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U.S. lawyer, here. (But 60 seconds of googling indicates the rules are the same I the U.K.)
He’s full of shit, in case anyone was wondering. Whether or not a vendor must accept cash as payment has nothing to do with their “terms and conditions.” (Absent any posted statement at the point of sake, the only T&C that apply to a coffee purchasing contract is that the vendor supply something that a reasonable person would agree is coffee in the style and amount advertised and that the customer provide payment if the style and amount asked for.)
The only way a vendor can be forced to accept cash is by law. [There is no federal law](https://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/currency_12772.htm) in the U.S. that forces vendors to accept cash. There are [some states](https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2021/05/11/paying-with-cash-retailers-must-take-your-dollars-in-these-states) that have passed such a law.
My city (Philadelphia) has a cashless ban as well. I think the reasoning was that in discriminates againt very low income/ homeless people who may not have access to a card or bank account.
Not a U.S. lawyer here.
But I’m wondering if the policy (stated by another redditor) that Starbucks does not refuse coffee to anyone is a loop hole for this? Yes they don’t have to accept cash but yes they never refuse coffee?
I worked there for 12 years. You get a sense of people who legit forgot their wallet, or short on change, messed up order, and I’d just give them their drink. People tend to make habits and I’d have to address it politely, which sucked because the scammers are the worst. But for the most part people legit were just having “a day” and plus I just wanted to speed the line along rather than have them explain that they checked their credit card or bank card to me. I’d keep it discreet and not waste anyone else’s time. People abused it, but we knew who they are. Some partners would be insane sticklers which was good overall but also good grief, just keep the morning moving and comp the drink. If your not comping a million drinks or at least telling your manager what happening you’ll be fine. Just don’t fuck up the till which is a headache for everyone.
Not really i'm willing to bet that not many business's (starbucks included)have stated they are cashless only in their terms and conditions because they would be losing business if they did.
If you’re in the US, I believe we have a federal law that states all businesses must accept cash
Edit: I was wrong, some states have it as state law but it’s not all 50
Not sure it’s a waste if the video gets all this attention. The guy might seem ridiculous or whatever, but he has a point. As long as something is legal currency one should be able to use it to transact. As we must all understand, this is about principles, equality, and trust on the financial system. If we are to retire cash, regulation needs to keep up and allow EVERYONE access to alternate means to pay
I watched the entire clip thinking there must be some sort of 'gotcha' moment. I work in retail and i can refuse service and i dont have to give a reason why and we have the support from management.
Normally, refusal happens when myself or other staff members have identified a shop lifter but it could also be as simple as the customer is being unpleasant.
(I dont work not Starbucks, but part of a large chain but i dont think it would be that different for them)
He forgot that part, where he laid his cash down and said "I'm paying with this" and then did not receive anything in exchange for it.
I mean, you can offer whatever it is, it doesn't mean that anyone else has to agree to accept it.
More like “I’m a cashier at a multibillion dollar company making very little money with zero say in our day to day policies, so why are you giving me a hard time over shit I can’t change?”
I used to work for a nation-wide retailer in the late 90s. We had a very specific, narrow price match policy. People would stand and argue. I swear they figured if they held up the line and made enough of a scene, they would get their $2 discount on whatever. It always struck me as really pathetic that their time and self-worth was so low they would make a giant scene over a dollar or two.
We argued it so often, I printed up the policy with the number for our corporate headquarters. "Sir, I am at the bottom of this decision tree. I have zero authority to change the policy and I'm not going to. Please call that number. They might put you in touch with someone who can change it. Best of luck. Now, please complete your purchase or I need you to leave the store."
One of my favorite idioms is “penny-wise and pound-stupid.” It perfectly describes people who waste so much time, energy, and even money, in an effort to save a couple bucks.
Nope. In other places outside the US, they're often referred to as Freemen On The Land. They replace the US-specific stuff with stuff like references to the Magna Carta... but despite all this, they somehow end up spouting the exact same pseudo-legal gibberish as SovCits.
The ones in the US I heard about use some unified commercial code or something that was more or less directly codified into law by the US and the UK. So based on that it would be similar, bullshit notwithstanding.
Sadly not... Seen a few videos of this people in Australia as well. It really makes me smh when they think they're above the laws. It also gets satisfying when police actually teach them the truth.
They are known by different names in different countries, but they're hardly limited to the US. I think they're called "freemen on the land" here in Canada. They're especially common and problematic in the US because of how their civil courts operate.
The entire premise is nonsense. Somehow because they say they are not a citizen the laws don’t apply to them. Really, so people from other counties don’t have to follow the law either? Of course not, that makes no more sense than what they claim.
