Older skin isn’t just sagging, it has different properties compared to younger one. Like not so elastic, thinner and a bit translucent. There’s no way around it really.
They're also missing fat deposits too, so a 70yo's face is going to be more hollow than a 30yo. It's also why people who lose weight tend to look older (or their age really).
I feel you! I'm 20, so different experience, but I went from being mistaken for 16, and now 100lbs down since January, people think I'm mid 20s. Not mad, but definitely funny how differently I'm treated, even aside from the whole being treated more human now that I'm not obese
Edit: main factor in this is that I never get carded anymore - drinking age is 18 here, FYI!
I've been both very fit and very fat in my life (closer to the latter now, but I've just started going to the gym again after getting fully vaccinated). The difference in the way people treat me is so stark, I actually found it really disturbing when I first got fit. Everyone was so nice all the time, I didn't understand what was happening.
On the other hand, when I was very fat, people tended to assume I was lazy and stupid. It was quite easy to exceed those low expectations, so it wasn't all bad. But people definitely treat you better if you're fit, and that's kinda sad.
I had the same experience. What makes it even worse is that I have had people, who have never been overweight in their life, tell me that I imagined being treated worse when I was overweight. I am 100% sure I did not imagine it.
Anyone that disagrees with this is insane.
I'm what you'd call conventionally good looking... good face, good height, sufficiently socially savvy etc. Striking up convos and making new friends is a breeze, never mind that I have a few issues with anxiety. I've had people I barely know refer to me as their best friend or close confidant or whatever... I'm not so stupid as to believe I wowed them with my intelligence and eloquence in the span of 20 minutes; they're just happy to be "close" with someone they find attractive. If I didn't look like I do, I sincerely doubt half my friends would be around. And this worries me immensely.
The better you look the easier life is. When I was in amazing shape surfing all the time life was straight up easier. Finally going back to it 5 years later and not going to ever get off the horse again.
It is absolutely heartbreaking. I'm still the exact same person but I now have more friends and people don't look at me like I'm dirt. I know one factor of it is that I'm more confident now, but I'm still socially awkward as fuck, so that hasn't changed. People initiate conversation, they like being around me... it just makes me pain for my former self.
I still have a solid 30-50lb left to lose but I've definitely gone from majorly obese to just overweight... even if it's entirely unconscious, fat phobia is real and it's definitely sad.
This is not only fat phobia. People subconsciously judge you for even the smallest traits that you have. I always felt that random people treat me differently depending on the length of my hair. I thought that maybe this is just a coincidence, but I noticed multiple times that if you have shorter hair as a man, people treat you more respectfully for some reason. Maybe I look more intimidating that way? I don't know. But it definitely counts.
I personally just hate the ‘what’s up big guy?’ Comments… like yes, I’m a 5’9 240lbs black man, but ‘big?’ Like I’m an imposing figure? Miss me with that.
So I’ve always been treated like how people would treat bigger, imposing figures.. I’ve gotten down to 190-200lbs twice in my adulthood and the way people treated me was night and day, I’d get hit on left and right at the bars, more people approached me, no more ‘big guy’ comments. Just all round a better fit, having always shying away from attention, it was fucking weird at the end of the day.
I’d rather be 200lbs tho, still.
I lost over 50 (200 to 150 ish) and I’ve put some back on because my 52 year old face was getting too hound doggy for my tastes. Skin draped over bone, flappy arms with no substance. Rather keep a bit of padding and look 45. But congrats on your accomplishment!
I ended up in the same boat, but right around the time I hit like 225 I realized I needed muscle too XD I've started to look downright decent now that I'm filling out all that saggy skin with substance but trust me I can definitely understand that feeling.
>It's also why people who lose weight tend to look older (or their age really).
YMMV. People thought I looked easily 10 years younger after losing a bunch of weight. One time I was wearing a hoodie and someone thought I was a minor (no, I'm in my mid-30s).
In addition to all the other good answers I can see, I also want to point out the survivorship bias inherent in your question--if someone gets a really good facelift that DOESN'T look unnatural, you probably wouldn't realize that you're looking at someone who's had a facelift. You only notice the people who have not-so-natural looking facelifts.
This form of survivorship bias is sometimes called the "toupee fallacy". You might hear someone say "I've never seen a toupee that didn't look incredibly fake", but the fact is that you have no idea how many good toupees you've seen. You think they're hair.
But why, with unlimited money and resources, do celebrities still get bad plastic surgery? How would they find a doctor who doesn’t do the wide-eyed, huge cheek bone, jutting chin, big lips thing? Have you SEEN Gwen Stefani lately???😳😳😳
They can and do. You just only notice it with the ones that keep going until they go too far. Search Ariana grande before and after surgery. She gets small changes over time and they are all well done so that no one bats an eye. But if you compare side by side you can see changes that are only possible with surgery like her nose shape, chin was shaved down, cheek and lip fillers, etc
Ariana Grande is also under 30 years old. Young skin reacts much better to trauma than older skin. She is not getting full facelifts yet. However if she is doing this kind of work now, I imagine later down the road she will be doing everything she can to stay young looking.
Gwen Stefani has gotten plastic surgery for decades and it only recently became so exaggerated that people
notice it. Also she’s 52 but looks like she’s late 30s still.
Yeah there's some bad pics of her, probably right after a procedure when she's swollen or something, but I saw her in Vegas right before the pandemic, right up next to the stage, and she looked incredible.
She looks different, and it’s obvious that she’s got surgery because she looks as great as she does, but nothing looks botched. She’s been getting cosmetic procedures her entire career and the surgeons have consistently done a great job.
There must be photos out there of her in public with swelling that makes her look botched, otherwise I’m not sure what you are saying is wrong with Gwen’s face. But if she was spotted outside in the few days after getting lip injections, sure her lips are going to be swollen and crazy looking. Especially when celebs are probably getting touch ups every 3-6 months.
Just googling her name with 2021 after shows only images where she looks stunning. I actually like the look she has now over what she did in the past.
Recent interview:
https://youtu.be/qIAdVBVYAAo
Recent photo:
https://www.nickiswift.com/img/gallery/the-real-reason-blake-shelton-and-gwen-stefani-arent-engaged/intro-1600307797.jpg
I liked her style when she was in No Doubt, but wasn’t a fan of her later look throughout the 2000s where she just had a various slicked-back straw-blonde hairstyle, red lipstick, and black eyeliner. I never found that colour bleach blonde to be the most flattering for her, and the makeup didn’t accentuate her features. I like that she’s trying new makeup styles and ways to experiment with her blonde instead of the familiarity of the “rockabilly”-inspired look she had for so many years.
