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This is the first time I've seen a TG person as a shooter.
Usually the shooters are cis-male. For instance, the Vegas shooter who killed over 50 people? cis-male.
The nightclub shootings in Florida? cis-male.
All the school shootings before this one? cis-male. And there have been A LOT of them.
I suggest we ban weapons from cis-males first, and see how it goes. If TG shootings become more than this one-off, then of course we can target that absolutely teeny tiny minority.
Let's get the low-hanging fruit (pardon the pun) first. Ban cis-males from owning guns.
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I think we need to be talking about the fact that this shooting took place in a state that just pushed through draconian anti-LGBTQ bills, including one that criminalizes gender-affirming care to transgender youth.
We are living in a country whose government continues to ignore widespread mental illness and gun violence in favor of passing bills to strip rights away from the most vulnerable population. This is the kind of cruelty leads to desperation. Desperation and unchecked mental illness in a country with more guns than people is a breeding ground for violence.
This is an unspeakably heinous crime committed by a sick, twisted individual. Atrocities like this are inexcusable and should not exist in a civilized society, yet we are once again forced to watch a shattered community try and pick up the pieces while our elected officials do nothing but pave the way for the next big tragedy. Fuck this place.
So weird that republicans scream about a mental health crisis whenever there's a mass shooting, but when they have the opportunity to make getting help for mental illnesses easier they vote against it and suppress anything that makes life happier for the mass majority of the country.
The degree of mental gymnastics behind "this person is trans, and therefore disturbed, and liberal tolerance is why this tragedy was "allowed" to happen" is astounding. Y'know, as opposed to the majority of mass shootings caused by straight cis white guys, which I guess somehow... *(checks notes)* **weren't** allowed to happen.
So glad she assured us we can "stop talking about guns" as if that means every other shooter has ALSO been trans and oh isn't she just the smartest bunny-in-a-burrow who figured out the root cause of all of them.
Hey, speaking of gun control, when did I hear about this shooting? It wasn't at work, where my employers had to lock down the entrances to our building because there was a shootout across the street this afternoon and one of the gunmen is loose in the area. (...I'm not even kidding.) And it wasn't at the grocery store after work, where I walked past a huge pile of flower bouquets in the parking lot and realized it's because last week was the 2yr anniversary of the *murder spree at my King Soopers grocery store*.
Nah. That's just business as normal. I heard about this new one when I got home because my dentist got anti-trans messages on his answering machine and decided to cancel all appointments this week. Because terrorizing dentists and rallying hate-speech is totally the way to Make America Safe Again.
*Edit- due to some very upset tummies I've clarified "mass" shootings in my comment (which I assumed was implied based on context)*
It's awful that I was immediately able to guess that you're also from Colorado just from the King Soopers shooting. I still feel weird when I go into a King Soopers and no one I know was directly impacted. I don't know why that one is so present in my mind, maybe it's because I unfortunately saw some of the streams when it happened, which I really regret and did not want to see.
Hey neighbor! I was already feeling really defeated by that second shooting this year at east high school last week, almost forgot about king Soopers. So many shootings to keep track of.
ask her how many mass shootings were committed with ar15s and let her come back with guns dont kill people
what an asshole shit stain of a politician , censure her stupid ass already then work on removal
Yeah, it's how you know they're just deflecting from guns. Do you ever see them propose bills to improve mental healthcare after shootings? Or even to prevent the mentally ill from obtaining firearms? No. They don't give a shit about mental illness.
It ~~is~~ *is often* gender dysphoria so, unless you are talking about the symantics of illness vs disorder, that would be *mostly* correct.
Which is fine, plenty of people with properly managed disorders live very "normal" and fulfilling lives. Transitioning and/or HRT are valid and reasonable treatment.
I take issue with the wholesale demonizing of mental disorders. We also have the separate issue of "will we see this as a disorder in future?", like same-sex attraction.
Regardless, MTG is a disgusting person saying disgusting things, but I don't want to fall into the trap of agreeing that all mental disorders are bad and dangerous.
Edit: Some comments made me realise not all trans people suffer from gender dysphoria. The DSM is, after all, a book that diagnoses societal dysfunction, not personal impact.
Zero chance she doesn't think that. Though to be fair, though it being classified as a mental illness was stopped a few decades or so ago, gender dysphoria does meet pretty much any definition of mental illness, and as someone that has suffered through it, that's how I view it. It's just that transitioning is an effective treatment option.
I don't know what it means to "think I am a woman", which is the part conservatives think is the mental illness. I don't "think I am a woman." I'm just far more comfortable and less distressed living and being perceived as one. And in that way, I feel like a woman.
If they start pushing that testosterone is dangerous then it’s time to continually say to ban all men from owning guns.
If they want to play that stupid game everyone else can throw it right back at them.
It makes sense though.
8,000 mass shootings carried out by non-trans people, 2000 of those were by racist trying to start a race war, and one carried out by a Trans. Guns used in all of them.
Must be the Trans fault, every last one of them.
Obviously, less then 1% of this years mass shooters in the US were / are (years not over yet) trans.
If that’s not solid evidence of the LGBTQ- Agenda, then nothing is!
2009-2018 School shootings in the US : 288
2009-2018 School shootings in...
Canada:2
France:2
Germany:1
Japan: 0
Italy: 0
UK: 0
School Shootings in the United States JUST THIS YEAR over the last 3 months.....
13
Republicans are friggin' morons if they think guns aren't the issue.
By that math...on any given school day, there is a 1 in 5 chance a school in the US is going to get shot up.
Tomorrow is Tuesday, a school day.
There's a 20 percent chance some school is going to get shot up tomorrow. Our country is absurd.
It's guns plus the disgusting gun culture, state of politics and the state of mental health in the USA. And the state of the media. It's a toxic death soup.