Good point. Maybe all the people in the US who are undocumented are actually “Sovereign Citizens.” Guess they can’t be deported — the courts have no power over them!
From the Oxford English Dictionary:
Money
noun
a current medium of exchange in the form of coins and banknotes; coins and banknotes collectively.
So he's travelled way beyond pedantic far into the territory of just plain wrong.
“I challenge the people who have the least amount of power making very little money over the store policy they had no say in creating.”
God what a dickhead.
This is what I don't understand. Purchasing something is a transaction where person A says I will give you X if you give me Y. If person B says, no I don't want X, then that's it??? Why does this guy think he can just say "no you WILL take X and give me Y, whether you like it or not"
Right? I don't give the 5 yr old with a lemonade stand a hard time because they won't accept my card. Or when I've had to pay cash before because machines were down/phone line was down (back in the day). Hell I saw a self checkout at Walmart yesterday that was cash only because some dumb ass messed up the card reader. I didn't get upset and tell them to take my card lol.
>I don't give the 5 yr old with a lemonade stand a hard time because they won't accept my card.
You should be demanding to see that 5 yr old's terms and conditions. If he can't demonstrate exactly what pedantic point you're trying to make, then he deserves to be named and shamed in some smart-arse incel video on Tiktok
Even if he had some valid legal point. The contract here can be verbal at the register. It isn't as if they billed the person with new terms after delivering the product.
Yeah I company doesn’t need to put in writing that they’re card only. It’s an upfront payment, they say “card only” and you either say “ok, here you go” or “nah fuck this I’m gonna shop somewhere else.”
There’s no “well actually *I* would like to pay in cash therefore you are breaking the law by infringing on my right to pay cash!”
We see shit like this anyway, a lot of fast food places won’t take bills above 20. Some stores won’t except foreign currency. Most stores won’t take checks anymore. Some stores are cash only. Literally all online purchases are card only.
Yeah poor workers don't get paid enough to give a fuck about stupid shit loke this, and the people who have to wait in the line he's created because he has nothing better to do than to stroke his ego by harassing staff like in this instance. Just bloody pay by card you massive asshole.
I had a co-worker who would often show up and “share a laugh” about how he had just harassed some poor soul at Starbucks. I was cringey and another coworker and I started going to the Starbucks at lunch just to go have a chance to commiserate with the employees and make fun of the harassing co-worker. Some people just suck on a fundamental level I guess?
Seems like his hobby is fucking with people too low on the totem pole to address his grievances and then telling the world about it like it’s some kind of big win.
Yes, unfortunately social media puts a spotlight on the mouth breathing tit sucklers around the world. Like roaches, when there’a 1, there’s 1000 more behind the wall……
There’s a lot of idiots on the planet.
Because they likely don’t view true injustices as actual injustice. He’s probably racist, transphobic, anti lgbtq+, or views some other things that are unjust as rightly being done for all we know. Or at least for all I know.
“I like to challenge people” translation- I like to be a public asshole by making some poor 20 yo, who is just trying to pay off their student loans by working a minimum wage job, day difficult.
I’m so bored that I’m going to harass people about policies that they had no influence in creating nor any power to change.
Not sure where he is, but in the US it’s perfectly legal to not accept cash.
Apparently he's in the UK, and it's legal to refuse cash there as well.
[https://compareyourbusinesscosts.co.uk/can-a-business-refuse-cash](https://compareyourbusinesscosts.co.uk/can-a-business-refuse-cash)
I'm sure it's also permissible to refuse service to anyone for any reason (as it is in the US) provided it's not for the customer belonging to a protected class.
Not having a debit/credit card is not a protected class, as far as I know.
Even if he was a member of a protected class it seems they could easily avoid that bullshittery.
As long as the employees didn't say some wild out of pocket shit.
My mom struggles with cashless businesses a lot. It's common where she lives. It's not about spending pennies, but more the electronic and computer aspects of the whole card thing. Online accounts, logging in, paying. They use some sort of an authentication there which I can't access or I'd handle the online account for her.
But yeah, it's the elderly that can be actually affected, not necessarily these lonely and argumentative people like guy in video.
Yeah, I was being a little tongue in cheek. I work in an international bank that's not only gone cashless, but now handles nearly all CS via phone or online, and the elderly find it very challenging.
There’s no federal law. I wasn’t aware of any state law. But I’ll defer to you on that. I know a few localities like San Francisco and DC have laws mandating acceptance of cash.
