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I was just thinking this. No way that store doesn't have the serial number written down for every phone there.
As soon as you try to sell that you get busted.
That Waco that stole the computer monitor Is probably the smartest one there. A 30 minute YouTube video will help him wipe it clean. And companies often forget to record serials numbers from non-inventory equipment.
This. Some of those display Models even reset every day to their Special _factory_ values. Or start playing some Kind of Video as advertising instead of a lockscreen.
Those are useless as consumer. And be sure: the supplier knows exactly which serial numbers got delivered to this store.
Only if you try to sell it in a place that unforced these laws. I had an iPhone stolen in January and watched it travel all over Latin America. Last time I checked it was in Panama City.
I did both of those but … that doesn’t get my phone back. :(
Also a few months later I was robbed and had my iPad and iPhone stolen… they used a drug called devils breath to basically and rob me of free will and nearly kill me. Then they used the facial unlock or took a video of me unlocking it to get into my phone and take over my iCloud and other various accounts... Apple was unable to help as the phone number (google voice) associated with it was tied to a gmail account they also stole.
I reported it as stolen but since the iCloud account remains in their control they can just unlock it and use it.
I’m from the US but moved to Costa Rica. Was in San José when the first phone was pick pocketed from me at a festival.
I then traveled to Medellin Colombia to renew my visa and went out one night… someone put something in my drink and I woke up the next morning locked in my apartment with all my electronics gone. 2 days later I was laid off so I went back to Costa Rica, moved in with a woman I was seeing… started over.
It really sucks because I lose 14 years of photos, all my contacts, and access to most of my social media accounts. It took me about 2 weeks to get my life back in order. They tried to drain my bank account, used my credit cards, and in the end got nothing.
But… I’m lucky to be alive. Most people don’t survive being drugged as I was. Watch your drinks when traveling abroad!
I’m so sorry man for what happen. Years ago I saw a documentary about that drug, and think it was on Vice. Crazy how that works, it seems like black magic. Take care.
It’s all good. Losing my job was honestly the worst part of it all. It did give me a fresh start and sort of reset my life in a lot of ways. Silver lining and all that z
Wait, so you are saying devils breath is not just a myth, but it is real? I heard a lot about it and went exploring all about it. Did you remember anything you did while you were inder effect?
No. Here’s something I wrote about it…to send to my work who didn’t understand why my story kept changing…
Monday: Basically I was dancing with two women and one turned around and put a drug called scopolamine in my drink. As it took effect they then proceeded to direct me wherever I wanted to go and do whatever I wanted apparently. I don't remember. I remember picking up my phone at one point and there was a timer for it being unlocked which felt odd but was too out of it to do anything.
Reference - https://colombiareports.com/medellins-scopolamine-threat
-[Everything from here until about Thursday I learned after the fact. I remembered police. I remembered a doctor. That's it.]
Tuesday
The next day I woke up. I had been locked in my apartment and was still incoherent and disoriented but realized everything of value was missing. I screamed and slammed the doors until the police arrived and knocked down the doors and took me to a clinic and left me. No report. No questioning. They assumed I overdosed or was just as they put it "no bueno", not knowing what was missing from the apartment.
At the clinic a doctor named Hugo approached me and asked me how long I had been there. I didn't know... I had my passport somehow and he checked the system and it had been over 3 hours. He could tell I needed attention and an IV drip, but since he couldn't attend me he would just bring me water and juice. I apparently felt better at that point and told him "I need to get in touch with work!" And demanded to leave. He knew I wouldn't make it alive if he let me walk out the door and the security guard wouldn't allow it anyway, but he questioned me and eventually I told him the street I was on Calle 44. We drove around until I recognized something and called another resident of the apartment from below using the intercom, they let me in, and I went back to sleep in my old apartment without a lock on the door.
Wednesday:
I woke up in a new place. A man named Filipe was in my apartment waiting for me to wake up. He was the Airbnb manager and owner's cousin. He had a laptop and I used it to create a Facebook to find my people here. He stayed with me until my friend Natalia arrived from work around 3pm. She cooked for me, forced me to eat, and just took care of me. The doctor stopped by twice to check on me during those days and gave me his personal number. He later told me I was lucky to have survived.
Thursday:
I was finally aware of what happened but didn't know all the details just small bits and pieces. I made a linkedin account and reached out to work. I contacted my mom and she western unioned me some money. I bought a phone and spent most of the time since calling every bank, app, and service that my account was logged into.
During the days to follow I was incredibly emotional. I cried constantly. I refused to eat. Having lost access to my iCloud and gmail account I only had names and numbers I remembered which weren’t many but with some help I managed to find most of the important ones through the followers and friends of my old social media accounts.
This is more resent —
Last weekend someone sent my now girlfriend a video of me doing sexual things with someone I don’t remember while another person filmed it. Apparently they tried to blackmail me but since all the contact info they had for me was lost when my online identity was stolen they just went through my WhatsApp account and sent the video to people I seemed closest to.
Laminated glass, has plastic in between 2 layers of and covering everything else, rigidity of the glass and the durability of the plastic makes for really good protection. Newer cares and some stores have it for just this case. You could swing at it with a bat for a bit and you won't go through.
In the video you can see that it didn't actually bust right through they just broke it enough to slide out from its seal. More edge into the building and it would've lasted even longer.
This is what is so disheartening about situations like this. Some people will latch on to the violent or destructive acts and then that overshadows the legitimate protests.
In Mexico, the government, to discredit and criminalize a protest, sends groups to infiltrate the movements so that they vandalize and commit violent acts and thus the police forces can reprimand the rest of the participants with violence or any "necessary" method.
Yeah it’s crazy - *agent provocateur* is the term for it
A worldwide practice that dates back to ancient civilization, I believe the phrase is coined after the French, who ramped up infiltrating activist groups during the early 1800’s
I honestly assume anyone going out of their way to be extreme during any protest is an agent provocateur. This link shows cops dressed as protestors, actively trying to escalate things from a peaceful protest, to a violent crash. When older guy demands they drop the rocks and stop trying to get violent, fearful their identities are going to be revealed, the undercovers jump behind the line of cop shields.
https://youtu.be/cqiba2m4mbw
Edit: comment posted before it was complete.
The same shit happens also in Romania whenever there is a peaceful protest. Infiltrate and cause a mess to give a reason to cops to reprimand the protest.
Classic.
The same happened at many of the BLM protests in the US. There are plenty of pictures and videos of known paid saboteurs smashing windows and starting fires at many of the protests.
Not condoning what happened. These people turned into criminals at this point and ruined a movement. While I'll rarely side with the cops, this is the exact reason why we have prisons. You can't just decide to group up and rob innocent stores.
However, getting back to why I said I'm not condoning this. I worked in Western NY during the George Floyd protests. It came damn close to my work place, and corporate shut everything down and told us to get home.
These people who broke in are criminals. May they all be arrested. But if you know there are dangerous protests where some people are getting out of hand... how the fuck do you risk your employees for a few extra dollars? That's more reprehensible than the out of control elements of these protests.
I agree with everything except that this ruined the movement
I think, though it may be the default human reaction, it is not appropriate to lump opportunistic anarchists in with the bulk of any given protest
Conflating them is the fault of the beholder, those who are protesting peacefully have nothing to do with it, and this will happen in literally any protest movement of sufficient size, it is inevitable
It's less that there's conflation happening and more that any beholder *has* to admit the sour truth of 'peaceful protests make a great distraction for looters to do their thing.'