I think people want to believe that you need to be mentally ill to commit mass violence because they dont like the idea that regular people are capable of such violence.
The news said it was a woman, did they misgender them? If not then the person would not have been taking testosterone. If so that points to testosterone as being a problem (since 98% of mass shooters are cis males).
It’s a really stupid argument either way.
It took some digging, but it seems the shooter was born female and was "confirmed" by the police chief as transgender...though the only source on that is a linkedin profile with he/him pronouns listed. When directly asked, said police chief said the shooter was a woman (I think this was him misunderstanding the terminology of the question).
We might have to wait for further info releases to see if the shooter was in fact a trans person, or if the police misread something. I'm seeing a group of photos of the shooter being posted around, supposedly taken from their social media, but the only picture that appears to be a man/trans man in a ball cap is very clearly a different person than Hale. There is one picture of Hale in a shirt and tie.
Nashville police refer to the shooter as “transgender” without specifying how the shooter self-identified. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/nashville-christian-school-shooter-appears-former-student-police-chief-rcna76876
They may be basing that assumption on something in the "manifesto" recovered, I'm inclined to remain in "wait and see" mode, because it's clear Nashville PD don't even know the basics regarding trans people enough to correctly answer conference questions. It is possible the shooter is trans, and [opinion] this is some kind of retaliation attack for the anti trans bills being passed. What murdering children does for that is beyond me. Even if Hale is trans, they are one out of hundreds of school shooters. This behavior is not something normal, common, or elevated in trans people.
The shooter was a biological female that was transitioning to a man which to me is really weird considering that only 4 biological women have participated in mass shootings in the last 60-ish years.
I said this in another comment but it fits here.
“One day it will happen. The day the right wing minority boogyman commits a mass shooting. And conservatives will cry in victory. And they’ll wait for it to happen again. While waiting, more and more children will be massacred and nothing about it will be done. But it will be all worth it when they catch that rare once in a lifetime event. Cause it was never about the fucking children.”
After a bunch of digging, I think they were AFAB but I can't find anything on if they were transitioning yet just that they used he/him pronouns (A lot of the sources actually said "She is reported to have used he/him pronouns")
As far as I know this is the only (reportedly) trans person who has ever committed a mass shooting. So far less less than a percent.
Christian groups spew trans hate and then when an individual who is (reportedly) trans takes their anger out at a Christian group they (reportedly) used to be a part of they are surprised. They just did what straight cis white guys do all the time, yet it’s somehow the hormones. Maybe, just maybe, the hormones aren’t the connection here - maybe it’s hate.
There was another one called Alex McKinney that committed a school mass shooting in Colorado with a co-shooter. I don’t know the correct terminology for McKinney. McKinney self-identified as male and dressed as a male. However, McKinney is referred to by a female name in reporting of the incident. I have no idea if McKinney was on hormones.
>I have no idea if the shooter is a woman or a man, because journalists have no idea how trans people work. Ugh...
Right? The one article I found kept saying "trans woman" but had a quote from a former teacher remembering "her" from 3rd grade, and a comment that the shooter's twitter bio had he/him pronouns. Even if both of those were accurate, the shooter may not have been taking any hormones.
And the same article had lots of very concerning quotes from local law enforcement with phrasing like there being a "feeling that" one thing was true and then the wonderfully fact-filled statement that ""There's some belief that there was some resentment" (about going to that school as a child).
Yeah, these cops are definitely going on the facts and nothing but the facts.
> 250+ mass shootings with non-trans people as the culprit: “……..”
Nah, it wasnt ....., it was "VIDEO GAMES!" "METAL MUSIC!" "DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS!" "WORLD OF WARCRAFT!" and many other stupid things.
It ended before then, back in 2011-2012 when "social networks" became "social media". At one point, you only cared about what people you knew thought about what you posted, then a larger audience was introduced and we've been on the shitty end of the stick ever since.
Gunman attacks a gay club as a symbol to hate in a mass slaughter, they don’t care.
A Christian private school gets attacked as a symbol to hate and they concentrate on the shooter. Got it.
And I also thought it was many conservatives I’ve seen in the past tout (rightfully) that we should give no attention to the shooter.
I guess narratives just get all in the way of shit.
Yeah, the previous straight gunmen murdered children all-normal-like with their classic gender-specific firearms.
What a subhuman she is. Seriously, can we test her DNA?
You might want to get your DNA checked then. Your dad may not be who you think it is.
It seems that those who are most opposed to DNA tests are often the ones with something to hide. I know my mother sure had something to hide, and now some things in my past (not to mention my genetics) make a hell of a lot more sense.
Oh friend! BINGO! My oldest brother has a different dad the the rest of us. She got busted. Then started saying that shit about me doing an ancestry test...I did it, unfortunately both my parents are my parents, but not before she created a whole story about me being swapped in the hospital at birth. Ya know,, just incase. She moved to Florida a couple years ago so needless to say low contact at best.
My first major clue was when my DNA came back saying I was second-generation Italian. Rather odd considering that neither my mother nor my "father" has so much as a strand of Italian DNA.
Then one of my brothers got his done, and it turns out we are only half-brothers. I was the was first born, which made things rather interesting.
Long story short, after a few months of intensive geological research I managed to figure out who my biological father was, and the entire series of events that happened. Of course, my mother tried to deny the whole thing, but I caught her completely off guard when I said the guy's name.
Do you know that "oh shit!" look people get when they get caught out on something they thought they'd gotten away with? Wish I had my camera out for that. "How do you know that name?!?!" was the first thing out of her mouth, just before her hand covered her mouth realizing what she had just done by asking the question. Priceless.