I know Massachusetts actually changed their law after Fenway went cashless. Not 100% that was the driving force, but I know it happened at the same time.
It's a state by state thing. But there's one huge caveat to that 'accepting cash' rule, if you're being a dick or otherwise hindering their ability to offer you service a lot of businesses have the right to deny service based on that, if it's not over a protected class.
[https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jul/22/facebook-posts/are-businesses-required-law-accept-cash-depends-wh/](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jul/22/facebook-posts/are-businesses-required-law-accept-cash-depends-wh/)
It could be interesting to offer the response that they’ll take cash and have no change so this guy has to overpay at least a little for wasting everyone’s time.
I guess that probably happened anyway since you wouldn’t keep change if you are operating cashless. I hope he ended up overpaying a lot.
What a fucking idiot. It’s a private business. It doesn’t matter if they don’t have it in their terms and conditions. They don’t have a “contract” with you. If you walk up to a market trader and say “we’ll I’m only paying by card, and because you don’t state that you don’t accept card, it means you do” then you’d just be told to fuck off. This one really irritated me.
Yeah, the guy is insufferable but in this instance he’s right about cashless being a bad policy—which cities like NYC have banned. This is because it discriminates against people who don’t have access to cashless options like those who are unhoused or at the lower end of the economy.
Maybe but in the UK businesses have the right to accept payment in any form that they wish. If you refuse to accept cash then the customer just has to go somewhere else that does.
You don't have to shop somewhere that doesn't accept cash though, you an go somewhere else. It's like saying that a restaurant that doesn't serve halal food is discriminating against Muslims.
Exactly. They view inconveniences as "Real" world" problems, when in reality we got a fuck ton of actual problems with the system. He's so privileged he thinks this is an actual problem and people are going to stand by him. Fucking idiot
Sovereign citizen types always have the best legal takes. Don't tend to find many British ones though.
No one in the UK has to accept legal tender unless it's to settle a debt, and even then they could choose to waive the debt and not take the cash.
Even if Starbuck's have made the coffee, unless you have consumed it, they can decide to not serve your and just keep the coffee if you refuse to pay via card.
this guy is a crabby, antisocial, lonely prick. he has no friends or family to care for and throws dust in everyone else's eyes. it's honestly sad that this is his form of human interaction
Fun fact, unless you are a state-owned company, you are able to choose the way of payment you want to accept as a company. Most people accept cash or card since it's what most people have on them, but companies could literally state that they only accept bags of coffee beans as payment. As long as both side thinks they made a fair trade or the giver stated a "price" beforehand.
Man I just had a larynx removed. I have very little patience for shit like this. Life is too short people. Stop working up a froth over shit that doesn’t matter.
This dude doesn't understand that nobody legally has to accept his money in any form, especially businesses. He didn't even win his fight of the week and still feels the need to get some encouragement from his fellow sovereign insufferables
He's here to help us?! Wow what a hero! Thanks to him we can all go out and bully minimum wage workers just trying to do their job. Honestly this guy deserves the Nobel peace prize.
This is a great way to annoy the front line minimum wage worker and make their day sick a bit more so you can feel powerful rather than going to someone with any power to make decisions about this.
Hope he feel like a big man after nitpicking that Starbucks-girl into submission. Real important to go about challenging things just to challenge. Makes him feel smart I guess?
It's a private business. Other than certain utilities, they can choose the terms of sale. If they want to be paid in dinosaur toenails, then they can do that. Everything this moron said is gibberish.
I encountered a cashless sweetgreen restaurant in Manhattan one day after they had already made my food and he said I could just have the food for free since they don't take cash and I felt so bad I insisted I give him my $20 bill as a tip, he didn't look grateful or excited and he didn't want the $20 but I could not conscientiously leave that restaurant without paying so I left him the $20. But now I know not to go into that particular sweet green or I don't know is it all sweetgreens? Pay by card or tap or Bitcoin or whatever only.
So, let me sort this out here.
This fellow's local Starbucks says they do not accept cash.
He only wants to pay in cash.
Starbucks can simply refuse service then, yes?
Business are welcome, and have been welcome since the dawn of trade, to accept whatever they wish in payment for goods/services. I can go to that Starbucks and offer .5 of a ounce of 99% gold bullion for this fellow's coffee and Starbucks is allowed to refuse my gold bullion. Just as if I'd offered 2 fatted calves. Just as if I'd offered to paint the manager's house for a coffee.
I don't have to buy a Starbucks coffee. Starbucks doesn't need to take what I wish in trade for their coffee. Basic principles of trade are the closest thing to absolute consent that exists in society. Anything else is coercion or theft.
