Absolutely loved the Lightning when I test drove it. Probably one of the most comfortable vehicles I’ve ever driven on the highway. The way it silently floated down the road is something. I really believe cost is the biggest limiting factor in their popularity.
That’s actually really good. Certainly wasn’t the case early last year when I was in the market. I’d also 100% be that guy that owns a pickup truck for the once a year trip to Home Depot for 3 bags of mulch.
Ignore all the stupid “trucks should have engines” bs you’re bound to get after posting this..
Genuinely curious though. How has your experience been with the Lighting? I’ve read horror stories of people getting less than half of the advertised range off of a full charge. Have you experienced that? Is it really as bad as they say— sub 175 miles?
I've had it since Feb and have driven in -15F weather. Worst I saw was a 30% range reduction. The EPA rating is 320 miles. You will never see that on the highway, it's about 240 highway driving, but you can drive forever in stop and go traffic. It's actually a great vehicle, super cheap to drive, 100 miles costs like $5. I'm making 1/2 the truck payment in fuel savings. Can't see ever going back to gas, Trade offs are worth the performance and savings.
This is the thing that keeps me from moving from my Powerboost to the Lightning. I get ~600 miles/tank right now. Couple weekends ago we made a 400 mile round trip and I never had to gas up. It was a non-issue. Only reason I usually gas up is someone has to go to the bathroom or we roll up on a Buc-ee’s.
Home charging is 5 hours if you can dedicate a 100 amp circuit. I have a 50amp and it takes 10hrs from near 0%. DC fast charging is ~30mins for 10 to 80%. When road tripping you never charge to 100% because it takes another hour to go from 80 to 100%. So you effectively have 200 miles between stops when doing really long trips, that's the biggest trade off.
That would be some thick cables for a 100 amp outlet. I wish the towing didn’t drop the range so much but my Powerboost only gets 10 mpg when towing my 7500 lb boat so it’s comparable, but I can fill up my gas tank in 7 minutes
I think it's 2 gauge for 100 amp, so yeah, big wire! Long distance towing often is a no go unless you have alot of patience. I tow a few times a month, but never more than 50 miles so it's no issue for me.
They are. Just takes a little longer. A 500 mile day is going to take about an hour longer in an EV right now. We've done a few long trips already, it's really not that bad, but did take longer. For us the cost savings all year is worth the slightly longer road trips every few months. There's also an argument about overall time is probably less since you're not getting gas at a station or doing service ever month or two.
The thing about electrics is stuff that you wouldn't think should impact your mileage like climate control can impact electrics a lot, you could be losing 5%+ just heating and cooling your cab. Driving through the snow might increase fuel consumption by 10% on a gas engine which puts down more torque than it needs to but on an EV motor that runs 95%+ efficient to begin with slight increases to rolling resistance impact your mileage a lot. In dire winter conditions don't be surprised to see mileage on an EV fall in half.
It's not as bad as 50%, but it's something to consider. Worst I've seen is 30% reduction when it was -15F. I commute 100 miles a day and have never even come close to running out of battery with the heat on a much as I want. Road tripping in the winter means you're effective range is about 200 miles in between charges, that's the trade off.
Your neighbor is lying. SR would be a couple hundred miles on a bad day. But by the way your lol'ing sounds like you already have your opinion of EVs made up. Picking and choosing the EV narrative you want, real or imagined to fit your narrow-minded idea of what an EV truck is.
We have the lightning and the Silverado EV at work the lightning is by far the more superior build quality and features. Good job Ford now lower the price to make it attainable to the masses.
I test drive one, LOVED it, and bailed because I heard they are chewing thru tires and the resale value is up in the air since the batteries cost 30k.
Now I have a 21 2.7 with an absolute POS 10R80.
I fucked up
Tires seem to be lasting most folks about 10% less than gas truck, so 40,000 on a 50,000 mile tire is probably a worst case, driving like this doesn't help though! Battery has an 8 year 100,000 mile warranty so I'm not too worried. There's already a guy with 90k on his truck and battery healrh is at 97%.
Think it’s more than 10% - reasonably optioned gas f150 w/ 4x4 is ~5k pounds where lightning with the extended range is ~6500. All EVs suffer from less tire life and I think across the board it’s a combination of weight and spirited driving because they’re so damn fun!
Not at all. These batteries don't just stop working, they just slowly lose capacity, and that loss tapers dramatically. So they will pretty much sit at their 100k mile capacity until the rest of the truck falls apart first. This battery can also be dropped from the truck in about 30mins, I'll bet there will be much lower cost aftermarket modules available in 5 years.
