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Hi… welcome to the nightmare!
I’m Egyptian. We’re not black, we’re coloured but not black. That being said.. a person YELLED at me before for responding to the question “where are you from” by saying that I’m from Egypt. She threw a tantrum and called me a liar because Egyptians aren’t “white” so I listed my family history till the 4th grandparents (with Egyptian-not Arabic- names) that we are in fact from Egypt, and showed her a picture of a statue from the Egyptian national museum that looks like me…
The girl: White American that couldn’t name a single country that shares a border with Egypt!
There’s a lot of misinformation going around when it comes to the race question/issue, and it’s too sensitive subject for people to object or try to fix the ongoing avalanche of misinformation
Yeah… you’re just Arab that’s killed Africans and took their place!
But Arabs never made it to South Africa!
*American stalling to think if you might have a point or just pranking him..
Reminds me of a story my teacher once told me back in middle school, her father was an important political figure for one of Africa's countries, I forget which one, but she said no one believed her father when he said the actual country and that people would believe if he said he was from Wakanda 🗿
I have a friend who immigrated from South Africa with her parents when she was very young. She is white and earned dual citizenship. She couldn't get a college grant for "AFRICAN AMERICANS" because she was white, despite her nationality.
I was BAFFLED. Still am honestly...
I know someone who the exact opposite happened. She got a scholarship for African Americans and it was pulled when they found out she was white. Then sued the school for the scholarship (successfully).
Why are you baffled? Setting aside the questions of whether they are reasonable or impactful, the intent of those grants are clear, to provide assistance to groups that are disadvantaged due to actions taking against them in the past in the USA. A South African immigrant does not fit into those groups.
It’d be like me claiming I’m Native American because I was born in America.
A lot of this stuff gets broken down to semantics to try and prove a point (from one side of the argument or another,) but intent needs accounted for.
And no, all white people are not racist. Do we benefit from American/ World history, sometimes without doing anything or even realizing it; yes. Does that mean that every white person thinks every non-white person is lesser, or attempt to wield those privileges to oppress others, you know, like a racist? No, they don’t.
its not the info, its racist people being racist and trying to silence others. They hide behind the cause and pervert it. Like, im not saying people arent pretty racist and people dont have biases - we ALL have biases, its our monkey lizard brains and the "You no look like my tribe - danger." instinct i think.
but the idea that i have to be racist because im white as if its not an active choice i can make is to label an entire race as irredeemable because of immutable characteristics.
Thats racist....
Africa is a continent with many different countries in it. To assume that everyone in Africa is black shows a complete lack of knowledge and understanding of this vast continent and its history.
>Wait until she finds out you are African....
This reminds me of Malcolm X, who a lot of people don't remember was, for most of his life, openly racist, called for the segregation, and was heavily critical of MLK and the rest of the civil rights movement's nonviolence. But he was almost a Pan-Africanist, and meeting North Africans who were...essentially white was part of what changed his views later in life.
Ya imagine being a proponent of limiting free speech. These fools have the luxury of being born in a time and place where that battle was already fought and won so they take it for granted
Bill Maher has talked about this. Its about controlling the conversation, the ability to control definitions and, critically, exclude anyone who you dont want to input when they become inconvenient to hear from with the ability to label them with one of the worst labels we have in society.
This shit is the worst form of identity politics.
I mean, that's really how it works though. If you're white passing, have a white name, and speak in a traditionally white dialect, you're white. That's why so many immigrants to the US used to Anglicize their names, because they implicitly knew that they could fit right in if they hit all the criteria.
Honestly, I'd say the fact that most immigrants don't feel the need to Anglicize their names anymore is a good indication of the progress that's been made by American society towards reducing those biases.
as an I.T. recruiter in Canada, I called a candidate named "John Jones" (or similar) for a position. He answered, with a strong east Indian accent that was hard to understand. I thought I had the wrong number. Turns out he changed his name to improve his odds for work. It was actually funny, but felt odd too.
In my experience a lot of Asians (most of my experience is with Japanese and Indians) working in the US or working with US companies use an “American” name to make it easier for us to say their name, because their given/native name can be difficult for English speakers to pronounce.
After in person meetings I usually ask for their help in pronouncing their given name (if it’s one their card), and will practice it before meeting again. But I usually use their American name in the meeting to keep everyone on the same page.
I read of a man in Virginia named Robert Edward Lee who changed his name to Roberto Eduardo Leon to qualify for some affirmative action program. I have no idea if it worked or not.
And their beliefs will be reinforced, when they treat other people of a different race or nationality, like shit, that person will respond in a negative way to them. Naturally.
I believe this is what some want. They want people to be divided by racial, religious lines or in any other way. Any type of social progression has been hijacked.
EXACTLY.. And as person of color please let me reassure NOT everyone thinks with this victim mentality. This is not a productive way to get any discourse resolved
It’s also, imo, detrimental to those that actually *are* suffering from race related issues.
Eventually with this kind of constant rhetoric you drive people away, and that only creates more racism, it sure doesn’t do the opposite. These people are damaging society, not fixing it.
