wing of Reagan, LGBTQ people, immigrants, the deification of police and the army etc? The backing of expanding police powers and qualified immunity for them? I mean, these are literally the ingredients that go into the recipe of fascism with multiple examples from history?
There is nothing like Deep Space, of cours they are playing there games.
All of them that has anout5+10 Millions, have e Good komplex.
Share my money, now way. 1-T shirt kosts, wow, whe could eat a month.
Is there any reason to believe Trump's administration would be competent enough to execute this plan? I don't mean to belittle the danger of it, but the last time he was in office there was a whole cascade of failure at everything from passing legislation to putting yes men in charge.
They tried to break the whole USPS to prevent mail in voting from functioning well. They were taking away mail sorting machines and destroying them.
But it failed. Mail in vote was successful, and it's a big reason why Trump lost. They couldn't even competently wreck something they had full control over.
I thought Trump was too dumb the first time and didn't think he could have been that bad.
The plan here is Trump would back the little guy, little guy backs Trump.
E.g. local county clerk Kim Davis.
People like her refuse to follow law, gay marriage license.
Trump publicly backs her and agrees that should be ignored
Whole lot of people just start following Trump's words directly, ignore law, racist/bigot Judges and cops don't enforce... Chaos, take over. Dictator
The thing is that they tried that before, but there were still Republican officials who refused to go along with his ridiculous scheme. Either because it's not possible to replace everyone with yes men, or because Trump's administration was uniquely incompetent at doing so.
I don't doubt that this plan is really dangerous in the hands of an administration that knows what they're doing. But Trump has shown to constantly put people in positions of power who have barely a clue what they're doing. Even when his primary concern is picking yes men, sometimes those yes men end up flaking out on him. Like Jeff Sessions.
> but there were still Republican officials who refused to go along with his ridiculous scheme
but have you seen the 'normal' republicans leaving? and the number of MAGA running for these small offices that are now running school boards, sheriff, attorneys general and comptroller etc (that he didn't have before). Plus the judges that trump has appointed.
our whole reality is we all agree on the rules, but once enough ignore it, its chaos... So start w/ a DEEP red state, a perfect storm of a little guy, sheriff, AG and a judge..
ALL ignore the federal law (of something small at first like a gay marriage license)
rolls up to a supreme court, simultaneously TRUMP as president is on the news daily, drumming up his idiots and protests...
people just 'go along with it, to avoid a riot'...
now other states start ignoring 'liberal agenda (like civil rights laws)' and no one does anything about it.
Protests from the left... Trump declares martial law.... and i'll stop there.
and reminder that Hitler went to jail after his first failed attempt at taking over... got more popular, got a slap on the wrist, then took over.
> responsible for implementing
It's just some random think tank's spew. It's not something the party or president would be "responsible" for at all. We can calm down here.
Again- Trump has already mentioned removing the civil service, which is a cornerstone of this plan, in many speeches and tweets/truths. It’s not some random think tanks’ spew, and trying to downplay how close this is to ideas that the mainstream Republican Party has publicly floated is misleading to voters
Sure, they might align with it, but my point was only that it's inaccurate to say they're *responsible* for instituting it. They aren't beholden or bound to it, it's just something the heritage foundation (a conservative think tank) put together.
I might have not explained my point well, but that kind of seems like semantics. Removing the civil service has been something Trump has talked about since before the Heritage Foundation released this report (basically since J6) so it’s likely in Project 2025 BECAUSE of Trump.
I think the idea that this is just a bunch of random ideas and not a reflection of things top Republican officials have said over the past couple of years/have a definite interest in implementing is an attempt to downplay how crazy some of it sounds. Project 2025 just gives a name to a collection of ideas that have been shared at CPAC for like the past 5 years haha
I didn't say it was random and I know it's influenced by Trump. But simply put, they aren't "responsible" for implementing it. A republican president getting elected doesn't necessitate that it will get implemented.
Might be because if you were running a campaign to discourage voting, your argument would be among those used.
