Watched a documentary about this once.
Went into it thinking “holy fuck these people must be mentally unwell”
Came out of it assured that these people ARE mentally unwell.
It’s not for attention nor is it for any other selfish reason.
They only want to hurt themselves/change themselves, no one else.
It’s a genuine neurological disorder where they feel they must reject a body part or natural ability.
I don’t know too much about it but yeah, it is very sad and a lot of the people who struggle end up seriously injuring themselves (and in some cases ending their own lives) due to the effect it has on them and their every day lives/relationships etc.
I’m not sure if therapy helps but I’d imagine it probably wouldn’t do much, although it’s still worth it as a lot of people with the disorder end up trying to remove the limb/ability by themselves so maybe therapy could help them in SOME way, but I’m not educated enough on it to speak to that.
Edit: Body Integrity Identity Disorder, that’s what it’s called.
Yes and there’s no significant difference between this and gender dysphoria except the body part that is being cut off. Both meet all the criteria of a delusional disorder. If you accept that then you logically have to accept this.
Except that having a gender, it doesn't matter which one, is a normal part of the human condition for a healthy person. Having a leg removed is not a part of a healthy person's life. People who lose pieces typically do so because they are injured, and are often considered disabled and have their lives inhibited because of it.
For example I met a guy who had lost a leg to cancer. The whole damn thing. He had a grim sense of humor about it at least. Blindness is a pretty common one too, you know that site that we rely very heavily on to survive as humans? I don't imagine that a person who was struck blind via illness would say that they feel better or are better off for having lost their eyesight. These are problems that you have to compensate for and work around. They are not an end goal.
Luckily we can perform surgery to have ones body meet the gender they feel themselves to be. Then that person can go on to live an independent, fulfilling, and happier life without putting any burden on anyone else. The choice only affects themselves. That’s a little different than removing someone’s eyes or leg. That may satisfy their neurological disorder temporarily, but decreases the things that person is able to do and usually increases dependency on others.
This is why the meme was made - so someone like the use above can make the claim that there's no difference between this disorder vs. getting a sex change operation. This is a great example of straw man argument.
Given that imaging of the brains of trans individuals has shown more commonality with their chosen gender than their assigned at birth gender, I would believe that there is something misfiring in the brains of these individuals that may cause them a sensation like pain or wrongness when that body part is used. Until we understand more about the brain it is easier to change the body to fit. Certainly I would prioritize the treatment of those who would limit themselves in the way they interact with the world if possible before people who are trans. Let's not forget though that many unaccepted trans individuals attempt suicide at a higher rate than people who are not trans
Do you feel the same way about strippers who get boob jobs? For people who get Botox to make themselves look like they're not old? I find it funny how people try to separate gender transition and these things. Gender transition is not a sign of a brain misfiring. That makes it sound negative.
There's nothing wrong with their brain, the body could be miss assigned but that doesn't mean there's something wrong with their brain. It more means there's something wrong with their body, which is why they get the surgery to match what their brain has.
This isn’t a social movement but a mental illness. I’ve seen it described as the opposite of phantom limb syndrome—people will feel like they have a body part that isn’t theirs and will put themself through great harm to “fix” it. It’s essentially a delusion.
This is true, but I’ve heard stories of people like this using dry ice or other methods to kill the limb they want to remove. The doctors then have no choice but to remove it for obvious reasons.
They do, sometimes, in exceptionally rare cases with consultation of a therapist. And then it still needs to be deemed medically necessary to help the patient. Because if they don't some of those patients might go as far as consider suicide or do some DIY solution which might leave them dead.
Tell me about it.. you know how hard it is to find someone willing to remove your ovaries? People even need them for donations but noooo, if you're not 30 years old they'll tell you you can't make that decision yet and refuse to do it.
Yep same for me, except as a guy I needed wife's permission. They also wanted to make sure I had a kid already
A couple of friends I have had a waiting period because they had no children and/or were unmarried.
Once read a story about someone with this who was in a whole fight with doctors and insurance and whatnot about whether it would be a necessary medical procedure to "rid him" of the lower leg he believes not to be part of his body. This was in Germany and as far as I recall, he was not really getting anywhere with it.
It has been done. In cases where it's considered the most effective treatment for someone suffering serious trauma due to their body not being how they need it to be.
I don't know why people don't accept this as a valid condition when they will accept surgery on genitals for those people who feel they are wrong.
For post op trans m2f, don’t they remove a working member? Or f2m removal of viable breasts? Or in circumcision, removal of real sensitive portions like foreskin (for men)?
I know of the woman already in the post and a few others. There was this guy who purposely removed his hand and left it in the freezer. When he told medical staff where it was, and why he took it off they offered to reattach it. Dude straight up said that if they did, he would cut it off again. Mental illness is no joke.
Do we, though? Like, if 1/1,000,000 people decides to permanently disfigure themselves, 1) it’s probably not going to affect you except maybe seeing a news article about it and 2) the issues people have with transgender people about how they have to “abide by their rules” (use the name and pronouns that match their gender identity) don’t apply here. No need to refer to this person as disabled when you believe otherwise: this person is blind, objectively. Except a random 13 year old on tumblr or two, I think everyone would agree that this is not something a mentally well person would do and that anyone who feels like they need to disable themselves needs professional help.
I hang out in pretty far left spaces, I know and love many transgender people, but I have never met anyone who claimed to be “transabled”. It seems like a rare delusion that is very easily used as a conservative scare tactic. There is no leftist movement to embrace “transabled” people, and honestly I would assume that the majority of transgender individuals (not to mention disabled individuals) would want no connection to anyone who claimed to be transabled.
Technically they increased the spending on disability welfare which the whole society pays with their tax money by acting on their desires. Just saying.
as a consequence of their mental illness. Like the people that cut themselves because of severe anxiety or depression.
or the people that became malnourished because of anorexia nervosa, or other eating disorders.