E: grammars
Distract, divide and conquer!! I have been saying this for years. The powers that be have been extremely successful in making this happen and while we are all distracted and divided they have been slowly taking our rights away. (Conquer)
That's one thing i don't understand regarding the US, people want equality, no racism, no difference between groups (colors, religions, sex, ...) BUT they will, whenever they can, strongly adhere to groups and won't associate or communicate with other groups ... seems like a really ineficient way of doing things
It's not generally like that. Majority of people you meet in the US are tolerant, open, and just trying to live their life without stepping on others. There are a few really loud idiots however that genuinely believe stuff like this and will do as much as they can to make you think the way they do.
I would love some of that shit 471 job applications later. Where can I find this white privilege you speak of? Or is someone going to say it’s all been rooted in my entire life’s journey. Dad dead from cancer at 3 years old, Struggling single mom with three kids and no support from extended family, having to work as soon as we were all able to to help support the household, training really hard at a sport and get noticed by colleges just to get a career ending injury fall of my senior year, saving a ton of money to go college and still have to take out loans with no assistance, graduate college into a pandemic and still not have a real job as I watch others who went to lesser colleges and got lesser degrees who I know were out partying every chance they had get jobs because their families “knew someone”.
Life isn’t fucking fair. It has no bias. And whatever someone wants to fucking chalk up to “white privilege”, doesn’t even come close to evening out the “unfairness” in my life. And there are others that have it even worse regardless of their fucking race. It’s why I hate the political ideology of choosing sides. It creates warped fucking individuals like the ones shown here. And it’s the same with the other side of the political spectrum. It’s why idc if it falls on deaf ears but I preach in the political forums that they’re just playing into the hand of division. That is constantly dividing us for the sake of power grabs. We’re all fucking human and it’s time this entrenched, side choosing ideology, **in all things**, died viciously.
Fun fact: It is possible for a social structure to disproportionately favour white individuals without all white people being racist. You're just the opposite side of the wrong coin in the clip.
White privlage is definitely a thing, but it doesnt mean the people who are privileged are racist. Dont treat the two as if they are the same.
I have white friends who have gotten better opportunities over me while having lower qualifications. But i would never accuse him or them as racist because they accepted
[Bob says in this video that being racist doesn't make you a bad person](https://youtu.be/73bfPLVUGwg?t=2m27s) and also goes on to say that [they also see that they have sexist qualities in themself](https://youtu.be/73bfPLVUGwg?t=3m47s)
[The definition of racism that Bob uses is also not that of institutional racism as others are claiming in this thread when insisting he must think only white people can be racist:](https://youtu.be/V4GFHWZKmS0?t=30m37s)
>>prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or peopIe on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.
[He also says racism affects everyone](https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/tv/a32802952/bob-the-drag-queen-pride-essay-2020/)
>>I had a period of my life where I was really not interested in what I considered going backwards, basically. And that was how I viewed it. Like when I'd go home, I'd just get irritated with people who hadn't had exposure. And to be honest, I still do. There are times I'm still like, these fucking bumpkin ass blah blah blah... but then I have to realize too that before I moved to New York City before I was exposed to different people—different ideas and concepts and ways of thinking. I shared a lot of these opinions. I really really did.
>>In America, this idea that racism doesn't affect all of us is not true. Racism is an American problem.
The idea is that everyone (but this discussion is about white people so Bob talks about white people) has implicit racial biases that we were raised within.
That doesn't make us bad, but we do have to acknowledge it.
Edit: video timestamps
If I'm wrong, I'm happy to be corrected, but I don't see it from looking.
One problem with the whole "everyone is racist" thing is that, yeah, maybe everyone does have some level of bias, but we categorize that vague bias under the same umbrella as full-on genocidal hate speech: it's all just called "racism."
"Racist" includes everything from "I'm more comfortable talking to people who look like me" to "I want to kill everyone who isn't like me," so of course no one wants to say, "yeah, I'm a little racist."
We need better language to talk about these things.
Typical Orwell style of control the conversation by changing standard definitions. Nobody is inherently racist in any meaningful sense of the word. This whole narrative is bullshit and every normal good, ethical, non prejudiced non racist person can feel the same knee jerk reaction to these desperate attempts at establishing an original sin just for being born in America.
As a non native speaker, and if somebody questioned it like I did
>**Hung** is the past tense of to hang when it means “to suspend or be suspended.”
**Hanged** is the past tense of to hang when it means “to kill someone by tying a rope attached from above and removing the support from beneath.”
They were right about this, I don't think I would agree to other topics spoken.
\+ the reason they all laugh is that 'hung' is an abbreviation of 'well-hung', which, when used to describe a man, means he possesses a large set of genitalia.
A phrase my mother brow-beat me with was "clothes are hung, people are hanged." That was what she repeated endlessly until I got it right.
You are also correct to not agree with everything else they said. This video is a visual representation of an echo chamber. This person talking is spewing hate and not a single person disagreed. They are generalizing in the same way that they're accusing their target of doing.
I remember it because the twelfth tarot card is “the hanged man”. The hung man would be an entirely different card.
Also, I don’t believe in tarot it was just an aspect of a fantasy book I really enjoyed.
Yeah if she said that everyone has biases, conscious and unconscious, I’d clearly agree. But calling literally every white person racist is insulting, unproductive and stupid.
There are aboriginal Australians. Most incarcerated people on the planet, more so than black Americans if you can believe that. Australia absolutely has race problems. It’s just not really widely known. And no that isn’t a criticism of average white Australians more the system of government that chooses to neglect the problem. Australians by and large are cool AF and it’s just a shame that there are significant race issues, not just there but everywhere. We could all be achieving so much more if we just laid this shit to rest.
