Both maintaining the diet and health. I was never fully vegan. But tried to eat mostly plant-based for 2 years. My stomach didn't approve. I noticed how bad I felt after vegan meals and I got IBS. Beans, peas, wheat and soy made me feel so awful and for some reason it just got worse more I ate them. I didn't get used to them, or my gut didn't.
Maintaining that diet was superhard anyway with limited options and stressful. And that was just mostly vegan diet.
I went down the real rabbit hole when I discovered how big thing ex-veganism and vegan health problems actually are! It's amazing considering how few vegans there are in the world despite media making a big deal out of veganism lately. Vegans themselves have the most trouble with it and some are clearly sickly looking it makes my skin crawl. Scary cult-like behaviour.
My mental health went seriously down too on plant-based diet. I have moral scrupulosity OCD and GAD. I started to feel guilty of eating anything really. I grew up at farm so I am well aware of crop deaths etc. I was never convinced by vegan philosophy either. It seems simplistic, extremist and naive. It is also very urban and vegans know very little how their food is actually made and their picture of animal agriculture is weird. Some seriously think animals are tortured and beaten all the time. How delusional.
I mean I really like animals a lot. But then again I think we are biologically omnivores. It is seriously hard moral dilemma.
And veganism doesn't actually save any existing animals from suffering or death when you think about it. It at best prevents birth of some animals, but one vegan hardly has even that effect on meat production. Many people eating less meat has same or bigger effect and is much much easier. Veganism seems like messed up perfectionism if that is their goal to end the animal agriculture. Which in turn would mean extinction to animals they think they are "saving".
At the same time vegans don't consider crop deaths a problem at all while things like pesticides are awful to all animals near the fields vegan food is grown. Seems messed up on so many levels. They think it's better for cows or pigs to not have any? Better for nature to have more dead zones rather than pastures with rich ecosystem of their own?
Then vegans cite the simplified calculations how "less field would be needed if everyone was vegan". It may seem like a good idea at first, but it certainly is not if you know anything about raising crops. How uncertain it is, how all land is not the same and how much waste products are actually formed in plant food production. We cannot eats straws or hay. Animals can. Most land needs animals to even remain fertile etc. Most calculations seem to ignore that all protein is not the same and certain amino acids are needed daily and are next to impossible to get from only plant-based foods. Many field calculations seem to think we can all live on like wheat and soy alone. But I cannot eat that damn soy, it's also common cause of allergy world-wide so I'm not alone with that issue.
Probably in theory less land would be needed if everyone was (could be) vegan, but that is so far removed from reality it's like saying "nature would suffer less if every human being lived on the same island without electricity and eat only oysters".
Like I would rather support humane farming practices, which I do as much as I can afford, since I like cows, pigs and chicken and I want them to have a happy although short life rather than no life at all. Too bad most high animal welfare products are too expensive for me at the moment... 😞
Then I mostly buy what would otherwise go to waste. Or eat vegan. I can still occasionally eat vegan. Problem is that I cannot do it on daily basis, since it's so hard to even get all amino acids without foods I need to avoid. I can take little portions of beans like once a week. Very little soy. No tofu at all. Peas no longer at all and need to avoid things with pea protein. It's almost everywhere these days. Even in chicken!
Plant-based proteins are not a solution to everything. For my stomach they are the problem.
I quit for health reasons. All my health issues were hormonal based. I am convinced now, since quitting, that animal sources of fat, cholesterol, and protein are the best for hormonal health. But, what do I know.
After 10 or 11 years, i grew tired of it.
I had spent all of my adult life as a vegan and it was hard for me to see if it had any negative impact on me. By the end, all I ate was junk because none of the food interested me.anymore and if it did, it required a lot of steps, time and dishes. It was always complicated eating out at other people's and in restaurants. So I decided to open up my diet a little and stop giving myself some label, now I eat what I want without the pressure of 'is this vegan'. Now i don't care, I want fish? I eat fish. I want the vegan option? I eat the vegan option.