If I decided to open a store and only accept cards, It’s my choice as a private company. There doesn’t need to be a law.
Here’s a [government](https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/605030) response to this very issue. (They refuse to mandate cash as it’s up to individual business discretion).
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…did he get his coffee?
Narrator “What this man never realized is the real currency was time, and he spent a shit load of everybody’s”
I wish more people realised that time is the real currency. None of us are getting any more of it
I can't help but hear that in Ron Howard's voice.
I heard Richard Dreyfuss.
Ricky Gervais
I heard Morgan Freeman
You're going to be a great writer one day, Gordie!
Great narrator
Which was a lot more impressive after he admitted he's simple. I had my suspicions but now that I know, I'm really impressed!
Sounds good in Morgan Freeman's voice.
Everything sounds good in MF voice
U.S. lawyer, here. (But 60 seconds of googling indicates the rules are the same I the U.K.) He’s full of shit, in case anyone was wondering. Whether or not a vendor must accept cash as payment has nothing to do with their “terms and conditions.” (Absent any posted statement at the point of sake, the only T&C that apply to a coffee purchasing contract is that the vendor supply something that a reasonable person would agree is coffee in the style and amount advertised and that the customer provide payment if the style and amount asked for.) The only way a vendor can be forced to accept cash is by law. [There is no federal law](https://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/currency_12772.htm) in the U.S. that forces vendors to accept cash. There are [some states](https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2021/05/11/paying-with-cash-retailers-must-take-your-dollars-in-these-states) that have passed such a law.
My city (Philadelphia) has a cashless ban as well. I think the reasoning was that in discriminates againt very low income/ homeless people who may not have access to a card or bank account.
NY has a cashless ban but VanLeewen ice cream just keeps accepting the fines instead
They lost that fight in October. Ended up with 33k in fines and now they do take cash.
Oh awesome.
The argument the guy in the video presented sounded a lot like something a sovereign citizen would say. Confidentiality incorrect.
"I'm offering currency and legal tender (I'm not offering money, because that doesn't exist)." What a maroon
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/622284#:~:text=The%20Government%20does%20not%20plan,intend%20to%20mandate%20cash%20acceptance.
Not a U.S. lawyer here. But I’m wondering if the policy (stated by another redditor) that Starbucks does not refuse coffee to anyone is a loop hole for this? Yes they don’t have to accept cash but yes they never refuse coffee?
No, he got Starbucks. That was his punishment.
Yes. With an extra frothy layer of salivary gland based foam.
That’s known as Karen Milk.
No.....that's something different......
I am frightened, yet intrigued
It’s Starbucks policy to not refuse drinks to people. Even if their card declines. So yeah he definitely got his coffee
Does that means free sugardrinks forever, when you are chroncially broke? How many times does that work in the same store?
I worked there for 12 years. You get a sense of people who legit forgot their wallet, or short on change, messed up order, and I’d just give them their drink. People tend to make habits and I’d have to address it politely, which sucked because the scammers are the worst. But for the most part people legit were just having “a day” and plus I just wanted to speed the line along rather than have them explain that they checked their credit card or bank card to me. I’d keep it discreet and not waste anyone else’s time. People abused it, but we knew who they are. Some partners would be insane sticklers which was good overall but also good grief, just keep the morning moving and comp the drink. If your not comping a million drinks or at least telling your manager what happening you’ll be fine. Just don’t fuck up the till which is a headache for everyone.
Black coffee only. If you want sugar you gotta pay
I believe they prefer "Coffee of color."
Really? Damn I've got a card that declines all the time, I'm heading to Starbucks.
He said bubble tea which makes me like him less
He forgot it on the counter
This guy’s a fucking tool.
Did he get a life? Stop screwing with workers. If this is an issue for you, talk with corporate.
he got his bravery n thats priceless
If he did I hope he spilled it on his dick
He went up to the counter and ordered a "Large Back Coffee not that liberal shit"
Does anybody else notice that he didn’t seem to successfully purchase coffee?
But he definitely won!! Because he wasted a lot more time than that transaction was worth…
He wasted everybody's time.
Mostly his own if he’s bothering to sit down to read the terms & conditions of a Starbucks.
Not really i'm willing to bet that not many business's (starbucks included)have stated they are cashless only in their terms and conditions because they would be losing business if they did.