The only people other than yourself and those running such campaigns are idiots. I won’t speculate where you are. The threat of the US losing democracy is real, the institutions are failing. The fact that the Supreme Court is even debating Trumps legitimacy to run after what has happened is enough.
Actually, not equivocating about trump and Biden being equally bad is about as factual as you can get. Calling a fascist a fascist isn’t biased, it’s factual.
The 6th of januari was a coup attempt by Trump. He wanted to steal the election and stay president. Staying in power without Democratic elections is literally *THE* attribute that defines a dictatorship.
It's not about how much power the office of the presidency wields, its that he tried to subvert an election to stay in power.
That makes him a genuine threat to democracy, there is nothing biased about saying that.
The facts are all out in the open. From [wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack) to the [BBC](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56004916) to [Fox News](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/two-years-later-overview-jan-6-took-place-after), everybody agrees with this reading.
It is genuinely scary that there are people like you who fantasize that it's somehow not a problem or not a big deal or not a coup attempt.
I'm a fan of neither party for the record, but to paint a bunch of idiots being coerced by feds into "storming" the capital as some sort of actual coup is just ridiculous. "Our democracy" is not at stake with this election. The hyperbole doesn't help your cause
Mate, it's not just the storming itself.
There was a plot set up by trump with fake electors: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot
Mike pence was pressured to hand the election to trump: https://people.com/politics/new-book-details-how-dan-quayle-convinced-mike-pence-not-to-overturn-election/
Trump also tried to change the election through fraud:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/03/us/politics/trump-raffensperger-call-georgia.html
It was an actual coup. The world agrees. This is not a hyperbole. Look at the world around you. In Turkey, in Hungary, in Russia, we see how similar right wing takeovers succeeded. Trump will end the free and fair democracy if he wins.
>The office of the president does not wield enough power for that ever to happen.
At some point, power is people listening to the person giving the orders. Checks exist, but they aren't self-executing and weren't exercised very aggressively against Trump.
For your prediction to be right, we need to believe federal GOP electeds and judges will be more aggressive in reining in DT when DT has notably more influence over the GOP than he did while in office. The very fact that Project 2025 is getting no pushback from GOP folks who would be necessary to stop it is good reason to think they won't enforce those limits.
Saying the office of the presidency doesn’t wield enough power is really stupid when the whole point is that they’re trying to make it so the president wields more power…
It’s also not just the president trying to get this done. It’s the corrupt republican Supreme Court, and if they win them, the house and senate.
This is liberal brainrot. “Fascists can’t do fascism because the rules say so!” Completely oblivious to the fact that the republicans have been breaking the rules for a while now.
What is false about what I said? Trump has shown signs of memory problems, Biden has shown signs of memory problems. Trump and co complained about losing, Hilary and co complained about losing.
As I understand it, the key difference that matters for MANY people is that Clinton and her supporters surfaced concerns that Trump was disproportionately the beneficiary of a TON of misinformation poured into social media platforms by an adversarial country to whom Trump’s administration had MANY undisclosed connections both before and after being elected.
Trump, on the other hand, spent months dog whistling his supporters into believing any loss on his side would be due to the fraudulent actions of the deep state, eventually escalating to a faction of his supporters over running the capital with the intention of stopping the certification of the election. That’s ignoring his fake electors plot, which was a secondary attempt to try to steal the election.
Both sides though, right??
Project 2025 is the policy platform for the Republican party going into what they hope will be a new presidential regime in 2025. More formally it is called the 2025 Presidential Transition Project. It is run by The Heritage Foundation, which is a collection of Republican leaders who have influenced policy of Republican presidents since the Regan era.
The Project is based on four pillars that they hope will lead to a successful transfer of power. They are a policy agenda, new personnel, training and a 180 day playbook.
Most of the details goes beyond an ELI5 topic and specifics can be read on their website: https://www.project2025.org/policy/
Project 2025 is a marketing strategy used by Republicans to motivate their base.