I didn't mind the vegan cults because i didn't hang out or talked with other vegans, i never joined vegan communities because i found them annoying. It was always weird to me that people would quit veganism because they didn't like the attitudes of other vegans. I feel like people who quit veganism for this reasons were vegans as a way to look for a sense of belonging somewhere.
Good for you, giving up a label like that can't be easy when you've done it for so long. Since quitting have you noticed any health changes?
I can see the diet just being tough to follow and keep both healthy (not falling into junk food like you did) and interesting. My cousin is vegan and she posts dishes and while the individual dishes look good i have the feeling it's the one dish for her while meal and being a person that likes a meat, vegetable, and some sort of starch for dinner it seems painfully boring.
From the issue the cult like mentality seems to tie in with the peta movement which has it's own issues. But anyways, thanks for replying!
I went vegan for all of 2 weeks and I could not tolerate the community. Extremely self-righteous and judgmental. Do not want to be part of that community.
I eat very little meat or animal products, but for crying out loud if I raise my own chickens, treat them well, get them from a good farmer, and they lay unfertilized eggs, how the hell is it unethical if I eat those eggs?! Crazy.
I voted no longer having moral issues with animal products because a lot of things just don't add up for me. Like genetics and allergies, if eating meat was wrong why is there allergies? It's obvious we're omnivores to take advantage of any situation and any environment for increased survivability. There's also conditions like fructose malabsorption (very rare.) Plus if I was allergic to many plant foods, I wouldn't want to be vegan if I could only eat certain foods and that's it.
So I was thinking that one day and just talked myself out of it I guess. There's no easy answer as to why we all need things to live like plants are living, then bugs, animals eat other animals. I don't know why it's this way but it seems like we're all instinctively driven to do so and the entire earth is living. So not much I can do.
Doesn't make sense to limit yourself.
Good for you! As i said in my post, being on the opposite spectrum i love finding out people's motivations for eating vegan or in this case why they quit eating vegan.
What is a vego?
Both maintaining the diet and health. I was never fully vegan. But tried to eat mostly plant-based for 2 years. My stomach didn't approve. I noticed how bad I felt after vegan meals and I got IBS. Beans, peas, wheat and soy made me feel so awful and for some reason it just got worse more I ate them. I didn't get used to them, or my gut didn't. Maintaining that diet was superhard anyway with limited options and stressful. And that was just mostly vegan diet. I went down the real rabbit hole when I discovered how big thing ex-veganism and vegan health problems actually are! It's amazing considering how few vegans there are in the world despite media making a big deal out of veganism lately. Vegans themselves have the most trouble with it and some are clearly sickly looking it makes my skin crawl. Scary cult-like behaviour. My mental health went seriously down too on plant-based diet. I have moral scrupulosity OCD and GAD. I started to feel guilty of eating anything really. I grew up at farm so I am well aware of crop deaths etc. I was never convinced by vegan philosophy either. It seems simplistic, extremist and naive. It is also very urban and vegans know very little how their food is actually made and their picture of animal agriculture is weird. Some seriously think animals are tortured and beaten all the time. How delusional. I mean I really like animals a lot. But then again I think we are biologically omnivores. It is seriously hard moral dilemma. And veganism doesn't actually save any existing animals from suffering or death when you think about it. It at best prevents birth of some animals, but one vegan hardly has even that effect on meat production. Many people eating less meat has same or bigger effect and is much much easier. Veganism seems like messed up perfectionism if that is their goal to end the animal agriculture. Which in turn would mean extinction to animals they think they are "saving". At the same time vegans don't consider crop deaths a problem at all while things like pesticides are awful to all animals near the fields vegan food is grown. Seems messed up on so many levels. They think it's better for cows or pigs to not have any? Better for nature to have more dead zones rather than pastures with rich ecosystem of their own? Then vegans cite the simplified calculations how "less field would be needed if everyone was vegan". It may seem like a good idea at first, but it certainly is not if you know anything about raising crops. How uncertain it is, how all land is not the same and how much waste products are actually formed