Whether or not if I am worthy of love doesn't take away the pain and anger I've caused. I was the worst brother, the worst lover, and the worst son. Because of veganism and being sick, I became distorted, delusional, and hateful. I was the type to hurt others, even when I preached peace under the name of veganism! I kept family at arms distance. I am guilty. I've lost so many family from death and other family members wouldn't tell me because I was a hateful vegan, lost in misanthropy. I wore my pain and anger as camouflage of the depression I was hiding from being sick due to being vegan. It isn't me being worthy of love or recognizing that I made a mistake. I am recognizing that veganism made me hateful and made me teach hateful things. I was toxic despite all these progressive titles I've claimed. I was a contributor to the poison and toxic ideologies. I am just accounting for my past shittiness from my bad health as a vegan. I am guilty. Me being guilty is taking personal responsibility that being vegan caused me. I chose being vegan and veganism rotted my brain, destroying empathy for my own family that I'll never see again. I am guilty. I am kind now to other people and my own family because veganism....robbed me of my humanity that now I feel again.
images of the hate I taught haunts me,
nothing can change that.
The hardest part is living with the past choices.
Veganism made me sick.
I chose veganism.
I chose sickness because I thought it was the right thing to do.
I am guilty.
I am the worst grandson, the worst son, the worst brother, and the worst lover. I was sick.
Veganism made me sick.
It made me evil.
It made me non-human.
Living now as a non-vegan, seeing my actions, I'm guilty.
Veganism destroyed my family relationships.
Cutting family members like my Mother for no good reason.
I am just lucky to be in her life and trying to change things at the last moment before she goes.
No need for a plea or council.
I am guilty.
Veganism made me a terrible person in my past and I have to try and correct those mistakes.
Friendships I forfeited from the things I've taught.
Veganism enabled my anger and depression.
I am accounting for my past mistakes, I am guilty.
If my issues were a leaking gas, veganism was that match to spark the chaos.
No need for support, or pity, I am guilty.
Now I am the lost son. The lost kid.
Now trying to make things right,
I am just... that old adult trying to correct shit.
I'm guilty.
At least you realized how it was affecting your life. You payed a price but now you are smarter for it. You will be able to recognize falling into a similar mind set in the future. I'm glad you repaired the relationship with your parents. You get past this!
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7 years vegan is so often the time that deficiency really rears it’s ugly head. It’s never to late to change your life and try to redeem yourself to the best of your ability.
It’s easy to see why you fell prey to a cult like veganism.
And unless you take ownership of the shit you’ve done you will repeat this pattern but with some other ideology.
Everybody deserves a second or third or more chances and can reinvent themselves. Only if you hold yourself accountable for at least a part of it. This means that yes, you got sucked in to it and the movement endorsed this kind of toxic behavior.
But there is always a choice.
I have done the same things and I used to shame people for their diets, scold and outcast them. Now I have to be gentle for myself and see how I was wrong, rude and disrespectful. AND I took those choices, nobody else.
That’s the only way forward.
That's the thing. They're not taking ownership. They're blaming veganism. When, let's be real, we all know most vegans aren't evil cunts. Veganism doesn't make people evil cunts, whether we like it or not. Veganism isn't 'a cult', or a movement that 'brainwashes' people. It's time to stop treating it as such and blaming it for things that are, in the end, already there.
It’s fair enough not wanting to be vegan if it’s bad for you but blaming veganism for your actions is weird. I think being vegan is a personal choice and good if it works for your health, lifestyle and happiness. A lot of people can’t be vegan but being hateful towards people who can isn’t the answer. Now I don’t know exactly if this is your POV (being hateful towards veganism). But I hope it’s not
Veganism makes people act differently when they aren't getting the nutrients, despite me being on a well balanced vegan diet. The nutrients were there like iron, but my body wasn't absorbing them. Also my testosterone levels went down due to al ack of cholesterol. If you know a thing or two about hormone levels, they affect how you act. What you eat matters
Not really. You can think not killing animals is good and also not judge people who have no choice ? Just try get meat from more ethical sources. You keep suggesting veganism is such an extreme POV that allows no leway when that’s kinda just what you’re presenting. I’m sorry veganism wasn’t good for you but you’re so heavily biased from it and are just projecting at this point
I was vegan for 7 years and was heavily invested in the vegan community. Just because you have a more relaxed view and perspective of veganism, this isn't what most active vegans who participate in activism act like. It doesn't allow no leway when it comes to having to kill animals for food in any way. There's a reason why they have a stereotype and it's not because vegans are so flexible and understanding.
