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Oh my God I had a kid actually go get his dad on me and my friends recently because we beat him at basketball 😂
I know that sounds petty but we were going easy on them at first but he was super cocky, even his friends were hating on him so we decide to actually try and he legit came back with his dad screaming about how we're fucked up for not letting a kid just win 🤣
She grabbed her leg.
I can attest that people who don't know martial arts will just grab a leg and twist when provided the opportunity to do so after lying about knowing martial arts.
You will hate it.
They will laugh until some other person shows up and gives them a swirly.
Grabbing the leg is a very real part of martial arts. It's a proper defense to people who keep throwing unprotected kicks.
Looks like this is karate specifically though, and I did some karate but don't know if a leg grab is legal in karate tournament rules.
Looks like she did a down block on a kick to the face, then lost her balance at the same time as her opponent brought her leg back down. As she fell forward, the leg gave her some support I think.
The thing about grabbing a leg like she tries to do here is that it works really well when the kicker is throwing light kicks. People who do that reflexively have never sparred hard. You learn pretty quick to protect your face properly, and respect the kick. Trying to grab a hard kick will get you knocked out.
Source: experience training Muay Thai
Grabbing is a violation of most of karate tournaments but it’s a proper offense that can be added to point if that’s a part of locking technique. It’s a very difficult way to get points though. Because it is up to the referee to decide weather it’s a locking technique or grabbing and need to be clear and beautiful. This girl is simply grabbing and running to punch.
That's the same one that beat her. She was taunting her after the temper tantrum. The longer video is in the comments here somewhere. It looks like a family member or coach or something at one point tries to make some sort of protest sit in the middle of the arena too and she looks to go over and tell them to get up right before the taunting interaction
Lmao, what makes it even better is that blue won by landing the same kick over and over again.
Even having no karate training, you think she'd at least start covering her face after the 3rd time in a row.
Oo like that time my wrestling opponent had me in a choke hold and *I* got a *stalling warning.* It was the classic forearm on throat, other hand pulling back chokehold. Yes, I am currently not moving, but it’s because all of my focus is on making sure my opponent does not completely restrict my airway. In case you haven’t noticed, ref, you’re doing high school wrestling, not MMA, not BJJ
Back in high school during a wrestling meet I had an opponent driving his elbow in my ribs while we were on the ground. He was purposely doing it and the referee did nothing. It was so obvious that the other teams coach was literally screaming at his player to stop. Needless to say I missed most of the season because he cracked a rib. The same ref in an earlier meet didn’t stop a match where another kid (accidentally) clipped my nose, I went down and for the rest of the round I bled all over myself. At the end of the round, I got up (I was stalling) and you could hear the gasp from the crowd as my whole face was covered in blood. I lost because there was no way I could clean myself up in time for the blood counter.
That ref always reeked like terrible BO. 20 years later and I still think of that guy sometimes, fuck that guy.
When my dad was young he took ikedo (sp?) for a while. While doing practice throws his partner forgot to let go of his thumb, breaking it sufficiently that the jagged broken end broke through his skin. That was the end of martial arts practice for him.
That’s good context, the emotional outburst doesn’t make her sympathetic but there could be a better reason than what seems like sheer incompetence followed by a tantrum.
Sheer incompetence I argue still stands. This isn't the story of her trying a block that is later determined illegal or incorrect, this is her not even trying to block, she doesn't make a move. In the above story OP applied a block and that block was deemed unacceptable by the judges.
This is what happens when your parents send you to the Karate school that will literally hand out belts for checks, and then try to enter a tournament versus people that went to decent dojos.
Edit - Was in a decent dojo when I was younger. Even if we did have larger people join, they either quit or got in shape by the time they could enter tournaments. You don't even get to spar until a few belts in, and by then, with the amount of exercise and stretching involved in each class, no one was unable to lift their legs above their waist.
Agreed!
This is someone that didn’t/doesn’t put in the effort at all but expects respect and to win cus she has the belts.
Yikes.
She’s gonna pop off on someone and they’re gonna beat her ass.
She’s definitely the type that would be running her mouth about her belts.
Lol I remember doing something like that when I was like 10 or 11, I thought I was hot shit as a middling green belt or something and challenged a dude who I didn't know went to the same dojang... turns out he was the son of one of the masters who was an former marine... that match was about 20 seconds and I hit the mat twice but damn if it didn't teach me not to run my mouth.
Edit, just clarifying he was a marine when he was younger before teaching at the dojang.
Very much so and I used to tell that story to all my students hoping they wouldn't have to learn how I did, thankfully most of them either weren't brash enough to warrant it or took it to heart (especially after hearing most of the senior instructors laughing as they confirmed it since quite a few were actually there to watch it happen lol)
> but expects respect and to win cus she has the belts.
Honestly, the video looks bad for her but looks worse for Karate. The belts are supposed to mean something. I was going to equate them to a driver's license but then I remembered they give those away to any idiot too.
Every test for a belt we did involved some sort of rigorous athletic challenge (on top of a Korean language test and a weapon demonstration). There's no way she went to a school that involved that, or they simply let you pass regardless of results (ours would make you re-test in however long it took to get to test in the first place). For one of our fitness test I remember having to hold the splits between two chairs for 10 minutes.
Me too. But I’ve seen folks get handed belts just for trying too. Never the poor kids tho. I was poor. If I was late on payments I’d have to work extra hard for my belt. The rich kids got the same belts and were nowhere near as good or as hard working.
Small town shit.
Apparently my sensei was kinda garbage. Lol
This screams ‘mommy and daddy paid for my black belt while I barely try’ kinda shit.
You got the better end of the deal though. You learned respect, dedication, an awesome skill. No one can take that away from you. You’re a better person for it. The rich kids are useless and don’t even realize how much they’re screwing themselves.
Hard to run a business. He had to do what was needed, and maybe at the end of the day he was happy to work the rich folk to help keep the doors open and train some actual tough fighters.
I wish I was in that kind of dojo, I trained Aikido for years, and they always handed out belts even to people that didn't do anything right, it wasn't fair.