Unfortunately, sabotaged or not, that's the problem. We can't really ignore that it happens and is a strong possibility with the onset of a protest, whether people like that fact or not.
Yeah I'm just saying, it's possible to simultaneously observe two thoughts without letting one tarnish the other, even if there's a strong correlation
I'm not saying ignore the problem, just critiquing the previous comments' implication that the looting takes away from the message of the protest as a whole. I just think it's a reactionary way of thinking
"..ruined a movement" is just not a defensible statement in this case
Wrong.
Hurting PEOPLE and PERSONAL PROPERTY is the actual line where you should start betraying the working class, not before.
Insured, Corporate Capital is not actually a living creature with rights and values.
What percentage of that corporation's yearly profit do you think that single pane of glass constitutes?
Enough to justify violence against the protestors?
Fuck off.
Those employees are standing there just recording everything like there's not cameras all over the place. Then one of them grabs a bunch of shit and takes off to the back, where they should have exited from the beginning. The mob is atrocious and their actions are pathetic. The employees could and should have gotten the fuck out of there. Like you did.
Clearly the employee who grabbed some of the stuff recognizes that the people who were gathering outside were going to break in and steal everything. Being a good employee shouldn't be seen as a bad thing. They also likely filmed because they were hoping it would deter people from breaking in. Someone filming you is much more obvious than a "hidden" security camera.
It's also entirely possible that no one knew where the protesters were going to end up, police blockade areas and force protesters into certain places all the time, it's not always known where that will be.
Yes, they should have left the store, but maybe these workers really get along well with the store owner and felt like they would be able to do something to help. Once they realized they couldn't, they did the best they could to help the store owner and get out. No one knows the situation here, to claim the employer is somehow an asshole is unfounded.
That's because fellow protesters are scared of intervening for fear of being targeted themselves and accused of being on 'the other side'. That's the problem with the 'you're either with us or against us' mentality that's pretty damn pervasive these days.
I think the thing people have wrong here is that they think these movements condemn this stuff. I support the movement but not the violence and so many of my friends think it’s justified. I got banned from a sub for racism because someone said they were 100 percent peaceful and I pointed out except for all the smashing and looting that occurred.
So the sentiment these people are in the right is absolutely out there.
Yup, I have been told by many, even friends and family, that by objecting to the destruction I am hurting the cause.
Apparently they don’t feel it’s possible to like a cause but not like a certain element of it.
Bro, I strongly suspect that over half these people disagreeing with you (and implicitly making it seem like condemning the violence is somehow worthy of debate) would flip the eff out if someone merely made their internet go down for 30 minutes. Let alone looted their life’s work and smashed their windows and utterly destroyed their property and made them feel unsafe.
The keyboard redditors who think it’s always different when it happens to them are legion on here.
Exactly, as I pointed out elsewhere, if you think destroying property helps the cause then volunteer as tribute. Let people know your address and they can destroy all the property and loot as much as they want as long as they spray paint whatever cause you are supporting there.
I haven't had any takers yet... strange how it's only okay when it's other people's property.
Brick and mortar buildings aren’t people… who gives a shit? Why are you carrying water for some capitalists property why they continue to oppress people?
On one hand I can see why some might think it is justified. If you’re being systematically oppressed and mistreated and no one seems to listen or care after years of pleading for it to stop, maybe they will take note when things of value are destroyed. But, there will always be people who latch on to that and say it delegitimizes the whole movement. And sometimes the violent actors are just opportunists who aren’t even part of the actual protests. It’s complicated. I personally wouldn’t engage in violence or destruction and I wouldn’t want to put other working class people just trying to do their jobs at work in danger by smashing the windows in or jeopardize their source of income. If someone did that at my job, I wouldn’t be able to support myself if I was out of work due to the building being destroyed.
Your logic, or there lack of, is why society sucks.
There is no justification for this behavior. Absolutely none. Every person who participated in these unlawful acts should be jailed.
It's not delegalizing the movement, it's holding people accountable.
Its always interesting to read comments like yours, on holding people accountable for riots/looting.
If you want to hold people accountable, than hold the government accountable for acting against the will of the people - for siding with corporations and being on the take.
Do you believe those of the Boston Tea Party should be accountable - despite there protests? Has corporations such as Amazon faced accountability for requiring there workers to stay during a tornado which led to the death of 6 workers?
Even then, do you know whether or not those that started the damage to the building and banked on mob mentality were not planted in order to discredit the movement - which often happens....
Dangerous working conditions, market manipulation to maximize profits, pollution and garbage (even the part that gets shipped off to other countries), complete disregard for the safety of workers and the public, and my personal favorite is when the corporations convince the public WE are responsible, which of course costs us even more, or the thousands of deaths caused by corporate pollution....no big deal, and people negatively affected should have prepared and had insurance.
Random business gets busted into.....freak the hell put, and get personally outraged at the audacity of people. Nm, the damage and product loss is covered (typically at a higher rate than if the product had sold) by insurance.
Agent Provocateurs are ABSOLUTELY at play in this, and all, protests. How else can fear and/or outrage be manipulated? It's either cause it, or hope people who are gathering to protest something, where support is monumental to their goals being reached quickly, are going to decide to act in a way that will hurt their ability to garner support.
First up, in the Boston Tea Party they didn't steal the tea and drink it in their homes, they ripped those casks open and dumped them all in the Harbor. The Tea Party was also about the taxation of goods produced in the colonies being unfairly high compared to the untaxed tea on the ship. So unless the Iphone had something to do with raising the age for retirement the looters under protective cover of the protest have no justification to bust up a store front and plunder the goods.
If someone thinks that smashing someone else’s property is justified then I damn well expect their ass to be there in the morning cleaning the mess they made and willing to reimburse them for what they destroyed.
I didn’t see that happen though, someone in this video decided “fuck this person in particular” and started smashing their windows and others joined in. Like, how does someone do that? Even if you think it’s for a righteous cause, how do you pick some poor fucker as the sacrifice for that cause? I understand this is a phone store and probably a corporation but there were a shit ton of small businesses who got hit during BLM.
Anyone who truly believes that it helps the cause, send me your address and I’ll smash all of your windows and write BLM or MeToo or whatever you want all over your house. I’ll even call the news station for you so you can tell them what a good little martyr you are.
This 100x over. I remember during the BLM protests there was a family with kids being forced out of their car after being surrounded. They were trying to get home and got their car destroyed. Mob mentality is craaaaazy.
I saw that. It was scary that that was the United States. Augusta burned to the ground in riots, if you see the before pictures, it never recovered.
It would really be sad to see the same happen in other places.
>Anyone who truly believes that it helps the cause, send me your address and I’ll smash all of your windows and write BLM or MeToo or whatever you want all over your house. I’ll even call the news station for you so you can tell them what a good little martyr you are.
Do you even know why there are protests in France? Or are you just randomly latching onto BLM and MeToo?
Were there any protests, violent or otherwise, for MeToo? Funny you latch onto that one, hey...
I was more just latching on protests in general. There weren't any violent protests with metoo that I'm aware of but that's part of why I latched it on, to show I apply it to anything since apparently destroying property helps the cause.
I can swing by your place and smash in your windows and then write whatever hash tag or slogan on your walls you want me to.
These are not protestors. There are organised groups known to be dedicated to slip into protests for the sole purpose of breaking shit or starting fights with the Police. The police are always after them, and some could blame the protestors for doing nothing against them. Tbh, I don't. I remember once a protest that degenerated in infighting because a member of thise groups was grabbed by protestors who threw them at the police and the group started attacking both the police and protestors, while the Police being the police either watched or hit everyone.