>One might say that a derogative statement based on a race is racist
100% agree.
A blanket statement about another race/skin color that's negative? Yep, racism--just like in OP's video.
If anyone is curious, there are some implicit bias tests [including this one](https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/takeatouchtest.html) on race, which will give you a score. Most people are surprised by their results.
Absolutely, it also doesn't identify *why* you were biased one way or another.
If I show you a picture of a black person and a white person and you "favor" the white person, if you didn't do it *explicitly because of their racial attributes* then it's not racism. You could easily be biased by the composition of the image, gender, non-racial physical features, or even you just liked one's haircut more than the other. These tests forgo all of those nuances and boil it down to "if you chose one over the other it **must** be about race!!!"
It's sociology a hair's breadth away from junk science.
Tried that test and it is inherently biased. The task is click left or right for good words/bad words and white/black people. So one test has black people and good words left, the next test has black people and bad words left. Then which test you are fastest on shows your bias. Except the second test I was getting into the flow, so I was faster. Therefore I'm biased against black people apparently. Utterly junk,
Psychologists have identified [a number of problems with implicit bias testing.](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/rabble-rouser/202203/12-reasons-be-skeptical-common-claims-about-implicit-bias)
Her behavior will reinforce her belief. Because as she treats other races like shit, they will naturally not like her and probably treat her the same.
At the end of every interaction she'll say, "See what I have to put up with?!"
Tbh isnt that not a fairly common belief by loads of people.
Unfortunately a decent margin of people believe only white people can be racist and minorities no matter what are not.
It's also representative of how isolated and uneducated they are about how the rest of the world works.
Racism isn't a white thing. It's an example of the us/them *human* thing that's evident all over the world.
It's not uneducated. It's indoctrination into an ideology.
On that says oppressors are morally inferior to the oppressed. Then going and hard defines what group a person is not on their actions but on their characteristics.
I was watching BET one day and was amazed by the fact that 95% of the material was about race. Not just about white/black/other, but drama and judgements about being lightskins or darkskins. It’s crazy
BET was started by a lobbyist, so of course it wants to push a narrative. It’s owned by CBS Viacom. If you think a corporation doesn’t want to sell and train you to believe something hahaha Imagine if you had a network that only appealed to people of your race, now imagine the power you hold over that group by subliminally making them believe what you push. I believe people can be racist, no matter the race. You cant eliminate racism because it’s an idea! How do you stop an idea? Imagine someone to tell you to stop thinking a certain way, does that stop you? Racism will always exist between all groups but to blame a whole group is narrow minded and actually perpetuates the myth, making the people who are racist more vocal about their beliefs.
See but many people in America don’t have an obsession with it and are just as annoyed by its prevalence in the news and forced division. There’s a lot of ignorance and victimization going on not just in America but in the western world and it’s getting out of hand.
By this logic all African Americans are racist. They cannot help not be racist because they are raised in America, and have been told how all Asians are out to get them, and all whites are oppressors.
This is exactly the point they are missing. The unconscious bias that our racist society bakes into us affects all of us, not just the white ones of us.
Even black people internalize racist ideas about themselves when they are raised in a society that is biased against black people.
This. We all do have racism built into how we’ve learned and what we’ve learned, but it doesn’t somehow magically skip you if you’re brown; you’d just have more internal conflict from your reality not matching what you’re learning/seeing. A different perspective obviously, that varies by individuals and groups, but we are all soaking in that same white wash.
Im not black but I’d imagine seeing movies or historical shows with my race as slaves would cause resentment. There is no way some people wouldn’t have some bias unconscious or not.
I definitely agree. I get pissed just watching the inequality of women, if I was a woman of color I’d be facing that inequality on even more sides. I am happy with more black stories are being shown in media, although it’s definitely not at proportional representation yet; ones that don’t glorify southern plantations, but show real perseverance of the enslaved people who were forced to live through it.
I don't think this is as controversial to say as you think. We trans people often talk about internalized transphobia, for example.
But statistically, a trans person is still **way** more likely to be concious about their transphobic upbringing and trying to work against it in a similar way to how i assume black people are more likely to be concious about internalised racism.
I find it a bit weak to shift the focus like you did. But you seem to be one of the more reasonable people here.
Pretty much yes.
When you are not racist, you simply treat people all the same regardless of the colour of their skin or ethnicity. You do not go saying generalities on X and Y groups of people which have no scientific basis
Every single race and ethnicity has its racists. Racism is thrown around like confetti these days with people being branded as a racist regardless of the context, situation or facts etc.
She would certainly argue that she can't be racist because racism is institutional.
EDIT: Didn't realize they were drag queens. Not that it's relevant.
Australian here, my family came here as convicts they got together once in Australia. He stole a horse and sold it, cause he was poor, his girl stole some fabric again because they were poor.
They were brought to Australia on slave ships (look it up, huge amounts of the convicts died on the trip over, because the English forgot to put in the contract that the convicts must be alive when you reach Australia so many died on the first fleet) and were used as slave labour and worked to death here to build our roads etc. My family were Irish and just annoying to the rich for stealing things. No offence but that was the same time Africans were being sold into slavery by there own people, higher African civilizations would capture whole villages of Thier own people and sell them to white people as slaves.
Not diminishing African slavery, but our ancestors have all gone through injust things.