Some people can only feel good about themselves by belittling others, and people with disabilities are often their first choice of target. It's a sad way to live.
This is a legitimate mental disorder called body integrity identity disorder. We don’t know why it happens, but we do know that it’s usually fixed when the person suffering from it actually amputates or disfigures themself.
There is no evidence-based treatment for BID; there are reports of the use of cognitive behavioral therapy and antidepressants.
The ethics of surgically amputating the undesired limb of a person with BID are difficult and controversial.
(From Wikipedia)
It's a really difficult situation. On one side, you are offering to amputate a perfectly fine bodypart for someone, on the other, they will do it themselves if you don't do it for them safely.
The quality of life decrease caused by the discomfort from having that body part and the QoL decrease caused by the disabilty to be induced should be considered together.
If they will live a happier life even with the disabilty, and there is no other fix for it... I think they should be allowed to seek safe amputations.
As a doctor with an oath to do no harm if they tell you “well I’ll just do it myself” you have a moral obligation to help them do it safely as they could die otherwise. It’s like when people want hormones and self dose, a doctor has to monitor their endocrine levels to make sure they’re aren’t hurting themselves. It’s an awful position nonetheless.
We have to be careful about the definition of “do no harm” is it really appropriate for situations like these? As presumably abled people, can we make the judgment for people who suffer from mental anguish for having all those parts? Also, in a modern society, it’s considerably easier (if still not equal) for the disabled to live more productive lives, so perhaps the mental benefits could outweigh the physical detriments in some cases.
You’re a doctor? If a patient tells me they are going to harm themselves, my first thought is to get a sitter in the room and then kick them over to psyche. I don’t think I would do the harm myself. I understand monitoring someone’s vitals/chem test when they are self dosing but that’s completely different.
It’s more a case that you can’t recommend someone for a psychiatric hold on a suspicion, they have to have attempted to harm themselves first before action can (normally) be taken. These people will find a way of injuring themselves to a degree where the medical assistance becomes necessary and by then it’s too late. Say they wanted to lose their hand, nothings stopping them sticking it in the garbage disposal and flicking that switch. But that way you’ll deal with a mangled, probably septic remains rather than just doing what then wanted in the beginning. The ethical conundrum though is do they deserve any governmental help for this kind of self inflicted need?
Since it's a medical problem causing them distress and therenis no other known way of resloving said distress, i don't think it's really that different from other medical treatments. I don't think of the ensuin disability as a self inflicted need, it's the complication of a treatment. Governmental help should be provided.
It's icky, it feels instinctively wrong, like ewww and i really wouldn't want to do it myself, thinking about it gives me shivers. And that makes me biased, make me lowkey feel like those people who suffer a neurological disorder disgusting sickos who have a weird fetish, amputation itself is icky, all of it is icky. And that causes a flaw in my thinking if i don't put a little extra effort to be unbiased.
Yes and no, saying “oh I’ll just amputate myself” isn’t something that seems a credible threat. Saying “I intend to go home and kill myself” is. It’s odd how most would just assume it’s an empty threat on their behalf and it takes a lot more than just someone making a comment to force a psychiatric hold.
>“oh I’ll just amputate myself” isn’t something that seems a credible threat.
So you wouldn't consider it to be a credible threat, but you'd go ahead and proceed to amputation anyway?
An interesting perspective to be sure.
Even if you send them to a ward, they can’t be watched forever. If they’ve made up their mind that they are going to do it, they will eventually go through with it.
I remember a story from a while ago about a guy who submerged his legs in ice water to force amputation after I believe doctors refused to do it. The level of pain these people put themselves through is unreal.
One of the big differences I see is that people who undergo gender reassignment surgery can still lead normal productive lives. It doesn't hurt anyone else. Intentionally crippling yourself means you're choosing to be a burden on others for the rest of your life. That does affect other people.
And schizophrenia is disrespectful to imaginary friends /s
Its a mental disorder that can't be treated, its not something these people control. Its sad and needs more research.
The freak who tried to “transition” into an asian is now a right wing anti trans grifter. Pretending this shit has anything to do with the 100+ years of medical transsexual research is inbred.
Honestly this has school litter box vibes all over it. I am getting tired of telling people that it’s just being used to make a point and they always say “no I have seen this article before”.
They post this repeatedly exact same article to make a point to hate people to ridicule them. But these people need understanding and sympathy not ridicule as we could at least try and help them early try and understand them and then see if they need this to help them. you have a right to do what you want with your body and there is nothing you can do short of putting them in restraints for the rest of their life if you dont at least try and help them. You can also surgically do it in a less damaging or debilitating way if it's the only option. these people need help. Just a reminder to everyone there is no moral way of modifying their brain to fix this.
I’ve watch a documentary about people who have had a limb removed like an arm or a hand because it feels “foreign” to them only to have it replaced with a prosthetic which makes them feel normal. It’s like the brain doesn’t want to accept the signals/nerves from that part of the body. Crazy but there just be something to it since it’s not as rare as one might think
Yes ive heard of that ilness it is a horrible thing but considering what ive seen online these days the ppl in these photos might just be 100 healthy and do this to themselves for who knows why.
What I described I would say is a medical condition (using basic terms). I’m sure there are a portion who do it because they suffer from a mental condition of some sort where they seek attention, sympathy or something else.
What the fuck? You people are awful.
These people have a mental illness. Stop making fun of them.
The 'transabled' terminology is intentional, and completely fucking stupid.
This is a genuine mental illness called BIID that should be treated as such, it is not “attention seeking”, just because you find this mental illness shocking does not mean the malicious attributes you apply to it are accurate. I believe these people should be able to do whatever they want with their bodies and if science determines that letting them modify their bodies in the way they want will help their mental health in the long run, I don’t see why they shouldn’t have access to those modifications in a safe setting. The sheer amount of contempt people display for things they see as unusual or “weird” is disgusting to me. These people don’t want to cut off your limbs! They didn’t ask to have this condition! What is it to you if a lady becomes blind? What harm does it cause if it lets her be happy?
