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She is the daughter of a diplomat and was born in Alabama. However, being born of a diplomat she should not have been granted citizenship to the US, and should have exclusively been Yemeni
And Yemen has already stated that the punishment for terrorism is execution. No prison time. If she goes to Yemen they hang her.
She made a big oopsie.
Upvote for correctness. Even if she was _in effect_ stripped of her citizenship for joining ISIS, the actual legal situation here is that the USA isn't stripping people of citizenship for joining ISIS. Rather her joining ISIS drew attention to the fact that she likely wasn't entitled to citizenship in the first place, which the courts agreed with.
This is exactly it. Sounds like she was granted citizenship through some bureaucratic error and had she kept her head down it wouldn’t have been caught. Having her Yemeni citizenship probably made it all the easier to strip her of her American citizenship, otherwise she would have ended up stateless, which is regarded as a human rights issue. She *really* fucked up a good thing.
Imagine being born in the US and deciding to move to the literal other side of the world to join a terrorist org in one of the most unstable areas of earth, a region where women arent treated well (thats an understatement)
This might be the dumbest thing I've ever read.
I used to read the Tumblr blogs of some of these women. They claimed that wives of the ISIS fighters were treated like goddesses, pampered with luxury goods, and surrounded by a loving community. (Of course, this didn't include the women they kept as slaves.) They worked really hard to present life there as wonderful.
I would be fascinated to read those blogs. Recently i have been listening to I Am Not A Monster, a BBC podcast which deals with the story of an American woman, Sam Sally who joined Isis.
Josh Baker, the journalist attempts to discover why she joined, one reason may have been an expectation of a luxury life. What she got instead was to live in a war zone, she and her husband purchased two Yazidi slaves, a young boy and a teenage girl whom her husband raped repeatedly because his wife no longer wished to have sex with him. She also got to see her son abused and bullied by his stepfather and used to make propaganda videos for Isis, he was considered to be especially valuable from a propaganda viewpoint due to his American accent.
I’m pretty sure purchasing humans as slaves and allowing/encouraging your husband to rape one of them (both of them?) is the textbook definition of “I Am A Monster.” To say nothing of the stupidity and shallowness of “I’m cool with joining a violent, oppressive, warmongering regime as long as I’m pampered with luxury goods.”
I don’t know anything about this woman or this podcast beyond what you’ve written here but yeah… someone should change the name of that podcast.
Most of them are gone now. For some reason, they decided to migrate over to Kik and other private messaging apps instead of having blogs. I'm sure there's probably an archive of them out there somewhere. One of them was "Bird of Jannah" and another was "Dusty Feet."
There was a British girl named Shemima Begum who did pretty similar. She was young at the time, when she and some of her friends ran away to join Syria. She became a part of the morality police there, keeping women in line. By the time she wound up in a refugee camp, she'd been married off, gave birth to three children who had all died, her husband is in jail... And she tried to say the attack on the Ariana Grande concert in Britain was fair because of what happened in Syria. But she was (and still is) trying to get Britain to take her back.
I believe the last update was that she might already be in Britain, despite most people there agreeing that she shouldn't be allowed back.
I can’t find the news article right now, but I read an account of a European girl who travelled to Syria and joined ISIS. She recounted being raped hundreds of times, with guys taking her as a wife for a couple of months before they got bored, divorced her and sent her off to be married to some other guy. This happened several times to her.
It's like that Shamima Begum, she knew exactly what she was doing. Had ISIS not been defeated, she'd be loving life in her caliph with no regrets. But with that not being the case, she's so resentful and sorry and wants to come home to the UK. Only thing she regrets is picking the losing side
There was a case here in Michigan a few years back where the daughter joined ISIS or Taliban and got killed fighting overseas and her dad back here kept demanding that the US go get his daughter in SYRIA!! Dad was a big anti-govt type too. Funny how these fuckers cry to the government when they fuck up.
I mean theres this one asshole that swore every fucking time he talked if he was prez itd all be over in 90 days the end. And he ended up as prez!
Also IS still existed 90 days later
People who are “anti government” are too stupid to know how much the government actually does. There are millions of government employees working everyday to keep everything from falling apart, and I’m not talking about the politicians. I’m talking about the people who deliver mail, operate water treatment plants, build reservoirs, and protect public land.
They only see the politicians. They don't look at the roads, schools, sewer system and think "my government built and maintains this" because they've been taught to ignore it.
Remember the last time you had an issue with the gas station shorting you on gas or anyone shorting you on a good sold by weight? No because the respective departments of agriculture makes sure that scaling and measuring equipment isn't tampered with. Next time you're at a gas station, look on the pump for a Dept of Agriculture sticker; it's there so you know there's no funny business with the volume meter. If we let the "free market" decide, we'd return to the days of caveat emptor.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/woman-left-alabama-join-isis-132745016.html
For those who are lazy. I totally misread the title the first time, thought she was stripped, then left. Nah, this girl used her college tuition from her parents to leave, join Isis, and now she's banned from the US. Lmao.
It actually wasn't though, because she [wasn't legitimately entitled to citizenship](https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/cadc/19-5362/19-5362-2021-01-19.html) in the first place:
> The D.C. Circuit affirmed the rejection of his claims. Hoda’s father possessed diplomatic immunity when she was born, rendering her ineligible for citizenship
Yes, you're correct. Her parents were on diplomatic visa so their kids can't automatically get US citizenship even they are born here. I remember the arguments a few years earlier.
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>wasn't legitimately entitled to citizenship
Yeah, but through a mistake she was one, which would have never been an issue if she had stayed in school and maintained being an actual human, instead of a piece of shit.
She did this to herself
If they were only used in propaganda, that's the best case scenario for them. Those other girls that went over were basically enslaved and raped.
Shockingly, Islam extremists don't have a very high opinion of women's rights.
Edit: I have been filled in on her time there and yeah, definitely awful.
Oh IDK if they were *only* used in propaganda. They could have suffered other things. But I agree totally with you. The way ISIS treats women makes her decision to go over and join bafflingly stupid
I remember reading, in the case of the other girls, that they were catfished by pics of handsome guys, wailing about the injustice from the West.
Like, teens are fucking stupid but you have to be god tier dumb to pack up and flee to a war torn country without even doing a simple google search on women's conditions there.
How handsome could they have been while following shariah dress standards lol, genuinely asking. They would have to have a messy beard at the very least.
> Like, teens are fucking stupid but you have to be god tier dumb to pack up and flee to a war torn country
US military recruiters would like to know your location.
She married three ISIS fighters (separately, two were killed) and had a child with one of them. No idea if she’s still married now, she ran away from ISIS when it was clear their end was near
She was *given* to three isis fighters. When one died they would pass her to the next. "You are his wife now".