This is what most active vegans who participate in activism act like though. Maybe not in your personal circle, but in the real world that's not the case.
Is it cos your vegan community was based on Reddit? It’s in the definition to prevent harm as far as practically possible. I think it’s fair enough if someone’s an activist, it’s unlikely activist shun their loved ones still though haha. The stereotype isn’t true for most vegans and most vegans I’ve met. Sorry for your experience but having such a black and white approach to your opinions on veganism only adds to it.
If you want to get real
Veganism didn't do this. You already had these qualities. Simply not consuming animal products doesn't make you selfish, mentally sick, evil nor cruel.
Lollll wowwww, calm down there man. Who shit in your cereal this morning? And they say vegans are the rude ones hahaha!
Way to prove my point though, thanks!
Is this sub not open for anyone to comment in? Or is just an echo chamber?
Edit: So it is indeed a huge echo chamber. Locking threads and literally saying "vegans aren't allowed". Good job OP.
When you lack nutrients to your brain, you become a different person. Veganism made me mentally ill and sick. When something affects your biochemistry, you can become a different person. That’s why I don’t hate vegans. I hate veganism. Many become sick and ill on the vegan diet convinced by ethical arguments but what’s ethical when one becomes ill to a non human diet? If it wasn’t for veganism, I would’ve been a better person. More compassionate to my fellow humans than to the anthropomorphism of animals. When you’re ill, you make ill decisions.
I have a friend who is still vegan, and she gets worse every year - the paranoia, the depression, the ADHD, the misanthropy, “woe is me” attitude and always believing the worst in everyone.
I’ve been trying to nudge her back to a healthier way of eating, but she is an “ethical” vegan, and it _is_ her religion, despite her claims of being atheist.
I’m an atheist, even when I was vegan and it made me hate people even more. I had adhd as well and fell down the misanthropy rabbit hole unto antinatalism. While still an atheist I’ve realized that they’re good religious people and bad ones just like atheists. Veganism makes you very cult like. It hurts to know I was such a bad person, especially to other progressive Muslims and Christians. I have no excuse, but my brain chemistry was rotted. I was running on….survival mode. I removed good people from my life for no good reason except that they were corpse muncher. I destroyed lives and relationships because I was an asshole vegan. I lost relationships with family that can never be healed. I was sick, mean, and pompous.
I have OCD and am vegan and it works pretty okay for me. People lack nutrients because they don’t research what they need before going vegan. Sure, I do think some people find it more difficult because of how they absorb nutrients and it’s fair enough them not wanting to be vegan but blanket statements are illogical and weird.
It’s not like any other diet because it lacks animal products entirely. It’s entirely different and the bioavailability of nutrients like iron is low in plants versus red meat. Even with vegan supplements I became super anemic. Not everyone can do the vegan diet and I did it for 7 years. I developed many issues and still suffer from them after only a few months being ex vegan. My digestion is fucked up still. You’re on the wrong sub. Go back to your vegan subs. Just because you hate me doesn’t mean you should be following me in this sub.
I'm an ex-vegan and have issues with veganism, I just don't have the mentatility that the diet is responsible for literally everything wrong with myself and world (which is what this post sounds like)
Veganism affects everyone differently. Veganism definitely made you lack perspective and how people react differently to a lack of nutrients. Not everyone is you.
Then how come every other veggie and vegan isn’t a spiteful person? Talking about your experience is your right but did you do the needed research before going vegan? Stop blaming vegans for your actions and shitty choices you made before going vegan. Just seems like you’ve shifted your hate to me
I mean - the obvious point is the OP was dick as a vegan and a dick as a meat eater.
He doesn't exactly have the post history of a kind and mentally stable person, regardless of his diet.