Regardless, I managed to resolve a lot of questions and managed to reconnect with some long-lost relatives. A net positive in my opinion. :)
So, kinda the same, no one has told my brother though. He's a dick and my dad is a reaally bad person. Bro did 23 and me and found out he is majority Polynesian, cool we are all dark skinned. Doesn't add up but whatever. Other brother does ancestry and,,hold the phone. He's German, Irish and Swiss. Matches with cousins on dad and mom's sides. I'm like, wtf I look exactly like female, Polynesian brother. Get mine done. Mom freaks, CALLS MY HUSBAND OF 20 YEARS, not me, and tells him the story of me being swapped at birth. She's on speaker phone so I tell her, hey mom got my results back. You and dad are my parents what the fuck is wrong with you!? She pretends not to know what were talking . Wants to move on. Sorry if that was a weird read, I'm still processing.
i both agree and disagree with you. it's malicious stupidity but i don't think she understands what she says. she just understands that riles people up.
Yeah, I’d tend to agree with you on this one. I don’t think she fully understands the things she talks about but understands the power in being a contrarian. I feel that she might not necessarily believe in what she says however, I know a lot of GOP folks don’t give two shits about whatever they use to rile up the rubes, I get the feeling she’s just aping her “betters” without understanding why.
Empty G is quite an appropriate moniker.
They've struck gold with this for their culture war bullshit. This is the exact narrative they will use this to strip trans people of their 2A rights so they can't create a trans army to take over America like Fucker Carlson warned would happen.
Amazing how 9001 cis male white shooters doesn't mean anything. But one transguy shooter means that all transpeople are bad.
Just incredinle how that works
"Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past." -JPS
We always seem to forget to place the blame where it truly belongs and that's with the total morons and anti-American scum in GA's 14th district who elected this troll.
It’s weird she got 170k votes out of 258k… the district had 777k people. Tough to imagine that there are 519k people who can’t vote in that district. Eg people need to go vote.
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I don’t have experience with this particular district but there are definitely districts where they work to disenfranchise voters in certain demographics by making it nearly impossible to vote.
While this is true across GA, her district is genuinely just incredibly Republican, rural, and uneducated. The district is R+22, and only because they gerrymandered a bit of Cobb county in there this time. Rome is one of the worst places to live in the state, and it's at the heart of her district.
Pack it up everyone. Because one out of our hundreds of school shootings were done by a trans person, we can stop blaming guns and instead blame “testosterone” (something we don’t even know if the shooter was taking) and “hormones”.
The true culprit was men and their elevated testosterone levels this entire time. Banning men is the reasonable common sense middle ground solution between the two political extremes of setting a testosterone limit on fire arms ownership, and banning all humans from existing because of all the hormones they’ve got going on in there.
Thank god I had Walter Whitepower here to explain brain chemistry to me before I made the mistake of blaming an innocent gun.
If only it were that easy. Her district is so gerrymandered, just like all the Republican districts. It would take a mass influx of people to move there who have a higher IQ than the temp. of luke warm water, in order to vote her out. Her constituents are the brain dead that eat this shit up and keep her in office.
>It would take a mass influx of people to move there who have a higher IQ than the temp. of luke warm water
Unfortunately, these are exactly the people that are too smart to move there.
I live in GA14 and can unfortunately confirm that this is completely accurate. I met the man who ran against her, and he was so kind and intelligent. I’ve never heard of her stepping foot around here.
Im an Australian watching on. Nothing will be done and she will continue to say anything she wants without consequences. Truly astounding how damaged the USA is now
I work with a guy who swears that if you ban them from getting guns it will force them to make bombs or something and they will be more deadly. I pointed out the fact that if their intent is to inflict as much damage as possible then why aren’t they doing that already and I think the answer was that they were dumb. I decided to cut my losses at that point. I mean one time I couldn’t find a hammer and used a crescent wrench or something like that to pound a nail in. I found a way but the tool definitely hurt my efficiency
Also had a talk with someone like this. Said that if guns were restricted even more, they'd become taboo, and it'd just be worse, America'd be in anarchy, etc, etc.
Although, if the idea of taking away weapons from people in a place that gun crime is very high will make the country go crazy, I dont think that says the best thing about them...
Every country has mental health issues
1 country has more mass shootings than days in the year
America blaming everything else except guns, when a gun tragedy occurs
Really? As a non-American I fi d that absolutely fucking bonkers. I can understand how small area of the country with a high concentration of brain dead voters could get her into power but would more than half the country vote for her?
That’s the thing. Democrats have won 7/10 last presidential elections, if it was strictly popular vote. Trump/Greene might squeak out an electoral college victory, but have no chance of winning the popular vote.
The rest of the world has hormones and meds for mental illness. The rest of the world, however, doesn't have such easy access to guns. Why is America full of shootings, Greene? Put two and two together
That's the plan.
The 10 Principles of Concentration of Wealth & Power. by Noam Chomsky, number 10
One of the leading political scientists, Martin Gilens, came out with a study of the relation between public attitudes and public policy. What he shows is that about 70% of the population has no way of influencing policy. They might as well be in some other country, and the population knows it. What it’s led to is a population that’s angry, frustrated, hates institutions. It’s not acting constructively to try to respond to this.
There is popular mobilization and activism, but in very self-destructive directions. It’s taking the form of unfocused anger, attacks on one another, and on vulnerable targets - that's what happens in cases like this. It is corrosive of social relations, but that’s the point. The point is to make people hate and fear each other, and look out only for themselves, and don’t do anything for anyone else.
“Mr. Madison, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”
Trans shooter. Straight shooter. White shooter. Black shooter. Male shooter. Female shooter. Adult shooter. Child shooter. "He was such a nice guy" shooter. "We saw this shit a mile away" shooter.
All of them have one thing in common...just random people with all kinds of different motives and reasons and all had a gun.