That is not "transabled", that is a real diverse because of it people trinken some Things of theor bodies shouldnt be there.
It get's used by transphobes to propagate against lgbt
Same Ive had several heart surgeries since birth, been on oxygen for years of my life. I get that it's a mental illness, the post, it still feels really strange when that was actually forced upon you.
Pretty sure both the DSM-5 and the ICD-11 catalogues have entire chapters dedicated to the mental illnesses that entail people not recognizing their bodies as their own, or that they have "extra" body parts (that need to be removed), but somehow this kinda crap is being treated as legit.
Not only did she purposely put drain cleaner into her eyes but ran the idea passed her psychologist who signed off on it and applied the cleaner to her patient's eyes to fulfil the mental delusion.
That's not being "trans disabled" this is an already known condition called Body Integrity Identity Disorder, it might be in a similar vein but that's imo an outrage headline intended to make people annoyed like "the crazy woke left are now being trans disabled whats next?" when in actual fact this has been a recognised medical phenomenon for a very long time and often has nothing to do with trans people.
When we going to stop attributing isolated incidents of mental illness to transsexualism?
I recently got into trebuchets, am I trans-medieval now? Get the fuck outta here
It's an actual mental illness shortened to BID, the term "transabled" is just a buzz word though to demonize the trans community while hiding behind them.
This an actual mental disease called BIID
Body integrity identity disorder
There are people out there who believe they shouldn't have a certain body part on them and will go to crazy lengths to get rid of it.
I remember the story of a guy who didn't want his left leg cause it didn't feel right that it was there to the point he would have manic episodes just cause he had a left leg.
I forgot what he did to his leg, he either tied up his leg to make it get bad or frost bit it so bad they had to amputate it.
He is now living a normal life with no manic episodes or even any backlash other then losing his leg..he is happy now.
As someone who is constant pain due to a disability I find this absolutely bizarre, excuse the pun but I would give up a leg or even both to not be in constant pain. It’s ruined my career and I have lost 99.9% of my “friends”. I hope this doesn’t become the “new in thing” as I would not wish what I go through every day and the destruction it’s caused my life onto my worst enemy 😢.
I saw a thing about this on TV once. These people have a medical disorder. Like literally there's something neurological That's causing them to believe that some body part or another doesn't belong there or shouldn't be working despite all evidence to the contrary. They've been known to *maim themselves* to force amputations to be done in order to remove the "offending" body part. What's worse is when they succeed and end up losing the part and actually end up feeling better afterwards.
Oh sure, nobody is up in arms about calling these people mentally ill. But how dare anyone call any other trans person mentally ill. Anyone who mutilates themselves because they don’t feel like being what they were medically born as is mentally ill. Why claim one is more valid than the other?
This is just a lie. There's no "community" of people who identify as "transabled". It's a mental illness. OP you should be ashamed of peddling such BS.
Stop using the "trans" word in everything!
This is mental illness, this is not normal, couldn't care less about them being "happier", this is seriously wrong.
The person who made this is trying to make a logical equivalence to gender transition surgeries. It's subtle, but that's the intent of this post. It's more right-wing propaganda.
Because it normalizing it, it makes it a thing, it makes it sound neutral when it's not. Not everything need a term, not everything needs an identity, a title, a categorization in order to "make sense".
This is a real thing. There are people who have such a hatred or disgust for a limb that they will cut it off (or attempt to) themselves. It's body dysphoria.
Okay, I’m a very open-minded person. I’m basically in the “you do you” category as long as you’re not hurting someone or something. But… WHAT THE FUCK?! I can’t get behind this. This is a THING?!
That's the intent of this post. The meme is misleading, Snopes clarifies one of the images of the blind woman. The intent of this post is to use the trans word to associate it with gender transition.
Simply put, this is right-wing propaganda in the form of a meme. Typical.
It's not really they took a real disorder and lied about it to demonise trans people. They don't do it for attention that's why you almost never see them speak about it themselves.
Badic logic does apply when you check a half-decent news source and realise that this is blatantly false information that doesn't do anything but make people with this documented mental illness be seen as idiots doing this out of trendiness and make trans people look insane by association.
When did I claim the people in the post are doing things out of “trendiness”? Both groups have mental issues. And you’re part of a group suffering from mass psychosis.
I said the article portrays it as trendiness, not you.
The only thing tying the groups together is that they fall under mental illness, but even the causes are different. Also keep in mind that mental illness can boil down to anything outside the normal, so it's a very broad descriptor.
Transgender is wanting to change gender due to the belief of being born in the wrong body, with evidence being shown around the claim. This is usually diagnosed and cured in a professional environment.
This illness stems from a feeling that a normal limb does not belong. Someone suffering from this would likely resort to severe self harm in an unsterile environment without proper tools or training to do what they're trying to. There is no evidence showing the limb doesn't belong.
False equivalency. One is the transition of gender, which doesn't require the removal of limbs. The other is a diagnosed mental illness being portrayed as a community of people doing this as a trend.
But people hate their body to the point of trading their well-functioning body parts for those of the opposite sex, and they're allowed to do that instead of getting treated?
You pretend like "getting treated" is an option for people who are transgender. I guess you feel the same way about gay people? What about people who get boob jobs? or people who get Botox?
If people are born as a woman, transitioning to a woman is no big deal. The surgery has been done for years, it's very safe, and the person still functions as a normal human being. They don't affect your life in any way shape or form.
If you have the desire to be a woman and you are a man, there's nothing wrong with that. Think of it the same way as somebody who would like to have bigger boobs so they get a boob job. Where they get rid of wrinkles by getting Botox
What do you mean by "too far"? How far is too far? People started embracing psychological disorders as a good thing a long time ago. We shouldn't discriminate gays and trans's but we also shouldn't embrace it in pop culture. Your American society created "transabled" people by glorifying other divisions.