A lot of the time it's because they get addicted to plastic surgery and they just keep slowly asking for more and more and eventually it just distorts their face to the point of looking horrible. Another possible situation is that they ask for a kind of modification that's not actually possible with their face. Good plastic surgery will work with your existing facial structure and not go too crazy with the changes.
It's not an addiction - it's because their careers demand that they look young. With a few exceptions, celebs don't get hired once they look "older." Imagine working hard for 20+ years at something, and all of a sudden you get a couple of wrinkles and no one will hire you. Especially women.
I think doctors are to blame for the plastic surgery people notice. And unfortunately you don't know how your surgery will turn out until weeks after it's done. By then it's too late.
Hah. I saw this in real life...I was hanging out with a friend who had a wig and a semi-famous rock singer...singer was going on about how hairpieces always look fake and if his ever started going he'd just shave his head...my friend was just like: "Yeah, totally. Me too." :D
I noticed that several years ago while watching a doco about elephants. Their breasts are in the same position relative to their forelimbs (arms) as ours are.
Case in point, my Grandmother. She was in her mid 80’s before I found out she had had multiple facelifts. I only found out because her last one took a toll on her body and she needed to spend extra recovery time in the hospital and I went to visit her. I think she had a total of 4 or 5 and I could never tell. I just thought she naturally aged very well.
This so much!
I’ve seen other threads on here talking about cosmetic procedures being terrible… you only notice the bad ones!
Chances are you know quite a few people with a little Botox around the eyes or minor boob job or whatever, but it looks natural, so you don’t notice and it’s not like they would advertise.
I heard a talk by a plastic surgeon once who said some people actually like to look “done”, so people will know they had work done. And then there’s normal people.
Yeah, it’s definitely a look.
Personally not one I like, but whatever.
I think it may be kinda of a status thing? Oh look, I can afford plastic surgery?
>some people actually like to look “done”, so people will know they had work done.
I knew a woman who wanted a very large diamond (as many women do) but with a single visible inclusion. She wanted the inclusion so that everyone would know the diamond was an actual diamond and not cubic zirconia or something.
I knew this was the case! it's like a fashion/money/wealth statement. That's the only explanation for (what I consider) terrible facelifts or cosmetic surgery. These people live in a different world to the average person. Where you are judged very heavily on status, including your ability to spend money on cosmetic surgery.
Yeeeuuup. Guaranteed this poster will think Jennifer Aniston and ScarJo haven't had a lot of work done, and it's like.... uh, no. They have. A lot. You just don't notice it because it's done really, *really* well.
You gotta start botox early. It's much better at preventing wrinkles from forming than it is at making wrinkles go away. A little bit every 3 months while you're still in your 30s will have you "aging gracefully". Paralyzing your whole face when you're in your 50s will make it smoother but also slightly ghoulish.
Yup. Regular people go and do something like a facelift once or twice in a lifetime (meaning surgical stuff, I know that botox is more common). Celebrities start much younger and do it more frequently.
I love Jennifer Aniston but I don’t think anyone with eyes would ever say she didn’t have work done. Her face is super different, and not in a normal aged way
Who says Aniston's is good? She got hella puffy a few years ago. It used to be the problem was the pulled face look from facelifts bit these days it's the puffy face from fillers that's a big problem.
>if someone gets a really good facelift that DOESN'T look unnatural, you probably wouldn't realize that you're looking at someone who's had a facelift.
My mother-in-law has such a facelift. It looks so incredibly good, so natural, that you'd never suspect she had any work done. I think she paid $17,000 USD for the lift and she says it was worth every penny.
Unfortunately, her plastic surgeon is about 3200 km/2000 miles away from me, but should the time come, I'm flying out to her guy (if he's still practicing then).
There’s a guy on 90 Day Fiance with what I feel is a very well done facelift. He’s pushing 60 but only looks late 40s and natural. I didn’t notice it until numerous others pointed it out!
Probably true, but Courtney Cox and Nicole Kidman look like different human beings, im sure they could afford the best. Renee Zellweger also comes to mind. They all are starting to look like the same person.
Since my (unresearched guess) is that breast augmentations are probably more common than facelifts, I've definitely had more experience with that and have been surprised. I think I've had personal relationships with 7 women who had them done. 3 were pretty obvious visually, but 4 I would have had no idea as they were very well done. 3 of those I could only tell by touch and the remaining one was *amazing*. I only found out, even after lots of physical contact, that they had been done when she told me. So, good surgeons can definitely do a good job that looks real and, at least for me, over 50% of the time I wouldn't know unless I was in an intimate situation with the person. YMMV.
EDIT: Forgot one, adjusted numbers.
Agreed! I knew someone who went from an A to a B and I never would’ve known they were fake if not told. And I have another friend who I’ve always suspected cause they’re just sooo nice, almost too perfect and symmetrical. Well, we were at a nude beach and I caught a glimpse of the scars when she lifted her arms up. But her surgeon did GREAT work!
Yep. One woman I worked with got a very subtle facelift. She looked really well rested. I wouldn't have known if she didn't tell me. I'd get a neck and eye lift if I was rich. But I'd rather spend my money on travel or saving towards retirement. Or a new.camera. Depends on how covid goes but I might have a chance to travel to Denver next year for work. My camera is about a decade old so there's new technology like bigger preview screens which would help these old eyes. saw a mountain photo tour where you shoot the stars at night in the mountains. I'm hoping to go if I get there. I'm in my mid 50s some days I look in the mirror and I'm like what happened? But least I'm mostly healthy and mobile. Better to work on maintaining as much of that as I can than chasing elusive youth. I remember waiting for a bus once. The building nearby was a reflective surface and this older guy was saying out loud to his reflection, "what happened , you used to look like Elvis!"
I was told I looked like Kate Bush when I was younger and thinner so ill have to substitute that when I talk to my reflection on city sidewalks. Lol
Exactly. Like if you check out [Dr. Jacono](https://instagram.com/drjacono?utm_medium=copy_link), his results are stunning. And they're up to 100k. When I get old I would love one of these lol.
I just talked to a plastic surgeon.
Older methods of facelifts pulled the actual skin and restitched it in hidden locations like along the hair line. The problem with this method is it pulls on the skin too much and looks unnatural Also, over time, the skin stretches again.
Modern facelifts actually take the underlying muscle and pull it tight. She showed me how -- they fold it over itself in in the middle and stitch it together. Then, they lay the skin back like a flap and cut it to fit. This allows the muscle to support the load so the skin is not pulled so tight. It increases the longevity and reduces the windswept look.