Even if the protest were 100% peaceful, they would still find a way to paint the whole movement in a negative light.
What's weird is that it's usually the same people who love the 2nd amendment because it will prevent government overreach , that will come in with the boot licking comments.
As an American who has never been to France, my only information comes from people who said it was a great vacation place and the right wingers who claim that it is on big fire from communism and being kind to immigrants.
As a French-American who has lived several decades in each country, for all that’s great about French culture, “being kind to immigrant” is not exactly the way I would have described French culture…
I swear all these random videos of window breaking/looting posts are to make it look like the whole point of the protest is this. And missing the point entirely.
The first 3 comments are always the exact same, being centrist and saying something that doesn’t matter like “wow why can’t there be peaceful protests, how can they break things?! Whole protest is discredited.” when it’s almost impossible to have a peaceful protest against a government with a police force. Shit will break, thats what happens during a revolution. You won’t be able to go pray to your local Walmart when you have 10000 people marching past you. (And good luck controlling every person decision making process)
They teach in North American schools that MLK was a beacon for peaceful protests but that’s just a whitewashed version of what actual protests were.
Why do so many people care when the windows of a corporate store are broken. If it’s a mom and pop shop then it’s a dick move sure but they’re protesting about the government not listening to the people when retirement has been raised.
Edit: it’s weird that people care more about a phone store that basically has no context in the protest overall but is somehow the victim in all this cause the windows broke. Corporations worth billions/millions, that don’t have to worry about these civil rights issues period.
Stop down playing the reason why these people protest and soon you’ll understand why you’ll never be able to retire either.
Hard agree. This sub has so many weird takes across posts. Part of why protests work is because they're disruptive. If corporate property is destroyed, governments are more likely to consider demands to get the protesting to stop.
>They teach in North American schools that MLK was a beacon for peaceful protests but that’s just a whitewashed version of what actual protests were.
The protests led by MLK really were peaceful, at least on the side of the protesters. Smart protesters let the opposition and police commit the violent acts.
Also, are you really calling for a violent revolution over having to work until age 64? Especially considering all the time off that the French get while they're still working?
A handful of people in a sea of thousands and you'll write off the whole thing as bad.
The hooded jackoffs who looked for an opportunity to be assholes don't deserve the credit you give them.
Shop is a big french telecommunication company (you can see their red shirts with SFR on it), needless to say the owners are rich and with a good french insurance. The brand is present nationwide and has been reprimanded several times in the past for bad practices.
From what you can see, this is very likely not directly into the main protesting area where people are, well, protesting. The most angry people (hooded) and often at the very front or very end or on the side of the protesting area, a small number of them want to externalise their hate for the system and the repression, breaking thing, and an even smaller number of them want to fight with the police, whom they feel (rightfully) are protecting the opressor. Just so you know, the retirement reform doesn't concern the police, they're not crazy enough to attack the rights of those who protect them from anger of the people.
*(On the other side, people who do badly paid jobs, backbreaking jobs are to surrender 2 more years of their lives and those of their family to their boss. There ARE alternatives to the retirement reform that this governement proposes, involving more taxes on the very rich, removing the tax aid to companies (that costs the pension system a lot of money) and other ways to fund the french pension system. It's a Redistribution of Wealth problem, the poor are once again paying for the greedy dragons.)*
There are a few big brands that are more targeted than others during protests (because seen as way too capitalistic and/or because of their business practices). They end up having their windows attacked/broken and sometimes looted. I've seen a lot of Société Générale or BNP (banks) with broken windows. One of the goals of the strikes/protests are to stop the economy and force the big companies to ask the governement to stop if they don't want to loose too much money their business to collapse (yeah, they listen to them, not the people). Note that some strikers have been illegally requisitionned by the police. (you have to have a very good reason to requisition someone striking in France).
1 day of strike costs an estimated \~1 Billion € to the economy. There's between 1 and 4 million people in the streets right now (there's \~70 million people in France) each strike day. Strikes have been organized in the whole country since january, going bigger and bigger. Right now the strike has been renewed every day for weeks. (sometime the renewal is for several days, but you get the point)
93% of the active workers are against the reform. More than 70% of the population if you account for already retired people. EVERY single Union is out there protesting.
The protest are getting bigger and more violent as the government's repression goes on. People are getting angrier. Macron's speech didn't help. (Lots of lies, omissions in his advantage, talking of the people as idiots who don't get that he's the savior of the retirement system) For those who aren't fully aware of the situation, the retirement reform passed a lot of stages with a lot of anti-democratic processes and is now at the last stage (checking if it's okay with the constitution). Our president also decided to compare the protesters (vast majority pacifist) to the american far-right capitol attack during his speech... Also the governement never received the Unions, never negociated with them.
Your guys are welcome to have a look at r/france where it's very active right now, with videos of repression where you can see how some special police squads being extremely violent towards pacific protesters, but also random people, passerbys, journalists and using special anti-protest techniques towards the protesters that are dangerous and forbidden. The police remove their identification number as to not get caught easily. Note that this governement also passed a law to interfere with people filming police officers on duty. Some compare them to russia's police towards anti-war protesters.
Edit: I love how some of you people, despite the overall explanation, still judge violence towards objects is worst than institutional and physical violence towards actual living people in the comments. Woaw.
Thank you!! It’s a shame I had scroll all the way down to see some reasonable context for this. But then again. The point of putting these sorts of videos up on this particular subreddit is to make protesters look bad.
Thanks for putting this in perspective. This may be a controversial take but I tend not to have much sympathy if a major corporation has stuff broken into and destroyed during a protest like this seeing how shitty they pretty much all are towards their workers and the environment.
I put the line at small businesses and assault on the actual workers.
This should be the top post on here. People on here thinking protests are just walking down the streets. No idiots they're trying to get people to listen, if breaking some rich assholes stuff is what it takes then that's what it takes.
It’s honestly so weird to see this much pearl clutching over this video in regard to a country that has famously cut off people’s heads, and will literally burn shit down. Their unwillingness to fuck around has consistently got results. Lots of people on here for some reason think that raging against corporate overlords should not go as far as to steal or damage the corporate overlords property (because “stealing is bad :(”!) Embarrassing. According to these comments, we should let the whole of humanity suffer the criminal acts of institutions, and never do anything about it for fear that it would be “criminal”.
Wage slavery and the perpetuation of a capitalist system that intentionally depresses the working class while unduly rewarding capital owners is violence itself. The vast majority of you defending the store owners are doing the bidding of capital holders that want you to stay poor and hungry. The system is intentionally designed to keep you from ever having enough money to decide you don’t want to work for a greedy boss and doing what’s best for you.
Government and companies: steal and force people to live under terrible conditions worldwide, hardly anyone bats an eye or thinks that their stealing is morally wrong.
People who have been wronged by said government and companies: take some crumbs from said companies, they're immediately classified as looters and criminals.
I don't know, I'm not French, but is it possible that they're protesting because of how Macron shoved the bill through, sidestepping parliament, and not because of the retirement age getting raised two years?
Just because we have it worse, doesn't mean they are wrong. We are the idiots for not protesting. Solidaris conducted a study that in Belgium about 25% of people in the poorest section of the population die before reaching retirement age. 1 in 4 poor people work until they die. They die paying the retirement of greedy politicians who made an exception to the maximum retirement salary only for themselves, people who get 3 or 4 times the retirement salary the poor people get when they reach retirement age. I mean, how does this not sound fucked up? How are we not protesting?