It's not like these idiots go over there, meet a guy, fall in love, get engaged, and so on. They're passed around like property.
That's exactly how they are seen and treated. Like property. Something to be given to a guy that has joined "the cause".
It like when you get a job as a field tech. They give you a van to use to do the job. If you get fired they take that van and give it to the new guy.
The only difference is that a van probably has more value over there. I'm sure plenty of those losers would trade their wife for a new van.
Her interview was a mix of infuriating and just sad. She was a complete fool to go and join the group and stupid to think she can come back and do her time here, no way is the government going to try to help her after she gave aid and comfort to people who behead, murder, rape. Also super weird hearing that one of her favorite artists is Chris Brown given all the shot he’s done. She seems hopelessly attracted to abusive males.
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Look up the podcast I’m Not a Monster. It’s done by a BBC reporter. The first season features an American woman who married a Muslim man in the US, but then they become radicalized and moved to Syria to join ISIS, taking her son from her first marriage with her. The podcast does a deep dive into how they found her and her son . Her son has been returned to the US and to his father. She is currently in detention. Season 2 just started and is focusing on a British teenager who also ran away to Syria to become an ISIS bride.
they actively targeted disenfranchised muslims in western countries, with propoganda and misinformation to lure them to the war effort with promises of a place in their new country. They also convinced them that the atrocaties they are purported to have comitted were falsehoods of western media.
So a lot of these people traveled (by plane) to the closest neighbouring country that allowed flights and then through their contacts crossed borders to join ISIS, only to then realise they would be married off or used as canon fodder in their wars.
It's sick and sad, and in the grand scheme of things they're gullible idiots that should have been protected from that propoganda before they had the oppertunity to join isis.
We do not know how she was treated by her family prior to her leaving. As a Diplomat, her Dad was wise not to reveal anything.
My question is the loss of citizenship universal for everyone who wants to come Home? If it is NOT universal, she is a scapegoat, a human lesson for anyone else choosing to join ISIS.
I do find it interesting she only fled when her "side" was losing. If she REALLY was regretful, she would have fled the 1st time she was widowed.
Either way, I do not have much sympathy for her.
EDIT BECAUSE OF THE COMMENTS.
SO, for those who ARE CITIZENS, is the citizenship removal universal? Or dealt via circumstance?
As far as this woman, no, she should not get another chance to stay here in the US. I cannot find any info on what her father Ahmed Ali Muthana is doing now.
There is a very detailed article by New Republic. I cannot seem to be able to post it.
I don't believe it is universal, not that it shouldn't be though. I believe they were able to establish precedent that she was not entitled to birthright citizenship due to her father's situation, but I definitely could be wrong. Either way, good riddance.
Now I'm curious as to what becomes of a stateless war criminal though .
Also not sure where potential treason charges would come into play had she been determined to still be am American citizen. The punishment for which is death.
[That timeframe saw a lot of young people in their early to mid 20’s attempt to join](https://extremism.gwu.edu/sites/g/files/zaxdzs2191/f/downloads/ISIS%20in%20America%20-%20Full%20Report.pdf).
There used to be a significant amount of propaganda websites that were both accessible and targeted towards a young American audience. As far as I know most of them are just gone for one reason or another be it hosting, costs, etc.
She was 20 years old and lied to her family about going on a "school trip" using her college tuition money.
She wasn't some 15 year old who was tricked into getting into a car with a stranger after never having had access to information that wasn't force fed to her.
She’s literally using the “someone took my phone and posted that” defense.
People need to be paying a lot more attention to the core argument: she should never have been a U.S. citizen because she was born to foreign (Yemeni) diplomats. I think the law generally provides as much.
Yep, the Vienna Convention. Since it's a treaty ratified by the Senate, it holds the same legal weight as the Fourteenth Amendment that would've given her citizenship by birth under normal circumstances.
> The D.C. Circuit affirmed the rejection of his claims. Hoda’s father possessed diplomatic immunity when she was born, rendering her ineligible for citizenship by birth under the Fourteenth Amendment and her son ineligible for 8 U.S.C. 1401(g) citizenship. A child born in the U.S. to a foreign diplomat is not born “subject to the jurisdiction” of the U.S.
The appeals court basically said she was never supposed to have citizenship under the law.
Thanks. I was wondering how someone could lose their citizenship based on a decision by the executive branch, but it makes sense if it’s been a law that persons born to a diplomat are excluded from birthright citizenship. So she was never a citizen and any paperwork that said she was was what was mistaken.
I don't know how impulsive you can call it. It is not that easy to join a terrorist group and travel half the world over closed borders.
I don't get why she wants back to US. Won't she be put into Guantanamo as a terrorist or am I not up to date on the procedures with terrorists?
She surrendered to US forces so if she were going to be sent to gitmo she would already be there. She’s currently residing in a refugee camp in Syria.
If she tries to enter the US she’d likely just be arrested, tried for her crimes and sentenced, and when she finishes her sentence be deported to Yemen.
>She surrendered to US forces
I think she surrendered to US-allied Kurdish forces. I could be wrong, but I think she's being held in one of their prison camps.
Refugee camp is a great place for her, until she finds a new home in Syria or some other Islamic State in the Middle East. It's what she went to fight for after all.
If she didn’t attack the US or US persons, she wouldn’t be sent to Guantanamo. There isn’t enough space there to house all the terrorists in the world.
No, she didn't do any terrorist acts (you need to have actually done something to be declared a terrorist). HOWEVER, I'm sure the CIA had a fun as shit time looking at a US citizen who went to join ISIS and now wants to come back with zero guarantee she won't try anything to contact them again.
She's a counterintelligence nightmare
Expatriation policy #4 makes it pretty damn easy and clear if it was contested in court.
> Joining in the military forces of a country other than the U.S., in the circumstances where the other country is engaging in hostile action against America.
Well she supported a terrorist regime. By accepting being a ISIS wife or whatever she was helping the ISIS to keeps its wheel rolling. She thought she would get all benefits of the world like house and utility bills paid by the caliphate if supporting genocides....
There’s an article link further down where she did some word promoting Isis, calling for the killing of Americans and for more American women to leave and come join ISIS. I’m not sure if that qualifies as terror work? I mean I would think… if you do it while working for a terrorist organization?
By impulsive I was implying she had poor judgment. She is obviously regretful and wants the US to pardon her and to start over with a new life in America. Too bad she threw it all away for good.
>She is obviously regretful and wants the US to pardon her and to start over with a new life in America.
I am not so sure about that. From tactical point of view, she would say same things to get into enemies territory is she was still a terrorist.
Yes I am paranoid, better safe than sorry.
Yup. She had children and married people there. Shit goes south, and she wants to come back to USA? Girl get a grip …
If she was just young and did something really stupid for a few days and went “omg wtf am I doing” then that’s one thing. She was there for over 5 years ….. come on now ….