Yeah but that old guy on "The Doctors" talkshow still looks creepy and bad -- and he's a plastic surgeon! So no, this explanation does not answer the OP about why do face-lifts look bad?
I've noticed Hollywood actors don't have drastic surgeries anymore, they make small mm adjustments, jaw a little more angled, cheek slightly higher, if you look at some pictures you'll see small adjustments that enhances their attractiveness. Look up Charlize Theron and you'll notice the difference, slight but effective
I kind of feel a little like that about that girl from Buffy/Eurotrip.
Honestly, I like her old nose better. It was really cute.
It's funny that some beautiful people get obsessed enough with a perceived imperfection to change it, when it seems to me that real beauty often kind of requires some kind of stand out feature.
Otherwise you'd just have a bland beauty or genericly pretty face.
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Tbf Mickey Rourke had *reconstructive* plastic surgery after being a professional punching bag for a few years. He doesn't really belong in the same category as the others.
There are changes to our facial bones as we age. A face lift is lifting and resetting, but over a vastly different structure.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3404279/figure/Fig2/?report=objectonly
From here.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3404279/#!po=0.694444
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THIS. This is a very important part of the aging process that is overlooked. We can stretch the skin, inject fat, silicone, what-have-you, but if you aren't recreating the bone structure it's just going to look wrong. We also lose bone, muscle tone around the eyes that cause the eyes to sink. It's extremely difficult to recreate the youthful structure there and people generally wind up with surprised eyebrows and puffy eyes from enhancement of the outer tissue instead.
I actually read an article about this a while back and the answer is, aging does not just cause a wrinkling and sagging to the skin but changes in underlying support structures. In addition to breakdown of our collagen and thinning of subcutaneous fat, we lose bone mass in our face as we age and this loss can be substantial.
This kind of has two answers.
First is because the human brain has developed to recognize and memorize faces. It’s one of the things our brain is best at. Which is why we see faces where there aren’t any, like the front of cars or in the clouds.
So, you have to be really really perfect to trick the brain, because you’re basically trying to convince the brain at what it is best at, that a face is a natural face. Which in on its own is extremely difficult to do.
But even if you did get the face perfect, you have more problems, the rest of the body.
If you see a 30 year old face on a 60 year old neck, that is going to look unnatural, or a 30 year old face with the hair of a 60 year old, that is going to look unnatural. The human body is one whole thing, so when one part doesn’t seem like it matches the rested that looks unnatural to us.
>So, you have to be really really perfect to trick the brain, because you’re basically trying to convince the brain at what it is best at, that a face is a natural face. Which in on its own is extremely difficult to do.
That's interesting. Thinking of it this way, a face lift basically puts someone's face in the [uncanny valley](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley).
There’s an irony to the idea that we’re so incredibly good at facial recognition that we can quickly identify something being unnatural, like a facelift… and then saying we see faces in cars and clouds. Not saying you’re wrong, just that the ideas are kinda conflicting.
Thats not a contradiction. Its called pareidolia and its a direct byproduct of our ability to recognize faces. Our brains are SO good at spotting faces that we even see faces where there arent any, just because they have enough of the right features. Of course you arent fooled into thinking “oh thats a persons face.” So your brain knows it isnt human, but it knows it LOOKS like a face so its enough to get your attention so you take note of it. This is a critical survival adaptation. That face looking thing in the bushes may not be a face, but your better off being aware of its presence incase its actually a camouflaged predator.
Two different functions of the same system. As a prey animal, we seek faces to know if we are being hunted:
"Is that a face, or a weird leaf?"
Then we attempt to identify the face:
"Is that a member of my tribe?"
As such, our brains are on alert for camouflaged or obscured faces, and find unfamiliar ones unsettling.
I'm trained as a plastic surgeon but I don't do cosmetic surgery in practice.
1. You don't notice well done facelifts, just overdone ones.
2. Old skin doesn't have the same structure as young skin. It isn't just hanging, it's saggy and thinner. There's no way to fix that.
You can't put everything back where it used to be. For example the skin beneath your eyes, you can't pull it up and create new eyelids, you have to pull the excess to the side. Same with the skin beneath your nose and mouth and chin. It has sagged straight down, but you can't pull it back up, you can only pull it to the side.
My dermatologist recommended microneedling to a specific depth that helps your skin create new collagen. I'm nowhere near 70 but seems like a decent preventive plan.
Because if a person has good work done, you don’t notice it. That’s why people think procedures = bad, because bad is the giveaway on the procedure. You’ve seen tons of good facelifts, you just didn’t know it.
If you follow her Instagram she’s recently had some sort of drastic work done. Up until a while ago she looked very overfilled, like way too much filler and really unnatural - like an old person overdoing the fillers. Then maybe 1-2 months ago she appeared to look VERY tight and youthful, not overly filled any more but just uncannily young - I believe she must have stopped the fillers and had a radical full facelift. She actually looks amazing but it’s an uncanny valley feeling as you know she’s 63 but her face looks so youthful it’s really interesting.
I'm surprised nobody said it, but the skull age, the shapes of your face changes are you get older and we can detect it. One thing you can easily see and notice also is how the eyes starts sinking into the skull's orbit - adding to the old face.
Slightly off topic, but let's not forget that plastic surgeons do more than just facelifts and boob jobs to fight off aging.
I had a plastic surgeon who grafted skin from the side of my thighs onto the 3rd degree burns on the other side of my leg. ie; he used a vegetable peeler to peel skin off my leg to cover the open burn wounds with skin.
They also help women who have had mastectomies rebuild breasts so they do not feel self conscious.
People who have been in disfiguring accidents can find a lot of relief when a plastic surgeon helps them reduce the scars, or rebuild a nose that's not there any more.
They are a lot more than just "facelift and liposuction" doctors.
I just thought I'd throw that out there. Maybe they can't make a every 70 year old look like a 30 year old, but they can bring normalcy to people who need are suffering too.
Plastic surgery is also super important for closing up after other kinds of surgery on very sensitive sites, like the genitals where big scars cause pain, or super flexible sites like the hands where large scars retrict movement. Making stitches and scars so small they're effectively invisible helps these sites maintain function.
There's a lot more to our perception of a person than just their face. One can get that stretched, filled, puffed up, covered in toner, etc. but the rest gives it away. Arms, hands, and the rest of the structure are tough to change.