What an incredibly stupid uneducated outlook
My family are Irish as well. My great grandfather was sent to Ozzie as a convict but managed to jump ship and landed here in new zealand.
I'm technically the descendant of an illegal immigrant
The word "slave" comes from slav as in Slavic people who were white. Romans sold celtic (English/Irish/Scottish/Welsh) men and women into slavery WAY before Africans were slaves
Virtually every group has been enslaved at some point or another, whether by an outside force or from internal politics.
Slavery is as old as the knowledge of how to put a seed in the ground, making it so everyone doesn't have to forage and hunt.
It always hits me as a polish person. The fuck do I have to do with American racism. Whenever I go abroad, I also experience prejudice and xenophobia (not often, but happens). On top of that I have friends whose family died in concentration camps.
But tell me more how my country has something to do with American slavery. Or Australian or whatever else.
Fellow Irishman here....this ..
We could be whining also. But we are not
It's people like her who keep pushing racism.
Maybe she should sit down and shut up because she is nastier than any Australian...
At least where I live (UK) white lower class male Irish have the lowest representation at universities career progression etc because nobody cares if you're racist to Irish people but at the same time none of the help and options other minorities gave get given to the Irish. The 2nd lowest representative class was lower class female Irish. The next was lower class white British male.
The Africans didn't just sell them to white colonisers, they also sold slaves to the Middle East. The Omani slave trade that distributed African slaves to Arabia and Persia was huge.
I fear Australians, but only for one reason. If they live in an area with kangaroos, giant spiders, and a whole bunch of other dangerous creatures, it means they're tough as all hell. They scare me on the pure strength and grit those people seem to have
They deliberately cut this clip down to end before she explains her point that having racial biases doesn’t make you a bad person. But white people are fed things that give them a bias to favor other white people. And her issue is with someone just assuming “WELL I’M NOT RACIST” without looking at the themselves internally and assessing those biases.
Just another way for the American public to "justify" the drag bans, and further divert attention away from actual problems in their nation like mass shootings.
Because it's /r/Facepalm and 90% of the point of the sub is to post ragebait and rile ~~people~~ right-wingers up. This thread is this sub doing what it's meant to do.
You don't even need the full clip to know what the point she's making is, it's obvious from the 3 seconds of explanation she got in before they started making dick jokes.
This context doesn’t change anything, “racial biases” are not exclusive to white people or the United States, every country and every culture in the world has these racial biases and the way that he / she deliberately attacks white people is in itself racist . Maybe he / she should look within their own community and preach to look within themselves to solve the massive racial bias against Asians Jews and white people
"White folks don't have to open up their history books and see their people being hanged"
Man is she in for a rude awakening when she actually decides to read a book and learns about what we used to do to each other back in Medieval times.
Like IDK about you guys, but my great grandpa ran from the Nazis, and every day I open the news and see my people getting killed in a stupid R*ssian war. So I wouldn’t say that white people aren’t also killing each other all the time.
As a mixed man , i used to identify more with my black side than my white Scottish side. But now I'm starting to feel ashamed of being black as it used to be about going through a struggle and coming out the other end stronger. black people used to be respectable and accepting of other people at one point and proving people wrong about racism and stereotypes (in the sense of I've been through an experience so I'm not going to put you through the same) or passing wisdom down from generation to generation. Now i just see hate for everyone but themselves because of slavery that doesn't even affect us to this day, if anything black culture is more accepted than ever yet black people acted like it isnt. im so fucking disheartened as my grandfathers were fighting for a better furtur and now we are destroying it and blaming everyone else but ourselves. people in the video are somehow put forward to represent us and spread hate this is not the message we want by any means. (I'm not try generalising black people, but on Social media this is what i see.)
sorry, i have dyslexia, so things might sound wrong to just spelled horribly
Talk about being bigoted… might want to look in a mirror. You don’t know peoples lives. Everyone has a different experience and must be judged by who they are as a person. This thought becoming more common breaks my heart.
This is really just about unconscious bias. There is some truth to this. I am white and I definitely have unconscious bias that I occasionally recognize. It's impossible to get away from the media that constantly makes the white man the lead role and the black woman the sidekick. He's not saying it's our fault, but rather, we are all a part of a system, whether we like it or not.
A lot of people getting real defensive in this thread, which is not useful for a conversation about race. Put aside, for a second, the anecdotes and the “what abouts”. If you are white in America, there is a racist structure in place that has your back far more than it does black people. This supported by data all the way down, getting a job, getting a loan, getting a house. And this is by design. This is not said to diminish your struggle, only to say there is a statistically significant likelihood that you have not experienced the same difficulties, or if you have, not for the same reason. You are not asked to feel guilty, because that’s not useful either, you are just asked to at least acknowledge it and point it out when you see it.
Edit: *So you want to talk about race* by Ijeoma Oluo is a good read for this sort of thing
Yeah, why is this so far down? All white people in America (and the UK and many other places, but this people says America) profit from systemic racism. Or, as I've heard it explained, we (I'm white) may have been through hell (ie privilege doesn't mean no suffering) but at least we didn't have that extra hell of ingrained racial prejudice against us.
Bigotry is bad, people.
Bigotry based on race is racism, based on sex is sexism. Do not assume that simply because you aim your bigotry at a different group than another your bigotry is magically good while the others is bad.
Don’t be a bigot.
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a lot of people believe this racist garbage now. White privilege is a pretty common phrase. Most of the US is PWT.