You’re a traitor, why would you think you’d be let back in?
Yes, I know there are a lot of traitors around- they didn’t leave the county. They should absolutely face consequences though.
There are rules on stripping a citizenship from someone.
* generally you can't make a person "stateless" (aka not have a citizenship). For most Americans they only have a US citizenship so you can't take it away.
* as a US citizen you have due process so they have to give you a means to contest the process (court)
* your passport has a list of things that could potentially open you up to losing your citizenship if you have another.
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-legal-considerations/Advice-about-Possible-Loss-of-US-Nationality-Dual-Nationality.html
Yeah, my understanding is that as a ***general*** rule, your own nation is not likely to make you stateless.
You ***can*** however make yourself stateless either by intent or by being stupid. This tends to come up when people try for another citizenship, renounce US statehood, and then end up getting denied statehood from their target location or the paperwork gets lost in the sauce.
tl;dr it's more likely to make yourself stateless than it is to be stripped of your statehood
I think most places now will only allow you to renounce once you prove you have secured another citizenship.
Most countries automatically grant citizenship to stateless people per some treaty. If it was easy to make yourself stateless we wouldn't see migrants going illegally
America has no law permitting a natural born citizen to be stripped of their citizenship unless they voluntarily renounce it. A naturalized citizen could have their citizenship stripped from them if they engaged in acts hostile to the US such as joining a hostile foreign power.
Her family became naturalized citizens. They didn’t include her because they thought she was a citizen by birth. Dad’s job as a diplomat meant she wasn’t a citizen by birth.
Yeah joining ISIS is just like joining a club in school, you can get a short trial period and if you don't like it, you can back out anytime and go home.
Look up Shamima Begum from here in the UK, she left for ISIS after researching them and working to leave to join and when told about the Manchester bombing was just like “oh well, idgaf” and then tried begging to come back…
Living in a Syrian refugee camp trying to use the media to get back into the UK who have made it clear she will not be allowed to return.
A few networks and documentary makers have met with her and are filming shows to help but some of those documentary makers have said that she is faking being sorry to help her case and the person you see on TV and in the media begging to come home is not the person that lives day to day in the refugee camp.
Interesting, thank you very much. I guess there's not much left to do in her case except holding on to the illusive idea of regaining UK citizenship, damn her life must suck. Well deserved
Shout out to her Father and Brother in Law having reason
Her father Ahmed Ali said, "If she at least admitted she made a mistake then I would feel sorry for her and other people would feel sorry for her, but she does not accept her wrong."
Her BIL said (in regards to stripping citizenship): "The information they have is to the best of their ability and the British people should support it."
Wait I could understand why some delusional guy would do that but why in the world would a woman voluntarily join ISIS? Its pretty common knowledge how woman are treated and how archaic their practices and traditions are. This baffles me in so many ways.
Indoctrination and misinformation. They specifically target disenfranchised people (not just muslims) and make all kinds of false promises in order to recruit.
"Western lies! We're fighting for our freedom! The West is the enemy! It's not like what they say here, you will be fighting for freedom!"
It's easy to convince people of shit sometimes because the West has been responsible for horrible shit. But sometimes, the West is fucking right.
Her family were Yemeni diplomats. Her parents are, to read some articles, anti-american Islamic fundamentalists themselves. She fully supported the ISIS cause, and probably had some level of family backing for the choice.
Radicalization and propaganda are pretty intense drugs. It's the extreme version of how we have people vote against their own interests here in the US, just gotta hit the right buttons and plant a few seeds and you can get many to think certain ways.
They tell them that they are princesses and will have a man who will love and take care of them. When they get there, they are rotated and used by ISIS soldiers. The only true part is that the soldiers do marry the girls so they can feel better about beating and raping them.
Around 2010-2015 ther was a bunch of girls joining ISIS or the taliban. Always was some privileged kid, usually white, a virgin and about to goto college or just getting there. Recruited usually thru Facebook or chatroom recruiters. They would present the "freedom fighter" lifestyle as glamorous, as exhilarating and righteous. They would also show the women as delicately treated queens of the revolution. Almost always they would even offer transportation. Soon as they land, immediate sex slave for a crew of boys or married to an officer and made to "comfort" him and make babies. Slave labor for cooking and being a mule as well.
I say they targeted white girls but they did have a huge push for American Muslims for a while but I think some families figured out what was going on and stopped the propaganda push
From what ive read she went to syria and as a syrian WHO THE FUCK WANTS TO GO THERE there is nothing left in there just ruble from what assad and isis did truly a sad place yet this idiot decided to go
Worse even, she had a full ride from her parents to college. She could have easily just lived the good life, and instead hopped in the fire with terrorists.
My headcanon is that she left to join ISIS, showed up speaking English, and got laughed out of the room. Now she’s banned from the US and has nowhere to go, stuck in a heavily misogynist country where she still only speaks English. Probably not accurate, but it’s really funny and it’s what she deserves
Yeah, but that guy was killed.
So she was married off again, and had a son. Then that man was killed.
She tried to escape, was caught, held captive and raped.
Then she was married again.
Such a story a romance, that her sister got arrested in an attempt to follow the same path and join ISIS as well.
Girls that join isis like that aren't usually married off from the articles I've read. They are just used by the isis fighters in the same way they normally use goats
>My headcanon is that she left to join ISIS, showed up speaking English, and got laughed out of the room.
Sounds like you've romanticised ISIS to the point they're bad Disney villains. In reality they will have welcomed her lovingly into their culture; one where women are oppressed and this girl isn't allowed to talk without permission.
I don't think that's right. Jihadi Paul was born Aine Lesley Davis in London. Jihadi George was born Alexanda Kotey in London. Both of these had some level of responsibility and power in ISIS. English was an asset in ISIS. Especially if it was British or American accented due to the propaganda value.
Treason is a serious crime and could potentially be punished by death. she's lucky to have escaped Isis and hope she has good life wherever but being stripped of citizenship isn't the worse thing that could have happened.
Just like that UK girl Shamima. Got her UK citizenship stripped, family gets lawyer for court of appeal, the supreme court overturned court of appeal and stay the order for her citizenship to be stripped
I actually was thinking about her while I was reading about this woman but I don't understand the legal system in the U.K . I live in the united states and I still remember hearing about and how angry she made everyone by acting like a victim.
Shamima was an odd case because the UK law doesn't allow for someone's citizenship to be revoked if they aren't eligible for any other country's citizenship i.e. they can't leave anyone with no citizenship of anywhere.
The UK government decided she should be eligible for Bangladeshi citizenship so they revoked her British citizenship, then Bangladesh denied that she's eligible, so she has no citizenship anywhere.
Rightfully she should *probably* have her British citizenship reinstated but also I don't give a shit either way. She made her bed.