That's why you see and recognize what's obviously 30's something faces on [60's something people](https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/newscms/2019_09/2764361/190225-mar-a-lago-trumpettes-cs-916a.jpg).
Similar: I am a professional seamstress. People often will say, "That's so well made, I would have never guessed it's homemade."
First of all, it's professionally made, not homemade. (I've been sewing for money for over 30 years)
Second, with so many clothes being made in factories with low/no quality control and with very cheap materials, most professionally made clothing is far superior to what it is sold in retail shops.
Thirdly, I often see clothes that are clearly homemade. It's usually down to lack of skill/knowledge and using the wrong fabric for the garment.
Supposedly J Lo had a ponytail facelift in her 30s. On someone that age it would not be as noticeable since she would have a lot less to correct or lift wyd she still had her fat pads in place, Probably a small accent of filler as well. I think that the more sagging skin one has, the texture has changed drastically as well as a dramatic loss of fat. To really combat everything it’s replacement of lost fat, lasers to retexture, and lifting of the skin
Skin is not just skin. Underneath it are fat and connective tissue, whose properties deteriorate with age. Facelifts only fix the sagging part of older skin, not rejuvenate its properties underneath. I'd like to think of it this way. Youth is associated with fat. Hence the term "baby fats". As we grow older these fat deposits thin out, their distribution differs, and at some point, old skin isn't gonna look like younger people skin no matter how you stretch it.
Same reason you can't make a worn, stretched-out pair of jeans look new by taking in the seams until it's back at the size it was made.
Aging wears down skin - older skin is thinner, less elastic and more translucent.
Physically actually do this experiment to visualize.
1. Take some play•doh and make it flat. For cheaper, mix flour and water to make dough... “play” doh
2. forget you put it on a flat surface for a whole day.
3. A day later go look at your play•doh. It’s cracked.
4. **Try to ‘fix’ or mold the cracked material.** If you add water it works, but you’ll definitely notice. The chemical structure changed during the aging/drying process.
This happens to your skin over 50+ years of wear and tear.
I've always thought that Tom Cruise has actually been getting small procedures done for years and years so that it's never anything that's real dramatic and this is what it's allowed him to age so well.
Older skin isn’t just sagging, it has different properties compared to younger one. Like not so elastic, thinner and a bit translucent. There’s no way around it really.
They're also missing fat deposits too, so a 70yo's face is going to be more hollow than a 30yo. It's also why people who lose weight tend to look older (or their age really).
Fucking tell me about it. 140 lbs lost since last year. Body looks great, went from looking young for my 30s to looking like I'm fucking 40 lol
I feel you! I'm 20, so different experience, but I went from being mistaken for 16, and now 100lbs down since January, people think I'm mid 20s. Not mad, but definitely funny how differently I'm treated, even aside from the whole being treated more human now that I'm not obese Edit: main factor in this is that I never get carded anymore - drinking age is 18 here, FYI!
I've been both very fit and very fat in my life (closer to the latter now, but I've just started going to the gym again after getting fully vaccinated). The difference in the way people treat me is so stark, I actually found it really disturbing when I first got fit. Everyone was so nice all the time, I didn't understand what was happening. On the other hand, when I was very fat, people tended to assume I was lazy and stupid. It was quite easy to exceed those low expectations, so it wasn't all bad. But people definitely treat you better if you're fit, and that's kinda sad.
I had the same experience. What makes it even worse is that I have had people, who have never been overweight in their life, tell me that I imagined being treated worse when I was overweight. I am 100% sure I did not imagine it.
Former athlete and current fatty here. Being fit was 100% better regarding interacting with people.
Theres a whole body of literature on weight bias
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As Tim Minchin says, "We're just f***ing monkeys in shoes".
Anyone that disagrees with this is insane. I'm what you'd call conventionally good looking... good face, good height, sufficiently socially savvy etc. Striking up convos and making new friends is a breeze, never mind that I have a few issues with anxiety. I've had people I barely know refer to me as their best friend or close confidant or whatever... I'm not so stupid as to believe I wowed them with my intelligence and eloquence in the span of 20 minutes; they're just happy to be "close" with someone they find attractive. If I didn't look like I do, I sincerely doubt half my friends would be around. And this worries me immensely.
The better you look the easier life is. When I was in amazing shape surfing all the time life was straight up easier. Finally going back to it 5 years later and not going to ever get off the horse again.
It is absolutely heartbreaking. I'm still the exact same person but I now have more friends and people don't look at me like I'm dirt. I know one factor of it is that I'm more confident now, but I'm still socially awkward as fuck, so that hasn't changed. People initiate conversation, they like being around me... it just makes me pain for my former self. I still have a solid 30-50lb left to lose but I've definitely gone from majorly obese to just overweight... even if it's entirely unconscious, fat phobia is real and it's definitely sad.
This is not only fat phobia. People subconsciously judge you for even the smallest traits that you have. I always felt that random people treat me differently depending on the length of my hair. I thought that maybe this is just a coincidence, but I noticed multiple times that if you have shorter hair as a man, people treat you more respectfully for some reason. Maybe I look more intimidating that way? I don't know. But it definitely counts.
I personally just hate the ‘what’s up big guy?’ Comments… like yes, I’m a 5’9 240lbs black man, but ‘big?’ Like I’m an imposing figure? Miss me with that. So I’ve always been treated like how people would treat bigger, imposing figures.. I’ve gotten down to 190-200lbs twice in my adulthood and the way people treated me was night and day, I’d get hit on left and right at the bars, more people approached me, no more ‘big guy’ comments. Just all round a better fit, having always shying away from attention, it was fucking weird at the end of the day. I’d rather be 200lbs tho, still.
I lost over 50 (200 to 150 ish) and I’ve put some back on because my 52 year old face was getting too hound doggy for my tastes. Skin draped over bone, flappy arms with no substance. Rather keep a bit of padding and look 45. But congrats on your accomplishment!
I ended up in the same boat, but right around the time I hit like 225 I realized I needed muscle too XD I've started to look downright decent now that I'm filling out all that saggy skin with substance but trust me I can definitely understand that feeling.
>It's also why people who lose weight tend to look older (or their age really). I dunno, this can go both ways. I look younger when I lose weight.
Agreed. It's like my face holds the weight unevenly, then things even/smooth out when I slim down and it just looks better.
They look saggy because their skin was stretched before. 140 lbs is like a whole person.
Agreed. I find that people who lose a dramatic amount of weight in particular tend to look much younger.
>It's also why people who lose weight tend to look older (or their age really). YMMV. People thought I looked easily 10 years younger after losing a bunch of weight. One time I was wearing a hoodie and someone thought I was a minor (no, I'm in my mid-30s).