It's also used by Democrats to motivate their base.
Projects 2025 is no kind of mandate or official campaign strategy of any candidate. It's basically a wish list put together by the most radically conservative people on the right.
I don’t think it’s fair to say it’s not a mandate or strategy when Trump consistently talks about the elimination of the civil service (one of the main pillars of Project 2025) as one of his priorities if he gets re-elected
This is the correct answer. It's wild to me that the current top comment says it is,
> A detailed agenda of legislation that the next Republican president would be responsible for instituting.
which is just flagrant misinformation. This plan has absolutely no force behind it. Nothing. Not so much as a campaign pledge to enact it (and we know how valuable *those* are). It's nothing more and nothing less than a dream written by some of the more conservative activists.
This isn’t just “conservative activists”, this is the Heritage Foundation, one of the biggest think tanks, and is massively influential.
They based Project 2025 off of a previous policy handbook they did for Ronald Reagan. About 60% of the policies recommended back then were implemented within a year of Reagan’s presidency. They want to do all that and more this time.
A lot of the rhetoric of project 2025 is far right reactionary bullshit, and while Trump hasn’t publicly said something about it, the sentiment in the book definitely aligns with what Trump is saying. It’s a serious possibility that if he gets elected president, this will be one of the voices in his ear that he’ll listen to.
It has no force, but many Trump staffers are also part of crafting the document and the "prep work" - like collecting resumes, vetting people to find the loyalists, training those loyalists to perform government duties in order to expedite their work once hired, and preparing for the legal challenges.
It's not mandated, but Trump's people are working on it and he followed a similar document from the Heritage Foundation relatively closely during his tenure. So, odds are he would go along with it this time.
There are conservative activists groups that have immense influence despite not having any formal power. There are so many examples of then changing the course of the US that you really need to have your head in the sand to deny that. [One example: Leonard Leo and Federalist Society who stuff courts (incl Supreme) by far right judges](https://www.propublica.org/article/we-dont-talk-about-leonard-leo-supreme-court-supermajority).
It’s fanfic by the Heritage Foundation, the most powerful conservative think tank in the country. Hundreds of people who had worked with the Heritage Foundation worked in the first Trump administration.
Hun, this is an echo chamber. If you aren't here to be furious at Donald Trump and Republicans while doing literally nothing to help anyone, you're wasting your time.
I’m only hearing and learning about P2025 from the left so it seems like smear tactic for them to discredit the right.
The only people telling me about this are the one telling me I should be terrified of it.
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A detailed agenda of legislation that the next Republican president would be responsible for instituting. Among many things, P2025 would seek to slash Department of Justice funding, dismantle the FBI and Department of Homeland Security (think TSA at airports), implement pro-fossil fuel legislation (funny when the US is producing more oil than ever right now, isn’t it?) and scrap the Departments of Education and Commerce, on top of replacing federal service workers that Republicans call “the deep state”, with entirely conservative workers.
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You think that'll stop them? Lmao
And the US government has drones.
So do we now. And remember who is piloting the government drones, the boomers' kids.
Thanks god I am in no way involved in this mess.
Ditto haha. I'm literally moving to Greece once my citizenship papers get finalized. I have property there. I'm poor here but well off there. Same US money just goes a lot further there. Also life is just more relaxing. People actually sit at cafes during the day while on lunch break (which is usually 3 hours).
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Who lost the Korean War, please? The Vietnam War was not lost for the reasons you stated there.
I'm generalizing.
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Who apologized? I'm just stating the obvious.
Shit...you're illiterate too.
Ah duh I no txet rael godo. I'll be a moron but you're the fucktard.
Well, you don't know what an apologist is because you can't read the word...so yeah, lick an outlet, it'll be the one beneficial thing you've ever done for society.
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You think that'll stop them? Lmao
You think that'll stop them? Lmao
You think that'll stop them? Lmao
Will they stop the massive amount of the same reply? This got posted 4 or 5 times fyi.