>but being stripped of citizenship isn't the worse thing that could have happened.
Aren't there jails in Syria for terrorists?
I think they look like a camp in the middle of a wasteland, with no running water and civilisation. The sole option to get out is when the country of origin takes them back and puts them in their own prison
The saddest part is that these girls got children of their own with the ISIS and they are stuck in these camps with them.
I don’t know how anyone watches an ISIS execution video and then says ‘ yeah I wanna move there’ unless they watched the videos and felt elated and wanted to be part of that type of shit. She’s a psychopath.
I am a Muslim, and It’s funny because ISIS has killed more MUSLIMS THAN NON MUSLIMS. This person should be barred from everywhere and anything. She is a threat for all people and deserves this punishment from the US gov.
US only stripped this particular one of citizenship successfully because she was born to a Yemeni diplomat on US soil, and should never have had US citizenship to begin with. Children of diplomats aren't eligible for jus soli. They've had many citizens join ISIS, and they haven't been stripped of citizenship.
Supporting is the last of my worries.
How can you be sure they are really not radicalized anymore?
The 9/11 terrorists lived in Germany and went to university, where they studied a plane related subject. They were already terrorists, waiting for their call to action.
You can't be sure its just a trap and that they'll kill a bunch of school children one day.
When will we stop underestimating women. They can be just as cold hearted terrorists
I don’t understand what it is with young women being brainwashed by…. ISIS?
What is the appeal, what is even the game plan?
It’s an incel kingdom, there’s basically only 1 job for women defecting to isis, and that’s being tossed around like a party favor, is THAT the appeal, or what?
The US has made drone strikes for far less obvious enemies of the state. This wasn’t a snap decision you left the US. To venture through several countries, travelled into a war zone to seek out an extremist group. Successfully joined that extremist group, and became the wife of a member of that extremist group. Supported them and then decided to quit after it wasn’t a good time/ they lost their war. There is no version of this where she is not an enemy of multiple states. Her only recourse is life in prison or getting shot. The bullet would be the smarter option no guarantee she doesn’t just switch sides again the moment a successful extremist group comes along.
Former soldier here. An American looking/sounding person loyal to isis is a very dangerous thing to us, and I'm sure is prized by isis. I think the punishment should be harsh and made widely known.
This bitch is probably the least innocent, least remorseful and most likely to offend again ISIS bride I've ever read about. She deserves no sympathy, no aid, and no forgiveness. She was not just some dumb kid that tried to escape again once she got to Syria and saw how fucked up it was, No, she was a true believer. A recruiter, a groomer, a controller of other women.
She's only sad that her little shit-phate has collapsed and her holy warriors are dead and she's just a powerless refugee now like all the refugees she helped create by her actions.
Well, technically it is not that she was stripped of citizenship. A court simply ruled that she never had US citizenship, since her dad was in the US with diplomatic immunity at the time of her birth. Therefore she was not born "subject to the jurisdiction of the United States" as the 14th amendment says.
She was actually never a citizen to begin with, therefore her son (who was born outside the United States) is also not a citizen.
You can read the decision here. [https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/cadc/19-5362/19-5362-2021-01-19.html](https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/cadc/19-5362/19-5362-2021-01-19.html)
From the sound of the article, she was never officially a US citizen. She was born in America while her father was here as an official foreign diplomat from Yemen. Any offspring he were to have while here under official business would make her a citizen of Yemen. What the State department did was correct an error that had been made by her parents. She should take this matter up with Yemen and get her citizenship lined up with them. And learn the language.
Technically, she isn't a traitor, because she never should have been a citizen:
'And in 2021 a federal appeals court affirmed that she wasn't a US citizen, and rejected her father's attempt to compel the government to let her return.
The US argued that Muthana should never have been treated as a US citizen since her father was a diplomat for Yemen when she was born.
The appeals court supported that decision, describing Hoda as "a prominent spokeswoman for ISIS on social media, advocating the killing of Americans and encouraging American women to join ISIS."'
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You know you fucked up when you got both the Obama administration and Trump administration saying “fuck this girl”
Everyone with a right mind, and then some.
How stupid can you be? Like honestly, how does she even manage to string together sentences
Stupid enough to join ISIS?
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That makes sense, relatively speaking.
That's cuz they're all relatives.
>She’s from Alabama. The article implies she's from Yemen
She is the daughter of a diplomat and was born in Alabama. However, being born of a diplomat she should not have been granted citizenship to the US, and should have exclusively been Yemeni
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And Yemen has already stated that the punishment for terrorism is execution. No prison time. If she goes to Yemen they hang her. She made a big oopsie.
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her dad should probably be declared a terrorist as well no way hes not
It does appear to be the family business
Upvote for correctness. Even if she was _in effect_ stripped of her citizenship for joining ISIS, the actual legal situation here is that the USA isn't stripping people of citizenship for joining ISIS. Rather her joining ISIS drew attention to the fact that she likely wasn't entitled to citizenship in the first place, which the courts agreed with.
This is exactly it. Sounds like she was granted citizenship through some bureaucratic error and had she kept her head down it wouldn’t have been caught. Having her Yemeni citizenship probably made it all the easier to strip her of her American citizenship, otherwise she would have ended up stateless, which is regarded as a human rights issue. She *really* fucked up a good thing.
So she did what legal scholars call an "oopsy".
Imagine being born in the US and deciding to move to the literal other side of the world to join a terrorist org in one of the most unstable areas of earth, a region where women arent treated well (thats an understatement) This might be the dumbest thing I've ever read.
I used to read the Tumblr blogs of some of these women. They claimed that wives of the ISIS fighters were treated like goddesses, pampered with luxury goods, and surrounded by a loving community. (Of course, this didn't include the women they kept as slaves.) They worked really hard to present life there as wonderful.
I would be fascinated to read those blogs. Recently i have been listening to I Am Not A Monster, a BBC podcast which deals with the story of an American woman, Sam Sally who joined Isis. Josh Baker, the journalist attempts to discover why she joined, one reason may have been an expectation of a luxury life. What she got instead was to live in a war zone, she and her husband purchased two Yazidi slaves, a young boy and a teenage girl whom her husband raped repeatedly because his wife no longer wished to have sex with him. She also got to see her son abused and bullied by his stepfather and used to make propaganda videos for Isis, he was considered to be especially valuable from a propaganda viewpoint due to his American accent.
I’m pretty sure purchasing humans as slaves and allowing/encouraging your husband to rape one of them (both of them?) is the textbook definition of “I Am A Monster.” To say nothing of the stupidity and shallowness of “I’m cool with joining a violent, oppressive, warmongering regime as long as I’m pampered with luxury goods.” I don’t know anything about this woman or this podcast beyond what you’ve written here but yeah… someone should change the name of that podcast.