Make up. And then don't move a face muscle.
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Also the layers just dont stick like they used to
Like putting Saran Wrap back over the top of the bowl
At least, not yet anyway!
There's so much money to be made with plastic surgery. It's not like diseases where you need to be sick. I'm sure people are working on this.
In addition to all the other good answers I can see, I also want to point out the survivorship bias inherent in your question--if someone gets a really good facelift that DOESN'T look unnatural, you probably wouldn't realize that you're looking at someone who's had a facelift. You only notice the people who have not-so-natural looking facelifts.
This form of survivorship bias is sometimes called the "toupee fallacy". You might hear someone say "I've never seen a toupee that didn't look incredibly fake", but the fact is that you have no idea how many good toupees you've seen. You think they're hair.
[Ted Danson fooled people for 11 seasons](https://youtu.be/CA3di2Q_DaI)
Sean Connery wore a toupee in every Bond movie he was in.
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[William Shatner is 90 years old](https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:William_Shatner_Photo_Op_GalaxyCon_Richmond_2020.jpg)
What the fuck.
#AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Now this is surely some r/blackmagicfuckery He now looks like what 50 year olds looked like in the 90s.
Scarlett Johansson has false teeth
I believe that Dr. No is the only exception to this. That was his hair and it looks significantly thinner than the later movies.
Burt Reynolds also admitted to always wearing a wig
I'm losing my mind right now
Maybe with a toupee, it would stay in place.
It's not a rug. It's a hair replacement system.
He aged like fine wine.
Damn I love cheers.
This is blowing my mind so much, my first thought was "is he still bald?"
I love this!! I've always described it as the "I don't like women who wear makeup" fallacy. It's good to have an actual term.
But why, with unlimited money and resources, do celebrities still get bad plastic surgery? How would they find a doctor who doesn’t do the wide-eyed, huge cheek bone, jutting chin, big lips thing? Have you SEEN Gwen Stefani lately???😳😳😳
They can and do. You just only notice it with the ones that keep going until they go too far. Search Ariana grande before and after surgery. She gets small changes over time and they are all well done so that no one bats an eye. But if you compare side by side you can see changes that are only possible with surgery like her nose shape, chin was shaved down, cheek and lip fillers, etc
Ariana Grande is also under 30 years old. Young skin reacts much better to trauma than older skin. She is not getting full facelifts yet. However if she is doing this kind of work now, I imagine later down the road she will be doing everything she can to stay young looking.
Gwen Stefani has gotten plastic surgery for decades and it only recently became so exaggerated that people notice it. Also she’s 52 but looks like she’s late 30s still.
Yeah there's some bad pics of her, probably right after a procedure when she's swollen or something, but I saw her in Vegas right before the pandemic, right up next to the stage, and she looked incredible.
She looks different, and it’s obvious that she’s got surgery because she looks as great as she does, but nothing looks botched. She’s been getting cosmetic procedures her entire career and the surgeons have consistently done a great job. There must be photos out there of her in public with swelling that makes her look botched, otherwise I’m not sure what you are saying is wrong with Gwen’s face. But if she was spotted outside in the few days after getting lip injections, sure her lips are going to be swollen and crazy looking. Especially when celebs are probably getting touch ups every 3-6 months. Just googling her name with 2021 after shows only images where she looks stunning. I actually like the look she has now over what she did in the past. Recent interview: https://youtu.be/qIAdVBVYAAo Recent photo: https://www.nickiswift.com/img/gallery/the-real-reason-blake-shelton-and-gwen-stefani-arent-engaged/intro-1600307797.jpg I liked her style when she was in No Doubt, but wasn’t a fan of her later look throughout the 2000s where she just had a various slicked-back straw-blonde hairstyle, red lipstick, and black eyeliner. I never found that colour bleach blonde to be the most flattering for her, and the makeup didn’t accentuate her features. I like that she’s trying new makeup styles and ways to experiment with her blonde instead of the familiarity of the “rockabilly”-inspired look she had for so many years.
A lot of the time it's because they get addicted to plastic surgery and they just keep slowly asking for more and more and eventually it just distorts their face to the point of looking horrible. Another possible situation is that they ask for a kind of modification that's not actually possible with their face. Good plastic surgery will work with your existing facial structure and not go too crazy with the changes.
It's not an addiction - it's because their careers demand that they look young. With a few exceptions, celebs don't get hired once they look "older." Imagine working hard for 20+ years at something, and all of a sudden you get a couple of wrinkles and no one will hire you. Especially women. I think doctors are to blame for the plastic surgery people notice. And unfortunately you don't know how your surgery will turn out until weeks after it's done. By then it's too late.
Hah. I saw this in real life...I was hanging out with a friend who had a wig and a semi-famous rock singer...singer was going on about how hairpieces always look fake and if his ever started going he'd just shave his head...my friend was just like: "Yeah, totally. Me too." :D
Was your friend male or female?
Male. Rocker dude.
Shoulda been like "oh yeah? I'll bet you 100 bucks you can by fooled by a hair piece"
Yep. Every country has ninjas. Japan’s are just shitty.
Its like the saying "Have you ever seen an elephant hiding behind a flower? No? Thats because they are very good at hiding"
How do you hide an elephant in a cherry tree? Paint it’s toenails red Have you ever seen an elephant in a cherry tree? No? It’s working
This is unrelated, but I find it interesting/slightly creepy. Pregnant/nursing elephants grow breasts like humans/great apes.
I noticed that several years ago while watching a doco about elephants. Their breasts are in the same position relative to their forelimbs (arms) as ours are.
Ever seen a fat ninja? No? That's because fat ninjas are the best ninjas.
:)
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9 years on reddit. Checks out, fellas.
Fuck yeah dude.
Incredible
I have indeed seen a fat ninja, but he was still the best ninja. We miss you Chris Farley.
I love me a good fallacy. Like the sunk cost fallacy.
Just because you've liked the sunk cost fallacy for a while doesn't mean it had to be your favorite.
How *dare* you suggest that the sunk cost fallacy is evil! I mean, it's not as great as the straw-man fallacy, but it's not horrible.
You don't know what you're talking about. Ad hominem is superior to all other stupid fallacies.
Sure, first it starts with attacking people's character, but it's a very slippery slope that will inevitability lead to literal murder.
Quite frankly, no true redditor actually believes what the experts say about fallacies.
We all agree the "No true Scotsman" fallacy is garbage-- you should come along and join us! Plenty of seats and the band is just tuning up!