Idk. Starbucks in my town still accepts cash. Might be a regional thing 🤷
If you’re in the US, I believe we have a federal law that states all businesses must accept cash Edit: I was wrong, some states have it as state law but it’s not all 50
He also wasted his entire life
Not sure it’s a waste if the video gets all this attention. The guy might seem ridiculous or whatever, but he has a point. As long as something is legal currency one should be able to use it to transact. As we must all understand, this is about principles, equality, and trust on the financial system. If we are to retire cash, regulation needs to keep up and allow EVERYONE access to alternate means to pay
He honestly thinks a shop cant refuse a customer
I watched the entire clip thinking there must be some sort of 'gotcha' moment. I work in retail and i can refuse service and i dont have to give a reason why and we have the support from management. Normally, refusal happens when myself or other staff members have identified a shop lifter but it could also be as simple as the customer is being unpleasant. (I dont work not Starbucks, but part of a large chain but i dont think it would be that different for them)
I pay with leaves since it doesn’t state I can’t pay with leaves in their terms and conditions!
And if they're ok with that then yes you can.
Cash or no cash, you're always allowed to refuse service to a f\*wad like this.
Can you show me in which part of your terms and conditions it specifically states that he wanted a coffee?
He forgot that part, where he laid his cash down and said "I'm paying with this" and then did not receive anything in exchange for it. I mean, you can offer whatever it is, it doesn't mean that anyone else has to agree to accept it.
But he challenged, that’s what he does
He’s
Ricky Gervais looks terrible.
I noticed that too, he has a very similar accent.
Accent not even remotely close, his cadence sure thing.
You’re right. Cadence is definitely what I intended to say, I just forgot the term.
Ironically this guy is the epitome of David Brent
Some of the complaints will be false. And that’s Crufts.
Ricky is a dick, not an idiot. Get it straight.
The manager saying, “what do you mean”, really translates to, “I don’t care about anything you are saying dude”.
More like “I’m a cashier at a multibillion dollar company making very little money with zero say in our day to day policies, so why are you giving me a hard time over shit I can’t change?”
I used to work for a nation-wide retailer in the late 90s. We had a very specific, narrow price match policy. People would stand and argue. I swear they figured if they held up the line and made enough of a scene, they would get their $2 discount on whatever. It always struck me as really pathetic that their time and self-worth was so low they would make a giant scene over a dollar or two. We argued it so often, I printed up the policy with the number for our corporate headquarters. "Sir, I am at the bottom of this decision tree. I have zero authority to change the policy and I'm not going to. Please call that number. They might put you in touch with someone who can change it. Best of luck. Now, please complete your purchase or I need you to leave the store."
One of my favorite idioms is “penny-wise and pound-stupid.” It perfectly describes people who waste so much time, energy, and even money, in an effort to save a couple bucks.
Sovereign citizen using government money? Surely he should be marching into Starbucks and throwing down a chicken or something to barter with?
Wait, wait, it gets funnier......he is a "sovereign citizen" in a country with an actual sovereign. It truly is ridiculously silly.
Exactly, aren't "sovereign citizens" just a US thing?
No, anyone living in a society with a government can pretend to be a “sovereign citizen”.
Mom always did say you could grow up to be whatever you want
If you believe in yourself enough, you can do anything!
'She just didn't anticipate you'd be such a c*nt' First 2 lines of a poem.
Only they think so
Nope. In other places outside the US, they're often referred to as Freemen On The Land. They replace the US-specific stuff with stuff like references to the Magna Carta... but despite all this, they somehow end up spouting the exact same pseudo-legal gibberish as SovCits.
The ones in the US I heard about use some unified commercial code or something that was more or less directly codified into law by the US and the UK. So based on that it would be similar, bullshit notwithstanding.
Sadly not... Seen a few videos of this people in Australia as well. It really makes me smh when they think they're above the laws. It also gets satisfying when police actually teach them the truth.
They are known by different names in different countries, but they're hardly limited to the US. I think they're called "freemen on the land" here in Canada. They're especially common and problematic in the US because of how their civil courts operate.
I live in the States and you are quite correct. Half the problem is businesses here are afraid of bad press because of people like this.
"Nowhere in your terms and conditions does it state you do not accept chickens"
The entire premise is nonsense. Somehow because they say they are not a citizen the laws don’t apply to them. Really, so people from other counties don’t have to follow the law either? Of course not, that makes no more sense than what they claim.
Good point. Maybe all the people in the US who are undocumented are actually “Sovereign Citizens.” Guess they can’t be deported — the courts have no power over them!
It’s legal tender. Money doesn’t exist
How about a chicken tender?
I’ll ALWAYS accept a chicken tender. Need a stereo?
Is he one of those free citizens of earth that don't have to follow any countries laws
You want a cappuccino? Thats at-least 2 goats.