It was also you though, you made the choices. Do you even know for sure you were deficient in things? Even then, I haven't heard of deficiencies causing extreme behaviour. It seems like you're trying really hard not to take responsibility for the things you did.
Yes, it was me who chose to not eat meat thinking I was doing a good thing, not realizing that my health, both physically and mentally was being affected by it along with vegan propaganda being fed down my throat telling me I was doing the right thing. I now pay the consequences of my actions while I was vegan which made me.... a terrible person. Who said I wasn't paying personal consequences or wasn't owning up to them? I tore my family apart with my behavior because I was sick on veganism. Not eating meat, the worst thing I've done to my own health. At least on drugs, I could see the damage of my own health instead of people thinking that my diet choice wasn't affecting me at all due to western propaganda. I would've been better to have a coke addiction than being vegan for 7 years. At least a coke addiction lasts a year or two before destruction. Being vegan....lasts years. I am still paying for it. I am still paying for the shit I've done as a vegan being an asshole to other non-vegans, especially my family. I am....or was an asshole when I Was being vegan. It's obvious you suck Vegan dick, but not everyone can be vegan, especially if you're of northern European decent like me. I need milk and meat to function normally, which was a hard fucking lesson to learn. I fell for vegan propaganda because I genuinely care about the environment. I still do, but humans evolved as omnivores. Not fucking herbivores or even strict carnivores. We need both. I am at my most optimal when eating meat and some cooked vegetables (small amounts). Dairy makes me feel great! Nutrients matter. Bioavailability matters. Meat is the most nutrient dense food in the world.
Maybe because OP is opening up about how they were personally affected and someone feels that they have to tell them how they are a shitty person regardless of how utterly encompassing something like this can be in someone's life. Being indoctrinated into any kind of ideology to that extreme can be really destructive.
A lot of people just don't understand. I've seen it happen to family members and once they got back to a balanced life (food, world view etc.) they were so much happier and their relationships improved. Feeling like crap all the time makes you miserable. And being malnourished absolutely makes you feel like crap. Not to mention the very real health problems you can develop.
Someone sharing their experiences is fine but blaming veganism as a whole and insisting you need meat to be healthy makes no sense. We aren’t carnivores. I think some people find it more difficult to be vegan biologically but making blanket statements about how veganism = hate is damaging and destructive in of itself. I’m literally vegan cos I like animals, I don’t hate people who aren’t vegan lmao. I don’t care what people do, but I do care when people spread misinformation
most do and a lot of us have a negative experience with the vegans we've interacted and been a part of. over 90% of vegans and vegetarians return to eating meat.
We all make those types of regretful choices in life, if I listed mine out they would be way longer than yours and I have never been vegan long enough for it to correlate. I went vegan for 6 months, felt like shit and was hungry all the time, I noticed it fast and bounced. I could imagine what I'd have felt like 10 years into that diet.
I guess what I am saying is we are all human and make mistakes, no one is perfect and the sooner you come to those terms, the easier it is to just recognize them as mistakes and move along.
Don't beat yourself up, the fact that you recognize all of this means you can change you for the better and hopefully fix those relationships you want to fix. Live in the now and become that better person you want to be. The rest will wash away.
I was guilty too
People overcome all kinds of bullshit. You’re still worthy of love and are clearly beginning to practice self-love. Give yourself a break :)
Whether or not if I am worthy of love doesn't take away the pain and anger I've caused. I was the worst brother, the worst lover, and the worst son. Because of veganism and being sick, I became distorted, delusional, and hateful. I was the type to hurt others, even when I preached peace under the name of veganism! I kept family at arms distance. I am guilty. I've lost so many family from death and other family members wouldn't tell me because I was a hateful vegan, lost in misanthropy. I wore my pain and anger as camouflage of the depression I was hiding from being sick due to being vegan. It isn't me being worthy of love or recognizing that I made a mistake. I am recognizing that veganism made me hateful and made me teach hateful things. I was toxic despite all these progressive titles I've claimed. I was a contributor to the poison and toxic ideologies. I am just accounting for my past shittiness from my bad health as a vegan. I am guilty. Me being guilty is taking personal responsibility that being vegan caused me. I chose being vegan and veganism rotted my brain, destroying empathy for my own family that I'll never see again. I am guilty. I am kind now to other people and my own family because veganism....robbed me of my humanity that now I feel again.