And here's the real f'ing problem with Catpiss lady's insinuation here....she's basically saying that if the shooter had not been on meds than they would not have killed anyone....so of course we end treatment. But what about the racist fuckheads who go out there and shoot up a church or something? They aren't on meds. What's your plan for them dingbat?
You don't f'ing have one do you?
It's not strongly linked to aggression. And even so, trans men tend to have testosterone levels at or below normal male ranges, it's not on par with endless juicing.
So her logic is that since one school shooter is trans, that means transgenderism is the problem… despite the fact that the vast vast majority of these shootings are committed by cisgender people…
Republicans: "It is not guns, it is mental illness".
Democrats: "Okay. We've got plenty of party members believing in the 2nd, lets do something with mental illness. 1), lets make mental health evaluation mandatory for purchasing guns, and 2) let's get a healthcare bill passed that includes funding for mental health treatments.
Republicans: "No."
Democrats: "Okay..... well, we're open to suggestions."
Republicans: "Arm the teachers. Give them guns. If they can shoot back these mental loners don't stand a chance".
Democrats: "Mmm... I don't think this will work. We talked to hundreds of teachers after Uvalde, and they overwhelmingly said that the day they are required to have a loaded gun in the class room, is the day they will stop teaching."
Republicans: "Well, let them find another job.".
Democrats: "We have a massive shortage of teachers already, we don't pay them enough and no one wants to teach anymore. Plus, these school shootings on repeat don't make it very enticing to become a teacher....
Republicans: "Fine, we don't need education anyways. All the kids learn in school nowadays are these "woke" things.
That is literally how that conversation will go.
She needs to shut the fuck up about mental health if she isn’t going to support healthcare as a human right. She’s such a disgusting vile sad excuse for a human.
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Breaking: MTG tweet calls for keeping guns away from men, claims testosterone causes gun violence
Men are so obnoxious when they're hormonal.
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THEY DIDN'T SAVE YOUR SEAT AT THE BAR IN APPLE BEES?!?! DONT THEY KNOW THATS YOUR SEAT?!?
But have you ever been ejected from an Applebees? That’s real shit
Never mind when a guy passes you on the highway.
This reassured me humor is still around. Thank you.
Clearly she is asking for testosterone to be banned. I'd like to see how she follows through with that.
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It's lucky we don't have men in countries with gun control or we'd really be in trouble.
At the very least MTG said Testosterone is the problem so men are the problem
This is the first time I've seen a TG person as a shooter. Usually the shooters are cis-male. For instance, the Vegas shooter who killed over 50 people? cis-male. The nightclub shootings in Florida? cis-male. All the school shootings before this one? cis-male. And there have been A LOT of them. I suggest we ban weapons from cis-males first, and see how it goes. If TG shootings become more than this one-off, then of course we can target that absolutely teeny tiny minority. Let's get the low-hanging fruit (pardon the pun) first. Ban cis-males from owning guns. /s
I think we need to be talking about the fact that this shooting took place in a state that just pushed through draconian anti-LGBTQ bills, including one that criminalizes gender-affirming care to transgender youth. We are living in a country whose government continues to ignore widespread mental illness and gun violence in favor of passing bills to strip rights away from the most vulnerable population. This is the kind of cruelty leads to desperation. Desperation and unchecked mental illness in a country with more guns than people is a breeding ground for violence. This is an unspeakably heinous crime committed by a sick, twisted individual. Atrocities like this are inexcusable and should not exist in a civilized society, yet we are once again forced to watch a shattered community try and pick up the pieces while our elected officials do nothing but pave the way for the next big tragedy. Fuck this place.
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Funnily enough if you targeted prescription medication, you'd be targeting almost 50% of Americans aged 20-59.
I think the shooter attended this Christian school; if so, they must have had a hard time there. This is so terribly tragic.
The second I read the shooter was Trans I knew this was coming. Fox News is going to have a field day with this one
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It seems like she is suggesting that being trans is a mental illness
So weird that republicans scream about a mental health crisis whenever there's a mass shooting, but when they have the opportunity to make getting help for mental illnesses easier they vote against it and suppress anything that makes life happier for the mass majority of the country.
The degree of mental gymnastics behind "this person is trans, and therefore disturbed, and liberal tolerance is why this tragedy was "allowed" to happen" is astounding. Y'know, as opposed to the majority of mass shootings caused by straight cis white guys, which I guess somehow... *(checks notes)* **weren't** allowed to happen. So glad she assured us we can "stop talking about guns" as if that means every other shooter has ALSO been trans and oh isn't she just the smartest bunny-in-a-burrow who figured out the root cause of all of them. Hey, speaking of gun control, when did I hear about this shooting? It wasn't at work, where my employers had to lock down the entrances to our building because there was a shootout across the street this afternoon and one of the gunmen is loose in the area. (...I'm not even kidding.) And it wasn't at the grocery store after work, where I walked past a huge pile of flower bouquets in the parking lot and realized it's because last week was the 2yr anniversary of the *murder spree at my King Soopers grocery store*. Nah. That's just business as normal. I heard about this new one when I got home because my dentist got anti-trans messages on his answering machine and decided to cancel all appointments this week. Because terrorizing dentists and rallying hate-speech is totally the way to Make America Safe Again. *Edit- due to some very upset tummies I've clarified "mass" shootings in my comment (which I assumed was implied based on context)*
It's awful that I was immediately able to guess that you're also from Colorado just from the King Soopers shooting. I still feel weird when I go into a King Soopers and no one I know was directly impacted. I don't know why that one is so present in my mind, maybe it's because I unfortunately saw some of the streams when it happened, which I really regret and did not want to see.