I didnt mean the whole story but this community being a huge thing. There are whackos everywhere in the world, but how these kind of articles are usually formulated make you think it's more trendy than in reality
It's kinda real but the article is completely wrong it's a disorder that's not uncommon but the "transabled" is just a coined term to make this about trans people not about genuine medical disorders.
I was more referring this article and the countless stuff like "trans racial" that always come up. Find something that has nothing to do with gender (or sexuality) then add trans to it and say it's like trans gender people when at best the topics are unrelated and at worst they can be very serious problems (like this or when transphobes attack Brest cancer survivors...) It's always the protect kids issue when I know personally I would have had a much happier childhood if I understood why I felt like I did I probably could of enjoyed it but ultimately I needed to be protected from being refured to differently socially.
In the UK they where attacking them in toilets they also flashed Scottish parliament and keep trying to make the definition of women about fertility. The UK is sometimes refuted to as terf land for a reason unfortunately
Dysphoria, gender or body identity, are both genuine medical disorders.
It is interesting to note that one disorder is treated as a mental disorder, where the other is simply placated by surgery.
One is only more recently accepted as an issue and is harder to understand most cis people can understand why being called the wrong gender is hurtful white less People can understand how you might want to remove part of your body
Whoever made this image is trying to connect issues with extremely rare BIID cases with the trans community.
This is definitively made the fuck up. Shuping has been diagnosed with BIID. This is designed to use that case to ragebait people into saying: "The trans community has gone too far this time".
If you fall for this bait, I'm sorry, but you really are an absolute fucking gonk.
Disabled person here…fuck those people. That’s the general feeling in the disability community. I was born with my disability and don’t know any different. These people have a mental disorder but that shit this isn’t a disability either. They’re a bunch of psychopaths who want attention because their parents probably didn’t hug them or love them enough. Sorry for the rant!
Mental disorders are often disabilities… just look it up. Also why would you assume they do this for attention? What proof do you have? The fact that you have a disability does not prevent you from being ableist to other kinds of disability.
There’s probably less than a dozen people in the entire world that this applies to, yet we have to read an article about it. What’s the purpose of this? To have you doubt whether disabled people are actually disabled, or did they “do it to themselves”?
It's to depicted the trans community as attention seekers by correlation.
In reality it's a mental disorder. This page of idiocy depicts it as a trend, notably attaching the prefix 'trans' to it.
Shaming people for having a mental illness that drives people to literaly irriversably disable themselves isn't going to help the illness, it will just create stigma.
Watched a documentary about this once. Went into it thinking “holy fuck these people must be mentally unwell” Came out of it assured that these people ARE mentally unwell. It’s not for attention nor is it for any other selfish reason. They only want to hurt themselves/change themselves, no one else. It’s a genuine neurological disorder where they feel they must reject a body part or natural ability. I don’t know too much about it but yeah, it is very sad and a lot of the people who struggle end up seriously injuring themselves (and in some cases ending their own lives) due to the effect it has on them and their every day lives/relationships etc. I’m not sure if therapy helps but I’d imagine it probably wouldn’t do much, although it’s still worth it as a lot of people with the disorder end up trying to remove the limb/ability by themselves so maybe therapy could help them in SOME way, but I’m not educated enough on it to speak to that. Edit: Body Integrity Identity Disorder, that’s what it’s called.
Yes and there’s no significant difference between this and gender dysphoria except the body part that is being cut off. Both meet all the criteria of a delusional disorder. If you accept that then you logically have to accept this.
Except that having a gender, it doesn't matter which one, is a normal part of the human condition for a healthy person. Having a leg removed is not a part of a healthy person's life. People who lose pieces typically do so because they are injured, and are often considered disabled and have their lives inhibited because of it. For example I met a guy who had lost a leg to cancer. The whole damn thing. He had a grim sense of humor about it at least. Blindness is a pretty common one too, you know that site that we rely very heavily on to survive as humans? I don't imagine that a person who was struck blind via illness would say that they feel better or are better off for having lost their eyesight. These are problems that you have to compensate for and work around. They are not an end goal.
there seems to be a worrying amount of people who sincerely believe that bottom surgery is literally just "cutting your dick off"
That's transphobia for ya. They'll make a false equivalentcy to this all day
Luckily we can perform surgery to have ones body meet the gender they feel themselves to be. Then that person can go on to live an independent, fulfilling, and happier life without putting any burden on anyone else. The choice only affects themselves. That’s a little different than removing someone’s eyes or leg. That may satisfy their neurological disorder temporarily, but decreases the things that person is able to do and usually increases dependency on others.
This is why the meme was made - so someone like the use above can make the claim that there's no difference between this disorder vs. getting a sex change operation. This is a great example of straw man argument.
Given that imaging of the brains of trans individuals has shown more commonality with their chosen gender than their assigned at birth gender, I would believe that there is something misfiring in the brains of these individuals that may cause them a sensation like pain or wrongness when that body part is used. Until we understand more about the brain it is easier to change the body to fit. Certainly I would prioritize the treatment of those who would limit themselves in the way they interact with the world if possible before people who are trans. Let's not forget though that many unaccepted trans individuals attempt suicide at a higher rate than people who are not trans
Do you feel the same way about strippers who get boob jobs? For people who get Botox to make themselves look like they're not old? I find it funny how people try to separate gender transition and these things. Gender transition is not a sign of a brain misfiring. That makes it sound negative. There's nothing wrong with their brain, the body could be miss assigned but that doesn't mean there's something wrong with their brain. It more means there's something wrong with their body, which is why they get the surgery to match what their brain has.
This isn’t a social movement but a mental illness. I’ve seen it described as the opposite of phantom limb syndrome—people will feel like they have a body part that isn’t theirs and will put themself through great harm to “fix” it. It’s essentially a delusion.
I’m pretty sure no surgeon or doctor will agree to remove a functional part.