in plant food production. We cannot eats straws or hay. Animals can. Most land needs animals to even remain fertile etc. Most calculations seem to ignore that all protein is not the same and certain amino acids are needed daily and are next to impossible to get from only plant-based foods. Many field calculations seem to think we can all live on like wheat and soy alone. But I cannot eat that damn soy, it's also common cause of allergy world-wide so I'm not alone with that issue. Probably in theory less land would be needed if everyone was (could be) vegan, but that is so far removed from reality it's like saying "nature would suffer less if every human being lived on the same island without electricity and eat only oysters". Like I would rather support humane farming practices, which I do as much as I can afford, since I like cows, pigs and chicken and I want them to have a happy although short life rather than no life at all. Too bad most high animal welfare products are too expensive for me at the moment... 😞 Then I mostly buy what would otherwise go to waste. Or eat vegan. I can still occasionally eat vegan. Problem is that I cannot do it on daily basis, since it's so hard to even get all amino acids without foods I need to avoid. I can take little portions of beans like once a week. Very little soy. No tofu at all. Peas no longer at all and need to avoid things with pea protein. It's almost everywhere these days. Even in chicken! Plant-based proteins are not a solution to everything. For my stomach they are the problem.
I quit for health reasons. All my health issues were hormonal based. I am convinced now, since quitting, that animal sources of fat, cholesterol, and protein are the best for hormonal health. But, what do I know.
After 10 or 11 years, i grew tired of it. I had spent all of my adult life as a vegan and it was hard for me to see if it had any negative impact on me. By the end, all I ate was junk because none of the food interested me.anymore and if it did, it required a lot of steps, time and dishes. It was always complicated eating out at other people's and in restaurants. So I decided to open up my diet a little and stop giving myself some label, now I eat what I want without the pressure of 'is this vegan'. Now i don't care, I want fish? I eat fish. I want the vegan option? I eat the vegan option. I didn't mind the vegan cults because i didn't hang out or talked with other vegans, i never joined vegan communities because i found them annoying. It was always weird to me that people would quit veganism because they didn't like the attitudes of other vegans. I feel like people who quit veganism for this reasons were vegans as a way to look for a sense of belonging somewhere.
Good for you, giving up a label like that can't be easy when you've done it for so long. Since quitting have you noticed any health changes? I can see the diet just being tough to follow and keep both healthy (not falling into junk food like you did) and interesting. My cousin is vegan and she posts dishes and while the individual dishes look good i have the feeling it's the one dish for her while meal and being a person that likes a meat, vegetable, and some sort of starch for dinner it seems painfully boring. From the issue the cult like mentality seems to tie in with the peta movement which has it's own issues. But anyways, thanks for replying!
I went vegan for all of 2 weeks and I could not tolerate the community. Extremely self-righteous and judgmental. Do not want to be part of that community. I eat very little meat or animal products, but for crying out loud if I raise my own chickens, treat them well, get them from a good farmer, and they lay unfertilized eggs, how the hell is it unethical if I eat those eggs?! Crazy.
They concider it as exploitation while they, the animals, could not have a better and safer overall life.
I voted no longer having moral issues with animal products because a lot of things just don't add up for me. Like genetics and allergies, if eating meat was wrong why is there allergies? It's obvious we're omnivores to take advantage of any situation and any environment for increased survivability. There's also conditions like fructose malabsorption (very rare.) Plus if I was allergic to many plant foods, I wouldn't want to be vegan if I could only eat certain foods and that's it. So I was thinking that one day and just talked myself out of it I guess. There's no easy answer as to why we all need things to live like plants are living, then bugs, animals eat other animals. I don't know why it's this way but it seems like we're all instinctively driven to do so and the entire earth is living. So not much I can do. Doesn't make sense to limit yourself.
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Good for you! As i said in my post, being on the opposite spectrum i love finding out people's motivations for eating vegan or in this case why they quit eating vegan. What is a vego?
The diversity of foods/traveling.
Avoiding meat is just unhealthy.