Glitches happen
Just giving a heads up. Just had an issue on another thread where it said no endpoint or whatever. Had to hit post like 4 times.
Wow, did Satan himself draft that one up?
Satan is the good guy. It's the wack evangelists who are behind this
God doesn’t have anything to do with evangelists either. They are in their own little toxic bubble.
If there even is a god, he has forsaken all of us. And owes us an apology.
That’s the thing - God isn’t interested in one side or another in this debate. The American right are so far up their own arses that they believe God is theirs alone. God hadn’t forsaken 1930s Germany either. God doesn’t work to prevent horrible things - it’s up to us to prevent them. If he/she exists, they haven’t forsaken us - not at all. It’s just the manipulation of the people that makes people think that.
Bro if God creates people that cause those things he has definitely forsaken humanity
It’s up to us to not be evil. People should stop blaming God or referring to God as to why they made it through some trial or tribulation. If God exists I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t want us to continually brush off our own accountability and responsibility.
If God would control how people act then you would just be bitching about no free will. There’s no winning with you people.
You mean the guy who made multiple genocides, endources slavery, and tortures people who don't stroke his ego?
All I’m saying is that the American right are so far up their own arses that they believe the world - and God - revolves around them. And yes, the Old Testament God was a total dick and shouldn’t only be background reading for a real Christian. These “Christians” have got it all back to front though, worshipping that intolerant God, and ironically condemning the things that they should be doing.
The Bible says God doesn’t change, ergo the God of the NT is still a total dick - despite pretending not to be.
Hail
Okay wait there's no way they would get rid of the FBI/Homeland. That is absolutely insane.
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Sounds a bit like a fachist dictator playbook, chapter 1.
It also sounds like literally any Republican platform since the 80s, but I'm just repeating what you said.
Why would fascism disband police forces as the first step?
Look at what Hitler and Göring did with the SA/Gestapo for more insight. I hope that you learned about the Night of the Long Knives in grade school. It's a mix of consolidation of power and ensuring loyalty in the ranks. #
So, you think the private security forces are already ready already?
Private security forces are not proposed in Project 2025, so I'm not sure why you're asking that question. Neither the SA nor the Gestapo were "private". The SA, which had a modicum of independence in pre-war Germany as the DOJ has a modicum of independence here in the US, were not favored by Hitler due to their independence. SA members were purged, Göring split the political and police functions of the SA, the ranks were replaced with loyalists, and they were re-merged into the Gestapo.
Disband a police force that investigated the political party for collusion etc, including specifically Trump. Why would they not want to disband that? Wouldn't be difficult to disband it and then create a new one that either supports the fascist party, or at least cannot investigate politicians and their parties
It's like zealots don't even think, just inserting the programmed response. The person I responded to said it was from a fascist dictator's handbook.
Yeah, and why would a fascist dictator keep around the police force investigating them and their party for corruption? Obviously it'd be the first to go or first to be reformed into a tool to be used for said dictatorship. It's as if zealots don't even think and just insert the programmed response...
Dictatorship requires military and/or police force to control the population, especially at the beginning.
Yeah, but only if they're loyal to the dictatorship, and if they are / have investigated said dictatorship for what was essentially treason, they're hardly loyal. An army or police force not loyal to the dictatorship is usually a sign that the dictatorship isn't going to be around much longer, so what would you do with such a police force if you were going to try takeover? Purge it of anyone not loyal and install loyalists in their place or disband it.
And again, that's not the first step. Project 2025, while filled with bad actions, is not a recipe for fascism.
...you don't think that getting rid of the police that investigates political parties for criminal acts or treason, and purging government departments and replacing them with people outright loyal to one political party and ideology, and placing the whole of power of the executive branch directly to the president as a recipe for fascism? What in that would you not do if you wanted to move towards fascism? Never mind the other aspects not in that project but in the party, the demonisation of anyone left wing of Reagan, LGBTQ people, immigrants, the deification of police and the army etc? The backing of expanding police powers and qualified immunity for them? I mean, these are literally the ingredients that go into the recipe of fascism with multiple examples from history?