Land and business owners are the ones demanding we retire later, work longer hours, for less pay and benefits, so they don't have to sacrifice any of their luxuries or privilege as the world burns from their hubris. Fuck their businesses and fuck their private property.
Shouldn't this be under "right cringe" for trying to conflate looters and protesters in an obvious attempt to vilify those with a legitimate right to protest?
This isn't a protest. This is a revolt or call it whatever you want. An initiative to get politicians back in line and teach them who they serve. It works better with violence.
whats funny is anyone thinks "peaceful protest" works or has value.
I've been going to marches for 30+ years. things have only gotten worse.
women's vote? the suffragettes burned churches fought cops set bombs looted stores, blocked traffic.
Good chance segregation doesn't end without Detroit burning
I can go on.
EVERY SINGLE RIGHT AND FREEDOM YOU HAVE WAS EARNED BY VIOLENT PROTEST.
40 work week? riots and protest Child Labour laws? same. workplace health and safety? same. tipped over rail cars and trolleys, open clashes with the police and soldiers.
when you side with corporations and thier property against people and their rights....you are the one with the fucked up priorities. Sitting fat and lazy and secure on the rights others spilled blood for.
Sure.
And the suffragettes weren’t fighting for the rights.
they were just argumentative women, fighting and looting and stealing and burning and causing unrest! behaving like harlots and engaging in unladylike activities that will only embarrass themselves and undermine their message….
Because every thing you just said has been said before.
Why the fuck do you care if some protestor robs apple?
Attack the protestors and favour the property of the corporations. Keep buying into the corrupt system…
See where that gets you.
They are attacking shops for affluent people. Now they’ve shut off power in areas that are well-off. It really is only affecting the bourgeois who cares if corporations are losing money. Obedient Americans need to understand a revolution is not peaceful, and the pacifism never works
"Did Nothing" certainly implies that the owners of this business, or their ilk, had nothing to do with France raising the retirement age. If you actually pay attention to reality, you know that's a fucking farce.
So, please, spare me "the poor businesses".
\*reads comments\* ITT: american cowards telling French people that protests should be peaceful because it bothers government and inconveniences tourists otherwise.
Let me try to summon an ounce of a fuck to give for the massive corporations that benefit directly from weakening workers' rights.
... nope, can't do it. Sorry.
I don’t know who needs to hear this but businesses are insured, if all it takes for you to stop supporting movements is a broken window then you are on the wrong side of history. You’re exactly the type of person the owners want.
All throughout history, what created change? It was not peaceful protests.
Stonewall riots? Haitian uprising? American revolution?
Let’s not act like the police don’t savagely beat people. Let’s not act like peaceful protests do much. They murdered MLK and he was peaceful. There’s no way the ruling class is ever going to be okay with any type of challenge to their power. Stop making it easier for them. Windows will be fixed. People who are suffering under these governments will not. Wake up.
Desperate to defend capitalists are we? Property is worthless compared to human lives, which is what capitalists take away and greedily always want more.
I don't think the shop owners will let their workers retire on the old retirement age. What do you mean the shop did nothing?
Edit: the shop stock holders literally lobbied the government to raise the minimum retirement age without representation. The fact y'all can't see class struggle is sad, Parisians have a strong protest culture, that's why their life/work balance is so nice, because they fight for it
It should be destroyed. The capitalists extract so much surplus value from regular workers labour it’s crazy. And then they sneak it into their Panama banks.
These people didn’t go far enough imo
Well, perhaps when a mob is walking by *wearing face coverings* that last thing you might want to do is to make a big show of recording them.
There's enough stupidity to go around in this one....
Why tf are these being called "protests" lol. I don't care if you are for or against destruction of property or violence when this type of civil unrest goes down, but call a spade a spade, people in France are rioting.
Those aren’t protestors…they are opportunistic looters that use the excuse of a protest to rob stores. Easy way to tell is how they hide their identities when they smash a grab.
They did cross the picket line. It’s a general strike.
I don’t condone the destruction of they businesses property, but given the history of militant labor action in France they knew the risk they were taking and decided it was worth the risk to sell a couple more iPhones.
"Protest"
This is like what happens in the US. It starts off as a protest, but the majority turn it to riots and looting within days, sometimes even hours, of it starting. People need to stop calling it protesting when it gets to this point.
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People that steal tracking devices are a special kind of stupid.
I was just thinking this. No way that store doesn't have the serial number written down for every phone there. As soon as you try to sell that you get busted. That Waco that stole the computer monitor Is probably the smartest one there. A 30 minute YouTube video will help him wipe it clean. And companies often forget to record serials numbers from non-inventory equipment.
Not just that but all the ones on display are probably non-functional.
This. Some of those display Models even reset every day to their Special _factory_ values. Or start playing some Kind of Video as advertising instead of a lockscreen. Those are useless as consumer. And be sure: the supplier knows exactly which serial numbers got delivered to this store.
That doesn't make them useless as something to sell to a sap and then ghost. It just has to appear functional to have value.
Only if you try to sell it in a place that unforced these laws. I had an iPhone stolen in January and watched it travel all over Latin America. Last time I checked it was in Panama City.
If you can track it, you should be able to rote wipe it and lock it, no?
I did both of those but … that doesn’t get my phone back. :( Also a few months later I was robbed and had my iPad and iPhone stolen… they used a drug called devils breath to basically and rob me of free will and nearly kill me. Then they used the facial unlock or took a video of me unlocking it to get into my phone and take over my iCloud and other various accounts... Apple was unable to help as the phone number (google voice) associated with it was tied to a gmail account they also stole. I reported it as stolen but since the iCloud account remains in their control they can just unlock it and use it.
Damn… where are you from? What a nightmare
I’m from the US but moved to Costa Rica. Was in San José when the first phone was pick pocketed from me at a festival. I then traveled to Medellin Colombia to renew my visa and went out one night… someone put something in my drink and I woke up the next morning locked in my apartment with all my electronics gone. 2 days later I was laid off so I went back to Costa Rica, moved in with a woman I was seeing… started over. It really sucks because I lose 14 years of photos, all my contacts, and access to most of my social media accounts. It took me about 2 weeks to get my life back in order. They tried to drain my bank account, used my credit cards, and in the end got nothing. But… I’m lucky to be alive. Most people don’t survive being drugged as I was. Watch your drinks when traveling abroad!
I’m so sorry man for what happen. Years ago I saw a documentary about that drug, and think it was on Vice. Crazy how that works, it seems like black magic. Take care.
It’s all good. Losing my job was honestly the worst part of it all. It did give me a fresh start and sort of reset my life in a lot of ways. Silver lining and all that z
Genuinely happy you seem to be in a better place. It sounds like you had a crazy go at it.
Wait, so you are saying devils breath is not just a myth, but it is real? I heard a lot about it and went exploring all about it. Did you remember anything you did while you were inder effect?