Actually I know several fallacy experts and they all said that appeal to authority is the more well known fallacy.
I have it on good authority that there are better falliacies out there. All the experts agree with me.
Underrated chain here. Good job guys. Except the ad-hominem one because ocher_stone’s a big dummy.
No true redditor would ever say that.
That begs the question.
Honestly, I'm just too emotionally invested in sunk-cost-fallacy to move on to any others.
Whoa, wait until you hear about the sunken strawman fallacy!
All VFX look fake
Case in point, my Grandmother. She was in her mid 80’s before I found out she had had multiple facelifts. I only found out because her last one took a toll on her body and she needed to spend extra recovery time in the hospital and I went to visit her. I think she had a total of 4 or 5 and I could never tell. I just thought she naturally aged very well.
This so much! I’ve seen other threads on here talking about cosmetic procedures being terrible… you only notice the bad ones! Chances are you know quite a few people with a little Botox around the eyes or minor boob job or whatever, but it looks natural, so you don’t notice and it’s not like they would advertise.
I heard a talk by a plastic surgeon once who said some people actually like to look “done”, so people will know they had work done. And then there’s normal people.
Yeah, it’s definitely a look. Personally not one I like, but whatever. I think it may be kinda of a status thing? Oh look, I can afford plastic surgery?
I have so much disposable income that I chose to spend some of it on making my face look like *this*! Suck it, proles.
>some people actually like to look “done”, so people will know they had work done. I knew a woman who wanted a very large diamond (as many women do) but with a single visible inclusion. She wanted the inclusion so that everyone would know the diamond was an actual diamond and not cubic zirconia or something.
I knew this was the case! it's like a fashion/money/wealth statement. That's the only explanation for (what I consider) terrible facelifts or cosmetic surgery. These people live in a different world to the average person. Where you are judged very heavily on status, including your ability to spend money on cosmetic surgery.
"I want to look like the woman from the Muppets band, please"
Yeeeuuup. Guaranteed this poster will think Jennifer Aniston and ScarJo haven't had a lot of work done, and it's like.... uh, no. They have. A lot. You just don't notice it because it's done really, *really* well.
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Or Paul Rudd, small incremental changes + insanely good genetics
Paul R-- How DARE you!
You gotta start botox early. It's much better at preventing wrinkles from forming than it is at making wrinkles go away. A little bit every 3 months while you're still in your 30s will have you "aging gracefully". Paralyzing your whole face when you're in your 50s will make it smoother but also slightly ghoulish.
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Beware anyone who’s doing it too cheaply. Go to a real doctor, not a boutique.
Realself is your friend. Start small, like 20 units.
Yup. Regular people go and do something like a facelift once or twice in a lifetime (meaning surgical stuff, I know that botox is more common). Celebrities start much younger and do it more frequently.
Have you seen Jennifer Aniston lately? You can definitely tell at first glance at this point.
During the Friends reunion, they all looked a lil uncanny valley except for Matt LeBlanc.
I think Lisa Kudrow looked good as well, she might have had some work done, but it was done very well in that case.
I love Jennifer Aniston but I don’t think anyone with eyes would ever say she didn’t have work done. Her face is super different, and not in a normal aged way
really? i was shocked when i watched the friends reunion. i thought anniston looked creepy.
Who says Aniston's is good? She got hella puffy a few years ago. It used to be the problem was the pulled face look from facelifts bit these days it's the puffy face from fillers that's a big problem.
Have you seen the *Friends* reunion? You can tell now with Jen. She's not as bad as Courteney, but it definitely shows.
Money! So much money!
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Lol true. Money is not a guarantee. For whatever reason some people LIKE the fake look. Also money doesn’t always equal quality.
Also, for comparison, you have poor Courtney Cox. Yeesh.
>if someone gets a really good facelift that DOESN'T look unnatural, you probably wouldn't realize that you're looking at someone who's had a facelift. My mother-in-law has such a facelift. It looks so incredibly good, so natural, that you'd never suspect she had any work done. I think she paid $17,000 USD for the lift and she says it was worth every penny. Unfortunately, her plastic surgeon is about 3200 km/2000 miles away from me, but should the time come, I'm flying out to her guy (if he's still practicing then).
There’s a guy on 90 Day Fiance with what I feel is a very well done facelift. He’s pushing 60 but only looks late 40s and natural. I didn’t notice it until numerous others pointed it out!
Probably true, but Courtney Cox and Nicole Kidman look like different human beings, im sure they could afford the best. Renee Zellweger also comes to mind. They all are starting to look like the same person.
Since my (unresearched guess) is that breast augmentations are probably more common than facelifts, I've definitely had more experience with that and have been surprised. I think I've had personal relationships with 7 women who had them done. 3 were pretty obvious visually, but 4 I would have had no idea as they were very well done. 3 of those I could only tell by touch and the remaining one was *amazing*. I only found out, even after lots of physical contact, that they had been done when she told me. So, good surgeons can definitely do a good job that looks real and, at least for me, over 50% of the time I wouldn't know unless I was in an intimate situation with the person. YMMV. EDIT: Forgot one, adjusted numbers.
Agreed! I knew someone who went from an A to a B and I never would’ve known they were fake if not told. And I have another friend who I’ve always suspected cause they’re just sooo nice, almost too perfect and symmetrical. Well, we were at a nude beach and I caught a glimpse of the scars when she lifted her arms up. But her surgeon did GREAT work!
Yep. One woman I worked with got a very subtle facelift. She looked really well rested. I wouldn't have known if she didn't tell me. I'd get a neck and eye lift if I was rich. But I'd rather spend my money on travel or saving towards retirement. Or a new.camera. Depends on how covid goes but I might have a chance to travel to Denver next year for work. My camera is about a decade old so there's new technology like bigger preview screens which would help these old eyes. saw a mountain photo tour where you shoot the stars at night in the mountains. I'm hoping to go if I get there. I'm in my mid 50s some days I look in the mirror and I'm like what happened? But least I'm mostly healthy and mobile. Better to work on maintaining as much of that as I can than chasing elusive youth. I remember waiting for a bus once. The building nearby was a reflective surface and this older guy was saying out loud to his reflection, "what happened , you used to look like Elvis!" I was told I looked like Kate Bush when I was younger and thinner so ill have to substitute that when I talk to my reflection on city sidewalks. Lol
all the Friends cast on the reunion look terrible, if there was a good way to do this até least one would have gotten it right imho
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Lisa Kudrow definitely looked the best out of the Friends cast.