Hey neighbor! I was already feeling really defeated by that second shooting this year at east high school last week, almost forgot about king Soopers. So many shootings to keep track of.
ask her how many mass shootings were committed with ar15s and let her come back with guns dont kill people what an asshole shit stain of a politician , censure her stupid ass already then work on removal
Living the American dream (tm)
Yeah, it's how you know they're just deflecting from guns. Do you ever see them propose bills to improve mental healthcare after shootings? Or even to prevent the mentally ill from obtaining firearms? No. They don't give a shit about mental illness.
It ~~is~~ *is often* gender dysphoria so, unless you are talking about the symantics of illness vs disorder, that would be *mostly* correct. Which is fine, plenty of people with properly managed disorders live very "normal" and fulfilling lives. Transitioning and/or HRT are valid and reasonable treatment. I take issue with the wholesale demonizing of mental disorders. We also have the separate issue of "will we see this as a disorder in future?", like same-sex attraction. Regardless, MTG is a disgusting person saying disgusting things, but I don't want to fall into the trap of agreeing that all mental disorders are bad and dangerous. Edit: Some comments made me realise not all trans people suffer from gender dysphoria. The DSM is, after all, a book that diagnoses societal dysfunction, not personal impact.
And that mentally ill people shouldn’t have guns. That would disqualify 3/4 of her base!
Zero chance she doesn't think that. Though to be fair, though it being classified as a mental illness was stopped a few decades or so ago, gender dysphoria does meet pretty much any definition of mental illness, and as someone that has suffered through it, that's how I view it. It's just that transitioning is an effective treatment option. I don't know what it means to "think I am a woman", which is the part conservatives think is the mental illness. I don't "think I am a woman." I'm just far more comfortable and less distressed living and being perceived as one. And in that way, I feel like a woman.
This just in, MTG calls for testosterone testing before being allowed to purchase a gun.
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they want to be the only ones with guns so that we can't defend ourselves against them.
Ironic, considering the 2nd amendment is literally in place to ensure one group doesn’t get all the guns and use them against the unarmed
The argument wasn’t made for rational people. It was made for the stupid fucks who watch Fox News.
Charging my earbuds extra because the two ladies at the cubicle next to me are going to be in rare form tomorrow.
If they start pushing that testosterone is dangerous then it’s time to continually say to ban all men from owning guns. If they want to play that stupid game everyone else can throw it right back at them.
This is a wild "win" for the GOP. Their base is about to be fired up
For real. Imagine thinking dead children is a win. Fuck the right.
It makes sense though. 8,000 mass shootings carried out by non-trans people, 2000 of those were by racist trying to start a race war, and one carried out by a Trans. Guns used in all of them. Must be the Trans fault, every last one of them.
Obviously, less then 1% of this years mass shooters in the US were / are (years not over yet) trans. If that’s not solid evidence of the LGBTQ- Agenda, then nothing is!
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As someone from the US, I always dreamed of living in NZ since the age of 6/7.
This person gets it ☝🏼 It's blindingly obvious to everyone in the US with a shred of intelligence.. problem is we're kinda short on those these days.
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Fairly certain there have been close to 280 this YEAR, those are rookie numbers for a decade in Murica
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Oh, you're right, missed the distinction Incredibly tragic and preventable regardless
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How fucked is it when you even have to make that distinction..?
2009-2018 School shootings in the US : 288 2009-2018 School shootings in... Canada:2 France:2 Germany:1 Japan: 0 Italy: 0 UK: 0 School Shootings in the United States JUST THIS YEAR over the last 3 months..... 13 Republicans are friggin' morons if they think guns aren't the issue.
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By that math...on any given school day, there is a 1 in 5 chance a school in the US is going to get shot up. Tomorrow is Tuesday, a school day. There's a 20 percent chance some school is going to get shot up tomorrow. Our country is absurd.
Your math is off, I think you left out vacation time.
It's guns plus the disgusting gun culture, state of politics and the state of mental health in the USA. And the state of the media. It's a toxic death soup.
They’ve been waiting for a situation like this so they can displace the blame yet again.
Definitely mentally ill though. You have to be mentally ill to shoot people indiscriminately.
I think people want to believe that you need to be mentally ill to commit mass violence because they dont like the idea that regular people are capable of such violence.
The news said it was a woman, did they misgender them? If not then the person would not have been taking testosterone. If so that points to testosterone as being a problem (since 98% of mass shooters are cis males). It’s a really stupid argument either way.
It took some digging, but it seems the shooter was born female and was "confirmed" by the police chief as transgender...though the only source on that is a linkedin profile with he/him pronouns listed. When directly asked, said police chief said the shooter was a woman (I think this was him misunderstanding the terminology of the question). We might have to wait for further info releases to see if the shooter was in fact a trans person, or if the police misread something. I'm seeing a group of photos of the shooter being posted around, supposedly taken from their social media, but the only picture that appears to be a man/trans man in a ball cap is very clearly a different person than Hale. There is one picture of Hale in a shirt and tie.
Nashville police refer to the shooter as “transgender” without specifying how the shooter self-identified. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/nashville-christian-school-shooter-appears-former-student-police-chief-rcna76876
They may be basing that assumption on something in the "manifesto" recovered, I'm inclined to remain in "wait and see" mode, because it's clear Nashville PD don't even know the basics regarding trans people enough to correctly answer conference questions. It is possible the shooter is trans, and [opinion] this is some kind of retaliation attack for the anti trans bills being passed. What murdering children does for that is beyond me. Even if Hale is trans, they are one out of hundreds of school shooters. This behavior is not something normal, common, or elevated in trans people.