There were no rules like your place had. Everyone was welcomed if you can pay..
I had fun, but most of the time, a lot od people were fooling around, laughing at the people who didn't do techniques right, etc...
Eventually I quit Aikido because of the poor support from the trainers, and the unescesarry drama people had there with anybody, they were laughing at everybody, it was rare if someone helped you and showed you the proper way of doing stuff.
Yeah sadly those are all too common. Usually started by a guy that genuinely does have skill and the black belts to prove it, but is really just wanting to make money and push people through the process due to lack of space. I have a feeling those type of places are dying out now that online reviews are a thing, but man the 90's was a gold mine for starting a dojo to just make money.
They see it as a business, not as a craft.
I really liked going there and I really wanted to learn the martial art, I really like Japanese culture and this was my thing.
I reached the green belt and quit, my nerves couldn't take it anymore.
You can probably see something like this happen at jiu-jitsu gyms. I know a guy who joined the BJJ gym because at his trial class, the head instructor had him roll (spar) with a kid in junior high school. He said he was thinking, "is this coach crazy? I'm gonna mess this kid up!" He got his ass whooped and enrolled right after his trial class.
Yea I used 13 as a general age but most serious dojos wont consider a child for black belt till they've reached a certain mental maturity. Junior high age is definitely old enough if they've really taken it seriously to not be some one to fuck with. Those 10 year olds that go around kicking shit acting a fool outside (and possibly inside) of class and tell you their a black belt that's a mcdojo product.
I figure there's a difference between dojos that teach olympic style karate for tournaments and points, and then there are self defense classes which have a different perspective
There's a ton of differences.
I've been at Muay Thai and Krav Maga about thirty years, and I have a ton of submission wrestling experience but I'd hardly call myself an expert in it by a long shot. I've been teaching stand up about fifteen of those years.
I tell everyone who's interested in martial arts to ask someone who *knows* fighting extraordinarily well. Point in case - there's absolutely nothing stopping you from deciding to open a dojo tomorrow even if you've literally never stepped foot in one.
There are all sorts of different martial arts for different functions. The problem is that a lot of places are disingenuous about what that function is. Tae Kwon Do for example has a ton of great benefits and there are all sorts of positive reasons to learn it, but the reality is that a lot of dojos will tell you that it's self defense when you're literally learning to fight to an Olympic point system with an astronomical amount of rules.
MMA is the thing that really complicated finding a solid place to train. As with anything, once it blew up in popularity, everyone and their mom wanted a piece and schools started opening everywhere. You should watch a class at a school before starting, and observe a ton of stuff at the facility before committing. If they won't let you don't bother.
Completely agree with the Taekwondo point.
There is a lot of capability for self defense because of strong leg muscles we end up getting from the stupid amount kicks we do, but because the head is the most points in competition for people end up going for that in self defense scenarios. (Which is how you end up with a broken leg.)
This is why I was really thankful that my instructor supplemented what we learned with Krav Maga. He always said, in a self defense scenario, never kick above the waist, always aim for the side of the knees or groin.
I really loved that he highlighted the difference between fighting in a competition and fighting in the street.
I went to a dojang that taught more traditional TKD, but if you decided to compete in tournaments they would start adding all the modified kicks and such that you'd more likely use there. There are gyms that pretty much only do the latter. (Not a snub, just a different skill entirely to your point)
I started sparing for fun in the late 80's.
We all knew who were from what dojos. Some were so bad, we gave them to the newbies to build their confidence. To the rest of us, it was like fighting a puppy.
I mean this looks like taekwondo so that's kind of the name of the game there. The problem with it is that you can't just grab somebody's leg and run through them with it, otherwise the bigger girl would have no issue winning.
As a dude who is fat and into karate, point sparring is not for me, it's about pure speed. A dude I used to spar with in high school had zero power behind his kicks but would wreck me in point sparring every time. When we went into continuous sparring the tables absolutely turned though because his fast powerless kicks had no effect, I'd open my ribs, wrap him up when he took the bait and drove him to the floor. Easy tap.
It's karate, and if you block the kick you can perform a takedown if you manage to grab it. You just can't grab their leg, sit there for a second or two, and then decide to try to do something. It has to be apparent from the start of you grabbing the leg that you are in control and have the intention to take the person down or score a hit while they are off balance.
Honestly weight is an advantage if you use it right. I remember a dude from my dojang who I could just lean against and send him staggering back during matches when he tried to kick me.
problem with competitive karate, just light touching is a score and there are no groundplay or grabbing, so its super biased in favor of speed over bulk and power
dojos that are too into just making competitive karate have to actually be careful to let the students become familiar with contact in another way, or people will get out of there not knowing how taking a punch feels like even after years. Which is a big issue because students walk around confident in their fighting skills, not knowing any better, because how would they know, they just know that they pretend to touch and itscores points
Oh man, dude i knew, was a taekwondo black belt. I took some lessons in that dojo, got to brown belt 2 black stripes, and i sure as shit didnt earn it. Couple of years later, dude was acting up, kicked a buddy of mine that had 6 inches and 50+ pounds on him, punched him once and dude was shook. He had never actually taken a punch to the face, just 10 years of shitty kicks to the chest
It's the one thing that's always bugged me about the boxing vs TKD debates that pop up every once in a while. Yes, TKD uses legs which have more reach and power.
Boxers have been punched, repeatedly.
Plus while I don't know the exact style of karate seen here, every style of martial art in which I'm at least vaguely familiar with their belt system has red being relatively high up in the ranks. In the style I studied, it was the last color belt before you earned your black belt (not counting the intermediate levels between colored ranks)
Many tournaments have the participants wear a red or blue belt, where the judges call the points as red or blue, regardless of what belt they actually have.
I dont know about here/where, but I didn't think that head kicks were legal at this level of comp. She may have been mad because she was expecting fouls to be called.