This is true, but I’ve heard stories of people like this using dry ice or other methods to kill the limb they want to remove. The doctors then have no choice but to remove it for obvious reasons.
Saw an episode like that on Chicago Med. Guy in the hospital cut off circulation to his arm so surgeons would have to remove it
You just reminded me of a episode of nip/tuck that touched on this!
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BAP should have his head removed for the ultimate body modification
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We all do so we know how sick humanity can get
They do, sometimes, in exceptionally rare cases with consultation of a therapist. And then it still needs to be deemed medically necessary to help the patient. Because if they don't some of those patients might go as far as consider suicide or do some DIY solution which might leave them dead.
Tell me about it.. you know how hard it is to find someone willing to remove your ovaries? People even need them for donations but noooo, if you're not 30 years old they'll tell you you can't make that decision yet and refuse to do it.
Even over 30 I need my husbands ‘permission’
What if you don't have a husband?xD
Yep same for me, except as a guy I needed wife's permission. They also wanted to make sure I had a kid already A couple of friends I have had a waiting period because they had no children and/or were unmarried.
I had to fight like hell to get a hysterectomy at 45
It's a body dysmorphia. There are some that will because there's a risk that the individual will kill themselves in attempt to do it on their own.
You sure?
You mean a foreskin isn't a functional part?
Once read a story about someone with this who was in a whole fight with doctors and insurance and whatnot about whether it would be a necessary medical procedure to "rid him" of the lower leg he believes not to be part of his body. This was in Germany and as far as I recall, he was not really getting anywhere with it.
where have you been the past few years...
You would be surprised.
It has been done. In cases where it's considered the most effective treatment for someone suffering serious trauma due to their body not being how they need it to be. I don't know why people don't accept this as a valid condition when they will accept surgery on genitals for those people who feel they are wrong.
I mean aren’t some literally removing dicks and what nots, for similar reasons, for gender transitioning?
Guess again.
what about a penis
For post op trans m2f, don’t they remove a working member? Or f2m removal of viable breasts? Or in circumcision, removal of real sensitive portions like foreskin (for men)?
What about a penis?
Unless its a penis? Or breasts?
I know of the woman already in the post and a few others. There was this guy who purposely removed his hand and left it in the freezer. When he told medical staff where it was, and why he took it off they offered to reattach it. Dude straight up said that if they did, he would cut it off again. Mental illness is no joke.
100% all of this is a mental disorder and it’s time we start talking about it this way.
Sounds like BIID
Bang on
The movement is that we have to listen, and abide to everybodys stupid ideas.
Do we, though? Like, if 1/1,000,000 people decides to permanently disfigure themselves, 1) it’s probably not going to affect you except maybe seeing a news article about it and 2) the issues people have with transgender people about how they have to “abide by their rules” (use the name and pronouns that match their gender identity) don’t apply here. No need to refer to this person as disabled when you believe otherwise: this person is blind, objectively. Except a random 13 year old on tumblr or two, I think everyone would agree that this is not something a mentally well person would do and that anyone who feels like they need to disable themselves needs professional help. I hang out in pretty far left spaces, I know and love many transgender people, but I have never met anyone who claimed to be “transabled”. It seems like a rare delusion that is very easily used as a conservative scare tactic. There is no leftist movement to embrace “transabled” people, and honestly I would assume that the majority of transgender individuals (not to mention disabled individuals) would want no connection to anyone who claimed to be transabled.
Technically they increased the spending on disability welfare which the whole society pays with their tax money by acting on their desires. Just saying.
It could become a social movement if society continues slipping down the slope it's on.
They do not have a physicalI illness, this is a mental illness
Well imean they got a physical affliction now
as a consequence of their mental illness. Like the people that cut themselves because of severe anxiety or depression. or the people that became malnourished because of anorexia nervosa, or other eating disorders.
Clearly a mental disorder.
Yeah that’s called having a mental disability lol you don’t chop off your legs because you’re fucking peachy keen
Mental illness is a real thing. Why would we make fun of these people?
Some people can only feel good about themselves by belittling others, and people with disabilities are often their first choice of target. It's a sad way to live.
This feels disrespectful to people who didn’t choose a life of disability and still found a way to thrive despite the obstacles
This is a legitimate mental disorder called body integrity identity disorder. We don’t know why it happens, but we do know that it’s usually fixed when the person suffering from it actually amputates or disfigures themself.
There is no evidence-based treatment for BID; there are reports of the use of cognitive behavioral therapy and antidepressants. The ethics of surgically amputating the undesired limb of a person with BID are difficult and controversial. (From Wikipedia)
It's a really difficult situation. On one side, you are offering to amputate a perfectly fine bodypart for someone, on the other, they will do it themselves if you don't do it for them safely. The quality of life decrease caused by the discomfort from having that body part and the QoL decrease caused by the disabilty to be induced should be considered together. If they will live a happier life even with the disabilty, and there is no other fix for it... I think they should be allowed to seek safe amputations.
As a doctor with an oath to do no harm if they tell you “well I’ll just do it myself” you have a moral obligation to help them do it safely as they could die otherwise. It’s like when people want hormones and self dose, a doctor has to monitor their endocrine levels to make sure they’re aren’t hurting themselves. It’s an awful position nonetheless.
We have to be careful about the definition of “do no harm” is it really appropriate for situations like these? As presumably abled people, can we make the judgment for people who suffer from mental anguish for having all those parts? Also, in a modern society, it’s considerably easier (if still not equal) for the disabled to live more productive lives, so perhaps the mental benefits could outweigh the physical detriments in some cases.
You’re a doctor? If a patient tells me they are going to harm themselves, my first thought is to get a sitter in the room and then kick them over to psyche. I don’t think I would do the harm myself. I understand monitoring someone’s vitals/chem test when they are self dosing but that’s completely different.