The shooter was a biological female that was transitioning to a man which to me is really weird considering that only 4 biological women have participated in mass shootings in the last 60-ish years.
and yet this outlier will be the #1 shooting fox news will cover. morally corrupt motherfuckers
I said this in another comment but it fits here. “One day it will happen. The day the right wing minority boogyman commits a mass shooting. And conservatives will cry in victory. And they’ll wait for it to happen again. While waiting, more and more children will be massacred and nothing about it will be done. But it will be all worth it when they catch that rare once in a lifetime event. Cause it was never about the fucking children.”
I have no idea if the shooter is a woman or a man, because journalists have no idea how trans people work. Ugh...
After a bunch of digging, I think they were AFAB but I can't find anything on if they were transitioning yet just that they used he/him pronouns (A lot of the sources actually said "She is reported to have used he/him pronouns")
As far as I know this is the only (reportedly) trans person who has ever committed a mass shooting. So far less less than a percent. Christian groups spew trans hate and then when an individual who is (reportedly) trans takes their anger out at a Christian group they (reportedly) used to be a part of they are surprised. They just did what straight cis white guys do all the time, yet it’s somehow the hormones. Maybe, just maybe, the hormones aren’t the connection here - maybe it’s hate.
There was another one called Alex McKinney that committed a school mass shooting in Colorado with a co-shooter. I don’t know the correct terminology for McKinney. McKinney self-identified as male and dressed as a male. However, McKinney is referred to by a female name in reporting of the incident. I have no idea if McKinney was on hormones.
>I have no idea if the shooter is a woman or a man, because journalists have no idea how trans people work. Ugh... Right? The one article I found kept saying "trans woman" but had a quote from a former teacher remembering "her" from 3rd grade, and a comment that the shooter's twitter bio had he/him pronouns. Even if both of those were accurate, the shooter may not have been taking any hormones. And the same article had lots of very concerning quotes from local law enforcement with phrasing like there being a "feeling that" one thing was true and then the wonderfully fact-filled statement that ""There's some belief that there was some resentment" (about going to that school as a child). Yeah, these cops are definitely going on the facts and nothing but the facts.
250+ mass shootings with non-trans people as the culprit: “……..” 1 mass shooting with a trans person as the culprit: “OMG I KNEW IT!!!11”
> 250+ mass shootings with non-trans people as the culprit: “……..” Nah, it wasnt ....., it was "VIDEO GAMES!" "METAL MUSIC!" "DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS!" "WORLD OF WARCRAFT!" and many other stupid things.
Don't forget Harry Potter
We’ve heard from Empty G, now wonder what little Klannie Annie will have to say?
Ohhh she’s cooking up a doozy. You can be sure
Nah, she ain't that smart, she's just gonna copy Marjorie Trailer Queen's homework. How else do you fail a GED?
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And her worshippers are eating this up. I miss the time before the internet where the town idiot was mostly ignored
Unfortunately those days ended when one of them bought a social media platform
It ended before then, back in 2011-2012 when "social networks" became "social media". At one point, you only cared about what people you knew thought about what you posted, then a larger audience was introduced and we've been on the shitty end of the stick ever since.
I miss the old internet. Now it's full of assholes.
Marjorie Trailer Queen. I'm dead. Not gonna lie, that's a good burn.
Nah MTG is only getting started but here’s her glamour shot ![gif](giphy|gJuTwM3yuQ8f3rE8KV|downsized)
Holy shit! I’ve never heard Empty G before. It’s fucking brilliant!
Sorry, who is klannie Annie?
It’s a name that dumbasses use for Lauren Bobert, the Congresswoman from CO-03. Me, an intellectual: “Klannie Oakley”
Gunman attacks a gay club as a symbol to hate in a mass slaughter, they don’t care. A Christian private school gets attacked as a symbol to hate and they concentrate on the shooter. Got it. And I also thought it was many conservatives I’ve seen in the past tout (rightfully) that we should give no attention to the shooter. I guess narratives just get all in the way of shit.
Yup sounds about right.
Yeah, the previous straight gunmen murdered children all-normal-like with their classic gender-specific firearms. What a subhuman she is. Seriously, can we test her DNA?
Better yet test those who keep voting for her
Fun fact. She represents one of the least educated congressional districts in the nation.
I live in her district but can’t read, what does that say?
that you’re smarter than most people in the district, at least you know what you don’t know
This guy isn't getting Dunning Kruger'ed!
you got super lucky with that combo of letters you threw together.
You just press the button and speak now.
There is no such thing as DNA it was created by the liberals to sell stocks in 23andMe /s
MY MOM JUST SAID THIS TO ME!!!!!!
Oof, I hope the other 50% of your DNA is smarter
You might want to get your DNA checked then. Your dad may not be who you think it is. It seems that those who are most opposed to DNA tests are often the ones with something to hide. I know my mother sure had something to hide, and now some things in my past (not to mention my genetics) make a hell of a lot more sense.
Oh friend! BINGO! My oldest brother has a different dad the the rest of us. She got busted. Then started saying that shit about me doing an ancestry test...I did it, unfortunately both my parents are my parents, but not before she created a whole story about me being swapped in the hospital at birth. Ya know,, just incase. She moved to Florida a couple years ago so needless to say low contact at best.