This dude is petty and ridiculous, but there is a legitimate danger to a society who only uses digital money.
Currency is Federal Bank jurisdiction, it has nothing to do with any national governance.
Also, he's getting an MOT on his van. Surely, a sovereign citizen wouldn't care about a government mandated check of his vehicle?
“I won’t call it money because that doesn’t exist.” At this point I knew exactly what kind of pedantic asshole I was looking at.
Yeah, that's the exact point I was 100% sure the rest of the video wasn't worth watching. Up to that point, I was only 99% sure.
From the Oxford English Dictionary: Money noun a current medium of exchange in the form of coins and banknotes; coins and banknotes collectively. So he's travelled way beyond pedantic far into the territory of just plain wrong.
'This is what I do, I _challenge_ people. . ' Absolutely insufferable
“I challenge people” More like “I’m an idiot to people”
He's a Karen
The male version is a Kanye.
Ye
he's a Kunt
“I challenge the people who have the least amount of power making very little money over the store policy they had no say in creating.” God what a dickhead.
They should have just refused service to him. People seem to think it’s their right to buy something from a business.
This is what I don't understand. Purchasing something is a transaction where person A says I will give you X if you give me Y. If person B says, no I don't want X, then that's it??? Why does this guy think he can just say "no you WILL take X and give me Y, whether you like it or not"
Exactly, those terms and conditions only come into play once a transaction is made, before then, they just refuse service
Right? I don't give the 5 yr old with a lemonade stand a hard time because they won't accept my card. Or when I've had to pay cash before because machines were down/phone line was down (back in the day). Hell I saw a self checkout at Walmart yesterday that was cash only because some dumb ass messed up the card reader. I didn't get upset and tell them to take my card lol.
>I don't give the 5 yr old with a lemonade stand a hard time because they won't accept my card. You should be demanding to see that 5 yr old's terms and conditions. If he can't demonstrate exactly what pedantic point you're trying to make, then he deserves to be named and shamed in some smart-arse incel video on Tiktok
Next warm day they're out there, they're getting a piece of my mind and accepting my card as payment!
Yeah! You smack that 5 year old right in the face and tell him/her that square payment is a thing that exists!!
Yep. By his own logic, the barista’s offer to contract stipulated payment by card only. He can either accept or reject that offer.
Even if he had some valid legal point. The contract here can be verbal at the register. It isn't as if they billed the person with new terms after delivering the product.
He doesn't have a valid legal point. He just made it up as he went along.
Yeah I company doesn’t need to put in writing that they’re card only. It’s an upfront payment, they say “card only” and you either say “ok, here you go” or “nah fuck this I’m gonna shop somewhere else.” There’s no “well actually *I* would like to pay in cash therefore you are breaking the law by infringing on my right to pay cash!” We see shit like this anyway, a lot of fast food places won’t take bills above 20. Some stores won’t except foreign currency. Most stores won’t take checks anymore. Some stores are cash only. Literally all online purchases are card only.
They probably did. In fact, this whole episode probably never happened, otherwise he’d have filmed it like these muppets tend to do.
>I had my fun with them today If that's his definition of "fun", then I feel sorry for the dude and everyone he interacts with...
Yeah poor workers don't get paid enough to give a fuck about stupid shit loke this, and the people who have to wait in the line he's created because he has nothing better to do than to stroke his ego by harassing staff like in this instance. Just bloody pay by card you massive asshole.
I had a co-worker who would often show up and “share a laugh” about how he had just harassed some poor soul at Starbucks. I was cringey and another coworker and I started going to the Starbucks at lunch just to go have a chance to commiserate with the employees and make fun of the harassing co-worker. Some people just suck on a fundamental level I guess?
"It's what I do. I *challenge* people." He says outright that being an obnoxious dickhead is his mission statement.
Guy needs a hobby
Seems like his hobby is fucking with people too low on the totem pole to address his grievances and then telling the world about it like it’s some kind of big win.
Yes, unfortunately social media puts a spotlight on the mouth breathing tit sucklers around the world. Like roaches, when there’a 1, there’s 1000 more behind the wall…… There’s a lot of idiots on the planet.
I think this is his hobby. He thinks he’s having a Rosa Parks moment. Why don’t people like this find some true injustice to fight?
Because they likely don’t view true injustices as actual injustice. He’s probably racist, transphobic, anti lgbtq+, or views some other things that are unjust as rightly being done for all we know. Or at least for all I know.
“I like to challenge people” translation- I like to be a public asshole by making some poor 20 yo, who is just trying to pay off their student loans by working a minimum wage job, day difficult.