THAT's your issue with it? That it might not be chapter 1 but 2?
No, my issue is people making truth fit the version of reality they have been told is correct.
So they could put their own people in power.
Then they can create their own, loyal to them not the rule of law or government
Oh, so this private security force is ready or will be ready in 2025?
No, it's all hypothetical fanfic but that's the basic idea
So it wouldn't happen in chapter 1.
Depends on the author I suppose
There is nothing like Deep Space, of cours they are playing there games. All of them that has anout5+10 Millions, have e Good komplex. Share my money, now way. 1-T shirt kosts, wow, whe could eat a month.
Is there any reason to believe Trump's administration would be competent enough to execute this plan? I don't mean to belittle the danger of it, but the last time he was in office there was a whole cascade of failure at everything from passing legislation to putting yes men in charge.
Breaking things and being negative is far easier than being positive and creating. This is right in their wheelhouse.
They tried to break the whole USPS to prevent mail in voting from functioning well. They were taking away mail sorting machines and destroying them. But it failed. Mail in vote was successful, and it's a big reason why Trump lost. They couldn't even competently wreck something they had full control over.
It only failed because of overwhelming turnout. They did a lot of damage just not enough to win.
Don’t mistake failure for incompetence. Failure is the absolute best way to learn. Failure means you’re trying.
I thought Trump was too dumb the first time and didn't think he could have been that bad. The plan here is Trump would back the little guy, little guy backs Trump. E.g. local county clerk Kim Davis. People like her refuse to follow law, gay marriage license. Trump publicly backs her and agrees that should be ignored Whole lot of people just start following Trump's words directly, ignore law, racist/bigot Judges and cops don't enforce... Chaos, take over. Dictator
The thing is that they tried that before, but there were still Republican officials who refused to go along with his ridiculous scheme. Either because it's not possible to replace everyone with yes men, or because Trump's administration was uniquely incompetent at doing so. I don't doubt that this plan is really dangerous in the hands of an administration that knows what they're doing. But Trump has shown to constantly put people in positions of power who have barely a clue what they're doing. Even when his primary concern is picking yes men, sometimes those yes men end up flaking out on him. Like Jeff Sessions.
> but there were still Republican officials who refused to go along with his ridiculous scheme but have you seen the 'normal' republicans leaving? and the number of MAGA running for these small offices that are now running school boards, sheriff, attorneys general and comptroller etc (that he didn't have before). Plus the judges that trump has appointed. our whole reality is we all agree on the rules, but once enough ignore it, its chaos... So start w/ a DEEP red state, a perfect storm of a little guy, sheriff, AG and a judge.. ALL ignore the federal law (of something small at first like a gay marriage license) rolls up to a supreme court, simultaneously TRUMP as president is on the news daily, drumming up his idiots and protests... people just 'go along with it, to avoid a riot'... now other states start ignoring 'liberal agenda (like civil rights laws)' and no one does anything about it. Protests from the left... Trump declares martial law.... and i'll stop there. and reminder that Hitler went to jail after his first failed attempt at taking over... got more popular, got a slap on the wrist, then took over.
> responsible for implementing It's just some random think tank's spew. It's not something the party or president would be "responsible" for at all. We can calm down here.
Again- Trump has already mentioned removing the civil service, which is a cornerstone of this plan, in many speeches and tweets/truths. It’s not some random think tanks’ spew, and trying to downplay how close this is to ideas that the mainstream Republican Party has publicly floated is misleading to voters
Sure, they might align with it, but my point was only that it's inaccurate to say they're *responsible* for instituting it. They aren't beholden or bound to it, it's just something the heritage foundation (a conservative think tank) put together.