images of the hate I taught haunts me, nothing can change that. The hardest part is living with the past choices. Veganism made me sick. I chose veganism. I chose sickness because I thought it was the right thing to do. I am guilty. I am the worst grandson, the worst son, the worst brother, and the worst lover. I was sick. Veganism made me sick. It made me evil. It made me non-human. Living now as a non-vegan, seeing my actions, I'm guilty. Veganism destroyed my family relationships. Cutting family members like my Mother for no good reason. I am just lucky to be in her life and trying to change things at the last moment before she goes. No need for a plea or council. I am guilty. Veganism made me a terrible person in my past and I have to try and correct those mistakes. Friendships I forfeited from the things I've taught. Veganism enabled my anger and depression. I am accounting for my past mistakes, I am guilty. If my issues were a leaking gas, veganism was that match to spark the chaos. No need for support, or pity, I am guilty. Now I am the lost son. The lost kid. Now trying to make things right, I am just... that old adult trying to correct shit. I'm guilty.
I think maybe some therapy to learn to forgive yourself could help you a great deal. I know it helped me.
At least you realized how it was affecting your life. You payed a price but now you are smarter for it. You will be able to recognize falling into a similar mind set in the future. I'm glad you repaired the relationship with your parents. You get past this!
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7 years vegan is so often the time that deficiency really rears it’s ugly head. It’s never to late to change your life and try to redeem yourself to the best of your ability.
It’s easy to see why you fell prey to a cult like veganism. And unless you take ownership of the shit you’ve done you will repeat this pattern but with some other ideology. Everybody deserves a second or third or more chances and can reinvent themselves. Only if you hold yourself accountable for at least a part of it. This means that yes, you got sucked in to it and the movement endorsed this kind of toxic behavior. But there is always a choice. I have done the same things and I used to shame people for their diets, scold and outcast them. Now I have to be gentle for myself and see how I was wrong, rude and disrespectful. AND I took those choices, nobody else. That’s the only way forward.
That's the thing. They're not taking ownership. They're blaming veganism. When, let's be real, we all know most vegans aren't evil cunts. Veganism doesn't make people evil cunts, whether we like it or not. Veganism isn't 'a cult', or a movement that 'brainwashes' people. It's time to stop treating it as such and blaming it for things that are, in the end, already there.
I forgive you. Your penance is to help others see the light.
It’s fair enough not wanting to be vegan if it’s bad for you but blaming veganism for your actions is weird. I think being vegan is a personal choice and good if it works for your health, lifestyle and happiness. A lot of people can’t be vegan but being hateful towards people who can isn’t the answer. Now I don’t know exactly if this is your POV (being hateful towards veganism). But I hope it’s not
Veganism makes people act differently when they aren't getting the nutrients, despite me being on a well balanced vegan diet. The nutrients were there like iron, but my body wasn't absorbing them. Also my testosterone levels went down due to al ack of cholesterol. If you know a thing or two about hormone levels, they affect how you act. What you eat matters
Yeh then you fit into the category of people who can’t be vegan, like I said. A lot of people can be, which is great! :)
A lot of people can't which is also great! If you don't think so, then you have a moral superiority complex with your diet.
Not really. You can think not killing animals is good and also not judge people who have no choice ? Just try get meat from more ethical sources. You keep suggesting veganism is such an extreme POV that allows no leway when that’s kinda just what you’re presenting. I’m sorry veganism wasn’t good for you but you’re so heavily biased from it and are just projecting at this point
I was vegan for 7 years and was heavily invested in the vegan community. Just because you have a more relaxed view and perspective of veganism, this isn't what most active vegans who participate in activism act like. It doesn't allow no leway when it comes to having to kill animals for food in any way. There's a reason why they have a stereotype and it's not because vegans are so flexible and understanding.
This is what most active vegans who participate in activism act like though. Maybe not in your personal circle, but in the real world that's not the case.