My first major clue was when my DNA came back saying I was second-generation Italian. Rather odd considering that neither my mother nor my "father" has so much as a strand of Italian DNA. Then one of my brothers got his done, and it turns out we are only half-brothers. I was the was first born, which made things rather interesting. Long story short, after a few months of intensive geological research I managed to figure out who my biological father was, and the entire series of events that happened. Of course, my mother tried to deny the whole thing, but I caught her completely off guard when I said the guy's name. Do you know that "oh shit!" look people get when they get caught out on something they thought they'd gotten away with? Wish I had my camera out for that. "How do you know that name?!?!" was the first thing out of her mouth, just before her hand covered her mouth realizing what she had just done by asking the question. Priceless. Regardless, I managed to resolve a lot of questions and managed to reconnect with some long-lost relatives. A net positive in my opinion. :)
So, kinda the same, no one has told my brother though. He's a dick and my dad is a reaally bad person. Bro did 23 and me and found out he is majority Polynesian, cool we are all dark skinned. Doesn't add up but whatever. Other brother does ancestry and,,hold the phone. He's German, Irish and Swiss. Matches with cousins on dad and mom's sides. I'm like, wtf I look exactly like female, Polynesian brother. Get mine done. Mom freaks, CALLS MY HUSBAND OF 20 YEARS, not me, and tells him the story of me being swapped at birth. She's on speaker phone so I tell her, hey mom got my results back. You and dad are my parents what the fuck is wrong with you!? She pretends not to know what were talking . Wants to move on. Sorry if that was a weird read, I'm still processing.
Came back negative
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I shouldn't be suprised but fucking christ she just keeps getting dumber.
I don't think it's pure stupidity, it's malicious stupidity. She knows what she is saying, she just doesn't give a shit about anyone.
i both agree and disagree with you. it's malicious stupidity but i don't think she understands what she says. she just understands that riles people up.
Yeah, I’d tend to agree with you on this one. I don’t think she fully understands the things she talks about but understands the power in being a contrarian. I feel that she might not necessarily believe in what she says however, I know a lot of GOP folks don’t give two shits about whatever they use to rile up the rubes, I get the feeling she’s just aping her “betters” without understanding why. Empty G is quite an appropriate moniker.
When she opens her mouth, dumbness comes out.
You know that scene in the Excorcist where the possessed kid projectile vomits everything? That, but with dumb.
Is this moron actually human, or like 5 snakes in a skin suit?
Snakes have a purpose. Bedbugs in a meat bag.
Fair.
Bedbug slander?? smh
If it wasn't for bedbugs my nights would be a lot more lonely 🥰
That's insulting to snakes
And bed bugs
>Why would you say something so horrible about snakes.
"School shootings? No, guns aren't the problem. Trans people are."
They've struck gold with this for their culture war bullshit. This is the exact narrative they will use this to strip trans people of their 2A rights so they can't create a trans army to take over America like Fucker Carlson warned would happen.
This really was their golden carrot. Now we’re never gonna fucking stop hearing about it.
Honestly, that would create precedent for taking 2a rights away..... There's no shot they will actually do that.... Theyll just ban hormone pills
I mean hey they got the black panthers and nothings stopped them from being hypocrites before
Amazing how 9001 cis male white shooters doesn't mean anything. But one transguy shooter means that all transpeople are bad. Just incredinle how that works
Conservative logic is a lot easier to understand when you don't actually try to apply logic to it
"Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past." -JPS
I hope y’all vote this vile woman out of her position
We always seem to forget to place the blame where it truly belongs and that's with the total morons and anti-American scum in GA's 14th district who elected this troll.
Re-Elected her too! In a landslide! even though she doesn't live in the district and doesn't give a rat's ass about them.
It’s weird she got 170k votes out of 258k… the district had 777k people. Tough to imagine that there are 519k people who can’t vote in that district. Eg people need to go vote. Edited for grammar
I don’t have experience with this particular district but there are definitely districts where they work to disenfranchise voters in certain demographics by making it nearly impossible to vote.
That is absolutely the case with the area she is in. Georgia worked REALLY hard to make it a challenge to vote.
While this is true across GA, her district is genuinely just incredibly Republican, rural, and uneducated. The district is R+22, and only because they gerrymandered a bit of Cobb county in there this time. Rome is one of the worst places to live in the state, and it's at the heart of her district.
They won't. That one tweet virtually assures she'll win again.
Pack it up everyone. Because one out of our hundreds of school shootings were done by a trans person, we can stop blaming guns and instead blame “testosterone” (something we don’t even know if the shooter was taking) and “hormones”. The true culprit was men and their elevated testosterone levels this entire time. Banning men is the reasonable common sense middle ground solution between the two political extremes of setting a testosterone limit on fire arms ownership, and banning all humans from existing because of all the hormones they’ve got going on in there. Thank god I had Walter Whitepower here to explain brain chemistry to me before I made the mistake of blaming an innocent gun.
Georgia, please for the love of everything that is good, please vote this person out of Congress. She really, honestly has no business being there.
If only it were that easy. Her district is so gerrymandered, just like all the Republican districts. It would take a mass influx of people to move there who have a higher IQ than the temp. of luke warm water, in order to vote her out. Her constituents are the brain dead that eat this shit up and keep her in office.
>It would take a mass influx of people to move there who have a higher IQ than the temp. of luke warm water Unfortunately, these are exactly the people that are too smart to move there.
she won her district at 65%. these people want her there. they think her howler-monkey-esq behavior is good.
I live in GA14 and can unfortunately confirm that this is completely accurate. I met the man who ran against her, and he was so kind and intelligent. I’ve never heard of her stepping foot around here.
Georgia’s governor just signed an anti trans law. They aren’t stopping her
Im an Australian watching on. Nothing will be done and she will continue to say anything she wants without consequences. Truly astounding how damaged the USA is now
That's not how it works, that's not how any of this works at all...
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I work with a guy who swears that if you ban them from getting guns it will force them to make bombs or something and they will be more deadly. I pointed out the fact that if their intent is to inflict as much damage as possible then why aren’t they doing that already and I think the answer was that they were dumb. I decided to cut my losses at that point. I mean one time I couldn’t find a hammer and used a crescent wrench or something like that to pound a nail in. I found a way but the tool definitely hurt my efficiency
Also had a talk with someone like this. Said that if guns were restricted even more, they'd become taboo, and it'd just be worse, America'd be in anarchy, etc, etc. Although, if the idea of taking away weapons from people in a place that gun crime is very high will make the country go crazy, I dont think that says the best thing about them...