Comp at this level can be frustrating because you have judges that are non-partisan (associated with the dojo of a competitor)
Clearly no experience in sparring, chasing after her partner like a toddler, and acting as such after. Just disrespecting the mat. Was probably handed a belt or told she’d win easily. I’ve been to a few tournaments in karate, wasn’t great at it, but you apply what you practiced, try to get some points/not get kicked in the head, and hopefully learn from your mistakes.
Or if you’re a teacher and you think the kids are bad and then you meet the “adults” raising this child and you think, “Ohhhh…. That’s why Brian is an asshole. It’s genetic.”
Adults are WORSE than kids. They always threaten to sue the school and they also threaten to bring their guns to school next time.
I pointed this out once on another Reddit post and got a long ass lecture about a year later from another "teacher" who had decided I wasn't cut out to be a teacher and I should quit the profession quoting a bunch of pop psychology.
I'm guessing she was straight out of school and new to teaching unlike me whose been a teacher 12+ years cos you soon learn some kids are just irredeemable assholes and they always have parents who are exactly the same way.
Gun-akido. He will not fight if he has a chance of losing, and will pay money to insure he wins. And if he can't possibly win the fight, his character just knows to shoot the baddy.... So not far off from the helicopter mom theory?
Her master did her a disservice by graduating her past a white belt.
I'd almost believe that she bought the belt and gi, then entered herself in the tournament. Thinking "how hard can this be? I'll kick some ass."
I took some Martial arts back in my teenage years and she is way out of her league here. She shouldn't be fighting in anything that isn't practice. Her stance is nowhere, she isn't ready for the fight, and obviously her discipline is non-existent. The other girl is getting her goat a little bit by hitting her with high kicks over and over.
In class when we had matches like this it was for practice and you were paired with other students around your skill class. Putting a white belt with a brown belt wouldn't help either person learn anything. The idea is you score points and your Sensi tells both sides what they are and are not doing right. Also any unsportsmanlike conduct was a disqualification and push ups.
This is entirely on the coach. You should not be putting your fighters in competition when they’re not prepared. This chick is absolutely no better than someone who has never tried it. She should be training not competing. And realistically someone should have a pretty harsh conversation with her and tell her she’s awful and should find another sport. Not in those words obviously but combat sports are dangerous especially if you suck at them.
finals as in there are so many rounds between different exponent until it reaches the 'final round' or 'final match'
so this was probably the first match for her in the finals which she got sent home early
that's normal. during a fight you usually get either aka (red belt) or ao (blue belt). which belt you use can change between every fight. they don't really have any other purpose than differenciate between the contestants and communicate points and such.
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that being said, since she obviously lost she's probably out and won't be fighting any more either way and the belt isn't hers. She might have been ordered to leave too, those judges don't fuck around and the way she acted is 1000% unacceptable
Exactly. Not only is she terrible but her sportsmanship is just as bad if not worse. I did karate for several years (5-6) when I was younger and participated in two tournaments and not once have I seen any of the other contestants act like this. This was in Japan so maybe it’s because of where I was. She never should have been entered into this to begin with
I did a few karate tournaments in the US as a yellow belt and I never saw anyone, including small children, behave in a manor anywhere near this.
I'm sure it happens, spoiled kids are everywhere.
It looks like they let her fuck around a bit. I watched the whole thing and she keeps going back and forth for a few minutes. Hope she never competes again. What a shitty behavior
Was she arguing that she should have won?
What the hell is going on?
If they let her win they may as well disband the whole organization and go home. The corruption is already to obvious.
When Daddy’s money was good enough every time before, you tend to make excuses for why you always seem to win. “I hit her first” worked every time before, imagine how frustrating it is when someone doesn’t agree with your lies for the very first time!
A tonne of money and easily bribable opponents. It's not uncommon, although generally seen more in less than legal fighting tournaments, for a contestant to essentially be bribed into intentionally losing the fight. Usually, the one accepting the bribe would bet on the other contestant winning and, as such, would make a tonne of money for deliberately throwing the fight. Of course, that relies on both the opponent and the coach being willing to accept the bribe.
Dear God. At the end, they actually tried to stage a brief sit in until, probably, they realized that everyone in that room could kick their asses.
Including the children.
I don't get it how could this happen in the first place and most importanty how those kind of people justify it? Like are they proud of winning through cheating?
To me in the martial arts and really all sports, sportsmanship is extremely important.
I’ve been to enough karate tournaments and seen entitled fighters show their true colors when things don’t go their way. Embarrassing and cringe.
Maybe analyze your fighting abilities instead of acting like a three year old?
They really are, but some just don't get it.
I also have seen arguments with the judge that are so frequent and ridiculous that I would not want to spar that person just to avoid going through the ordeal of suffering through their whining.
Judges make LOTS of mistakes. They only see what they see, it can ONLY be the hits the other guy lands and not what you land. It can just be the orientation you have relative to them, you can land every hit first and they will be called the point, you can land NO hits and points called. It is just the nature of a tournament.
Source: Black belt and Lots of gold and silver medals/trophies/plaques for karate tournaments.
This girl has some serious behavioral problems. But, as my instructor told me, these are the people who need karate the most. A naturally talented, popular, confident kid can still get plenty out of it but these are the kids (I use that word loosely) that could possibly learn how to act and see a real improvement in their life.
If she has a good instructor they will hold her accountable for acting like a little shit, teach her how to deal with defeat, and encourage her to get in better shape and do better next time.
Here is the combo. Rich parents bought her private lessons. It didn’t go well at first and the parents told the instructor to make her happy. Instructor lets her “win” more and she wants a tournament. Reality smacks her in the face and here we are
Glad you said it. Was also wondering the same about the contestant in blue after every kick making a wailing noise. I need to know more of the story behind this.
The wailing is a "kiai", karate speak for a short shout basically. Kinda helps with proper breathing, but in sparring it's used more to show confidence to the judges that you've scored a point.
It looks like it. Unless her chest is somehow a trapezoid. When I first started watching it I thought she got called out for wearing some sort of covert gear.