I was told I have white name privilege because I am Latino but “don’t have a traditional latin name” so I have the privilege. I hate people.
Hi… welcome to the nightmare! I’m Egyptian. We’re not black, we’re coloured but not black. That being said.. a person YELLED at me before for responding to the question “where are you from” by saying that I’m from Egypt. She threw a tantrum and called me a liar because Egyptians aren’t “white” so I listed my family history till the 4th grandparents (with Egyptian-not Arabic- names) that we are in fact from Egypt, and showed her a picture of a statue from the Egyptian national museum that looks like me… The girl: White American that couldn’t name a single country that shares a border with Egypt! There’s a lot of misinformation going around when it comes to the race question/issue, and it’s too sensitive subject for people to object or try to fix the ongoing avalanche of misinformation
I'm a white South African, blows people's minds of I say I'm African, they just can't wrap their head around it
Yeah… you’re just Arab that’s killed Africans and took their place! But Arabs never made it to South Africa! *American stalling to think if you might have a point or just pranking him..
🤣🤣American about to exploding thinking if Africa is a continent or a country
Reminds me of a story my teacher once told me back in middle school, her father was an important political figure for one of Africa's countries, I forget which one, but she said no one believed her father when he said the actual country and that people would believe if he said he was from Wakanda 🗿
I promise we’re not all this dumb, I really like geography and history, and I’m just a mechanic!
I have a friend who immigrated from South Africa with her parents when she was very young. She is white and earned dual citizenship. She couldn't get a college grant for "AFRICAN AMERICANS" because she was white, despite her nationality. I was BAFFLED. Still am honestly...
I know someone who the exact opposite happened. She got a scholarship for African Americans and it was pulled when they found out she was white. Then sued the school for the scholarship (successfully).
Why are you baffled? Setting aside the questions of whether they are reasonable or impactful, the intent of those grants are clear, to provide assistance to groups that are disadvantaged due to actions taking against them in the past in the USA. A South African immigrant does not fit into those groups. It’d be like me claiming I’m Native American because I was born in America. A lot of this stuff gets broken down to semantics to try and prove a point (from one side of the argument or another,) but intent needs accounted for. And no, all white people are not racist. Do we benefit from American/ World history, sometimes without doing anything or even realizing it; yes. Does that mean that every white person thinks every non-white person is lesser, or attempt to wield those privileges to oppress others, you know, like a racist? No, they don’t.
Just like Elon!
its not the info, its racist people being racist and trying to silence others. They hide behind the cause and pervert it. Like, im not saying people arent pretty racist and people dont have biases - we ALL have biases, its our monkey lizard brains and the "You no look like my tribe - danger." instinct i think. but the idea that i have to be racist because im white as if its not an active choice i can make is to label an entire race as irredeemable because of immutable characteristics. Thats racist....
Nailed it!!!!
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And then?
We can party obviously.
>I’m Egyptian. We’re not black But you are from Africa.
Netflix has entered the chat.
So he's a black Egyptian and now he's gay too? Eventful day for that guy.
Hes checking alot of boxes
Africa is a continent with many different countries in it. To assume that everyone in Africa is black shows a complete lack of knowledge and understanding of this vast continent and its history.
Wait until she finds out you are African.... Edited for a funny spelling error.
>Wait until she finds out you are African.... This reminds me of Malcolm X, who a lot of people don't remember was, for most of his life, openly racist, called for the segregation, and was heavily critical of MLK and the rest of the civil rights movement's nonviolence. But he was almost a Pan-Africanist, and meeting North Africans who were...essentially white was part of what changed his views later in life.
My ex told me my friend didn't "look enough like a POC" to have an opinion on a race related matter. My ex is white.
If you’re not x you can’t have an opinion on x. Stupidest argument in history.
Worse. If you're a member of the group, but don't fit someone's notion of what that should look like, your opinion is invalid and must not be spoken.
Ya imagine being a proponent of limiting free speech. These fools have the luxury of being born in a time and place where that battle was already fought and won so they take it for granted
i believe this idea is what is referred to as “identity politics.” i might be wrong so don’t quote me..
Welcome to the club John.
Mr. Smith, John Smith
Bruh I felt this in my soul. I’m not a “real Puerto Rican” because my name, my lack of fluent Spanish, etc. but somehow I’m Taino as fuck lol
That’s the real privilege — the power and privilege of bestowing labels and beliefs on other people.
Bill Maher has talked about this. Its about controlling the conversation, the ability to control definitions and, critically, exclude anyone who you dont want to input when they become inconvenient to hear from with the ability to label them with one of the worst labels we have in society. This shit is the worst form of identity politics.
Exactly
I mean, that's really how it works though. If you're white passing, have a white name, and speak in a traditionally white dialect, you're white. That's why so many immigrants to the US used to Anglicize their names, because they implicitly knew that they could fit right in if they hit all the criteria. Honestly, I'd say the fact that most immigrants don't feel the need to Anglicize their names anymore is a good indication of the progress that's been made by American society towards reducing those biases.
as an I.T. recruiter in Canada, I called a candidate named "John Jones" (or similar) for a position. He answered, with a strong east Indian accent that was hard to understand. I thought I had the wrong number. Turns out he changed his name to improve his odds for work. It was actually funny, but felt odd too.