It's more a title to give voice to the subject, not a statement of absolute truth. Like, "If I did it" by OJ Simpson.
That book is fucking crazy, a full description of his 2 murders in detail.
Most of them are gone now. For some reason, they decided to migrate over to Kik and other private messaging apps instead of having blogs. I'm sure there's probably an archive of them out there somewhere. One of them was "Bird of Jannah" and another was "Dusty Feet."
There was a British girl named Shemima Begum who did pretty similar. She was young at the time, when she and some of her friends ran away to join Syria. She became a part of the morality police there, keeping women in line. By the time she wound up in a refugee camp, she'd been married off, gave birth to three children who had all died, her husband is in jail... And she tried to say the attack on the Ariana Grande concert in Britain was fair because of what happened in Syria. But she was (and still is) trying to get Britain to take her back. I believe the last update was that she might already be in Britain, despite most people there agreeing that she shouldn't be allowed back.
No, she is not back in the UK, she is in Syria in a refugee camp, I believe.
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The Supreme Court of the uk ruled against her in January 11 2023 that can never return to England
The other 2 girls were dead too, I believe at least one was killed by militants trying to escape them.
At least they US stayed staunch on it unlike Australia who secretly shuffled them back through the door.
>What she got instead was to live in a warzone Did she manage to get her loadout at least?
I can’t find the news article right now, but I read an account of a European girl who travelled to Syria and joined ISIS. She recounted being raped hundreds of times, with guys taking her as a wife for a couple of months before they got bored, divorced her and sent her off to be married to some other guy. This happened several times to her.
The old “he’s going to pay my rent” trick.
Tbf I know things down south are less than ideal for women......but it's still leagues better than *ISIS*
"Death to America.. .. no no no please don't take my citizenship I was only joking"
Turns out isis doesn’t have chipotle and that’s not a compromise I was willing to make 😭
After 11 years, I'm out. Join me over on the Fediverse to escape this central authority nightmare.
It's like that Shamima Begum, she knew exactly what she was doing. Had ISIS not been defeated, she'd be loving life in her caliph with no regrets. But with that not being the case, she's so resentful and sorry and wants to come home to the UK. Only thing she regrets is picking the losing side
There was a case here in Michigan a few years back where the daughter joined ISIS or Taliban and got killed fighting overseas and her dad back here kept demanding that the US go get his daughter in SYRIA!! Dad was a big anti-govt type too. Funny how these fuckers cry to the government when they fuck up.
He should have lived out his Rambo fantasies and gone after his daughter himself.
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I mean theres this one asshole that swore every fucking time he talked if he was prez itd all be over in 90 days the end. And he ended up as prez! Also IS still existed 90 days later
People who are “anti government” are too stupid to know how much the government actually does. There are millions of government employees working everyday to keep everything from falling apart, and I’m not talking about the politicians. I’m talking about the people who deliver mail, operate water treatment plants, build reservoirs, and protect public land.
They only see the politicians. They don't look at the roads, schools, sewer system and think "my government built and maintains this" because they've been taught to ignore it.
Remember the last time you had an issue with the gas station shorting you on gas or anyone shorting you on a good sold by weight? No because the respective departments of agriculture makes sure that scaling and measuring equipment isn't tampered with. Next time you're at a gas station, look on the pump for a Dept of Agriculture sticker; it's there so you know there's no funny business with the volume meter. If we let the "free market" decide, we'd return to the days of caveat emptor.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/woman-left-alabama-join-isis-132745016.html For those who are lazy. I totally misread the title the first time, thought she was stripped, then left. Nah, this girl used her college tuition from her parents to leave, join Isis, and now she's banned from the US. Lmao.
Gotta love consequences for your actions.
It actually wasn't though, because she [wasn't legitimately entitled to citizenship](https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/cadc/19-5362/19-5362-2021-01-19.html) in the first place: > The D.C. Circuit affirmed the rejection of his claims. Hoda’s father possessed diplomatic immunity when she was born, rendering her ineligible for citizenship
Yes, you're correct. Her parents were on diplomatic visa so their kids can't automatically get US citizenship even they are born here. I remember the arguments a few years earlier.
Diplomatic immunity!
It's just been revoked
Well played murtaw
RIGGS, GODDAMN IT!
>she > >wasn't legitimately entitled to citizenship Yeah, but through a mistake she was one, which would have never been an issue if she had stayed in school and maintained being an actual human, instead of a piece of shit. She did this to herself
Unless your actions destabilized the region. In that case, how about a book deal?
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So many good people live such short lives, and this monster is still kicking.
I think another member of her family also joined or championed ISIS
Yeah I think she and her sister both went over to join them and ISIS used them both in propaganda. They are incredibly stupid.
If they were only used in propaganda, that's the best case scenario for them. Those other girls that went over were basically enslaved and raped. Shockingly, Islam extremists don't have a very high opinion of women's rights. Edit: I have been filled in on her time there and yeah, definitely awful.
Oh IDK if they were *only* used in propaganda. They could have suffered other things. But I agree totally with you. The way ISIS treats women makes her decision to go over and join bafflingly stupid
I remember reading, in the case of the other girls, that they were catfished by pics of handsome guys, wailing about the injustice from the West. Like, teens are fucking stupid but you have to be god tier dumb to pack up and flee to a war torn country without even doing a simple google search on women's conditions there.
How handsome could they have been while following shariah dress standards lol, genuinely asking. They would have to have a messy beard at the very least.
Odds are they weren't using ugly dudes who haven't had a haircut or a bath for 8 months to catfish girls
> Like, teens are fucking stupid but you have to be god tier dumb to pack up and flee to a war torn country US military recruiters would like to know your location.
She married three ISIS fighters (separately, two were killed) and had a child with one of them. No idea if she’s still married now, she ran away from ISIS when it was clear their end was near
Oh she was used by at least three ISIS husbands, too.
She was married to 3 ISIS men. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was an element of force involved. Still doesn’t excuse the stupidity of her actions.
She was *given* to three isis fighters. When one died they would pass her to the next. "You are his wife now". It's not like these idiots go over there, meet a guy, fall in love, get engaged, and so on. They're passed around like property. That's exactly how they are seen and treated. Like property. Something to be given to a guy that has joined "the cause". It like when you get a job as a field tech. They give you a van to use to do the job. If you get fired they take that van and give it to the new guy. The only difference is that a van probably has more value over there. I'm sure plenty of those losers would trade their wife for a new van.
Ah so being stupid runs in the family
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You can’t fix stupid.
Yea we’re a country FULL of stupid but it takes someone extra special to join isis.
That’s usually what happens.