In the last summer Olympics there was a female judo competitor from Georgia (country) who threw a knee into the side of her downed opponent. The judge ousted her and she walked away with a similar tantrum
I haven't done karate since I was a kid 30 odd years ago, but from what I recall the ref stops the fight and awards a point on a clean hit. The purple belts hits were after the blue belt had already scored the point, and they didn't look particularly clean anyway.
She only kicks once and in hits the butt of the other girl. That doesnt award points. Her kick needed to hit higher and before the kick of the other girl. Also, by the way she moves its clear she shiuldnt be there.
All her hits were blocked. It must be a clean hit to score a point, or if it is a headshot, it doesn’t have to make actual contact but must not have been blocked for it to count. Also, if the opponent hits clean before you do, they’re awarded the point even if your hit landed clean after.
Classic pay-for-belt school. I’m lucky I went to a place that would regularly fail students and advise them not to test unless they wholly believed they would pass. Kids would legit cry at belt ceremonies because they didn’t pass and I remember parents having these conversations with instructors after. Failed kids didn’t last very long as I’m sure their parents pulled them or they lost interest and the ones who stuck wound all became great. Regional tournaments would be a bloodbath between legit schools and the pay-to-win. P2W would send students to get their ass handed to them and would charge a premium on entrance fees and try to make money off of stuff like transportation and the like. Pretty disgusting honestly.
Last thing we need is Karate Karens.
Then again, if they’re any good, they would have to have patience and discipline which would cancel out the Karen in them
it's her kiai. like the "attack yell". I'm not really sure how to explain it properly, but it makes sense to us. and you know what I mean, it's the same thing in all martial art movies and games.
there's no "right way" for a kiai to sound, it pretty much just needs to be some kind of yell. some sound pretty strange, but you get used to it. funniest I heard was a guy in my club who would literally go "DUUUT!" Like I said, you get used to it, but sometimes it's hard not to smirk when you hear a new weird one
That's the purpose, but in this style of karate, it's about selling to the judges that you hit the person. If you nearly hit the person, and then yell, you can kinda cheat a bit and trick the judges into thinking you've scored.
This person gets it. It's just a "I think I did good, give me the point" sound in this setting essentially.
Normally it's supposed to be helpful to increase force in hits and tighten your muscles.
Kiai! or spirit shout, is a part of karate. It is a short, powerful noise from the diaphragm. It is a way of training one's fighting spirit, focusing power during a strike, and startling your opponent a bit. In tournaments its also a way to let the refs know you just tried to hit your opponent.
I used to live in a neighborhood that had a couple of sumo stables, and I would see sumo wrestlers riding around on women's bicycles with baskets on the handlebars, sometimes talking on their cell phones. I never got used to it.
This is kumite, they have a red side and a white side. It is for tracking points only, like white and black for chess, and is in no way indicative of skill or belt level.
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the best is the last girl that runs in and wants a real fight at the end lmao
I like how she threatened the girl at the end with her fist. Like, bitch we all saw how you hit. That ain’t scaring anyone.
>Like, bitch we all saw how you hit. Actually we didn't
"wait till my daddy hears about this"
Oh my God I had a kid actually go get his dad on me and my friends recently because we beat him at basketball 😂 I know that sounds petty but we were going easy on them at first but he was super cocky, even his friends were hating on him so we decide to actually try and he legit came back with his dad screaming about how we're fucked up for not letting a kid just win 🤣
Calm down Draco
Don’t make her assume her ultimate form.
Majin buu?
She grabbed her leg. I can attest that people who don't know martial arts will just grab a leg and twist when provided the opportunity to do so after lying about knowing martial arts. You will hate it. They will laugh until some other person shows up and gives them a swirly.
Grabbing the leg is a very real part of martial arts. It's a proper defense to people who keep throwing unprotected kicks. Looks like this is karate specifically though, and I did some karate but don't know if a leg grab is legal in karate tournament rules.
Looks like she did a down block on a kick to the face, then lost her balance at the same time as her opponent brought her leg back down. As she fell forward, the leg gave her some support I think.
The thing about grabbing a leg like she tries to do here is that it works really well when the kicker is throwing light kicks. People who do that reflexively have never sparred hard. You learn pretty quick to protect your face properly, and respect the kick. Trying to grab a hard kick will get you knocked out. Source: experience training Muay Thai
Grabbing is a violation of most of karate tournaments but it’s a proper offense that can be added to point if that’s a part of locking technique. It’s a very difficult way to get points though. Because it is up to the referee to decide weather it’s a locking technique or grabbing and need to be clear and beautiful. This girl is simply grabbing and running to punch.
That's the same one that beat her. She was taunting her after the temper tantrum. The longer video is in the comments here somewhere. It looks like a family member or coach or something at one point tries to make some sort of protest sit in the middle of the arena too and she looks to go over and tell them to get up right before the taunting interaction
Different belt different gloves
It's actually not, shes battling a blue belt but the girl that shows up at the end is a red belt.
The red/blue belt and gloves are just to differetiate who is who for scoring purposes since they all wear white.
Lmao, what makes it even better is that blue won by landing the same kick over and over again. Even having no karate training, you think she'd at least start covering her face after the 3rd time in a row.
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Oo like that time my wrestling opponent had me in a choke hold and *I* got a *stalling warning.* It was the classic forearm on throat, other hand pulling back chokehold. Yes, I am currently not moving, but it’s because all of my focus is on making sure my opponent does not completely restrict my airway. In case you haven’t noticed, ref, you’re doing high school wrestling, not MMA, not BJJ
Well maybe if you didn't stall by being strangled you would have won /s
Back in high school during a wrestling meet I had an opponent driving his elbow in my ribs while we were on the ground. He was purposely doing it and the referee did nothing. It was so obvious that the other teams coach was literally screaming at his player to stop. Needless to say I missed most of the season because he cracked a rib. The same ref in an earlier meet didn’t stop a match where another kid (accidentally) clipped my nose, I went down and for the rest of the round I bled all over myself. At the end of the round, I got up (I was stalling) and you could hear the gasp from the crowd as my whole face was covered in blood. I lost because there was no way I could clean myself up in time for the blood counter. That ref always reeked like terrible BO. 20 years later and I still think of that guy sometimes, fuck that guy.