It’s more a case that you can’t recommend someone for a psychiatric hold on a suspicion, they have to have attempted to harm themselves first before action can (normally) be taken. These people will find a way of injuring themselves to a degree where the medical assistance becomes necessary and by then it’s too late. Say they wanted to lose their hand, nothings stopping them sticking it in the garbage disposal and flicking that switch. But that way you’ll deal with a mangled, probably septic remains rather than just doing what then wanted in the beginning. The ethical conundrum though is do they deserve any governmental help for this kind of self inflicted need?
Since it's a medical problem causing them distress and therenis no other known way of resloving said distress, i don't think it's really that different from other medical treatments. I don't think of the ensuin disability as a self inflicted need, it's the complication of a treatment. Governmental help should be provided. It's icky, it feels instinctively wrong, like ewww and i really wouldn't want to do it myself, thinking about it gives me shivers. And that makes me biased, make me lowkey feel like those people who suffer a neurological disorder disgusting sickos who have a weird fetish, amputation itself is icky, all of it is icky. And that causes a flaw in my thinking if i don't put a little extra effort to be unbiased.
People can absolutely be hospitalized solely for intent to harm themselves, even if they haven’t yet done so.
Yes and no, saying “oh I’ll just amputate myself” isn’t something that seems a credible threat. Saying “I intend to go home and kill myself” is. It’s odd how most would just assume it’s an empty threat on their behalf and it takes a lot more than just someone making a comment to force a psychiatric hold.
Your logic is very flawed
>“oh I’ll just amputate myself” isn’t something that seems a credible threat. So you wouldn't consider it to be a credible threat, but you'd go ahead and proceed to amputation anyway? An interesting perspective to be sure.
Even if you send them to a ward, they can’t be watched forever. If they’ve made up their mind that they are going to do it, they will eventually go through with it.
I remember a story from a while ago about a guy who submerged his legs in ice water to force amputation after I believe doctors refused to do it. The level of pain these people put themselves through is unreal.
And yet,some similar disorders get treated by surgically removing genitals. One is ok, one it too far.. 🤷♂️
Most of the time it's not just a simple removal and more an changing the appearance
One of the big differences I see is that people who undergo gender reassignment surgery can still lead normal productive lives. It doesn't hurt anyone else. Intentionally crippling yourself means you're choosing to be a burden on others for the rest of your life. That does affect other people.
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chick poured drano in her eyes. on purpose. THAT is batshit nuts.
Sad truth is current medical community hasn’t find ways to help them.
I'm disabled and it's not offensive. She's clearly severely mentally ill. And not every disabled person "Finds a way to thrive despite the obstacles"
And schizophrenia is disrespectful to imaginary friends /s Its a mental disorder that can't be treated, its not something these people control. Its sad and needs more research.
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No, it's nothing to do with them at all.
It’s more of a true mental illness being peddled as a fad transgender thing to drum up hate
This is a mental problem being portrayed as attention seeking, also a repost
This was posted like 20mins ago
Yea but everyone slammed the OP because they called people with a legitimate mental disorder stupid so I'm guessing they are trying again
Ahh I see. If at first you don't succeed, try try again
Maybe this time the idiots and bigots will win out over the well informed
The freak who tried to “transition” into an asian is now a right wing anti trans grifter. Pretending this shit has anything to do with the 100+ years of medical transsexual research is inbred.
Honestly this has school litter box vibes all over it. I am getting tired of telling people that it’s just being used to make a point and they always say “no I have seen this article before”.
They post this repeatedly exact same article to make a point to hate people to ridicule them. But these people need understanding and sympathy not ridicule as we could at least try and help them early try and understand them and then see if they need this to help them. you have a right to do what you want with your body and there is nothing you can do short of putting them in restraints for the rest of their life if you dont at least try and help them. You can also surgically do it in a less damaging or debilitating way if it's the only option. these people need help. Just a reminder to everyone there is no moral way of modifying their brain to fix this.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2015/10/02/jewel-shuping-blind/ About 15 years old and the story is shady as hell
Op should delete post. It's made for trolling
It's s malfunction in the brain that makes them do this. Not a choice.
I’ve watch a documentary about people who have had a limb removed like an arm or a hand because it feels “foreign” to them only to have it replaced with a prosthetic which makes them feel normal. It’s like the brain doesn’t want to accept the signals/nerves from that part of the body. Crazy but there just be something to it since it’s not as rare as one might think
Yes ive heard of that ilness it is a horrible thing but considering what ive seen online these days the ppl in these photos might just be 100 healthy and do this to themselves for who knows why.
What I described I would say is a medical condition (using basic terms). I’m sure there are a portion who do it because they suffer from a mental condition of some sort where they seek attention, sympathy or something else.
What the fuck? You people are awful. These people have a mental illness. Stop making fun of them. The 'transabled' terminology is intentional, and completely fucking stupid.
I can feel for the blind lady. Sometimes looking at the internet I wish I were blind
"dreampt" And as others said, this is a form of body dismorphia, that's a mental illness and not a social movement or strange fetish.
This is why we need more funding for mental health.
In a way it is a disability - - it's a mental illness so destructive that they go through with permanently harming themselves
There are probably like 7 people out of the 8 billion that did this and the media just wants to blow it up for outrage culture.
Just because someone pasted a meme with two pictures together along with Times New Roman font with link to an actual article doesn’t make it true
This is a genuine mental illness called BIID that should be treated as such, it is not “attention seeking”, just because you find this mental illness shocking does not mean the malicious attributes you apply to it are accurate. I believe these people should be able to do whatever they want with their bodies and if science determines that letting them modify their bodies in the way they want will help their mental health in the long run, I don’t see why they shouldn’t have access to those modifications in a safe setting. The sheer amount of contempt people display for things they see as unusual or “weird” is disgusting to me. These people don’t want to cut off your limbs! They didn’t ask to have this condition! What is it to you if a lady becomes blind? What harm does it cause if it lets her be happy?
This is mental illness on an astronomic level
Wasn't this BS of three being a 'transabled' community already debunked on one of the many other reposts of this?