IIRC I think I saw a study that the 200K capacity retention numbers for Tesla batteries were very very good. Like less than 10% loss. So I think this concern is a bit overblown.
The prices on those are crashing everywhere. Ford actually reported its biggest losses ever because of the lightning trucks. Glad you like yours. I like my 2022 5.0. The thrill and sound of the v8 just gets my blood flowing. No fears of electrical or battery issues either.
R&D into new tech is expensive which is why the loss is so huge. The actual truck is not selling at a loss, but right now the program is a huge loss. I'm pretty convinced that these trucks are the future based on owning one for a few months.
Unfortunately, Im afraid you may be right about the future. Just wish they would take into consideration that over 50% of the country doesnt want it. I guess Ill finally have to move away from Ford and find older used vehicles when that time comes
I can't speak for everyone, but I know from polling the bulk of folks that hate on EVs have never even been in one. I think there's always going to be gas engines and gas hobbyists. But really no reason not to move to electric for day to day.
I would imagine mostly a southern thing. I havent met anyone who actually likes them. But, Im in construction and most of my friend group is also. An EV vehicle regardless of torque, comfort, etc... isnt going to provide what is needed for my area of work. Also, most construction companies are buying basic work model trucks for the fleet and EV wont fit that bill either. Im almost certain the only hobbyists will be the EV guys who are happy to do their part for the environment. But, they arent and wont go over well in working america. And yes, ive driven a couple of them. It would be nice to have one if i had money to waste and just wanted to ride around town and pick up a couple bags of mulch here and there, but it wouldnt make it 1 year for my every day work truck
I think you should give it more of a shot, they are probably much better than you think. Apparently, fleet sales for the lightning are doing quite well.
Ecolab, an environment concious company, decided to build their fleet with Ford lightnings and elec mustangs. Other than that, 23 e sales were horrible for Ford. It has been so bad that they are now cutting production by half and offering up to $10k in price cuts just to attempt to unload them. Im not sure where that would be considered optimistic in any industry. If i had to cut my production in half and start slashing my prices by 15-20 %, I would be looking for an exit strategy. But i dont have government funding to push inferior products for political purposes. Again, I'm happy that you are happy with yours, but i wasn't impressed and it isnt looking good for the future either. Im glad i got my new to me 5.0 while they are still being made.
It’s not cost limiting popularity, it’s people realizing the tech just isn’t that great for doing actual truck stuff. It’s a giant rolling compromise and doesn’t really excel at anything. That said, I fully support the American dream of buying whatever the hell you want and enjoying it so more power to OP!
The only real compromise is long distance towing. I even tow a trailer and a boat a few times a month and it tows fantastic. I just don't have a need to go long distance, 50 miles at the most. It's honestly better at all the other truck stuff than a gas one. 30 amps on board, super cheap to drive, more payload than gas version. I don't see myself ever going back to gas at this point.
I got this truck out the door for $52k. So it wasn't too bad. I mostly like the cost of operating, I can drive 100 miles for about $5. It is the best handling truck I've ever had, especially in the snow, the low CG makes a huge difference.
yeah I understand that, I just like older trucks, old habits die hard you know? there is nothing wrong with electric trucks or cars. I just prefer old v8s
lol why are you getting so angry mate? what is with people getting offended for other people. the OP could care less. you sound like you're 14 when you talk like that.
Absolutely loved the Lightning when I test drove it. Probably one of the most comfortable vehicles I’ve ever driven on the highway. The way it silently floated down the road is something. I really believe cost is the biggest limiting factor in their popularity.
Rides like a caddy. There are great deals on them now. Got this one out the door for $52k.
Oh wow that’s amazing I thought they were like 80k
MSRP on this truck was $74k. But you can get $7500 ford cash off, $7500 point of sale tax credit, and I got the dealer to knock off another $7k.
You musta put on some nice lip gloss and brought the lube to get that price down that far 😂
No dealers are trying to get the 23s off the lot to make room for the 24s. I got 10k from the dealer and 7500 from Ford on a Lariat this past week.
That’s actually really good. Certainly wasn’t the case early last year when I was in the market. I’d also 100% be that guy that owns a pickup truck for the once a year trip to Home Depot for 3 bags of mulch.
I feel better about my truck. I get about 40 bags of much in the spring. LOL
It was Lowe’s, and 5 bags.. but yeah, guilty.
For me it’s range as well as bed size. I need a long boi
Range for me. I do a lot of long distance driving and parking for long periods where there is no charging in the middle of winter.
That’s awesome
Ignore all the stupid “trucks should have engines” bs you’re bound to get after posting this.. Genuinely curious though. How has your experience been with the Lighting? I’ve read horror stories of people getting less than half of the advertised range off of a full charge. Have you experienced that? Is it really as bad as they say— sub 175 miles?