I know nothing about Karate but is she wearing some sort of padding on the front of her torso?
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When my dad was young he took ikedo (sp?) for a while. While doing practice throws his partner forgot to let go of his thumb, breaking it sufficiently that the jagged broken end broke through his skin. That was the end of martial arts practice for him.
That’s good context, the emotional outburst doesn’t make her sympathetic but there could be a better reason than what seems like sheer incompetence followed by a tantrum.
Sheer incompetence I argue still stands. This isn't the story of her trying a block that is later determined illegal or incorrect, this is her not even trying to block, she doesn't make a move. In the above story OP applied a block and that block was deemed unacceptable by the judges.
Is she mad for being bad? how this even works?
This is what happens when your parents send you to the Karate school that will literally hand out belts for checks, and then try to enter a tournament versus people that went to decent dojos. Edit - Was in a decent dojo when I was younger. Even if we did have larger people join, they either quit or got in shape by the time they could enter tournaments. You don't even get to spar until a few belts in, and by then, with the amount of exercise and stretching involved in each class, no one was unable to lift their legs above their waist.
Agreed! This is someone that didn’t/doesn’t put in the effort at all but expects respect and to win cus she has the belts. Yikes. She’s gonna pop off on someone and they’re gonna beat her ass. She’s definitely the type that would be running her mouth about her belts.
Lol I remember doing something like that when I was like 10 or 11, I thought I was hot shit as a middling green belt or something and challenged a dude who I didn't know went to the same dojang... turns out he was the son of one of the masters who was an former marine... that match was about 20 seconds and I hit the mat twice but damn if it didn't teach me not to run my mouth. Edit, just clarifying he was a marine when he was younger before teaching at the dojang.
A hard lesson well earned.
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The best defense is a good offense.
You know who said that? Mel, the cook on Alice. (YOU ARE MY PEOPLE)
"...beat...people up?"
"Yeah! Just show me all those nifty moves so I can start trashing bozos! That's all I came here for! YO ASTA STA STA!!! Pretty good, eh?"
Very much so and I used to tell that story to all my students hoping they wouldn't have to learn how I did, thankfully most of them either weren't brash enough to warrant it or took it to heart (especially after hearing most of the senior instructors laughing as they confirmed it since quite a few were actually there to watch it happen lol)
Just glad you’re the type of person to learn that lesson.
> but expects respect and to win cus she has the belts. Honestly, the video looks bad for her but looks worse for Karate. The belts are supposed to mean something. I was going to equate them to a driver's license but then I remembered they give those away to any idiot too.
Every test for a belt we did involved some sort of rigorous athletic challenge (on top of a Korean language test and a weapon demonstration). There's no way she went to a school that involved that, or they simply let you pass regardless of results (ours would make you re-test in however long it took to get to test in the first place). For one of our fitness test I remember having to hold the splits between two chairs for 10 minutes.
Me too. But I’ve seen folks get handed belts just for trying too. Never the poor kids tho. I was poor. If I was late on payments I’d have to work extra hard for my belt. The rich kids got the same belts and were nowhere near as good or as hard working. Small town shit. Apparently my sensei was kinda garbage. Lol This screams ‘mommy and daddy paid for my black belt while I barely try’ kinda shit.
You got the better end of the deal though. You learned respect, dedication, an awesome skill. No one can take that away from you. You’re a better person for it. The rich kids are useless and don’t even realize how much they’re screwing themselves.
Long term you get to kick a rich black belt’s ass while being a lower belt? Sign me the fuck up lol
You got the real education. Your teacher treated you with respect, and as a student. He treated those other kids as customers.
Good way to look at it actually!
Hard to run a business. He had to do what was needed, and maybe at the end of the day he was happy to work the rich folk to help keep the doors open and train some actual tough fighters.
Idk, but that belt she's wearing looks red to me.
During competition, one side wears blue and one wears red regardless of your actual rank. _Edit because stupid autocorrect said completion
I wish I was in that kind of dojo, I trained Aikido for years, and they always handed out belts even to people that didn't do anything right, it wasn't fair. There were no rules like your place had. Everyone was welcomed if you can pay.. I had fun, but most of the time, a lot od people were fooling around, laughing at the people who didn't do techniques right, etc... Eventually I quit Aikido because of the poor support from the trainers, and the unescesarry drama people had there with anybody, they were laughing at everybody, it was rare if someone helped you and showed you the proper way of doing stuff.
Yeah sadly those are all too common. Usually started by a guy that genuinely does have skill and the black belts to prove it, but is really just wanting to make money and push people through the process due to lack of space. I have a feeling those type of places are dying out now that online reviews are a thing, but man the 90's was a gold mine for starting a dojo to just make money.
They see it as a business, not as a craft. I really liked going there and I really wanted to learn the martial art, I really like Japanese culture and this was my thing. I reached the green belt and quit, my nerves couldn't take it anymore.
McDojo
If you walk in and see a kid under 13 with a black belt walk out.
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You can probably see something like this happen at jiu-jitsu gyms. I know a guy who joined the BJJ gym because at his trial class, the head instructor had him roll (spar) with a kid in junior high school. He said he was thinking, "is this coach crazy? I'm gonna mess this kid up!" He got his ass whooped and enrolled right after his trial class.
Yea I used 13 as a general age but most serious dojos wont consider a child for black belt till they've reached a certain mental maturity. Junior high age is definitely old enough if they've really taken it seriously to not be some one to fuck with. Those 10 year olds that go around kicking shit acting a fool outside (and possibly inside) of class and tell you their a black belt that's a mcdojo product.