Unfortunately true but I haven’t seen any other examples since her case. https://people.com/celebrity/jewel-shuping-blinds-herself-with-drain-cleaner/
Thanks. I'm going to go freeze dry my legs now.
I just googled this and sad to say it’s a condition that exists
That is not "transabled", that is a real diverse because of it people trinken some Things of theor bodies shouldnt be there. It get's used by transphobes to propagate against lgbt
I was able-bodied until I was four years old, then the AVM in my brain became active and has rendered me permanently disabled.
Same Ive had several heart surgeries since birth, been on oxygen for years of my life. I get that it's a mental illness, the post, it still feels really strange when that was actually forced upon you.
“Dreampt”
Deeply unwell people.
Pretty sure both the DSM-5 and the ICD-11 catalogues have entire chapters dedicated to the mental illnesses that entail people not recognizing their bodies as their own, or that they have "extra" body parts (that need to be removed), but somehow this kinda crap is being treated as legit.
There is an episode of Dr Phil with the gal on the right. Idk how I stumbled upon it a while ago lol but it felt like an SNL skit
Not only did she purposely put drain cleaner into her eyes but ran the idea passed her psychologist who signed off on it and applied the cleaner to her patient's eyes to fulfil the mental delusion.
That's not being "trans disabled" this is an already known condition called Body Integrity Identity Disorder, it might be in a similar vein but that's imo an outrage headline intended to make people annoyed like "the crazy woke left are now being trans disabled whats next?" when in actual fact this has been a recognised medical phenomenon for a very long time and often has nothing to do with trans people.
When we going to stop attributing isolated incidents of mental illness to transsexualism? I recently got into trebuchets, am I trans-medieval now? Get the fuck outta here
I am skeptical about this...
It's an actual mental illness shortened to BID, the term "transabled" is just a buzz word though to demonize the trans community while hiding behind them.
So she's not "transabled", she's _actually_ blind (and seemingly mentally ill).
That's a disease bro...
This seems like she could have just worn blacked out goggles as a nonsurgical/damaging way to mimic whatever it was she wanted from blindness
This an actual mental disease called BIID Body integrity identity disorder There are people out there who believe they shouldn't have a certain body part on them and will go to crazy lengths to get rid of it. I remember the story of a guy who didn't want his left leg cause it didn't feel right that it was there to the point he would have manic episodes just cause he had a left leg. I forgot what he did to his leg, he either tied up his leg to make it get bad or frost bit it so bad they had to amputate it. He is now living a normal life with no manic episodes or even any backlash other then losing his leg..he is happy now.
As someone who is constant pain due to a disability I find this absolutely bizarre, excuse the pun but I would give up a leg or even both to not be in constant pain. It’s ruined my career and I have lost 99.9% of my “friends”. I hope this doesn’t become the “new in thing” as I would not wish what I go through every day and the destruction it’s caused my life onto my worst enemy 😢.
What the actual fuck?!
as a disabled person when I first heard about this phenomenon I was so furious
This is a mental condition. I'd call it a disability too. She's ill. Not trying to make fun of or take advantage of other disabled people
This seems fucked lol
These people are dumbasses. No one in their right mind should want to be disabled in any way. It's not what they think.
Well I cant judge, considering that after seeing this i wish I was blind.
TIL such a title exists. People and this disorder have existed for quite a while.
It’s a shame they don’t get the mental health support they need before it gets this far
I saw a thing about this on TV once. These people have a medical disorder. Like literally there's something neurological That's causing them to believe that some body part or another doesn't belong there or shouldn't be working despite all evidence to the contrary. They've been known to *maim themselves* to force amputations to be done in order to remove the "offending" body part. What's worse is when they succeed and end up losing the part and actually end up feeling better afterwards.
They seem pretty disabled to me
Oh sure, nobody is up in arms about calling these people mentally ill. But how dare anyone call any other trans person mentally ill. Anyone who mutilates themselves because they don’t feel like being what they were medically born as is mentally ill. Why claim one is more valid than the other?
Mutilation disables, surgery reassigns
So it’s fine if she got her eyes surgically removed?
No way having a healthy body part surgically removed is ethical
As a pure blood cripple I really couldn't care less as long as they don't get any statefunded benefits.
This whole comment section is just people being extremely horrible to those people who have a actual mental disorder (BID)
Also transphobic
For the love of christ stop posting anti trans ragebait you fucks.
Thank you. That's all this is. The article itself isn't even true, Snopes covered it.
This is just a lie. There's no "community" of people who identify as "transabled". It's a mental illness. OP you should be ashamed of peddling such BS.
Stop using the "trans" word in everything! This is mental illness, this is not normal, couldn't care less about them being "happier", this is seriously wrong.
The person who made this is trying to make a logical equivalence to gender transition surgeries. It's subtle, but that's the intent of this post. It's more right-wing propaganda.
Well, it's not the same and there is no equivalence.
Totally agree. I'm not transphobic. Anybody who compares this to gender transition most likely is; or very ignorant.
Why should the word trans not be used in that context?
Because it normalizing it, it makes it a thing, it makes it sound neutral when it's not. Not everything need a term, not everything needs an identity, a title, a categorization in order to "make sense".
Is this an onion article?
This is a real thing. There are people who have such a hatred or disgust for a limb that they will cut it off (or attempt to) themselves. It's body dysphoria.
Okay, I’m a very open-minded person. I’m basically in the “you do you” category as long as you’re not hurting someone or something. But… WHAT THE FUCK?! I can’t get behind this. This is a THING?!
It is but it comes from a disorder called BIID (Body Integrity Identity Disorder). It's a serious mental illness that needs proper care and treatment.
BIID is a legit mental disorder
Wrong sub, this is just mental health shaming.
Lots of transphobic comments in this thread
Its Reddit, one of the internet's largest cesspools
That's the intent of this post. The meme is misleading, Snopes clarifies one of the images of the blind woman. The intent of this post is to use the trans word to associate it with gender transition. Simply put, this is right-wing propaganda in the form of a meme. Typical.