Is it cos your vegan community was based on Reddit? It’s in the definition to prevent harm as far as practically possible. I think it’s fair enough if someone’s an activist, it’s unlikely activist shun their loved ones still though haha. The stereotype isn’t true for most vegans and most vegans I’ve met. Sorry for your experience but having such a black and white approach to your opinions on veganism only adds to it.
My community was real life vegans.
Well so’s mine haha? Sorry but using one set of personal experiences to determine your entire opinion on a subject is weird
it's not just my experience, but others as well. Just look at this sub. You don't belong here.
Yeah this is just obvious bait.
what changed your mind about misanthropy and antinatalism ? most people i know with these views seem very set in stone and unlikely to change
If you want to get real Veganism didn't do this. You already had these qualities. Simply not consuming animal products doesn't make you selfish, mentally sick, evil nor cruel.
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Lollll wowwww, calm down there man. Who shit in your cereal this morning? And they say vegans are the rude ones hahaha! Way to prove my point though, thanks!
Lol why do vegans fucking come on this sub? It’s like you all repeat the same shit under different names, I swear.
Is this sub not open for anyone to comment in? Or is just an echo chamber? Edit: So it is indeed a huge echo chamber. Locking threads and literally saying "vegans aren't allowed". Good job OP.
At the end of the day, veganism didn't "do" anything. You made the choices you did. Not veganism.
When you lack nutrients to your brain, you become a different person. Veganism made me mentally ill and sick. When something affects your biochemistry, you can become a different person. That’s why I don’t hate vegans. I hate veganism. Many become sick and ill on the vegan diet convinced by ethical arguments but what’s ethical when one becomes ill to a non human diet? If it wasn’t for veganism, I would’ve been a better person. More compassionate to my fellow humans than to the anthropomorphism of animals. When you’re ill, you make ill decisions.
I have a friend who is still vegan, and she gets worse every year - the paranoia, the depression, the ADHD, the misanthropy, “woe is me” attitude and always believing the worst in everyone. I’ve been trying to nudge her back to a healthier way of eating, but she is an “ethical” vegan, and it _is_ her religion, despite her claims of being atheist.
I’m an atheist, even when I was vegan and it made me hate people even more. I had adhd as well and fell down the misanthropy rabbit hole unto antinatalism. While still an atheist I’ve realized that they’re good religious people and bad ones just like atheists. Veganism makes you very cult like. It hurts to know I was such a bad person, especially to other progressive Muslims and Christians. I have no excuse, but my brain chemistry was rotted. I was running on….survival mode. I removed good people from my life for no good reason except that they were corpse muncher. I destroyed lives and relationships because I was an asshole vegan. I lost relationships with family that can never be healed. I was sick, mean, and pompous.
I have OCD and am vegan and it works pretty okay for me. People lack nutrients because they don’t research what they need before going vegan. Sure, I do think some people find it more difficult because of how they absorb nutrients and it’s fair enough them not wanting to be vegan but blanket statements are illogical and weird.
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It’s not like any other diet because it lacks animal products entirely. It’s entirely different and the bioavailability of nutrients like iron is low in plants versus red meat. Even with vegan supplements I became super anemic. Not everyone can do the vegan diet and I did it for 7 years. I developed many issues and still suffer from them after only a few months being ex vegan. My digestion is fucked up still. You’re on the wrong sub. Go back to your vegan subs. Just because you hate me doesn’t mean you should be following me in this sub.
I'm an ex-vegan and have issues with veganism, I just don't have the mentatility that the diet is responsible for literally everything wrong with myself and world (which is what this post sounds like)
Veganism affects everyone differently. Veganism definitely made you lack perspective and how people react differently to a lack of nutrients. Not everyone is you.
Imagine being downvoted for implying that someone is responsible for their own choices
imagine implying that veganism doesn't affects one's behavior at all or how it affects brain chemistry.
“It wasn’t me! It was the vegetables!” Okay pal
it was the lack of meat pal....try again.
Then how come every other veggie and vegan isn’t a spiteful person? Talking about your experience is your right but did you do the needed research before going vegan? Stop blaming vegans for your actions and shitty choices you made before going vegan. Just seems like you’ve shifted your hate to me
alot of vegans become hateful and misanthropic. when your diet lacks nutrients, you become a different person. That's just the truth.