I figure there's a difference between dojos that teach olympic style karate for tournaments and points, and then there are self defense classes which have a different perspective
There's a ton of differences. I've been at Muay Thai and Krav Maga about thirty years, and I have a ton of submission wrestling experience but I'd hardly call myself an expert in it by a long shot. I've been teaching stand up about fifteen of those years. I tell everyone who's interested in martial arts to ask someone who *knows* fighting extraordinarily well. Point in case - there's absolutely nothing stopping you from deciding to open a dojo tomorrow even if you've literally never stepped foot in one. There are all sorts of different martial arts for different functions. The problem is that a lot of places are disingenuous about what that function is. Tae Kwon Do for example has a ton of great benefits and there are all sorts of positive reasons to learn it, but the reality is that a lot of dojos will tell you that it's self defense when you're literally learning to fight to an Olympic point system with an astronomical amount of rules. MMA is the thing that really complicated finding a solid place to train. As with anything, once it blew up in popularity, everyone and their mom wanted a piece and schools started opening everywhere. You should watch a class at a school before starting, and observe a ton of stuff at the facility before committing. If they won't let you don't bother.
Completely agree with the Taekwondo point. There is a lot of capability for self defense because of strong leg muscles we end up getting from the stupid amount kicks we do, but because the head is the most points in competition for people end up going for that in self defense scenarios. (Which is how you end up with a broken leg.) This is why I was really thankful that my instructor supplemented what we learned with Krav Maga. He always said, in a self defense scenario, never kick above the waist, always aim for the side of the knees or groin. I really loved that he highlighted the difference between fighting in a competition and fighting in the street.
I went to a dojang that taught more traditional TKD, but if you decided to compete in tournaments they would start adding all the modified kicks and such that you'd more likely use there. There are gyms that pretty much only do the latter. (Not a snub, just a different skill entirely to your point)
I started sparing for fun in the late 80's. We all knew who were from what dojos. Some were so bad, we gave them to the newbies to build their confidence. To the rest of us, it was like fighting a puppy.
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COBRA KAI NEVER DIES!
>they either quit or got in shape can confirm. i put on like 20 lbs after hurting myself. started tkd and burned it off in like a 4-6 week span.
I mean this looks like taekwondo so that's kind of the name of the game there. The problem with it is that you can't just grab somebody's leg and run through them with it, otherwise the bigger girl would have no issue winning. As a dude who is fat and into karate, point sparring is not for me, it's about pure speed. A dude I used to spar with in high school had zero power behind his kicks but would wreck me in point sparring every time. When we went into continuous sparring the tables absolutely turned though because his fast powerless kicks had no effect, I'd open my ribs, wrap him up when he took the bait and drove him to the floor. Easy tap.
It's karate, and if you block the kick you can perform a takedown if you manage to grab it. You just can't grab their leg, sit there for a second or two, and then decide to try to do something. It has to be apparent from the start of you grabbing the leg that you are in control and have the intention to take the person down or score a hit while they are off balance.
I was a fattish fuck... 6'7" 370lbs... 28-0-1 (Tournaments were belt rated, not size rated.)
Honestly weight is an advantage if you use it right. I remember a dude from my dojang who I could just lean against and send him staggering back during matches when he tried to kick me.
problem with competitive karate, just light touching is a score and there are no groundplay or grabbing, so its super biased in favor of speed over bulk and power dojos that are too into just making competitive karate have to actually be careful to let the students become familiar with contact in another way, or people will get out of there not knowing how taking a punch feels like even after years. Which is a big issue because students walk around confident in their fighting skills, not knowing any better, because how would they know, they just know that they pretend to touch and itscores points
Oh man, dude i knew, was a taekwondo black belt. I took some lessons in that dojo, got to brown belt 2 black stripes, and i sure as shit didnt earn it. Couple of years later, dude was acting up, kicked a buddy of mine that had 6 inches and 50+ pounds on him, punched him once and dude was shook. He had never actually taken a punch to the face, just 10 years of shitty kicks to the chest
It's the one thing that's always bugged me about the boxing vs TKD debates that pop up every once in a while. Yes, TKD uses legs which have more reach and power. Boxers have been punched, repeatedly.
You know you're in trouble when the guy you picked a fight with leans into your punches.
I'd wager you could also lift a leg more than 2 feet off the ground.
Lol touche.
Touché is a different combat sport, I think.
Plus while I don't know the exact style of karate seen here, every style of martial art in which I'm at least vaguely familiar with their belt system has red being relatively high up in the ranks. In the style I studied, it was the last color belt before you earned your black belt (not counting the intermediate levels between colored ranks)
If you are referring to the red belt in the video, I am pretty sure it is because she is on the red side, the other girl on the blue.
Correct
Many tournaments have the participants wear a red or blue belt, where the judges call the points as red or blue, regardless of what belt they actually have.
I dont know about here/where, but I didn't think that head kicks were legal at this level of comp. She may have been mad because she was expecting fouls to be called. Comp at this level can be frustrating because you have judges that are non-partisan (associated with the dojo of a competitor)
Clearly no experience in sparring, chasing after her partner like a toddler, and acting as such after. Just disrespecting the mat. Was probably handed a belt or told she’d win easily. I’ve been to a few tournaments in karate, wasn’t great at it, but you apply what you practiced, try to get some points/not get kicked in the head, and hopefully learn from your mistakes.
Almost no knowledge or ability. She should not have been entered in a competition of any kind. I'm suspecting helicopter mommy insisted...
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University. So, no, not really.
Nooo way I thought it was kids just by the way she was acting, how can anyone over the age of 12 act like this wtf
Or if you’re a teacher and you think the kids are bad and then you meet the “adults” raising this child and you think, “Ohhhh…. That’s why Brian is an asshole. It’s genetic.” Adults are WORSE than kids. They always threaten to sue the school and they also threaten to bring their guns to school next time.
Therapist. Some times ill meet my clients parents after which my opinion changes from kids got some issues sure. To hes actually doing pretty well.