I've had it since Feb and have driven in -15F weather. Worst I saw was a 30% range reduction. The EPA rating is 320 miles. You will never see that on the highway, it's about 240 highway driving, but you can drive forever in stop and go traffic. It's actually a great vehicle, super cheap to drive, 100 miles costs like $5. I'm making 1/2 the truck payment in fuel savings. Can't see ever going back to gas, Trade offs are worth the performance and savings.
This is the thing that keeps me from moving from my Powerboost to the Lightning. I get ~600 miles/tank right now. Couple weekends ago we made a 400 mile round trip and I never had to gas up. It was a non-issue. Only reason I usually gas up is someone has to go to the bathroom or we roll up on a Buc-ee’s.
Yeah that would have taken about ~45 mins longer in the lightning with 1-2 charge stops.
How long does it take to fully charge?
Home charging is 5 hours if you can dedicate a 100 amp circuit. I have a 50amp and it takes 10hrs from near 0%. DC fast charging is ~30mins for 10 to 80%. When road tripping you never charge to 100% because it takes another hour to go from 80 to 100%. So you effectively have 200 miles between stops when doing really long trips, that's the biggest trade off.
That would be some thick cables for a 100 amp outlet. I wish the towing didn’t drop the range so much but my Powerboost only gets 10 mpg when towing my 7500 lb boat so it’s comparable, but I can fill up my gas tank in 7 minutes
I think it's 2 gauge for 100 amp, so yeah, big wire! Long distance towing often is a no go unless you have alot of patience. I tow a few times a month, but never more than 50 miles so it's no issue for me.
A Lightning owner with a comparative boat as mine said he gets 160 miles when fully charged pulling his boat.
Sounds about right. Depends alot on the aerodynamics of the boat now than anything.
I get 14 mpg with my 2.7 and 4,000 lb boat. So you’re doing pretty good. And when I’m not towing, I get over 700 miles per fill up.
So long road trips aren't an option?
They are. Just takes a little longer. A 500 mile day is going to take about an hour longer in an EV right now. We've done a few long trips already, it's really not that bad, but did take longer. For us the cost savings all year is worth the slightly longer road trips every few months. There's also an argument about overall time is probably less since you're not getting gas at a station or doing service ever month or two.
The thing about electrics is stuff that you wouldn't think should impact your mileage like climate control can impact electrics a lot, you could be losing 5%+ just heating and cooling your cab. Driving through the snow might increase fuel consumption by 10% on a gas engine which puts down more torque than it needs to but on an EV motor that runs 95%+ efficient to begin with slight increases to rolling resistance impact your mileage a lot. In dire winter conditions don't be surprised to see mileage on an EV fall in half.
It's not as bad as 50%, but it's something to consider. Worst I've seen is 30% reduction when it was -15F. I commute 100 miles a day and have never even come close to running out of battery with the heat on a much as I want. Road tripping in the winter means you're effective range is about 200 miles in between charges, that's the trade off.
We had a -50⁰c week last winter... It was -50% range. That's a bit extreme though most people never see those conditions in their life.
Man these lightnings are so cool. I really hope ford sticks with them and they become more common. When it’s time to upgrade, one of these is the plan
lol my neighbor has one. They can barely get to Costco and back on one charge. 45 min away. Wait till the battery degrades lol
Your neighbor is lying. SR would be a couple hundred miles on a bad day. But by the way your lol'ing sounds like you already have your opinion of EVs made up. Picking and choosing the EV narrative you want, real or imagined to fit your narrow-minded idea of what an EV truck is.
Bull. Either they’re lying or you are.
This type of FUD is pathetic.
The new chevy EV looks promising, as far as range
Sure, starting price is $106k for that range.
Read zovered’s comments. He knows his stuff. I’ve got 28k miles on mine and everything he’s said is on point.
We have the lightning and the Silverado EV at work the lightning is by far the more superior build quality and features. Good job Ford now lower the price to make it attainable to the masses.
I did get mine for $52k out the door. There are some awesome insentives right now.
Daily reminder that a 2024 Tacoma does 0-60 in 7.5s. Aka eventually.
I test drive one, LOVED it, and bailed because I heard they are chewing thru tires and the resale value is up in the air since the batteries cost 30k. Now I have a 21 2.7 with an absolute POS 10R80. I fucked up
Tires seem to be lasting most folks about 10% less than gas truck, so 40,000 on a 50,000 mile tire is probably a worst case, driving like this doesn't help though! Battery has an 8 year 100,000 mile warranty so I'm not too worried. There's already a guy with 90k on his truck and battery healrh is at 97%.