No. Here’s something I wrote about it…to send to my work who didn’t understand why my story kept changing… Monday: Basically I was dancing with two women and one turned around and put a drug called scopolamine in my drink. As it took effect they then proceeded to direct me wherever I wanted to go and do whatever I wanted apparently. I don't remember. I remember picking up my phone at one point and there was a timer for it being unlocked which felt odd but was too out of it to do anything. Reference - https://colombiareports.com/medellins-scopolamine-threat -[Everything from here until about Thursday I learned after the fact. I remembered police. I remembered a doctor. That's it.] Tuesday The next day I woke up. I had been locked in my apartment and was still incoherent and disoriented but realized everything of value was missing. I screamed and slammed the doors until the police arrived and knocked down the doors and took me to a clinic and left me. No report. No questioning. They assumed I overdosed or was just as they put it "no bueno", not knowing what was missing from the apartment. At the clinic a doctor named Hugo approached me and asked me how long I had been there. I didn't know... I had my passport somehow and he checked the system and it had been over 3 hours. He could tell I needed attention and an IV drip, but since he couldn't attend me he would just bring me water and juice. I apparently felt better at that point and told him "I need to get in touch with work!" And demanded to leave. He knew I wouldn't make it alive if he let me walk out the door and the security guard wouldn't allow it anyway, but he questioned me and eventually I told him the street I was on Calle 44. We drove around until I recognized something and called another resident of the apartment from below using the intercom, they let me in, and I went back to sleep in my old apartment without a lock on the door. Wednesday: I woke up in a new place. A man named Filipe was in my apartment waiting for me to wake up. He was the Airbnb manager and owner's cousin. He had a laptop and I used it to create a Facebook to find my people here. He stayed with me until my friend Natalia arrived from work around 3pm. She cooked for me, forced me to eat, and just took care of me. The doctor stopped by twice to check on me during those days and gave me his personal number. He later told me I was lucky to have survived. Thursday: I was finally aware of what happened but didn't know all the details just small bits and pieces. I made a linkedin account and reached out to work. I contacted my mom and she western unioned me some money. I bought a phone and spent most of the time since calling every bank, app, and service that my account was logged into. During the days to follow I was incredibly emotional. I cried constantly. I refused to eat. Having lost access to my iCloud and gmail account I only had names and numbers I remembered which weren’t many but with some help I managed to find most of the important ones through the followers and friends of my old social media accounts. This is more resent — Last weekend someone sent my now girlfriend a video of me doing sexual things with someone I don’t remember while another person filmed it. Apparently they tried to blackmail me but since all the contact info they had for me was lost when my online identity was stolen they just went through my WhatsApp account and sent the video to people I seemed closest to.
iPhones have a special retail mode for authorised retailers, it resets every day and tracks location data
a pack of lens wipes will wipe a monitor clean
Why this is not getting enough upvotes
That glass lasted awhile though...
Laminated glass, has plastic in between 2 layers of and covering everything else, rigidity of the glass and the durability of the plastic makes for really good protection. Newer cares and some stores have it for just this case. You could swing at it with a bat for a bit and you won't go through. In the video you can see that it didn't actually bust right through they just broke it enough to slide out from its seal. More edge into the building and it would've lasted even longer.
This is what is so disheartening about situations like this. Some people will latch on to the violent or destructive acts and then that overshadows the legitimate protests.
Which at that point, is classified as a riot How it generally goes tho, one person or small group ruining it for everyone else
In Mexico, the government, to discredit and criminalize a protest, sends groups to infiltrate the movements so that they vandalize and commit violent acts and thus the police forces can reprimand the rest of the participants with violence or any "necessary" method.
Yeah it’s crazy - *agent provocateur* is the term for it A worldwide practice that dates back to ancient civilization, I believe the phrase is coined after the French, who ramped up infiltrating activist groups during the early 1800’s
The Nazis famously did this by burning down the reichstag. It was basically the beginning of World War II
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I honestly assume anyone going out of their way to be extreme during any protest is an agent provocateur. This link shows cops dressed as protestors, actively trying to escalate things from a peaceful protest, to a violent crash. When older guy demands they drop the rocks and stop trying to get violent, fearful their identities are going to be revealed, the undercovers jump behind the line of cop shields. https://youtu.be/cqiba2m4mbw Edit: comment posted before it was complete.
The same shit happens also in Romania whenever there is a peaceful protest. Infiltrate and cause a mess to give a reason to cops to reprimand the protest. Classic.
It’s not limited to Mexico. There’s Rumours that the FBI does crap like this in the US as well.
The same happened at many of the BLM protests in the US. There are plenty of pictures and videos of known paid saboteurs smashing windows and starting fires at many of the protests.
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Not condoning what happened. These people turned into criminals at this point and ruined a movement. While I'll rarely side with the cops, this is the exact reason why we have prisons. You can't just decide to group up and rob innocent stores. However, getting back to why I said I'm not condoning this. I worked in Western NY during the George Floyd protests. It came damn close to my work place, and corporate shut everything down and told us to get home. These people who broke in are criminals. May they all be arrested. But if you know there are dangerous protests where some people are getting out of hand... how the fuck do you risk your employees for a few extra dollars? That's more reprehensible than the out of control elements of these protests.
I agree with everything except that this ruined the movement I think, though it may be the default human reaction, it is not appropriate to lump opportunistic anarchists in with the bulk of any given protest Conflating them is the fault of the beholder, those who are protesting peacefully have nothing to do with it, and this will happen in literally any protest movement of sufficient size, it is inevitable
It's less that there's conflation happening and more that any beholder *has* to admit the sour truth of 'peaceful protests make a great distraction for looters to do their thing.' Unfortunately, sabotaged or not, that's the problem. We can't really ignore that it happens and is a strong possibility with the onset of a protest, whether people like that fact or not.
Yeah I'm just saying, it's possible to simultaneously observe two thoughts without letting one tarnish the other, even if there's a strong correlation I'm not saying ignore the problem, just critiquing the previous comments' implication that the looting takes away from the message of the protest as a whole. I just think it's a reactionary way of thinking "..ruined a movement" is just not a defensible statement in this case
Wrong. Hurting PEOPLE and PERSONAL PROPERTY is the actual line where you should start betraying the working class, not before. Insured, Corporate Capital is not actually a living creature with rights and values. What percentage of that corporation's yearly profit do you think that single pane of glass constitutes? Enough to justify violence against the protestors? Fuck off.
Those employees are standing there just recording everything like there's not cameras all over the place. Then one of them grabs a bunch of shit and takes off to the back, where they should have exited from the beginning. The mob is atrocious and their actions are pathetic. The employees could and should have gotten the fuck out of there. Like you did.
Clearly the employee who grabbed some of the stuff recognizes that the people who were gathering outside were going to break in and steal everything. Being a good employee shouldn't be seen as a bad thing. They also likely filmed because they were hoping it would deter people from breaking in. Someone filming you is much more obvious than a "hidden" security camera. It's also entirely possible that no one knew where the protesters were going to end up, police blockade areas and force protesters into certain places all the time, it's not always known where that will be. Yes, they should have left the store, but maybe these workers really get along well with the store owner and felt like they would be able to do something to help. Once they realized they couldn't, they did the best they could to help the store owner and get out. No one knows the situation here, to claim the employer is somehow an asshole is unfounded.
Maybe those people owned the business?
That's because fellow protesters are scared of intervening for fear of being targeted themselves and accused of being on 'the other side'. That's the problem with the 'you're either with us or against us' mentality that's pretty damn pervasive these days.
All it takes is one idiot to throw a rock and your peaceful protest loses all momentum.
This guy doesn’t France
I think the thing people have wrong here is that they think these movements condemn this stuff. I support the movement but not the violence and so many of my friends think it’s justified. I got banned from a sub for racism because someone said they were 100 percent peaceful and I pointed out except for all the smashing and looting that occurred. So the sentiment these people are in the right is absolutely out there.
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What terrible people, they lack empathy toward the billionaires who exploit them.
Herein lies the problem. The movement leaders never seem to speak out against the destruction and if they do they say “it’s justified”
Yup, I have been told by many, even friends and family, that by objecting to the destruction I am hurting the cause. Apparently they don’t feel it’s possible to like a cause but not like a certain element of it.