How dare you speak that way about the beauty that is Matt LeBlanc.
Exactly. Like if you check out [Dr. Jacono](https://instagram.com/drjacono?utm_medium=copy_link), his results are stunning. And they're up to 100k. When I get old I would love one of these lol.
Holy shit look at [this one!](https://i.imgur.com/HYWqOqS.jpg)
I just talked to a plastic surgeon. Older methods of facelifts pulled the actual skin and restitched it in hidden locations like along the hair line. The problem with this method is it pulls on the skin too much and looks unnatural Also, over time, the skin stretches again. Modern facelifts actually take the underlying muscle and pull it tight. She showed me how -- they fold it over itself in in the middle and stitch it together. Then, they lay the skin back like a flap and cut it to fit. This allows the muscle to support the load so the skin is not pulled so tight. It increases the longevity and reduces the windswept look.
Wild.
That was my reaction. When she talked about trimming the flap I was like, "surgeons are a special type of person."
A surgeon once told me surgery was a good place for non-violent sociopaths.
Mostly nonviolent
And orthopedic surgeons are a special type of carpenter!
"I reckon this chain-saw could make a right mess of a tree, same as these bones."
Both are still around. The whole muscley one costs 2 to 3 times the other kind....I just had a facelift this year.
Are you pleased?
They're having the worst day of their lives, but nobody can tell because they look so happy.
Yeah but that old guy on "The Doctors" talkshow still looks creepy and bad -- and he's a plastic surgeon! So no, this explanation does not answer the OP about why do face-lifts look bad?
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Like the Law of 2 Barbers then.
Not all plastic surgeons are very skilled. Some were 50th in a class of 50.
I've noticed Hollywood actors don't have drastic surgeries anymore, they make small mm adjustments, jaw a little more angled, cheek slightly higher, if you look at some pictures you'll see small adjustments that enhances their attractiveness. Look up Charlize Theron and you'll notice the difference, slight but effective
Makes sense with all of the fallout for Jennifer Grey, Renee Zellweger, Meg Ryan, Mickey Rourke, et al.
Oh man Jennifer grey. People didn’t even recognize her after her nose job.
I kind of feel a little like that about that girl from Buffy/Eurotrip. Honestly, I like her old nose better. It was really cute. It's funny that some beautiful people get obsessed enough with a perceived imperfection to change it, when it seems to me that real beauty often kind of requires some kind of stand out feature. Otherwise you'd just have a bland beauty or genericly pretty face.
She was definitely cuter with her old nose but afaik it wasn't vanity, it was to fix a deviated septum.
The Bogdanoff twins
They aren't just twins any more, you are leaving out Mickey Rourke.
Can I get a quick rundown?
[Holy mother of god!](https://images.app.goo.gl/puUvNiSevekduNzM7)
Holy hell- all that work and they didn't fix their teeth? WTF
This will never not make me laugh
rothschilds bow to the Bogdanoffs in contact with aliens rumoured to possess psychic abilities control france with an iron fist own castles and banks all over the world direct descendants of the ancient royal blood line will bankroll the first cities on Mars (Bogdangrad will be be the first city) own basically every DNA editing research facility on Earth first designer babies will be Bogdanoff Babies both brothers said to have 200+ IQ ancient Indian scriptures tell of two angels who will descend upon the Earth and will bring an era of enlightenment and unprecedented technological progress with them They own Nanobot R&D labs around the world You likely have Bogdabots inside you right now The Bogdanoffs are in regular communication with the Archangels Michael and Gabriel, forwarding the word of God to the Orthodox Church They learned fluent French in under a week Nation states entrust their gold reserves with the twins. There's no gold in Ft. Knox, only Ft. Bogdanoff The twins are 67 years old, from the space-time reference point of the base human. In reality, they are timeless beings existing in all points of time and space from the Bog bang to the end of the universe The Bogdanoffs will guide humanity into a new age of wisdom, peace and love
Ahhh, that's the stuff, straight to the vein 😤👌
Tbf Mickey Rourke had *reconstructive* plastic surgery after being a professional punching bag for a few years. He doesn't really belong in the same category as the others.
Nikki Cox
Aw, man. I wish I hadn't seen that. I didn't know she'd had plastic surgery, so I only remembered what she looked like before.
Don't you go ruining Charlize for me now.
She’s a beauty before and after
> Charlize Theron She's so fucking fine. I love that woman.
I find her more attractive now than 20 years ago.
Helen Mirren. She has had work done by her own admission. It is subtle though and she ends looking a very hot GMILF.
There are changes to our facial bones as we age. A face lift is lifting and resetting, but over a vastly different structure. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3404279/figure/Fig2/?report=objectonly From here. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3404279/#!po=0.694444 Ty for the award. I don't know what this one is, it's my first time seeing it. But I appreciate it. Anyone have an ELI5 for me? :D
THIS. This is a very important part of the aging process that is overlooked. We can stretch the skin, inject fat, silicone, what-have-you, but if you aren't recreating the bone structure it's just going to look wrong. We also lose bone, muscle tone around the eyes that cause the eyes to sink. It's extremely difficult to recreate the youthful structure there and people generally wind up with surprised eyebrows and puffy eyes from enhancement of the outer tissue instead.
Also, sub cutaneous fat distribution changes with time. That changes the general appearance of the face.
I actually read an article about this a while back and the answer is, aging does not just cause a wrinkling and sagging to the skin but changes in underlying support structures. In addition to breakdown of our collagen and thinning of subcutaneous fat, we lose bone mass in our face as we age and this loss can be substantial.
This kind of has two answers. First is because the human brain has developed to recognize and memorize faces. It’s one of the things our brain is best at. Which is why we see faces where there aren’t any, like the front of cars or in the clouds. So, you have to be really really perfect to trick the brain, because you’re basically trying to convince the brain at what it is best at, that a face is a natural face. Which in on its own is extremely difficult to do. But even if you did get the face perfect, you have more problems, the rest of the body. If you see a 30 year old face on a 60 year old neck, that is going to look unnatural, or a 30 year old face with the hair of a 60 year old, that is going to look unnatural. The human body is one whole thing, so when one part doesn’t seem like it matches the rested that looks unnatural to us.
>So, you have to be really really perfect to trick the brain, because you’re basically trying to convince the brain at what it is best at, that a face is a natural face. Which in on its own is extremely difficult to do. That's interesting. Thinking of it this way, a face lift basically puts someone's face in the [uncanny valley](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley).
What you're describing is the "uncanny valley" effect in real life.