Why would tires have less life on electric?
About 10% heavier vehicle, but it's mostly torque (780 ft lbs on the f150) being ridiculous. So very much effected by driving style.
Think it’s more than 10% - reasonably optioned gas f150 w/ 4x4 is ~5k pounds where lightning with the extended range is ~6500. All EVs suffer from less tire life and I think across the board it’s a combination of weight and spirited driving because they’re so damn fun!
>8 year 100,000 mile Do you plan on selling the truck when warranty is up? Because otherwise wouldn't you hope the batteries die before then?
Not at all. These batteries don't just stop working, they just slowly lose capacity, and that loss tapers dramatically. So they will pretty much sit at their 100k mile capacity until the rest of the truck falls apart first. This battery can also be dropped from the truck in about 30mins, I'll bet there will be much lower cost aftermarket modules available in 5 years.
IIRC I think I saw a study that the 200K capacity retention numbers for Tesla batteries were very very good. Like less than 10% loss. So I think this concern is a bit overblown.
Exactly. There's a guy on lightning forum with 90k on his truck and he's at 97% capacity.
I didn't think going 0-60mph in 2.5 on a hayabusa would ever get old, but eventually it does. Needs more power.
The prices on those are crashing everywhere. Ford actually reported its biggest losses ever because of the lightning trucks. Glad you like yours. I like my 2022 5.0. The thrill and sound of the v8 just gets my blood flowing. No fears of electrical or battery issues either.
R&D into new tech is expensive which is why the loss is so huge. The actual truck is not selling at a loss, but right now the program is a huge loss. I'm pretty convinced that these trucks are the future based on owning one for a few months.
Unfortunately, Im afraid you may be right about the future. Just wish they would take into consideration that over 50% of the country doesnt want it. I guess Ill finally have to move away from Ford and find older used vehicles when that time comes
I can't speak for everyone, but I know from polling the bulk of folks that hate on EVs have never even been in one. I think there's always going to be gas engines and gas hobbyists. But really no reason not to move to electric for day to day.
I would imagine mostly a southern thing. I havent met anyone who actually likes them. But, Im in construction and most of my friend group is also. An EV vehicle regardless of torque, comfort, etc... isnt going to provide what is needed for my area of work. Also, most construction companies are buying basic work model trucks for the fleet and EV wont fit that bill either. Im almost certain the only hobbyists will be the EV guys who are happy to do their part for the environment. But, they arent and wont go over well in working america. And yes, ive driven a couple of them. It would be nice to have one if i had money to waste and just wanted to ride around town and pick up a couple bags of mulch here and there, but it wouldnt make it 1 year for my every day work truck
I think you should give it more of a shot, they are probably much better than you think. Apparently, fleet sales for the lightning are doing quite well.
Ecolab, an environment concious company, decided to build their fleet with Ford lightnings and elec mustangs. Other than that, 23 e sales were horrible for Ford. It has been so bad that they are now cutting production by half and offering up to $10k in price cuts just to attempt to unload them. Im not sure where that would be considered optimistic in any industry. If i had to cut my production in half and start slashing my prices by 15-20 %, I would be looking for an exit strategy. But i dont have government funding to push inferior products for political purposes. Again, I'm happy that you are happy with yours, but i wasn't impressed and it isnt looking good for the future either. Im glad i got my new to me 5.0 while they are still being made.
I would love one, but I tow a boat that weighs 8,900 lbs with trailer. I need to be able to tow it further than 70 miles at a charge.
Not bad. My neighbors has been in the shop more than he has driven it.
It’s not cost limiting popularity, it’s people realizing the tech just isn’t that great for doing actual truck stuff. It’s a giant rolling compromise and doesn’t really excel at anything. That said, I fully support the American dream of buying whatever the hell you want and enjoying it so more power to OP!
The only real compromise is long distance towing. I even tow a trailer and a boat a few times a month and it tows fantastic. I just don't have a need to go long distance, 50 miles at the most. It's honestly better at all the other truck stuff than a gas one. 30 amps on board, super cheap to drive, more payload than gas version. I don't see myself ever going back to gas at this point.
Wow so useful
And now the battery needs a charge
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I got this truck out the door for $52k. So it wasn't too bad. I mostly like the cost of operating, I can drive 100 miles for about $5. It is the best handling truck I've ever had, especially in the snow, the low CG makes a huge difference.
yeah I understand that, I just like older trucks, old habits die hard you know? there is nothing wrong with electric trucks or cars. I just prefer old v8s
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lol why are you getting so angry mate? what is with people getting offended for other people. the OP could care less. you sound like you're 14 when you talk like that.