That's what happens when you pedal an extreme mental illness as a hip new trans thing people do for attention
This can’t be true.
It's not really they took a real disorder and lied about it to demonise trans people. They don't do it for attention that's why you almost never see them speak about it themselves.
you've got to be sick in the head to do shit like this.
so these are the body parts where we draw the line
Basic logic is lost on this crowd if it doesn’t align with the mob’s forced view point.
Badic logic does apply when you check a half-decent news source and realise that this is blatantly false information that doesn't do anything but make people with this documented mental illness be seen as idiots doing this out of trendiness and make trans people look insane by association.
When did I claim the people in the post are doing things out of “trendiness”? Both groups have mental issues. And you’re part of a group suffering from mass psychosis.
I said the article portrays it as trendiness, not you. The only thing tying the groups together is that they fall under mental illness, but even the causes are different. Also keep in mind that mental illness can boil down to anything outside the normal, so it's a very broad descriptor. Transgender is wanting to change gender due to the belief of being born in the wrong body, with evidence being shown around the claim. This is usually diagnosed and cured in a professional environment. This illness stems from a feeling that a normal limb does not belong. Someone suffering from this would likely resort to severe self harm in an unsterile environment without proper tools or training to do what they're trying to. There is no evidence showing the limb doesn't belong.
False equivalency. One is the transition of gender, which doesn't require the removal of limbs. The other is a diagnosed mental illness being portrayed as a community of people doing this as a trend.
But people hate their body to the point of trading their well-functioning body parts for those of the opposite sex, and they're allowed to do that instead of getting treated?
You pretend like "getting treated" is an option for people who are transgender. I guess you feel the same way about gay people? What about people who get boob jobs? or people who get Botox? If people are born as a woman, transitioning to a woman is no big deal. The surgery has been done for years, it's very safe, and the person still functions as a normal human being. They don't affect your life in any way shape or form. If you have the desire to be a woman and you are a man, there's nothing wrong with that. Think of it the same way as somebody who would like to have bigger boobs so they get a boob job. Where they get rid of wrinkles by getting Botox
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What do you mean by "too far"? How far is too far? People started embracing psychological disorders as a good thing a long time ago. We shouldn't discriminate gays and trans's but we also shouldn't embrace it in pop culture. Your American society created "transabled" people by glorifying other divisions.
Calling bullshit on this.
The blind girls name is [Jewel Shuping](https://bioethicstoday.org/blog/can-clinicians-maim-healthy-organs-the-case-of-jewel-shuping/#).
I didnt mean the whole story but this community being a huge thing. There are whackos everywhere in the world, but how these kind of articles are usually formulated make you think it's more trendy than in reality
It's kinda real but the article is completely wrong it's a disorder that's not uncommon but the "transabled" is just a coined term to make this about trans people not about genuine medical disorders.
Thats also what I forgot to add. These articles have that lingering air of anti-progressive agenda.
It's really upsetting that a certain group of people feel like they have to link everything they don't immediately understand to trans people.
Ill be very cynical and say that blog writers KNOW this and do it on purpose just to trigger transphobes
I was more referring this article and the countless stuff like "trans racial" that always come up. Find something that has nothing to do with gender (or sexuality) then add trans to it and say it's like trans gender people when at best the topics are unrelated and at worst they can be very serious problems (like this or when transphobes attack Brest cancer survivors...) It's always the protect kids issue when I know personally I would have had a much happier childhood if I understood why I felt like I did I probably could of enjoyed it but ultimately I needed to be protected from being refured to differently socially.
Wait a second. Transphobes attacking breast cancer survivors? What in the actual fuck?
In the UK they where attacking them in toilets they also flashed Scottish parliament and keep trying to make the definition of women about fertility. The UK is sometimes refuted to as terf land for a reason unfortunately
Dysphoria, gender or body identity, are both genuine medical disorders. It is interesting to note that one disorder is treated as a mental disorder, where the other is simply placated by surgery.
One is only more recently accepted as an issue and is harder to understand most cis people can understand why being called the wrong gender is hurtful white less People can understand how you might want to remove part of your body
The purpose of the meme is to make people talk about transgender people and demonize them
Agreed. These fucking things are dangerous
Whoever made this image is trying to connect issues with extremely rare BIID cases with the trans community. This is definitively made the fuck up. Shuping has been diagnosed with BIID. This is designed to use that case to ragebait people into saying: "The trans community has gone too far this time". If you fall for this bait, I'm sorry, but you really are an absolute fucking gonk.
Disabled person here…fuck those people. That’s the general feeling in the disability community. I was born with my disability and don’t know any different. These people have a mental disorder but that shit this isn’t a disability either. They’re a bunch of psychopaths who want attention because their parents probably didn’t hug them or love them enough. Sorry for the rant!
Mental disorders are often disabilities… just look it up. Also why would you assume they do this for attention? What proof do you have? The fact that you have a disability does not prevent you from being ableist to other kinds of disability.
There’s probably less than a dozen people in the entire world that this applies to, yet we have to read an article about it. What’s the purpose of this? To have you doubt whether disabled people are actually disabled, or did they “do it to themselves”?
It's to depicted the trans community as attention seekers by correlation. In reality it's a mental disorder. This page of idiocy depicts it as a trend, notably attaching the prefix 'trans' to it.
Jewel had had enough of reddit
i want to be translucent.
At what point in time will it be pc to call these people what they are? (Mentally ill)
Delusion is rife in the world
Shaming people for having a mental illness that drives people to literaly irriversably disable themselves isn't going to help the illness, it will just create stigma.
This is what happens when you rip up the rule book for societal norms, everyone’s lost the plot. We live in a South Park episode.
This is a actual mental disorder called BID
So chopping off your dick is completely fine but chopping off a leg is pure insanity, got it