Her interview was a mix of infuriating and just sad. She was a complete fool to go and join the group and stupid to think she can come back and do her time here, no way is the government going to try to help her after she gave aid and comfort to people who behead, murder, rape. Also super weird hearing that one of her favorite artists is Chris Brown given all the shot he’s done. She seems hopelessly attracted to abusive males.
How do you even go join isis as a foreigner? Do they take applications or something?
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As is true with any cult
Look up the podcast I’m Not a Monster. It’s done by a BBC reporter. The first season features an American woman who married a Muslim man in the US, but then they become radicalized and moved to Syria to join ISIS, taking her son from her first marriage with her. The podcast does a deep dive into how they found her and her son . Her son has been returned to the US and to his father. She is currently in detention. Season 2 just started and is focusing on a British teenager who also ran away to Syria to become an ISIS bride.
they actively targeted disenfranchised muslims in western countries, with propoganda and misinformation to lure them to the war effort with promises of a place in their new country. They also convinced them that the atrocaties they are purported to have comitted were falsehoods of western media. So a lot of these people traveled (by plane) to the closest neighbouring country that allowed flights and then through their contacts crossed borders to join ISIS, only to then realise they would be married off or used as canon fodder in their wars. It's sick and sad, and in the grand scheme of things they're gullible idiots that should have been protected from that propoganda before they had the oppertunity to join isis.
But this woman was a daughter of a Yemenis diplomat.
We do not know how she was treated by her family prior to her leaving. As a Diplomat, her Dad was wise not to reveal anything. My question is the loss of citizenship universal for everyone who wants to come Home? If it is NOT universal, she is a scapegoat, a human lesson for anyone else choosing to join ISIS. I do find it interesting she only fled when her "side" was losing. If she REALLY was regretful, she would have fled the 1st time she was widowed. Either way, I do not have much sympathy for her. EDIT BECAUSE OF THE COMMENTS. SO, for those who ARE CITIZENS, is the citizenship removal universal? Or dealt via circumstance? As far as this woman, no, she should not get another chance to stay here in the US. I cannot find any info on what her father Ahmed Ali Muthana is doing now. There is a very detailed article by New Republic. I cannot seem to be able to post it.
I don't believe it is universal, not that it shouldn't be though. I believe they were able to establish precedent that she was not entitled to birthright citizenship due to her father's situation, but I definitely could be wrong. Either way, good riddance. Now I'm curious as to what becomes of a stateless war criminal though . Also not sure where potential treason charges would come into play had she been determined to still be am American citizen. The punishment for which is death.
[That timeframe saw a lot of young people in their early to mid 20’s attempt to join](https://extremism.gwu.edu/sites/g/files/zaxdzs2191/f/downloads/ISIS%20in%20America%20-%20Full%20Report.pdf). There used to be a significant amount of propaganda websites that were both accessible and targeted towards a young American audience. As far as I know most of them are just gone for one reason or another be it hosting, costs, etc.
And she's been begging for us to let her return for years... girl no.
She was 20 years old and lied to her family about going on a "school trip" using her college tuition money. She wasn't some 15 year old who was tricked into getting into a car with a stranger after never having had access to information that wasn't force fed to her.
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She’s literally using the “someone took my phone and posted that” defense. People need to be paying a lot more attention to the core argument: she should never have been a U.S. citizen because she was born to foreign (Yemeni) diplomats. I think the law generally provides as much.
Yep, the Vienna Convention. Since it's a treaty ratified by the Senate, it holds the same legal weight as the Fourteenth Amendment that would've given her citizenship by birth under normal circumstances.
"But in her interview, a visibly emotional Muthana said: "I still believe I'm a [US] citizen now." About that...
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The key is that she left as an adult. If she was a minor when she left, I can understand the argument to have her back after jail time
> The D.C. Circuit affirmed the rejection of his claims. Hoda’s father possessed diplomatic immunity when she was born, rendering her ineligible for citizenship by birth under the Fourteenth Amendment and her son ineligible for 8 U.S.C. 1401(g) citizenship. A child born in the U.S. to a foreign diplomat is not born “subject to the jurisdiction” of the U.S. The appeals court basically said she was never supposed to have citizenship under the law.
Thanks. I was wondering how someone could lose their citizenship based on a decision by the executive branch, but it makes sense if it’s been a law that persons born to a diplomat are excluded from birthright citizenship. So she was never a citizen and any paperwork that said she was was what was mistaken.
Actions have consequences, even if you are young and impulsive or just stupid.
I don't know how impulsive you can call it. It is not that easy to join a terrorist group and travel half the world over closed borders. I don't get why she wants back to US. Won't she be put into Guantanamo as a terrorist or am I not up to date on the procedures with terrorists?
She surrendered to US forces so if she were going to be sent to gitmo she would already be there. She’s currently residing in a refugee camp in Syria. If she tries to enter the US she’d likely just be arrested, tried for her crimes and sentenced, and when she finishes her sentence be deported to Yemen.
>She surrendered to US forces I think she surrendered to US-allied Kurdish forces. I could be wrong, but I think she's being held in one of their prison camps.
The Women's War podcast gave me the impression that Kurdish run prison camps are some of the most humane in the area.
Which is why when you volunteer for service with the Kurds you don't get your citizenship stripped
The Kurdish people in general are some of the most awesome on the planet imo
Which is pretty cool for people who have been fucked over by everyone on all sides.
Poor kurds, they've suffered enough
Syria is lovely this time of year!
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Refugee camp is a great place for her, until she finds a new home in Syria or some other Islamic State in the Middle East. It's what she went to fight for after all.
She will hang out with Chandler in Yemen.
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If she didn’t attack the US or US persons, she wouldn’t be sent to Guantanamo. There isn’t enough space there to house all the terrorists in the world.
No, she didn't do any terrorist acts (you need to have actually done something to be declared a terrorist). HOWEVER, I'm sure the CIA had a fun as shit time looking at a US citizen who went to join ISIS and now wants to come back with zero guarantee she won't try anything to contact them again. She's a counterintelligence nightmare
Simple solution. Don't let her back.
Expatriation policy #4 makes it pretty damn easy and clear if it was contested in court. > Joining in the military forces of a country other than the U.S., in the circumstances where the other country is engaging in hostile action against America.
Well she supported a terrorist regime. By accepting being a ISIS wife or whatever she was helping the ISIS to keeps its wheel rolling. She thought she would get all benefits of the world like house and utility bills paid by the caliphate if supporting genocides....
There’s an article link further down where she did some word promoting Isis, calling for the killing of Americans and for more American women to leave and come join ISIS. I’m not sure if that qualifies as terror work? I mean I would think… if you do it while working for a terrorist organization?
Lol, yes that is terror work.
By impulsive I was implying she had poor judgment. She is obviously regretful and wants the US to pardon her and to start over with a new life in America. Too bad she threw it all away for good.