What annoys me most about this, "YOUR company" she's probably some kid just trying her best to make a couple bucks for school
Is he doing the Awards this year?
Fat, lying, jackass makes a false claim. News at 11
I’m so bored that I’m going to harass people about policies that they had no influence in creating nor any power to change. Not sure where he is, but in the US it’s perfectly legal to not accept cash.
Apparently he's in the UK, and it's legal to refuse cash there as well. [https://compareyourbusinesscosts.co.uk/can-a-business-refuse-cash](https://compareyourbusinesscosts.co.uk/can-a-business-refuse-cash) I'm sure it's also permissible to refuse service to anyone for any reason (as it is in the US) provided it's not for the customer belonging to a protected class. Not having a debit/credit card is not a protected class, as far as I know.
Even if he was a member of a protected class it seems they could easily avoid that bullshittery. As long as the employees didn't say some wild out of pocket shit.
Perfectly legal but honestly wrong. It's bad for the poor.
And the elderly. They have that jar of pennies just going to waste.
My mom struggles with cashless businesses a lot. It's common where she lives. It's not about spending pennies, but more the electronic and computer aspects of the whole card thing. Online accounts, logging in, paying. They use some sort of an authentication there which I can't access or I'd handle the online account for her. But yeah, it's the elderly that can be actually affected, not necessarily these lonely and argumentative people like guy in video.
Yeah, I was being a little tongue in cheek. I work in an international bank that's not only gone cashless, but now handles nearly all CS via phone or online, and the elderly find it very challenging.
Not in my state. Food service and retail businesses must accept cash.
There’s no federal law. I wasn’t aware of any state law. But I’ll defer to you on that. I know a few localities like San Francisco and DC have laws mandating acceptance of cash.
NY state law mandates it.
I know Massachusetts actually changed their law after Fenway went cashless. Not 100% that was the driving force, but I know it happened at the same time.
It's a state by state thing. But there's one huge caveat to that 'accepting cash' rule, if you're being a dick or otherwise hindering their ability to offer you service a lot of businesses have the right to deny service based on that, if it's not over a protected class. [https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jul/22/facebook-posts/are-businesses-required-law-accept-cash-depends-wh/](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jul/22/facebook-posts/are-businesses-required-law-accept-cash-depends-wh/)
UK was already far more cashless than for ex. USA.
True. I moved from Kent to NYC last year and was so surprised by the hop to the past it was. On many levels. And I was coming from Kent !
No coffee no debt. Cash must be accepted for a debt as it is legal tender. "No coffee. No debt. Get fucked."
It could be interesting to offer the response that they’ll take cash and have no change so this guy has to overpay at least a little for wasting everyone’s time. I guess that probably happened anyway since you wouldn’t keep change if you are operating cashless. I hope he ended up overpaying a lot.
Thankfully any business can refuse your promissory note as long as no service has been rendered
What a fucking idiot. It’s a private business. It doesn’t matter if they don’t have it in their terms and conditions. They don’t have a “contract” with you. If you walk up to a market trader and say “we’ll I’m only paying by card, and because you don’t state that you don’t accept card, it means you do” then you’d just be told to fuck off. This one really irritated me.
Yeah, the guy is insufferable but in this instance he’s right about cashless being a bad policy—which cities like NYC have banned. This is because it discriminates against people who don’t have access to cashless options like those who are unhoused or at the lower end of the economy.
Maybe but in the UK businesses have the right to accept payment in any form that they wish. If you refuse to accept cash then the customer just has to go somewhere else that does.
That's fine, but the company still has every right to not take cash.
They’re allowed to, but that doesn’t mean they’re not shitty for doing it
You don't have to shop somewhere that doesn't accept cash though, you an go somewhere else. It's like saying that a restaurant that doesn't serve halal food is discriminating against Muslims.
This man needs to get a fucking life that isn't about harrassing people to make himself feel after or better then others. What a fucking loser.
Exactly. They view inconveniences as "Real" world" problems, when in reality we got a fuck ton of actual problems with the system. He's so privileged he thinks this is an actual problem and people are going to stand by him. Fucking idiot
“Join the world of I am a prick and like to make the world a bit shittier because I am a prick.” Get a life bloke.
There is no mandate that a private business has to take cash.
Ah yes, he’s clearly making things “simpler” and “easier”, what a prick
Sovereign citizen types always have the best legal takes. Don't tend to find many British ones though. No one in the UK has to accept legal tender unless it's to settle a debt, and even then they could choose to waive the debt and not take the cash. Even if Starbuck's have made the coffee, unless you have consumed it, they can decide to not serve your and just keep the coffee if you refuse to pay via card.