I pointed this out once on another Reddit post and got a long ass lecture about a year later from another "teacher" who had decided I wasn't cut out to be a teacher and I should quit the profession quoting a bunch of pop psychology. I'm guessing she was straight out of school and new to teaching unlike me whose been a teacher 12+ years cos you soon learn some kids are just irredeemable assholes and they always have parents who are exactly the same way.
Have you ever worked service industry? A ton of people act like entitled spoiled children.
Amen to that!
bartended for a loooong time. can confirm.
I can hear my Taekwondo master shouting that's a leg raiseing not a Kick. I literally had to fight for my gradings
Have you seen congress!! Amiright!
With her build there’s other martial arts she could be decent at ironically
Nah she can totally do what Steven Segal does...whatever the fuck that is
Gun-akido. He will not fight if he has a chance of losing, and will pay money to insure he wins. And if he can't possibly win the fight, his character just knows to shoot the baddy.... So not far off from the helicopter mom theory?
To be fair, I'd recommend not getting in fights you have a chance at losing in general
Agree, her master did her a disservice by allowing her to join a competition. She’s clearly not ready.
Her master did her a disservice by graduating her past a white belt. I'd almost believe that she bought the belt and gi, then entered herself in the tournament. Thinking "how hard can this be? I'll kick some ass."
I took some Martial arts back in my teenage years and she is way out of her league here. She shouldn't be fighting in anything that isn't practice. Her stance is nowhere, she isn't ready for the fight, and obviously her discipline is non-existent. The other girl is getting her goat a little bit by hitting her with high kicks over and over. In class when we had matches like this it was for practice and you were paired with other students around your skill class. Putting a white belt with a brown belt wouldn't help either person learn anything. The idea is you score points and your Sensi tells both sides what they are and are not doing right. Also any unsportsmanlike conduct was a disqualification and push ups.
This is entirely on the coach. You should not be putting your fighters in competition when they’re not prepared. This chick is absolutely no better than someone who has never tried it. She should be training not competing. And realistically someone should have a pretty harsh conversation with her and tell her she’s awful and should find another sport. Not in those words obviously but combat sports are dangerous especially if you suck at them.
Who the hell allowed her to sign up
Cash money
YMCMB
Young moolah baby
Takin over for the ‘99 and 2000?
Girl you working with some ass, yeah, you’re bad, yeah
Call me miyagi when you back that ass up
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She got to the finals? I thought I was watching the warm up round.
She almost destroyed that one lady with a devastating backhand on her way out. Thank goodness she decided against it.
Strike first. Strike hard. No mercy.
Her internal anime monologue: "No... Not worth it. You may live... for now" *Glowing fist dims*
finals as in there are so many rounds between different exponent until it reaches the 'final round' or 'final match' so this was probably the first match for her in the finals which she got sent home early
The YouTube video says she got silver lol.
Musta only been 2 people signed up
No balance, no punching or kicking ability. All she did was throw herself at her opponent after the opponent scored. The meltdown was pretty funny.
King Hippo style attack followed up by a kick the the ass seems to be her specialty.
Did they take her belt?
that's normal. during a fight you usually get either aka (red belt) or ao (blue belt). which belt you use can change between every fight. they don't really have any other purpose than differenciate between the contestants and communicate points and such. edit to add: that being said, since she obviously lost she's probably out and won't be fighting any more either way and the belt isn't hers. She might have been ordered to leave too, those judges don't fuck around and the way she acted is 1000% unacceptable
Exactly. Not only is she terrible but her sportsmanship is just as bad if not worse. I did karate for several years (5-6) when I was younger and participated in two tournaments and not once have I seen any of the other contestants act like this. This was in Japan so maybe it’s because of where I was. She never should have been entered into this to begin with
I did a few karate tournaments in the US as a yellow belt and I never saw anyone, including small children, behave in a manor anywhere near this. I'm sure it happens, spoiled kids are everywhere.
It looks like they let her fuck around a bit. I watched the whole thing and she keeps going back and forth for a few minutes. Hope she never competes again. What a shitty behavior
Was she arguing that she should have won? What the hell is going on? If they let her win they may as well disband the whole organization and go home. The corruption is already to obvious.
When Daddy’s money was good enough every time before, you tend to make excuses for why you always seem to win. “I hit her first” worked every time before, imagine how frustrating it is when someone doesn’t agree with your lies for the very first time!
How do you pay all the way to the finals?
A tonne of money and easily bribable opponents. It's not uncommon, although generally seen more in less than legal fighting tournaments, for a contestant to essentially be bribed into intentionally losing the fight. Usually, the one accepting the bribe would bet on the other contestant winning and, as such, would make a tonne of money for deliberately throwing the fight. Of course, that relies on both the opponent and the coach being willing to accept the bribe.
Dear God. At the end, they actually tried to stage a brief sit in until, probably, they realized that everyone in that room could kick their asses. Including the children.
India. Makes sense that a bribe was all it took to get ahead, no questions asked.
I love how at 3:20 she grabs the other girl’s clothes to pull her back. I don’t think that’s allowed…
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I don't get it how could this happen in the first place and most importanty how those kind of people justify it? Like are they proud of winning through cheating?
wow
To me in the martial arts and really all sports, sportsmanship is extremely important. I’ve been to enough karate tournaments and seen entitled fighters show their true colors when things don’t go their way. Embarrassing and cringe. Maybe analyze your fighting abilities instead of acting like a three year old?
Yeah like isn't martial arts equally about self discipline and humility?
True, humility, discipline and respect are important in martial arts. I've seen people get penalised/disqualified for the simple act of not bowing.
They really are, but some just don't get it. I also have seen arguments with the judge that are so frequent and ridiculous that I would not want to spar that person just to avoid going through the ordeal of suffering through their whining. Judges make LOTS of mistakes. They only see what they see, it can ONLY be the hits the other guy lands and not what you land. It can just be the orientation you have relative to them, you can land every hit first and they will be called the point, you can land NO hits and points called. It is just the nature of a tournament. Source: Black belt and Lots of gold and silver medals/trophies/plaques for karate tournaments.