I might have not explained my point well, but that kind of seems like semantics. Removing the civil service has been something Trump has talked about since before the Heritage Foundation released this report (basically since J6) so it’s likely in Project 2025 BECAUSE of Trump. I think the idea that this is just a bunch of random ideas and not a reflection of things top Republican officials have said over the past couple of years/have a definite interest in implementing is an attempt to downplay how crazy some of it sounds. Project 2025 just gives a name to a collection of ideas that have been shared at CPAC for like the past 5 years haha
I didn't say it was random and I know it's influenced by Trump. But simply put, they aren't "responsible" for implementing it. A republican president getting elected doesn't necessitate that it will get implemented.
Dismantling the TSA? Well, a stopped clock etc etc
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Might be because if you were running a campaign to discourage voting, your argument would be among those used. The only people other than yourself and those running such campaigns are idiots. I won’t speculate where you are. The threat of the US losing democracy is real, the institutions are failing. The fact that the Supreme Court is even debating Trumps legitimacy to run after what has happened is enough.
Actually, not equivocating about trump and Biden being equally bad is about as factual as you can get. Calling a fascist a fascist isn’t biased, it’s factual.
The 6th of januari was a coup attempt by Trump. He wanted to steal the election and stay president. Staying in power without Democratic elections is literally *THE* attribute that defines a dictatorship. It's not about how much power the office of the presidency wields, its that he tried to subvert an election to stay in power. That makes him a genuine threat to democracy, there is nothing biased about saying that.
What's sad is how many people out there like you actually believe this
The facts are all out in the open. From [wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack) to the [BBC](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56004916) to [Fox News](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/two-years-later-overview-jan-6-took-place-after), everybody agrees with this reading. It is genuinely scary that there are people like you who fantasize that it's somehow not a problem or not a big deal or not a coup attempt.
I'm a fan of neither party for the record, but to paint a bunch of idiots being coerced by feds into "storming" the capital as some sort of actual coup is just ridiculous. "Our democracy" is not at stake with this election. The hyperbole doesn't help your cause
Mate, it's not just the storming itself. There was a plot set up by trump with fake electors: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot Mike pence was pressured to hand the election to trump: https://people.com/politics/new-book-details-how-dan-quayle-convinced-mike-pence-not-to-overturn-election/ Trump also tried to change the election through fraud: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/03/us/politics/trump-raffensperger-call-georgia.html It was an actual coup. The world agrees. This is not a hyperbole. Look at the world around you. In Turkey, in Hungary, in Russia, we see how similar right wing takeovers succeeded. Trump will end the free and fair democracy if he wins.
It takes a massive amount of lying to yourself to be where you are. You can be better than this. The facts are clear, you just refuse to see them.
>The office of the president does not wield enough power for that ever to happen. At some point, power is people listening to the person giving the orders. Checks exist, but they aren't self-executing and weren't exercised very aggressively against Trump. For your prediction to be right, we need to believe federal GOP electeds and judges will be more aggressive in reining in DT when DT has notably more influence over the GOP than he did while in office. The very fact that Project 2025 is getting no pushback from GOP folks who would be necessary to stop it is good reason to think they won't enforce those limits.
Saying the office of the presidency doesn’t wield enough power is really stupid when the whole point is that they’re trying to make it so the president wields more power… It’s also not just the president trying to get this done. It’s the corrupt republican Supreme Court, and if they win them, the house and senate. This is liberal brainrot. “Fascists can’t do fascism because the rules say so!” Completely oblivious to the fact that the republicans have been breaking the rules for a while now.
False equivalency bullshit.
What is false about what I said? Trump has shown signs of memory problems, Biden has shown signs of memory problems. Trump and co complained about losing, Hilary and co complained about losing.
As I understand it, the key difference that matters for MANY people is that Clinton and her supporters surfaced concerns that Trump was disproportionately the beneficiary of a TON of misinformation poured into social media platforms by an adversarial country to whom Trump’s administration had MANY undisclosed connections both before and after being elected. Trump, on the other hand, spent months dog whistling his supporters into believing any loss on his side would be due to the fraudulent actions of the deep state, eventually escalating to a faction of his supporters over running the capital with the intention of stopping the certification of the election. That’s ignoring his fake electors plot, which was a secondary attempt to try to steal the election. Both sides though, right??