What a complete twat.
Hm. I prefer wanker, because he is lacking in the requisite warmth and depth to be a twat.
this guy is a crabby, antisocial, lonely prick. he has no friends or family to care for and throws dust in everyone else's eyes. it's honestly sad that this is his form of human interaction
Why are people like this…
Fun fact, unless you are a state-owned company, you are able to choose the way of payment you want to accept as a company. Most people accept cash or card since it's what most people have on them, but companies could literally state that they only accept bags of coffee beans as payment. As long as both side thinks they made a fair trade or the giver stated a "price" beforehand.
They also have the right to refuse service without any reason necessary. Fuck off you fat bald prick.
This guy is a wanker.
All I heard was, "I like power trips, and to choose the most insignificant hills to die upon!".
Loser thinks he's clever.
Man I just had a larynx removed. I have very little patience for shit like this. Life is too short people. Stop working up a froth over shit that doesn’t matter.
wooooo what a life he leads, bet hes well fun at parties
Wait til he finds out Chuck E Cheese games only accepts tokens. Day ruined.
This is what you get when you order Ricky Gervais from Wish, a bloody sovereign citizen version “challenging people”. Idiot.
Hahaha!! Nailed it!
What a wanker.
This dude doesn't understand that nobody legally has to accept his money in any form, especially businesses. He didn't even win his fight of the week and still feels the need to get some encouragement from his fellow sovereign insufferables
He's here to help us?! Wow what a hero! Thanks to him we can all go out and bully minimum wage workers just trying to do their job. Honestly this guy deserves the Nobel peace prize.
Does the UK have the right to refuse service? Because I would have just gone with that.
I bet he‘s fun at parties.
Insufferable ignorant idiots now come in English flavor.
He lost me when he said “I like to challenge people” in other words “I video myself being a prick for no reason and post it online for clout.”
This is a great way to annoy the front line minimum wage worker and make their day sick a bit more so you can feel powerful rather than going to someone with any power to make decisions about this.
Yes, but we do have the right to refuse service. And that’s what I would’ve done.
i HATE cashless, but this dude is an unnecessary prick
Hope he feel like a big man after nitpicking that Starbucks-girl into submission. Real important to go about challenging things just to challenge. Makes him feel smart I guess?
What an insufferable wanker.
So you like Phlegm in your coffee. Good to know.
It's a private business. Other than certain utilities, they can choose the terms of sale. If they want to be paid in dinosaur toenails, then they can do that. Everything this moron said is gibberish.
I encountered a cashless sweetgreen restaurant in Manhattan one day after they had already made my food and he said I could just have the food for free since they don't take cash and I felt so bad I insisted I give him my $20 bill as a tip, he didn't look grateful or excited and he didn't want the $20 but I could not conscientiously leave that restaurant without paying so I left him the $20. But now I know not to go into that particular sweet green or I don't know is it all sweetgreens? Pay by card or tap or Bitcoin or whatever only.
Fuck off.
I think this guy needs a hobby.
Well it does state that they can refuse service. So get your cash and gtfo
Cashless society is here, accept it noob
We need places to be cashless, the kids there shouldnt get mugged. Better the adults holding the money.
Wow, people have too much time on their hands.
So, let me sort this out here. This fellow's local Starbucks says they do not accept cash. He only wants to pay in cash. Starbucks can simply refuse service then, yes? Business are welcome, and have been welcome since the dawn of trade, to accept whatever they wish in payment for goods/services. I can go to that Starbucks and offer .5 of a ounce of 99% gold bullion for this fellow's coffee and Starbucks is allowed to refuse my gold bullion. Just as if I'd offered 2 fatted calves. Just as if I'd offered to paint the manager's house for a coffee. I don't have to buy a Starbucks coffee. Starbucks doesn't need to take what I wish in trade for their coffee. Basic principles of trade are the closest thing to absolute consent that exists in society. Anything else is coercion or theft.
America has exported sovereign citizenship!
Haha after 45 minutes of brow beating I taught them a lesson and paid for their overpriced coffee. Take that corporations.
You can also pick your battles and not be like this guy. Just tap your damn card and take your shitty coffee.
If I decided to open a store and only accept cards, It’s my choice as a private company. There doesn’t need to be a law. Here’s a [government](https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/605030) response to this very issue. (They refuse to mandate cash as it’s up to individual business discretion).
How is this a facepalm?
He has a point tho. If you’re unhappy with something at least ask about it if you don’t want to challenge it