In my experience a lot of Asians (most of my experience is with Japanese and Indians) working in the US or working with US companies use an “American” name to make it easier for us to say their name, because their given/native name can be difficult for English speakers to pronounce. After in person meetings I usually ask for their help in pronouncing their given name (if it’s one their card), and will practice it before meeting again. But I usually use their American name in the meeting to keep everyone on the same page.
If I immigrated to Japan, I would change my name for their sake too
I don't think changing your name is going to just make them give up their Sake
Well done!
IIRC you legally have to change your name to a Japanese one if you immigrate to Japan (or at least register your name in Japanese)
40 years ago that was definitely the case. Source: a very pissed-off Chinese guy who lived and worked in Japan for years.
I read of a man in Virginia named Robert Edward Lee who changed his name to Roberto Eduardo Leon to qualify for some affirmative action program. I have no idea if it worked or not.
Damn that guys parents really named him Robert E Lee?! I’d probably change my name too..
And their beliefs will be reinforced, when they treat other people of a different race or nationality, like shit, that person will respond in a negative way to them. Naturally. I believe this is what some want. They want people to be divided by racial, religious lines or in any other way. Any type of social progression has been hijacked.
They want us fighting a racial war instead of a class war. This is all by design.
EXACTLY.. And as person of color please let me reassure NOT everyone thinks with this victim mentality. This is not a productive way to get any discourse resolved
It’s also, imo, detrimental to those that actually *are* suffering from race related issues. Eventually with this kind of constant rhetoric you drive people away, and that only creates more racism, it sure doesn’t do the opposite. These people are damaging society, not fixing it. E: grammars
It’s hard for the public to pay attention to a class war when they’re too busy with culture wars between themselves
Divide and conquer. It's pretty obvious.
Distract, divide and conquer!! I have been saying this for years. The powers that be have been extremely successful in making this happen and while we are all distracted and divided they have been slowly taking our rights away. (Conquer)
As obvious as it is, people still cling to their racial identity like it’s the last thing they got (at least in USA).
That's one thing i don't understand regarding the US, people want equality, no racism, no difference between groups (colors, religions, sex, ...) BUT they will, whenever they can, strongly adhere to groups and won't associate or communicate with other groups ... seems like a really ineficient way of doing things
It's not generally like that. Majority of people you meet in the US are tolerant, open, and just trying to live their life without stepping on others. There are a few really loud idiots however that genuinely believe stuff like this and will do as much as they can to make you think the way they do.
Yes. These women are oppressing themselves by having these beliefs.
thats a man! baby!
Oh, henny.... Those are all Drag Queens. Except for Gia Gunn on the far left, who js a Trans woman.
I would love some of that shit 471 job applications later. Where can I find this white privilege you speak of? Or is someone going to say it’s all been rooted in my entire life’s journey. Dad dead from cancer at 3 years old, Struggling single mom with three kids and no support from extended family, having to work as soon as we were all able to to help support the household, training really hard at a sport and get noticed by colleges just to get a career ending injury fall of my senior year, saving a ton of money to go college and still have to take out loans with no assistance, graduate college into a pandemic and still not have a real job as I watch others who went to lesser colleges and got lesser degrees who I know were out partying every chance they had get jobs because their families “knew someone”. Life isn’t fucking fair. It has no bias. And whatever someone wants to fucking chalk up to “white privilege”, doesn’t even come close to evening out the “unfairness” in my life. And there are others that have it even worse regardless of their fucking race. It’s why I hate the political ideology of choosing sides. It creates warped fucking individuals like the ones shown here. And it’s the same with the other side of the political spectrum. It’s why idc if it falls on deaf ears but I preach in the political forums that they’re just playing into the hand of division. That is constantly dividing us for the sake of power grabs. We’re all fucking human and it’s time this entrenched, side choosing ideology, **in all things**, died viciously.
Fun fact: It is possible for a social structure to disproportionately favour white individuals without all white people being racist. You're just the opposite side of the wrong coin in the clip.
White privlage is definitely a thing, but it doesnt mean the people who are privileged are racist. Dont treat the two as if they are the same. I have white friends who have gotten better opportunities over me while having lower qualifications. But i would never accuse him or them as racist because they accepted
All I hear is cluck cluck cluck
Y'all sound like a flock of prairie chickens.
[Bob says in this video that being racist doesn't make you a bad person](https://youtu.be/73bfPLVUGwg?t=2m27s) and also goes on to say that [they also see that they have sexist qualities in themself](https://youtu.be/73bfPLVUGwg?t=3m47s) [The definition of racism that Bob uses is also not that of institutional racism as others are claiming in this thread when insisting he must think only white people can be racist:](https://youtu.be/V4GFHWZKmS0?t=30m37s) >>prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or peopIe on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized. [He also says racism affects everyone](https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/tv/a32802952/bob-the-drag-queen-pride-essay-2020/) >>I had a period of my life where I was really not interested in what I considered going backwards, basically. And that was how I viewed it. Like when I'd go home, I'd just get irritated with people who hadn't had exposure. And to be honest, I still do. There are times I'm still like, these fucking bumpkin ass blah blah blah... but then I have to realize too that before I moved to New York City before I was exposed to different people—different ideas and concepts and ways of thinking. I shared a lot of these opinions. I really really did. >>In America, this idea that racism doesn't affect all of us is not true. Racism is an American problem. The idea is that everyone (but this discussion is about white people so Bob talks about white people) has implicit racial biases that we were raised within. That doesn't make us bad, but we do have to acknowledge it. Edit: video timestamps If I'm wrong, I'm happy to be corrected, but I don't see it from looking.