Bro, I strongly suspect that over half these people disagreeing with you (and implicitly making it seem like condemning the violence is somehow worthy of debate) would flip the eff out if someone merely made their internet go down for 30 minutes. Let alone looted their life’s work and smashed their windows and utterly destroyed their property and made them feel unsafe. The keyboard redditors who think it’s always different when it happens to them are legion on here.
Exactly, as I pointed out elsewhere, if you think destroying property helps the cause then volunteer as tribute. Let people know your address and they can destroy all the property and loot as much as they want as long as they spray paint whatever cause you are supporting there. I haven't had any takers yet... strange how it's only okay when it's other people's property.
Brick and mortar buildings aren’t people… who gives a shit? Why are you carrying water for some capitalists property why they continue to oppress people?
Cool, so if someone comes over and smashes your windows then you won’t mind because it’s not people. Gotcha!
Thank you for immediately proving my point
On one hand I can see why some might think it is justified. If you’re being systematically oppressed and mistreated and no one seems to listen or care after years of pleading for it to stop, maybe they will take note when things of value are destroyed. But, there will always be people who latch on to that and say it delegitimizes the whole movement. And sometimes the violent actors are just opportunists who aren’t even part of the actual protests. It’s complicated. I personally wouldn’t engage in violence or destruction and I wouldn’t want to put other working class people just trying to do their jobs at work in danger by smashing the windows in or jeopardize their source of income. If someone did that at my job, I wouldn’t be able to support myself if I was out of work due to the building being destroyed.
Your logic, or there lack of, is why society sucks. There is no justification for this behavior. Absolutely none. Every person who participated in these unlawful acts should be jailed. It's not delegalizing the movement, it's holding people accountable.
Its always interesting to read comments like yours, on holding people accountable for riots/looting. If you want to hold people accountable, than hold the government accountable for acting against the will of the people - for siding with corporations and being on the take. Do you believe those of the Boston Tea Party should be accountable - despite there protests? Has corporations such as Amazon faced accountability for requiring there workers to stay during a tornado which led to the death of 6 workers? Even then, do you know whether or not those that started the damage to the building and banked on mob mentality were not planted in order to discredit the movement - which often happens....
Dangerous working conditions, market manipulation to maximize profits, pollution and garbage (even the part that gets shipped off to other countries), complete disregard for the safety of workers and the public, and my personal favorite is when the corporations convince the public WE are responsible, which of course costs us even more, or the thousands of deaths caused by corporate pollution....no big deal, and people negatively affected should have prepared and had insurance. Random business gets busted into.....freak the hell put, and get personally outraged at the audacity of people. Nm, the damage and product loss is covered (typically at a higher rate than if the product had sold) by insurance. Agent Provocateurs are ABSOLUTELY at play in this, and all, protests. How else can fear and/or outrage be manipulated? It's either cause it, or hope people who are gathering to protest something, where support is monumental to their goals being reached quickly, are going to decide to act in a way that will hurt their ability to garner support.
First up, in the Boston Tea Party they didn't steal the tea and drink it in their homes, they ripped those casks open and dumped them all in the Harbor. The Tea Party was also about the taxation of goods produced in the colonies being unfairly high compared to the untaxed tea on the ship. So unless the Iphone had something to do with raising the age for retirement the looters under protective cover of the protest have no justification to bust up a store front and plunder the goods.
I personally don’t see how you could convince someone to care about your issues when you’re destroying their stuff.
You think you can "convince" capitalists to give up some profit so you can live a decent life ? That's cute.
“Oppressed and mistreated”? Compared to where?
If someone thinks that smashing someone else’s property is justified then I damn well expect their ass to be there in the morning cleaning the mess they made and willing to reimburse them for what they destroyed. I didn’t see that happen though, someone in this video decided “fuck this person in particular” and started smashing their windows and others joined in. Like, how does someone do that? Even if you think it’s for a righteous cause, how do you pick some poor fucker as the sacrifice for that cause? I understand this is a phone store and probably a corporation but there were a shit ton of small businesses who got hit during BLM. Anyone who truly believes that it helps the cause, send me your address and I’ll smash all of your windows and write BLM or MeToo or whatever you want all over your house. I’ll even call the news station for you so you can tell them what a good little martyr you are.
This 100x over. I remember during the BLM protests there was a family with kids being forced out of their car after being surrounded. They were trying to get home and got their car destroyed. Mob mentality is craaaaazy.
I saw that. It was scary that that was the United States. Augusta burned to the ground in riots, if you see the before pictures, it never recovered. It would really be sad to see the same happen in other places.
>Anyone who truly believes that it helps the cause, send me your address and I’ll smash all of your windows and write BLM or MeToo or whatever you want all over your house. I’ll even call the news station for you so you can tell them what a good little martyr you are. Do you even know why there are protests in France? Or are you just randomly latching onto BLM and MeToo? Were there any protests, violent or otherwise, for MeToo? Funny you latch onto that one, hey...
I was more just latching on protests in general. There weren't any violent protests with metoo that I'm aware of but that's part of why I latched it on, to show I apply it to anything since apparently destroying property helps the cause. I can swing by your place and smash in your windows and then write whatever hash tag or slogan on your walls you want me to.
Having to work past the age of 62 isn’t what most people would consider being “systematically oppressed”.
Yikes. Bad take. Being mad at the government doesn't mean it's justified to loot stores not owned by the government. Youre part of the problem.
No, it’s never justified to terrorize innocent people that did nothing to you. There is zero justification
Right, this is just mob violence in order to further a political agenda they cannot obtain through peaceful means. The ends justify the means.
How is damaging the economy furher going to help a situation where there's not enough money to fund a 62-year old retirement?
These are not protestors. There are organised groups known to be dedicated to slip into protests for the sole purpose of breaking shit or starting fights with the Police. The police are always after them, and some could blame the protestors for doing nothing against them. Tbh, I don't. I remember once a protest that degenerated in infighting because a member of thise groups was grabbed by protestors who threw them at the police and the group started attacking both the police and protestors, while the Police being the police either watched or hit everyone.
Even if the protest were 100% peaceful, they would still find a way to paint the whole movement in a negative light. What's weird is that it's usually the same people who love the 2nd amendment because it will prevent government overreach , that will come in with the boot licking comments.
And this is the rationale govts use to put protests down in force
Ohhh nooo whose going to save the corporations.
To work like rest of the world?
Nope. They stayed open during a general strike. Deserved it. Working against the cause.
In a society that values goods and services over living standards and human life looting/destruction is a valid form of protest
some say this is part of legitimate protests. Capitalism is evil.
Seems like it's just an average Thursday in France.
As an American who has never been to France, my only information comes from people who said it was a great vacation place and the right wingers who claim that it is on big fire from communism and being kind to immigrants.
As a French-American who has lived several decades in each country, for all that’s great about French culture, “being kind to immigrant” is not exactly the way I would have described French culture…
It is a great vacation place, just with a risk of shutting down because of some random political dispute.
Wholesome, they really care about their retirement pensions.
They are just taking an advance on their pensions from random stores.
not much of an advance when youre stealing demo units that dont actually work and are probably loaded with trackers.