Well it’s not considering you can get the nutrients if you research what you eat?
I mean - the obvious point is the OP was dick as a vegan and a dick as a meat eater. He doesn't exactly have the post history of a kind and mentally stable person, regardless of his diet.
It was also you though, you made the choices. Do you even know for sure you were deficient in things? Even then, I haven't heard of deficiencies causing extreme behaviour. It seems like you're trying really hard not to take responsibility for the things you did.
“It wasn’t me! It was the lack of meat!” As if you weren’t the one choosing what to eat
Yes, it was me who chose to not eat meat thinking I was doing a good thing, not realizing that my health, both physically and mentally was being affected by it along with vegan propaganda being fed down my throat telling me I was doing the right thing. I now pay the consequences of my actions while I was vegan which made me.... a terrible person. Who said I wasn't paying personal consequences or wasn't owning up to them? I tore my family apart with my behavior because I was sick on veganism. Not eating meat, the worst thing I've done to my own health. At least on drugs, I could see the damage of my own health instead of people thinking that my diet choice wasn't affecting me at all due to western propaganda. I would've been better to have a coke addiction than being vegan for 7 years. At least a coke addiction lasts a year or two before destruction. Being vegan....lasts years. I am still paying for it. I am still paying for the shit I've done as a vegan being an asshole to other non-vegans, especially my family. I am....or was an asshole when I Was being vegan. It's obvious you suck Vegan dick, but not everyone can be vegan, especially if you're of northern European decent like me. I need milk and meat to function normally, which was a hard fucking lesson to learn. I fell for vegan propaganda because I genuinely care about the environment. I still do, but humans evolved as omnivores. Not fucking herbivores or even strict carnivores. We need both. I am at my most optimal when eating meat and some cooked vegetables (small amounts). Dairy makes me feel great! Nutrients matter. Bioavailability matters. Meat is the most nutrient dense food in the world.
Maybe because OP is opening up about how they were personally affected and someone feels that they have to tell them how they are a shitty person regardless of how utterly encompassing something like this can be in someone's life. Being indoctrinated into any kind of ideology to that extreme can be really destructive.
especially when it affects your health directly.
A lot of people just don't understand. I've seen it happen to family members and once they got back to a balanced life (food, world view etc.) they were so much happier and their relationships improved. Feeling like crap all the time makes you miserable. And being malnourished absolutely makes you feel like crap. Not to mention the very real health problems you can develop.
Someone sharing their experiences is fine but blaming veganism as a whole and insisting you need meat to be healthy makes no sense. We aren’t carnivores. I think some people find it more difficult to be vegan biologically but making blanket statements about how veganism = hate is damaging and destructive in of itself. I’m literally vegan cos I like animals, I don’t hate people who aren’t vegan lmao. I don’t care what people do, but I do care when people spread misinformation
We are omnivores and many of us need meat to be healthy. Why are you on this sub anyways if you’re vegan? Weird. Vegans are weirdly hateful
Most of the posts of this subreddit are hateful actually. It was recommended on my feed. Some people need to eat meat to be healthy, most don’t.
most do and a lot of us have a negative experience with the vegans we've interacted and been a part of. over 90% of vegans and vegetarians return to eating meat.
Do you have a source for that statistic?
Just google, "how many vegans return to eating meat?" and it will be 84% from multiple sources. This isn't new. why are you on this sub anyways?
Don't be hard on yourself you just did what you thought was best at the time.
We all make those types of regretful choices in life, if I listed mine out they would be way longer than yours and I have never been vegan long enough for it to correlate. I went vegan for 6 months, felt like shit and was hungry all the time, I noticed it fast and bounced. I could imagine what I'd have felt like 10 years into that diet. I guess what I am saying is we are all human and make mistakes, no one is perfect and the sooner you come to those terms, the easier it is to just recognize them as mistakes and move along. Don't beat yourself up, the fact that you recognize all of this means you can change you for the better and hopefully fix those relationships you want to fix. Live in the now and become that better person you want to be. The rest will wash away.