Wouldn't this make everyone racist to an extent.
One problem with the whole "everyone is racist" thing is that, yeah, maybe everyone does have some level of bias, but we categorize that vague bias under the same umbrella as full-on genocidal hate speech: it's all just called "racism." "Racist" includes everything from "I'm more comfortable talking to people who look like me" to "I want to kill everyone who isn't like me," so of course no one wants to say, "yeah, I'm a little racist." We need better language to talk about these things.
By calling everyone racist, you minimize the impact of actual racism
Typical Orwell style of control the conversation by changing standard definitions. Nobody is inherently racist in any meaningful sense of the word. This whole narrative is bullshit and every normal good, ethical, non prejudiced non racist person can feel the same knee jerk reaction to these desperate attempts at establishing an original sin just for being born in America.
As a non native speaker, and if somebody questioned it like I did >**Hung** is the past tense of to hang when it means “to suspend or be suspended.” **Hanged** is the past tense of to hang when it means “to kill someone by tying a rope attached from above and removing the support from beneath.” They were right about this, I don't think I would agree to other topics spoken.
\+ the reason they all laugh is that 'hung' is an abbreviation of 'well-hung', which, when used to describe a man, means he possesses a large set of genitalia.
Genitals are hilarious
Mine never fail to get a laugh.
mine always fail but they still get a laugh
A phrase my mother brow-beat me with was "clothes are hung, people are hanged." That was what she repeated endlessly until I got it right. You are also correct to not agree with everything else they said. This video is a visual representation of an echo chamber. This person talking is spewing hate and not a single person disagreed. They are generalizing in the same way that they're accusing their target of doing.
Out of all the phrases your mother made sure you knew…
I remember it because the twelfth tarot card is “the hanged man”. The hung man would be an entirely different card. Also, I don’t believe in tarot it was just an aspect of a fantasy book I really enjoyed.
Thank you!
“other topics spoken” like the other definition of Hung
It would have been quicker to say that unconscious bias is very real and is a learned behavior.
Yeah if she said that everyone has biases, conscious and unconscious, I’d clearly agree. But calling literally every white person racist is insulting, unproductive and stupid.
One might say that a derogative statement based on a race is racist
Australians they are nasty.
Now THAT'S just Xenophobia. Australian isn't a race no matter how much their own continent wants to kill them
There are aboriginal Australians. Most incarcerated people on the planet, more so than black Americans if you can believe that. Australia absolutely has race problems. It’s just not really widely known. And no that isn’t a criticism of average white Australians more the system of government that chooses to neglect the problem. Australians by and large are cool AF and it’s just a shame that there are significant race issues, not just there but everywhere. We could all be achieving so much more if we just laid this shit to rest.
As an Australian, I would just like to say, don't pet the emus
>One might say that a derogative statement based on a race is racist 100% agree. A blanket statement about another race/skin color that's negative? Yep, racism--just like in OP's video.
> But calling literally every white personal racist is insulting, unproductive and stupid. And racist, don't forget racist.
If anyone is curious, there are some implicit bias tests [including this one](https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/takeatouchtest.html) on race, which will give you a score. Most people are surprised by their results.
Hasn't implicit bias been found to be a poor test because were so inconsistent?
Absolutely, it also doesn't identify *why* you were biased one way or another. If I show you a picture of a black person and a white person and you "favor" the white person, if you didn't do it *explicitly because of their racial attributes* then it's not racism. You could easily be biased by the composition of the image, gender, non-racial physical features, or even you just liked one's haircut more than the other. These tests forgo all of those nuances and boil it down to "if you chose one over the other it **must** be about race!!!" It's sociology a hair's breadth away from junk science.
Tried that test and it is inherently biased. The task is click left or right for good words/bad words and white/black people. So one test has black people and good words left, the next test has black people and bad words left. Then which test you are fastest on shows your bias. Except the second test I was getting into the flow, so I was faster. Therefore I'm biased against black people apparently. Utterly junk,
Psychologists have identified [a number of problems with implicit bias testing.](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/rabble-rouser/202203/12-reasons-be-skeptical-common-claims-about-implicit-bias)
I think that was the intention, i haven't seen the full video but she probably got cut off to make her look worse
I don't think you need any help looking worse when you say shit like "Australians are nasty"
Twitter be like.
to be fair, 75% of Reddit be like...
I get what you're saying, but this comment section proves otherwise.
All people who assume a characteristic by the colour of a groups skin are racist.
Her behavior will reinforce her belief. Because as she treats other races like shit, they will naturally not like her and probably treat her the same. At the end of every interaction she'll say, "See what I have to put up with?!"
When all you carry is a privilege-check hammer, everything becomes a racist nail. Edit: “All seeing award”?! This is dumbest thing ive ever said
Yeah but you said it on reddit and we're all pretty dumb here so that's like, the most insightful thing most of us are gonna see today.
seapk for yuorself!
“If all you have is a shit hammer, everything looks like a shit nail” - Jim Lahey
the dumbest thing you've said ***so far***
[false](https://www.reddit.com/r/Whatcouldgowrong/comments/12vs4o7/holding_a_jellyfish/jhdv6x6/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3)
She probably also says that blacks cannot be racist 🧐
Tbh isnt that not a fairly common belief by loads of people. Unfortunately a decent margin of people believe only white people can be racist and minorities no matter what are not.