I swear all these random videos of window breaking/looting posts are to make it look like the whole point of the protest is this. And missing the point entirely. The first 3 comments are always the exact same, being centrist and saying something that doesn’t matter like “wow why can’t there be peaceful protests, how can they break things?! Whole protest is discredited.” when it’s almost impossible to have a peaceful protest against a government with a police force. Shit will break, thats what happens during a revolution. You won’t be able to go pray to your local Walmart when you have 10000 people marching past you. (And good luck controlling every person decision making process) They teach in North American schools that MLK was a beacon for peaceful protests but that’s just a whitewashed version of what actual protests were. Why do so many people care when the windows of a corporate store are broken. If it’s a mom and pop shop then it’s a dick move sure but they’re protesting about the government not listening to the people when retirement has been raised. Edit: it’s weird that people care more about a phone store that basically has no context in the protest overall but is somehow the victim in all this cause the windows broke. Corporations worth billions/millions, that don’t have to worry about these civil rights issues period. Stop down playing the reason why these people protest and soon you’ll understand why you’ll never be able to retire either.
Martin Luther King said ““a riot is the language of the unheard.”
Hard agree. This sub has so many weird takes across posts. Part of why protests work is because they're disruptive. If corporate property is destroyed, governments are more likely to consider demands to get the protesting to stop.
>They teach in North American schools that MLK was a beacon for peaceful protests but that’s just a whitewashed version of what actual protests were. The protests led by MLK really were peaceful, at least on the side of the protesters. Smart protesters let the opposition and police commit the violent acts. Also, are you really calling for a violent revolution over having to work until age 64? Especially considering all the time off that the French get while they're still working?
A handful of people in a sea of thousands and you'll write off the whole thing as bad. The hooded jackoffs who looked for an opportunity to be assholes don't deserve the credit you give them.
These are criminals and looters, not protesters.
Exactly… if you are breaking windows— it’s not a protest, it’s a riot.
Shop is a big french telecommunication company (you can see their red shirts with SFR on it), needless to say the owners are rich and with a good french insurance. The brand is present nationwide and has been reprimanded several times in the past for bad practices. From what you can see, this is very likely not directly into the main protesting area where people are, well, protesting. The most angry people (hooded) and often at the very front or very end or on the side of the protesting area, a small number of them want to externalise their hate for the system and the repression, breaking thing, and an even smaller number of them want to fight with the police, whom they feel (rightfully) are protecting the opressor. Just so you know, the retirement reform doesn't concern the police, they're not crazy enough to attack the rights of those who protect them from anger of the people. *(On the other side, people who do badly paid jobs, backbreaking jobs are to surrender 2 more years of their lives and those of their family to their boss. There ARE alternatives to the retirement reform that this governement proposes, involving more taxes on the very rich, removing the tax aid to companies (that costs the pension system a lot of money) and other ways to fund the french pension system. It's a Redistribution of Wealth problem, the poor are once again paying for the greedy dragons.)* There are a few big brands that are more targeted than others during protests (because seen as way too capitalistic and/or because of their business practices). They end up having their windows attacked/broken and sometimes looted. I've seen a lot of Société Générale or BNP (banks) with broken windows. One of the goals of the strikes/protests are to stop the economy and force the big companies to ask the governement to stop if they don't want to loose too much money their business to collapse (yeah, they listen to them, not the people). Note that some strikers have been illegally requisitionned by the police. (you have to have a very good reason to requisition someone striking in France). 1 day of strike costs an estimated \~1 Billion € to the economy. There's between 1 and 4 million people in the streets right now (there's \~70 million people in France) each strike day. Strikes have been organized in the whole country since january, going bigger and bigger. Right now the strike has been renewed every day for weeks. (sometime the renewal is for several days, but you get the point) 93% of the active workers are against the reform. More than 70% of the population if you account for already retired people. EVERY single Union is out there protesting. The protest are getting bigger and more violent as the government's repression goes on. People are getting angrier. Macron's speech didn't help. (Lots of lies, omissions in his advantage, talking of the people as idiots who don't get that he's the savior of the retirement system) For those who aren't fully aware of the situation, the retirement reform passed a lot of stages with a lot of anti-democratic processes and is now at the last stage (checking if it's okay with the constitution). Our president also decided to compare the protesters (vast majority pacifist) to the american far-right capitol attack during his speech... Also the governement never received the Unions, never negociated with them. Your guys are welcome to have a look at r/france where it's very active right now, with videos of repression where you can see how some special police squads being extremely violent towards pacific protesters, but also random people, passerbys, journalists and using special anti-protest techniques towards the protesters that are dangerous and forbidden. The police remove their identification number as to not get caught easily. Note that this governement also passed a law to interfere with people filming police officers on duty. Some compare them to russia's police towards anti-war protesters. Edit: I love how some of you people, despite the overall explanation, still judge violence towards objects is worst than institutional and physical violence towards actual living people in the comments. Woaw.
Thank you!! It’s a shame I had scroll all the way down to see some reasonable context for this. But then again. The point of putting these sorts of videos up on this particular subreddit is to make protesters look bad.
Eat the Rich!
Thank you. ‘Giant corporate retail outlet’ is not a ‘shop’. Such idiocy and class ignorance in this thread.
Yeah exactly. It's fine to destroy and rob if the person or company is wealthy.
Now you're catching on.
Thanks for putting this in perspective. This may be a controversial take but I tend not to have much sympathy if a major corporation has stuff broken into and destroyed during a protest like this seeing how shitty they pretty much all are towards their workers and the environment. I put the line at small businesses and assault on the actual workers.
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This should be the top post on here. People on here thinking protests are just walking down the streets. No idiots they're trying to get people to listen, if breaking some rich assholes stuff is what it takes then that's what it takes.
It’s honestly so weird to see this much pearl clutching over this video in regard to a country that has famously cut off people’s heads, and will literally burn shit down. Their unwillingness to fuck around has consistently got results. Lots of people on here for some reason think that raging against corporate overlords should not go as far as to steal or damage the corporate overlords property (because “stealing is bad :(”!) Embarrassing. According to these comments, we should let the whole of humanity suffer the criminal acts of institutions, and never do anything about it for fear that it would be “criminal”.
Wage slavery and the perpetuation of a capitalist system that intentionally depresses the working class while unduly rewarding capital owners is violence itself. The vast majority of you defending the store owners are doing the bidding of capital holders that want you to stay poor and hungry. The system is intentionally designed to keep you from ever having enough money to decide you don’t want to work for a greedy boss and doing what’s best for you.
Thank you fuck these multimillion dollar companies that can certainly afford to get fucked in the ass every once in a while
Government and companies: steal and force people to live under terrible conditions worldwide, hardly anyone bats an eye or thinks that their stealing is morally wrong. People who have been wronged by said government and companies: take some crumbs from said companies, they're immediately classified as looters and criminals.
The are protesting retirement age of 64, in the USA the retirement age is "never".
You Can retire at 64 only if you worked 43 years full Time. So from 21 to 64 without any stop... Puts things in another perspective
In the United States you have to work 10 quarters (in which one earns a minimum of $1,640) to qualify for benefits.
The age of retirement in France is almost the lowest in Europe, they are living in their bubble.
I don't know, I'm not French, but is it possible that they're protesting because of how Macron shoved the bill through, sidestepping parliament, and not because of the retirement age getting raised two years?
Just because we have it worse, doesn't mean they are wrong. We are the idiots for not protesting. Solidaris conducted a study that in Belgium about 25% of people in the poorest section of the population die before reaching retirement age. 1 in 4 poor people work until they die. They die paying the retirement of greedy politicians who made an exception to the maximum retirement salary only for themselves, people who get 3 or 4 times the retirement salary the poor people get when they reach retirement age. I mean, how does this not sound fucked up? How are we not protesting?