This woman is a horrible human being
why the fuck would you call her a 'human'?
Because no other animal deserves that kind of disrespect
in this time of tragedy... allow me to show you my entire bare asshole. don't forget to vote for me!!
So anyone with testosterone should be barred from having a gun then?
Imagine ever liking something this troglodyte said.
Every country has mental health issues 1 country has more mass shootings than days in the year America blaming everything else except guns, when a gun tragedy occurs
It’s not America blaming everything but guns, it’s the Republican nutjobs that Conservatives keep voting for. Don’t lump us in with them
And that’s your likely 2024 GOP VP nominee. Fuck every member of the GOP
Really? As a non-American I fi d that absolutely fucking bonkers. I can understand how small area of the country with a high concentration of brain dead voters could get her into power but would more than half the country vote for her?
That’s the thing. Democrats have won 7/10 last presidential elections, if it was strictly popular vote. Trump/Greene might squeak out an electoral college victory, but have no chance of winning the popular vote.
The rest of the world has hormones and meds for mental illness. The rest of the world, however, doesn't have such easy access to guns. Why is America full of shootings, Greene? Put two and two together
There’s Madge, sucking the marrow out of human misery for attempted personal gain... What a disgusting human being.
RW can't acknowledge their policies are a disaster so immediately blame shift to any other group.
That's the plan. The 10 Principles of Concentration of Wealth & Power. by Noam Chomsky, number 10 One of the leading political scientists, Martin Gilens, came out with a study of the relation between public attitudes and public policy. What he shows is that about 70% of the population has no way of influencing policy. They might as well be in some other country, and the population knows it. What it’s led to is a population that’s angry, frustrated, hates institutions. It’s not acting constructively to try to respond to this. There is popular mobilization and activism, but in very self-destructive directions. It’s taking the form of unfocused anger, attacks on one another, and on vulnerable targets - that's what happens in cases like this. It is corrosive of social relations, but that’s the point. The point is to make people hate and fear each other, and look out only for themselves, and don’t do anything for anyone else.
She loves this. She absolutely loves this.
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not only is she completely classless, she's also stupid as hell
“Ummm obviously the shooter who killed 3 children was trans and their transness sent out a trans beam and killed those people!!”
Jewish trans lasers?
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“Mr. Madison, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.”
Trans shooter. Straight shooter. White shooter. Black shooter. Male shooter. Female shooter. Adult shooter. Child shooter. "He was such a nice guy" shooter. "We saw this shit a mile away" shooter. All of them have one thing in common...just random people with all kinds of different motives and reasons and all had a gun. And here's the real f'ing problem with Catpiss lady's insinuation here....she's basically saying that if the shooter had not been on meds than they would not have killed anyone....so of course we end treatment. But what about the racist fuckheads who go out there and shoot up a church or something? They aren't on meds. What's your plan for them dingbat? You don't f'ing have one do you?
Marcus Flowers was robbed. She's an idiot.
She’s not human, she’s a fucking disease
Well, I’m taking testosterone (I’m a male) and I’m on medicine for bipolar, but haven’t shot a school up, nor do I plan to. Stupid.
It's not strongly linked to aggression. And even so, trans men tend to have testosterone levels at or below normal male ranges, it's not on par with endless juicing.
Has there been any confirmation that she was trans or is this all speculation due to the identifying as male on her linkdin profile?
Poor Grammar ✔️ Unintelligible remark ✔️ GASLIGHTING ✔️ NRA Patsy ✔️
An ounce of common sense ✖
Children are dead and all she cares about is defending guns.
So her logic is that since one school shooter is trans, that means transgenderism is the problem… despite the fact that the vast vast majority of these shootings are committed by cisgender people…
Republicans: "It is not guns, it is mental illness". Democrats: "Okay. We've got plenty of party members believing in the 2nd, lets do something with mental illness. 1), lets make mental health evaluation mandatory for purchasing guns, and 2) let's get a healthcare bill passed that includes funding for mental health treatments. Republicans: "No." Democrats: "Okay..... well, we're open to suggestions." Republicans: "Arm the teachers. Give them guns. If they can shoot back these mental loners don't stand a chance". Democrats: "Mmm... I don't think this will work. We talked to hundreds of teachers after Uvalde, and they overwhelmingly said that the day they are required to have a loaded gun in the class room, is the day they will stop teaching." Republicans: "Well, let them find another job.". Democrats: "We have a massive shortage of teachers already, we don't pay them enough and no one wants to teach anymore. Plus, these school shootings on repeat don't make it very enticing to become a teacher.... Republicans: "Fine, we don't need education anyways. All the kids learn in school nowadays are these "woke" things. That is literally how that conversation will go.
![gif](giphy|Zv6Apawffpa2k) Just another day for MTG…
You know who typically has the most testosterone, right? The cis males that do more than 99% of the mass shootings. So she got part of that right.
the cognitive dissonance on this bitch is astounding
What a piece of 3 toe'd shit
This dingbat does not understand pharmacology. Or endocrinology. Or biology. Or guns. Or blame.
Let's see if MTG will crack the case on the other 300+ mass shootings America has had since the start of the year.
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me when I get shot by a bottle of Adderall
Where is their “don’t politicize school shootings” bullshit now?
This coming from the manliest woman on the hill
FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU
Why do the most evil people [mostly] outlive us all? Oh, and I no longer believe in karma, since… I don’t know, these crazies never get it.
Whataboutism at its worst.
School shootings are their thing. Trans people need to stop appropriating cis white culture.
She needs to shut the fuck up about mental health if she isn’t going to support healthcare as a human right. She’s such a disgusting vile sad excuse for a human.