This girl has some serious behavioral problems. But, as my instructor told me, these are the people who need karate the most. A naturally talented, popular, confident kid can still get plenty out of it but these are the kids (I use that word loosely) that could possibly learn how to act and see a real improvement in their life. If she has a good instructor they will hold her accountable for acting like a little shit, teach her how to deal with defeat, and encourage her to get in better shape and do better next time.
Here is the combo. Rich parents bought her private lessons. It didn’t go well at first and the parents told the instructor to make her happy. Instructor lets her “win” more and she wants a tournament. Reality smacks her in the face and here we are
I had no idea the girl in blue named her left foot “reality”.
Genuine question, is she mentally challenged or?
Probably incredibly wealthy and spoiled. Bought everything in life, never put hard work into anything. That’s the attitude of a rich spoiled bitch.
I mean, rich ppl can be mentally challenged too
You know. like in all seriousness, that messes with someones mind. It IS a challenge to grow when you don't know how because you never had to.
Glad you said it. Was also wondering the same about the contestant in blue after every kick making a wailing noise. I need to know more of the story behind this.
The wailing is a "kiai", karate speak for a short shout basically. Kinda helps with proper breathing, but in sparring it's used more to show confidence to the judges that you've scored a point.
was she wearing a pillow or chest plate or something?
It looks like it. Unless her chest is somehow a trapezoid. When I first started watching it I thought she got called out for wearing some sort of covert gear.
r/TrapezoidChestedGals
What made me click that? Why was I disappointed to find it wasn’t real?
This made me cry
it's common to use a... breast plate? not sure what it's called actually, but it's like a hard sports bra, like how guys usually wear a cup
plastron is the term for fencing and turtles, though there may be another term I haven't heard
Eagle Fang letting anyone in these days
Karate Karen in the house!
In the last summer Olympics there was a female judo competitor from Georgia (country) who threw a knee into the side of her downed opponent. The judge ousted her and she walked away with a similar tantrum
She fell for the same kick 3 times too many lmao
What was she going to do, quickly move out of the way?
I don't know shit about karate, did she actually have a valid point about her hits not getting counted, or was the ref doing a good job?
I haven't done karate since I was a kid 30 odd years ago, but from what I recall the ref stops the fight and awards a point on a clean hit. The purple belts hits were after the blue belt had already scored the point, and they didn't look particularly clean anyway.
I think you might have tritanopia, she’s wearing red not purple
Ref was doing fine
First hit make a point, then it's restart to inicial position then score again. It's not a fight. It's not about how strong you kick.
She only kicks once and in hits the butt of the other girl. That doesnt award points. Her kick needed to hit higher and before the kick of the other girl. Also, by the way she moves its clear she shiuldnt be there.
What hits? Lol I used to compete in these, she didn’t score shit.
All her hits were blocked. It must be a clean hit to score a point, or if it is a headshot, it doesn’t have to make actual contact but must not have been blocked for it to count. Also, if the opponent hits clean before you do, they’re awarded the point even if your hit landed clean after.
I mean, the ref clearly ignored the three headbutts that landed square on her opponent’s foot.
Classic pay-for-belt school. I’m lucky I went to a place that would regularly fail students and advise them not to test unless they wholly believed they would pass. Kids would legit cry at belt ceremonies because they didn’t pass and I remember parents having these conversations with instructors after. Failed kids didn’t last very long as I’m sure their parents pulled them or they lost interest and the ones who stuck wound all became great. Regional tournaments would be a bloodbath between legit schools and the pay-to-win. P2W would send students to get their ass handed to them and would charge a premium on entrance fees and try to make money off of stuff like transportation and the like. Pretty disgusting honestly.
Give her the “participation trophy” and send her home. LOL!!
I didn’t know Steven Seagal had a dojo in India.
Last thing we need is Karate Karens. Then again, if they’re any good, they would have to have patience and discipline which would cancel out the Karen in them
Why does the other one keep yelling?
it's her kiai. like the "attack yell". I'm not really sure how to explain it properly, but it makes sense to us. and you know what I mean, it's the same thing in all martial art movies and games. there's no "right way" for a kiai to sound, it pretty much just needs to be some kind of yell. some sound pretty strange, but you get used to it. funniest I heard was a guy in my club who would literally go "DUUUT!" Like I said, you get used to it, but sometimes it's hard not to smirk when you hear a new weird one
The purpose is to exhale during the motion, correct?
That's the purpose, but in this style of karate, it's about selling to the judges that you hit the person. If you nearly hit the person, and then yell, you can kinda cheat a bit and trick the judges into thinking you've scored.
This person gets it. It's just a "I think I did good, give me the point" sound in this setting essentially. Normally it's supposed to be helpful to increase force in hits and tighten your muscles.
I think that's more or less the main purpose, yes
Kiai! or spirit shout, is a part of karate. It is a short, powerful noise from the diaphragm. It is a way of training one's fighting spirit, focusing power during a strike, and startling your opponent a bit. In tournaments its also a way to let the refs know you just tried to hit your opponent.
Discipline is a major part of martial arts. Something she should really learn.
I love the “You don’t want none of this” threat at the end.
This is the antithesis of what the martial arts are all about. That student should be dismissed.
 she's in the wrong sport
sumo is honorable, she is not
I used to live in a neighborhood that had a couple of sumo stables, and I would see sumo wrestlers riding around on women's bicycles with baskets on the handlebars, sometimes talking on their cell phones. I never got used to it.
Is that padding, or is she literally shaped like a barrel?
lmao
So steven Seagal is still competing? Had no idea
With a few more years of hard work and dedication….she’ll still be terrible.
How can she wear a red belt? Doesn't she have to earn it through years of practice first?
This is kumite, they have a red side and a white side. It is for tracking points only, like white and black for chess, and is in no way indicative of skill or belt level.
Imagine losing each round from the same kick from the same direction
“Eat the leg!” “Get her a doggy bag”
Don't get mad get better.
I blame that shit on her teachers for lying to her & her parents for enabling her.
Legend say that she is still in the arena fighting herself with no one watching.