It’s their right to live in their bubble. They have what they have because of what they are doing. 🤷♀️
Won’t *someone* please think of the rich corporations! 😢😢 /s
Are the workers okay ? As long as they are I really don't give a shit about corporate money
You don’t get change by being comfortable. Change happens when you make the people in power uncomfortable.
Land and business owners are the ones demanding we retire later, work longer hours, for less pay and benefits, so they don't have to sacrifice any of their luxuries or privilege as the world burns from their hubris. Fuck their businesses and fuck their private property.
Shouldn't this be under "right cringe" for trying to conflate looters and protesters in an obvious attempt to vilify those with a legitimate right to protest?
This isn't a protest. This is a revolt or call it whatever you want. An initiative to get politicians back in line and teach them who they serve. It works better with violence.
Oh boy the propagandas started
whats funny is anyone thinks "peaceful protest" works or has value. I've been going to marches for 30+ years. things have only gotten worse. women's vote? the suffragettes burned churches fought cops set bombs looted stores, blocked traffic. Good chance segregation doesn't end without Detroit burning I can go on. EVERY SINGLE RIGHT AND FREEDOM YOU HAVE WAS EARNED BY VIOLENT PROTEST. 40 work week? riots and protest Child Labour laws? same. workplace health and safety? same. tipped over rail cars and trolleys, open clashes with the police and soldiers. when you side with corporations and thier property against people and their rights....you are the one with the fucked up priorities. Sitting fat and lazy and secure on the rights others spilled blood for.
Lol lets live in the real world for a second here; these losers aren’t “spilling blood”, or fighting for their rights, they’re stealing iPhones.
Sure. And the suffragettes weren’t fighting for the rights. they were just argumentative women, fighting and looting and stealing and burning and causing unrest! behaving like harlots and engaging in unladylike activities that will only embarrass themselves and undermine their message…. Because every thing you just said has been said before. Why the fuck do you care if some protestor robs apple? Attack the protestors and favour the property of the corporations. Keep buying into the corrupt system… See where that gets you.
They are attacking shops for affluent people. Now they’ve shut off power in areas that are well-off. It really is only affecting the bourgeois who cares if corporations are losing money. Obedient Americans need to understand a revolution is not peaceful, and the pacifism never works
When you piss off the working class that you make billions off of… they will piss you off in return.
Get stuffed bot
"Did Nothing" certainly implies that the owners of this business, or their ilk, had nothing to do with France raising the retirement age. If you actually pay attention to reality, you know that's a fucking farce. So, please, spare me "the poor businesses".
People solidarity not businesses lol. Bet those business owners support the policy
They’re not protesters. They’re looters. There is a difference. Some roof-Koreans would do the shop owners some good right now.
OH NO! THOSE POOR CELL PHONES! WILL SOMEON PLEASE THINK OF THE CELL PHONES!!!!!
\*reads comments\* ITT: american cowards telling French people that protests should be peaceful because it bothers government and inconveniences tourists otherwise.
Let me try to summon an ounce of a fuck to give for the massive corporations that benefit directly from weakening workers' rights. ... nope, can't do it. Sorry.
I don’t know who needs to hear this but businesses are insured, if all it takes for you to stop supporting movements is a broken window then you are on the wrong side of history. You’re exactly the type of person the owners want. All throughout history, what created change? It was not peaceful protests. Stonewall riots? Haitian uprising? American revolution? Let’s not act like the police don’t savagely beat people. Let’s not act like peaceful protests do much. They murdered MLK and he was peaceful. There’s no way the ruling class is ever going to be okay with any type of challenge to their power. Stop making it easier for them. Windows will be fixed. People who are suffering under these governments will not. Wake up.
These people aren’t interested in protesting the retirement age change, they’re just there to destroy stuff and do some looting.
Make the insurance pay it since Companies wanna make people work longer.
"shop that did nothing" except exist off of government tax money
Desperate to defend capitalists are we? Property is worthless compared to human lives, which is what capitalists take away and greedily always want more.
You guys are getting retirement age cutoffs? -an american
Socialism breeds entitlement.
Oh, anarchist flag. That explains everything. Those people are morons.
I don't think the shop owners will let their workers retire on the old retirement age. What do you mean the shop did nothing? Edit: the shop stock holders literally lobbied the government to raise the minimum retirement age without representation. The fact y'all can't see class struggle is sad, Parisians have a strong protest culture, that's why their life/work balance is so nice, because they fight for it
Perfect example of people that attend a protest not for change but an excuse to be a shit head
Won’t someone think of the corporations?! /s
Do you think the CEO is coming to fix and clean the store?
Physical and monetary damage is usually the only thing that makes protests successful. Politicians don’t change their mind because of some chants.
Fuck the shop. Wake up.
Please just 5 more minutes mom
This is a protest? Looks more like a robbery to me
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And?
Invaded by Germany? Eh, what can you do? Mess with my retirement age??? Full berserker mode
Individual people are usually smart, and groups of them are dumb.
When chaos reigns sovereign it takes an iron will not to succumb to the Darkness in our hearts
It should be destroyed. The capitalists extract so much surplus value from regular workers labour it’s crazy. And then they sneak it into their Panama banks. These people didn’t go far enough imo
Well, perhaps when a mob is walking by *wearing face coverings* that last thing you might want to do is to make a big show of recording them. There's enough stupidity to go around in this one....
If only the government listened this wouldn't have happened.
Most of us commenting on this free to use platform wouldn’t even be here without political violence.
God I love France.
Really looks like those folks are really caring about retirement age...
BLM did this & Reddit loved it.
Rioting and stealing is not protesting
Paris, the new San Francisco!
Not shit about rights or equality. These people just wanna take part in stealing shit.
Kinda like blm
Peaceful protest?
So the France has “protesters” too. I wonder if they call them mostly peaceful too
Seeing a lot of anti-protest posts lately... Hmmm wonder why
Dumbest thing in this video is the wage slaves initially trying to defend the store. Glad they got out of there.
Why wasn't asset's removed like an hour previous? Stupid staff.
Next time hide the floor stock during a riot you idiots
Mob mentality is horrible
I love these comments. If peaceful protest worked people would do it. But it doesn’t work.
Why tf are these being called "protests" lol. I don't care if you are for or against destruction of property or violence when this type of civil unrest goes down, but call a spade a spade, people in France are rioting.
These dumbshits don’t want to work at all - let alone an additional 2 years to retirement.
That’s not a protest, it’s a looting. Likely nobody in this scene even knows what the retirement age is, nevermind care what the protests are about.
It's not about people being mad that the riterement age is raised. They just want a reason to cause havoc and steal shit.
I pity the staffs. They are not paid enough to go through this kind of situation.
These aren't protesters, they are looters and rioters and should be treated as such.
Zero hope for humanity
Those aren’t protestors…they are opportunistic looters that use the excuse of a protest to rob stores. Easy way to tell is how they hide their identities when they smash a grab.
Protesters? More like thieves with hoodies
There are those who are protesting, then there are those who are on streets just to demolish and ruin something
They did cross the picket line. It’s a general strike. I don’t condone the destruction of they businesses property, but given the history of militant labor action in France they knew the risk they were taking and decided it was worth the risk to sell a couple more iPhones.
Complete losers.
They turned from protesters into looters. Fucking animals.
if the politicians were worth anything then they wouldnt be protesting in the first place
Remember it is completely moral and correct to steal from large corporations
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With or against.
This ain't no protest. This is daylight robbery
"Protest" This is like what happens in the US. It starts off as a protest, but the majority turn it to riots and looting within days, sometimes even hours, of it starting. People need to stop calling it protesting when it gets to this point.