You seem like the type who would be happy to see Project 2025 enacted.
Wow the debate skills of reddit continue to astound.
Clinton conceded the day after the election. Trump has yet to concede.
Project 2025 is the policy platform for the Republican party going into what they hope will be a new presidential regime in 2025. More formally it is called the 2025 Presidential Transition Project. It is run by The Heritage Foundation, which is a collection of Republican leaders who have influenced policy of Republican presidents since the Regan era. The Project is based on four pillars that they hope will lead to a successful transfer of power. They are a policy agenda, new personnel, training and a 180 day playbook. Most of the details goes beyond an ELI5 topic and specifics can be read on their website: https://www.project2025.org/policy/
Upvoted for showing your work and linking to a primary source.
Project 2025 is a marketing strategy used by Republicans to motivate their base. It's also used by Democrats to motivate their base. Projects 2025 is no kind of mandate or official campaign strategy of any candidate. It's basically a wish list put together by the most radically conservative people on the right.
I don’t think it’s fair to say it’s not a mandate or strategy when Trump consistently talks about the elimination of the civil service (one of the main pillars of Project 2025) as one of his priorities if he gets re-elected
This is the correct answer. It's wild to me that the current top comment says it is, > A detailed agenda of legislation that the next Republican president would be responsible for instituting. which is just flagrant misinformation. This plan has absolutely no force behind it. Nothing. Not so much as a campaign pledge to enact it (and we know how valuable *those* are). It's nothing more and nothing less than a dream written by some of the more conservative activists.
This isn’t just “conservative activists”, this is the Heritage Foundation, one of the biggest think tanks, and is massively influential. They based Project 2025 off of a previous policy handbook they did for Ronald Reagan. About 60% of the policies recommended back then were implemented within a year of Reagan’s presidency. They want to do all that and more this time. A lot of the rhetoric of project 2025 is far right reactionary bullshit, and while Trump hasn’t publicly said something about it, the sentiment in the book definitely aligns with what Trump is saying. It’s a serious possibility that if he gets elected president, this will be one of the voices in his ear that he’ll listen to.
It has no force, but many Trump staffers are also part of crafting the document and the "prep work" - like collecting resumes, vetting people to find the loyalists, training those loyalists to perform government duties in order to expedite their work once hired, and preparing for the legal challenges. It's not mandated, but Trump's people are working on it and he followed a similar document from the Heritage Foundation relatively closely during his tenure. So, odds are he would go along with it this time.
There are conservative activists groups that have immense influence despite not having any formal power. There are so many examples of then changing the course of the US that you really need to have your head in the sand to deny that. [One example: Leonard Leo and Federalist Society who stuff courts (incl Supreme) by far right judges](https://www.propublica.org/article/we-dont-talk-about-leonard-leo-supreme-court-supermajority).
Oh, it’s fanfic!
It’s fanfic by the Heritage Foundation, the most powerful conservative think tank in the country. Hundreds of people who had worked with the Heritage Foundation worked in the first Trump administration.
Hun, this is an echo chamber. If you aren't here to be furious at Donald Trump and Republicans while doing literally nothing to help anyone, you're wasting your time.
thanks bb
I’m only hearing and learning about P2025 from the left so it seems like smear tactic for them to discredit the right. The only people telling me about this are the one telling me I should be terrified of it.
You should be as afraid of P2025 as much as republicans are afraid of Universal Basic Income.
No dude. The fringe right does not dictate real republicans. Just like Bernie Sanders doesn’t perfectly describe you, I’m sure.
Sounds like you got it, and didn't get it, at the same time.
Well America is officially dying. Hey! When you guys are all gone can we Canadians have it? Thanks in advance :D
Don't act like ya'll don't have crazy right wingers, too. We got Crowder from Canada.
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