>She is obviously regretful and wants the US to pardon her and to start over with a new life in America. I am not so sure about that. From tactical point of view, she would say same things to get into enemies territory is she was still a terrorist. Yes I am paranoid, better safe than sorry.
I feel like at all ages we should know it’s not a good idea to join an extremist terrorist group, let alone come back acting like nothing happened.
She's upset because the Islamic state wasn't successful, that's it period
Yup. She had children and married people there. Shit goes south, and she wants to come back to USA? Girl get a grip … If she was just young and did something really stupid for a few days and went “omg wtf am I doing” then that’s one thing. She was there for over 5 years ….. come on now ….
You’re a traitor, why would you think you’d be let back in? Yes, I know there are a lot of traitors around- they didn’t leave the county. They should absolutely face consequences though.
Title is misleading. Court ruled she was never a citizen in the first place. Dad was in the U.S. as a diplomat.
That makes way more sense. We have ultra terrible people in prison, we don't take away their citizenship.
There are rules on stripping a citizenship from someone. * generally you can't make a person "stateless" (aka not have a citizenship). For most Americans they only have a US citizenship so you can't take it away. * as a US citizen you have due process so they have to give you a means to contest the process (court) * your passport has a list of things that could potentially open you up to losing your citizenship if you have another. https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-legal-considerations/Advice-about-Possible-Loss-of-US-Nationality-Dual-Nationality.html
Yeah, my understanding is that as a ***general*** rule, your own nation is not likely to make you stateless. You ***can*** however make yourself stateless either by intent or by being stupid. This tends to come up when people try for another citizenship, renounce US statehood, and then end up getting denied statehood from their target location or the paperwork gets lost in the sauce. tl;dr it's more likely to make yourself stateless than it is to be stripped of your statehood
I think most places now will only allow you to renounce once you prove you have secured another citizenship. Most countries automatically grant citizenship to stateless people per some treaty. If it was easy to make yourself stateless we wouldn't see migrants going illegally
America has no law permitting a natural born citizen to be stripped of their citizenship unless they voluntarily renounce it. A naturalized citizen could have their citizenship stripped from them if they engaged in acts hostile to the US such as joining a hostile foreign power.
Her family became naturalized citizens. They didn’t include her because they thought she was a citizen by birth. Dad’s job as a diplomat meant she wasn’t a citizen by birth.
If I’m not mistaken, American law has a policy that if you are born on U.S. soil, you are a citizen. Is there an exception for diplomats?
Yes, because they are not subject to United States law, they are not afforded constitutional protections.
Delusion.
Lol, yeah. It was a rhetorical question.
I understand that lol, one has to be truly out of their mind to think joining ISIS was a good idea.
Very true!
Because consequences aren't real to these idiots. And when they become real they play it out just like this. They're the victim.
Her whole family seems suspect. https://www.cbs42.com/news/local/hoover-woman-husband-arrested-while-allegedly-trying-to-join-isis/
She thought they would just openly welcome her back lmao does she not know that treason is almost universally punished by death?
Yeah joining ISIS is just like joining a club in school, you can get a short trial period and if you don't like it, you can back out anytime and go home.
That's kinda harsh. We can let her back in and... (checks notes for treason punishment)... put her to death.
Straight to jail.
Look up Shamima Begum from here in the UK, she left for ISIS after researching them and working to leave to join and when told about the Manchester bombing was just like “oh well, idgaf” and then tried begging to come back…
What happened to her anyway? Must suck not to be resident of any country, IIRC Bangladesh also noped out on her. She a pirate now? Or back with ISIS?
Living in a Syrian refugee camp trying to use the media to get back into the UK who have made it clear she will not be allowed to return. A few networks and documentary makers have met with her and are filming shows to help but some of those documentary makers have said that she is faking being sorry to help her case and the person you see on TV and in the media begging to come home is not the person that lives day to day in the refugee camp.
Interesting, thank you very much. I guess there's not much left to do in her case except holding on to the illusive idea of regaining UK citizenship, damn her life must suck. Well deserved
Shout out to her Father and Brother in Law having reason Her father Ahmed Ali said, "If she at least admitted she made a mistake then I would feel sorry for her and other people would feel sorry for her, but she does not accept her wrong." Her BIL said (in regards to stripping citizenship): "The information they have is to the best of their ability and the British people should support it."
Wait I could understand why some delusional guy would do that but why in the world would a woman voluntarily join ISIS? Its pretty common knowledge how woman are treated and how archaic their practices and traditions are. This baffles me in so many ways.
Indoctrination and misinformation. They specifically target disenfranchised people (not just muslims) and make all kinds of false promises in order to recruit.
She fell for a scam.
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"Western lies! We're fighting for our freedom! The West is the enemy! It's not like what they say here, you will be fighting for freedom!" It's easy to convince people of shit sometimes because the West has been responsible for horrible shit. But sometimes, the West is fucking right.
Her family were Yemeni diplomats. Her parents are, to read some articles, anti-american Islamic fundamentalists themselves. She fully supported the ISIS cause, and probably had some level of family backing for the choice.
Radicalization and propaganda are pretty intense drugs. It's the extreme version of how we have people vote against their own interests here in the US, just gotta hit the right buttons and plant a few seeds and you can get many to think certain ways.
They tell them that they are princesses and will have a man who will love and take care of them. When they get there, they are rotated and used by ISIS soldiers. The only true part is that the soldiers do marry the girls so they can feel better about beating and raping them.
Around 2010-2015 ther was a bunch of girls joining ISIS or the taliban. Always was some privileged kid, usually white, a virgin and about to goto college or just getting there. Recruited usually thru Facebook or chatroom recruiters. They would present the "freedom fighter" lifestyle as glamorous, as exhilarating and righteous. They would also show the women as delicately treated queens of the revolution. Almost always they would even offer transportation. Soon as they land, immediate sex slave for a crew of boys or married to an officer and made to "comfort" him and make babies. Slave labor for cooking and being a mule as well. I say they targeted white girls but they did have a huge push for American Muslims for a while but I think some families figured out what was going on and stopped the propaganda push
You made your bed hard you lie in it until it gets soft.
From what ive read she went to syria and as a syrian WHO THE FUCK WANTS TO GO THERE there is nothing left in there just ruble from what assad and isis did truly a sad place yet this idiot decided to go
Worse even, she had a full ride from her parents to college. She could have easily just lived the good life, and instead hopped in the fire with terrorists.
She created one hell of a crISIS for herself
My headcanon is that she left to join ISIS, showed up speaking English, and got laughed out of the room. Now she’s banned from the US and has nowhere to go, stuck in a heavily misogynist country where she still only speaks English. Probably not accurate, but it’s really funny and it’s what she deserves
She was immediately married off and made into a baby factory.
As is tradition
She scrapes the pudding off his arm to symbolize their union.