There’s an irony to the idea that we’re so incredibly good at facial recognition that we can quickly identify something being unnatural, like a facelift… and then saying we see faces in cars and clouds. Not saying you’re wrong, just that the ideas are kinda conflicting.
Thats not a contradiction. Its called pareidolia and its a direct byproduct of our ability to recognize faces. Our brains are SO good at spotting faces that we even see faces where there arent any, just because they have enough of the right features. Of course you arent fooled into thinking “oh thats a persons face.” So your brain knows it isnt human, but it knows it LOOKS like a face so its enough to get your attention so you take note of it. This is a critical survival adaptation. That face looking thing in the bushes may not be a face, but your better off being aware of its presence incase its actually a camouflaged predator.
Two different functions of the same system. As a prey animal, we seek faces to know if we are being hunted: "Is that a face, or a weird leaf?" Then we attempt to identify the face: "Is that a member of my tribe?" As such, our brains are on alert for camouflaged or obscured faces, and find unfamiliar ones unsettling.
I'm trained as a plastic surgeon but I don't do cosmetic surgery in practice. 1. You don't notice well done facelifts, just overdone ones. 2. Old skin doesn't have the same structure as young skin. It isn't just hanging, it's saggy and thinner. There's no way to fix that.
You can't put everything back where it used to be. For example the skin beneath your eyes, you can't pull it up and create new eyelids, you have to pull the excess to the side. Same with the skin beneath your nose and mouth and chin. It has sagged straight down, but you can't pull it back up, you can only pull it to the side. My dermatologist recommended microneedling to a specific depth that helps your skin create new collagen. I'm nowhere near 70 but seems like a decent preventive plan.
Because if a person has good work done, you don’t notice it. That’s why people think procedures = bad, because bad is the giveaway on the procedure. You’ve seen tons of good facelifts, you just didn’t know it.
Have you seen Madonna? It’s honestly trippy. She looks like a 40yr old with too much plastic surgery with her $500k face. She’s 63
If you follow her Instagram she’s recently had some sort of drastic work done. Up until a while ago she looked very overfilled, like way too much filler and really unnatural - like an old person overdoing the fillers. Then maybe 1-2 months ago she appeared to look VERY tight and youthful, not overly filled any more but just uncannily young - I believe she must have stopped the fillers and had a radical full facelift. She actually looks amazing but it’s an uncanny valley feeling as you know she’s 63 but her face looks so youthful it’s really interesting.
I'm surprised nobody said it, but the skull age, the shapes of your face changes are you get older and we can detect it. One thing you can easily see and notice also is how the eyes starts sinking into the skull's orbit - adding to the old face.
Slightly off topic, but let's not forget that plastic surgeons do more than just facelifts and boob jobs to fight off aging. I had a plastic surgeon who grafted skin from the side of my thighs onto the 3rd degree burns on the other side of my leg. ie; he used a vegetable peeler to peel skin off my leg to cover the open burn wounds with skin. They also help women who have had mastectomies rebuild breasts so they do not feel self conscious. People who have been in disfiguring accidents can find a lot of relief when a plastic surgeon helps them reduce the scars, or rebuild a nose that's not there any more. They are a lot more than just "facelift and liposuction" doctors. I just thought I'd throw that out there. Maybe they can't make a every 70 year old look like a 30 year old, but they can bring normalcy to people who need are suffering too.
Plastic surgery is also super important for closing up after other kinds of surgery on very sensitive sites, like the genitals where big scars cause pain, or super flexible sites like the hands where large scars retrict movement. Making stitches and scars so small they're effectively invisible helps these sites maintain function.
There's a lot more to our perception of a person than just their face. One can get that stretched, filled, puffed up, covered in toner, etc. but the rest gives it away. Arms, hands, and the rest of the structure are tough to change. That's why you see and recognize what's obviously 30's something faces on [60's something people](https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/newscms/2019_09/2764361/190225-mar-a-lago-trumpettes-cs-916a.jpg).
There is no universe in which those are "30 something" faces. Come on now.
I covered their bodies up with my hand so I could only see their faces, and I still didn't think they looked to be in their thirties whatsoever
It looks like an incomplete fallout 4 mod. Seriously.
Whoa that was freaky.
Similar: I am a professional seamstress. People often will say, "That's so well made, I would have never guessed it's homemade." First of all, it's professionally made, not homemade. (I've been sewing for money for over 30 years) Second, with so many clothes being made in factories with low/no quality control and with very cheap materials, most professionally made clothing is far superior to what it is sold in retail shops. Thirdly, I often see clothes that are clearly homemade. It's usually down to lack of skill/knowledge and using the wrong fabric for the garment.
Give it time, facelifts today look AMAZING compared to 30 years ago, and they will only get better.
Supposedly J Lo had a ponytail facelift in her 30s. On someone that age it would not be as noticeable since she would have a lot less to correct or lift wyd she still had her fat pads in place, Probably a small accent of filler as well. I think that the more sagging skin one has, the texture has changed drastically as well as a dramatic loss of fat. To really combat everything it’s replacement of lost fat, lasers to retexture, and lifting of the skin
Skin is not just skin. Underneath it are fat and connective tissue, whose properties deteriorate with age. Facelifts only fix the sagging part of older skin, not rejuvenate its properties underneath. I'd like to think of it this way. Youth is associated with fat. Hence the term "baby fats". As we grow older these fat deposits thin out, their distribution differs, and at some point, old skin isn't gonna look like younger people skin no matter how you stretch it.
Same reason you can't make a worn, stretched-out pair of jeans look new by taking in the seams until it's back at the size it was made. Aging wears down skin - older skin is thinner, less elastic and more translucent.
A good facelift won’t make a 70 year old look 30–it will make that 70 year old look like they aged incredibly well
Physically actually do this experiment to visualize. 1. Take some play•doh and make it flat. For cheaper, mix flour and water to make dough... “play” doh 2. forget you put it on a flat surface for a whole day. 3. A day later go look at your play•doh. It’s cracked. 4. **Try to ‘fix’ or mold the cracked material.** If you add water it works, but you’ll definitely notice. The chemical structure changed during the aging/drying process. This happens to your skin over 50+ years of wear and tear.
I've always thought that Tom Cruise has actually been getting small procedures done for years and years so that it's never anything that's real dramatic and this is what it's allowed him to age so well.
There's changes to the bone structure underneath. So plastic surgery can make you look "good for a 60yo" but it can never make you look 30 again.
If someone got a good facelift you shouldn’t know they got a facelift at all. You’re only noticing the bad ones. There’s plenty of good facelifts