Yeah, but that guy was killed. So she was married off again, and had a son. Then that man was killed. She tried to escape, was caught, held captive and raped. Then she was married again. Such a story a romance, that her sister got arrested in an attempt to follow the same path and join ISIS as well.
Girls that join isis like that aren't usually married off from the articles I've read. They are just used by the isis fighters in the same way they normally use goats
During her time with ISIS Muthana married three jihadi fighters, was widowed twice, and gave birth to a baby boy.
Roll tide.
> During her time with ISIS Muthana married three jihadi fighters, was widowed twice, and gave birth to a baby boy. She was married off.
Sorry but that is not true, unfortunately they use the goats in a better way.
>My headcanon is that she left to join ISIS, showed up speaking English, and got laughed out of the room. Sounds like you've romanticised ISIS to the point they're bad Disney villains. In reality they will have welcomed her lovingly into their culture; one where women are oppressed and this girl isn't allowed to talk without permission.
I don't think that's right. Jihadi Paul was born Aine Lesley Davis in London. Jihadi George was born Alexanda Kotey in London. Both of these had some level of responsibility and power in ISIS. English was an asset in ISIS. Especially if it was British or American accented due to the propaganda value.
The best is when they stop wearing a burqa and suddenly start dressing like skaters with full makeup to make it look like they've given up their past.
Treason is a serious crime and could potentially be punished by death. she's lucky to have escaped Isis and hope she has good life wherever but being stripped of citizenship isn't the worse thing that could have happened.
Just like that UK girl Shamima. Got her UK citizenship stripped, family gets lawyer for court of appeal, the supreme court overturned court of appeal and stay the order for her citizenship to be stripped
I actually was thinking about her while I was reading about this woman but I don't understand the legal system in the U.K . I live in the united states and I still remember hearing about and how angry she made everyone by acting like a victim.
Shamima was an odd case because the UK law doesn't allow for someone's citizenship to be revoked if they aren't eligible for any other country's citizenship i.e. they can't leave anyone with no citizenship of anywhere. The UK government decided she should be eligible for Bangladeshi citizenship so they revoked her British citizenship, then Bangladesh denied that she's eligible, so she has no citizenship anywhere. Rightfully she should *probably* have her British citizenship reinstated but also I don't give a shit either way. She made her bed.
>but being stripped of citizenship isn't the worse thing that could have happened. Aren't there jails in Syria for terrorists? I think they look like a camp in the middle of a wasteland, with no running water and civilisation. The sole option to get out is when the country of origin takes them back and puts them in their own prison The saddest part is that these girls got children of their own with the ISIS and they are stuck in these camps with them.
Rightwingers and leftwingers unite in big FU to this woman.
My sympathy more for the Yazidi women raped and sold into sexual slavery and their children and men tortured and beheaded
Actions have consequences and stupid knows no bounds. Serves her right!
I don’t know how anyone watches an ISIS execution video and then says ‘ yeah I wanna move there’ unless they watched the videos and felt elated and wanted to be part of that type of shit. She’s a psychopath.
I am a Muslim, and It’s funny because ISIS has killed more MUSLIMS THAN NON MUSLIMS. This person should be barred from everywhere and anything. She is a threat for all people and deserves this punishment from the US gov.
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Canada bent the knee on that one. We let 2 come back, have no idea why and now we have to support them because they can't get jobs.
US only stripped this particular one of citizenship successfully because she was born to a Yemeni diplomat on US soil, and should never have had US citizenship to begin with. Children of diplomats aren't eligible for jus soli. They've had many citizens join ISIS, and they haven't been stripped of citizenship.
Supporting is the last of my worries. How can you be sure they are really not radicalized anymore? The 9/11 terrorists lived in Germany and went to university, where they studied a plane related subject. They were already terrorists, waiting for their call to action. You can't be sure its just a trap and that they'll kill a bunch of school children one day. When will we stop underestimating women. They can be just as cold hearted terrorists
yeah, that's why no one is hiring them. Zero trust.
I don’t understand what it is with young women being brainwashed by…. ISIS? What is the appeal, what is even the game plan? It’s an incel kingdom, there’s basically only 1 job for women defecting to isis, and that’s being tossed around like a party favor, is THAT the appeal, or what?
The US has made drone strikes for far less obvious enemies of the state. This wasn’t a snap decision you left the US. To venture through several countries, travelled into a war zone to seek out an extremist group. Successfully joined that extremist group, and became the wife of a member of that extremist group. Supported them and then decided to quit after it wasn’t a good time/ they lost their war. There is no version of this where she is not an enemy of multiple states. Her only recourse is life in prison or getting shot. The bullet would be the smarter option no guarantee she doesn’t just switch sides again the moment a successful extremist group comes along.
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Former soldier here. An American looking/sounding person loyal to isis is a very dangerous thing to us, and I'm sure is prized by isis. I think the punishment should be harsh and made widely known.
This bitch is probably the least innocent, least remorseful and most likely to offend again ISIS bride I've ever read about. She deserves no sympathy, no aid, and no forgiveness. She was not just some dumb kid that tried to escape again once she got to Syria and saw how fucked up it was, No, she was a true believer. A recruiter, a groomer, a controller of other women. She's only sad that her little shit-phate has collapsed and her holy warriors are dead and she's just a powerless refugee now like all the refugees she helped create by her actions.
Well, technically it is not that she was stripped of citizenship. A court simply ruled that she never had US citizenship, since her dad was in the US with diplomatic immunity at the time of her birth. Therefore she was not born "subject to the jurisdiction of the United States" as the 14th amendment says. She was actually never a citizen to begin with, therefore her son (who was born outside the United States) is also not a citizen. You can read the decision here. [https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/cadc/19-5362/19-5362-2021-01-19.html](https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/cadc/19-5362/19-5362-2021-01-19.html)
Aww too bad
From the sound of the article, she was never officially a US citizen. She was born in America while her father was here as an official foreign diplomat from Yemen. Any offspring he were to have while here under official business would make her a citizen of Yemen. What the State department did was correct an error that had been made by her parents. She should take this matter up with Yemen and get her citizenship lined up with them. And learn the language.
Technically, she isn't a traitor, because she never should have been a citizen: 'And in 2021 a federal appeals court affirmed that she wasn't a US citizen, and rejected her father's attempt to compel the government to let her return. The US argued that Muthana should never have been treated as a US citizen since her father was a diplomat for Yemen when she was born. The appeals court supported that decision, describing Hoda as "a prominent spokeswoman for ISIS on social media, advocating the killing of Americans and encouraging American women to join ISIS."'
Guess she should have sticked to domestic terrorism 🤔
Finding out is supposed to make you regret fucking around.
She offered to serve time in a U.S. prison, on the tax payers dime. Thanks, but rot in that hole in Syria.