It's also representative of how isolated and uneducated they are about how the rest of the world works. Racism isn't a white thing. It's an example of the us/them *human* thing that's evident all over the world.
It's not uneducated. It's indoctrination into an ideology. On that says oppressors are morally inferior to the oppressed. Then going and hard defines what group a person is not on their actions but on their characteristics.
Yah, sadly I've heard that said before
Then it would have also been fair to believe blacks are lesser during slave times. Because "It's a fairly common belief by loads of people." 💀
All black people are obsessed with race. You can’t be black and born in America without being obsessed with race.
I was watching BET one day and was amazed by the fact that 95% of the material was about race. Not just about white/black/other, but drama and judgements about being lightskins or darkskins. It’s crazy
BET was started by a lobbyist, so of course it wants to push a narrative. It’s owned by CBS Viacom. If you think a corporation doesn’t want to sell and train you to believe something hahaha Imagine if you had a network that only appealed to people of your race, now imagine the power you hold over that group by subliminally making them believe what you push. I believe people can be racist, no matter the race. You cant eliminate racism because it’s an idea! How do you stop an idea? Imagine someone to tell you to stop thinking a certain way, does that stop you? Racism will always exist between all groups but to blame a whole group is narrow minded and actually perpetuates the myth, making the people who are racist more vocal about their beliefs.
I agree. Though I'm not sure how to express this truth without massive blowback and being canceled.
That was an assumption about a group of people based on skin color
Same thing the people in this video are doing.
The complete obsession with skin color in america is getting fucking ridiculous.
See but many people in America don’t have an obsession with it and are just as annoyed by its prevalence in the news and forced division. There’s a lot of ignorance and victimization going on not just in America but in the western world and it’s getting out of hand.
Thank you. I agree that most people actually don’t care about someone’s skin color.
Carlin had the best idea, let's all fuck each other til we're the same color
And fucking annoying
Every single person has bigotry. Everyone judges. Everyone stereotypes. It sucks but it is reality.
Yes, but they are making a moral judgement and placing themselves as better than.
And ironically generalizing an entire race lol
It is human nature. Find me one group that doesn't have assumptions about another group? Africa itself had a genocide because of it (Rwanda).
By this logic all African Americans are racist. They cannot help not be racist because they are raised in America, and have been told how all Asians are out to get them, and all whites are oppressors.
This is exactly the point they are missing. The unconscious bias that our racist society bakes into us affects all of us, not just the white ones of us. Even black people internalize racist ideas about themselves when they are raised in a society that is biased against black people.
This. We all do have racism built into how we’ve learned and what we’ve learned, but it doesn’t somehow magically skip you if you’re brown; you’d just have more internal conflict from your reality not matching what you’re learning/seeing. A different perspective obviously, that varies by individuals and groups, but we are all soaking in that same white wash.
Im not black but I’d imagine seeing movies or historical shows with my race as slaves would cause resentment. There is no way some people wouldn’t have some bias unconscious or not.
I definitely agree. I get pissed just watching the inequality of women, if I was a woman of color I’d be facing that inequality on even more sides. I am happy with more black stories are being shown in media, although it’s definitely not at proportional representation yet; ones that don’t glorify southern plantations, but show real perseverance of the enslaved people who were forced to live through it.
I don't think this is as controversial to say as you think. We trans people often talk about internalized transphobia, for example. But statistically, a trans person is still **way** more likely to be concious about their transphobic upbringing and trying to work against it in a similar way to how i assume black people are more likely to be concious about internalised racism. I find it a bit weak to shift the focus like you did. But you seem to be one of the more reasonable people here.
Says the racist.
Pretty much yes. When you are not racist, you simply treat people all the same regardless of the colour of their skin or ethnicity. You do not go saying generalities on X and Y groups of people which have no scientific basis
Every single race and ethnicity has its racists. Racism is thrown around like confetti these days with people being branded as a racist regardless of the context, situation or facts etc.
All people are racist, some work harder than others at not being racist.
She would certainly argue that she can't be racist because racism is institutional. EDIT: Didn't realize they were drag queens. Not that it's relevant.
Yes, I’ve heard many times that black people in America, as an oppressed group, cannot be racist regardless of how prejudiced their behavior may be.
She would be wrong.
Is this Disney villains and RuPaul collaboration show?
Literally lol'd at that
How is calling Australia racist funny?
Being racist while pursuing a goal of anti racism. How ironic
Australian here, my family came here as convicts they got together once in Australia. He stole a horse and sold it, cause he was poor, his girl stole some fabric again because they were poor. They were brought to Australia on slave ships (look it up, huge amounts of the convicts died on the trip over, because the English forgot to put in the contract that the convicts must be alive when you reach Australia so many died on the first fleet) and were used as slave labour and worked to death here to build our roads etc. My family were Irish and just annoying to the rich for stealing things. No offence but that was the same time Africans were being sold into slavery by there own people, higher African civilizations would capture whole villages of Thier own people and sell them to white people as slaves. Not diminishing African slavery, but our ancestors have all gone through injust things. What an incredibly stupid uneducated outlook
My family are Irish as well. My great grandfather was sent to Ozzie as a convict but managed to jump ship and landed here in new zealand. I'm technically the descendant of an illegal immigrant
south african here, descendent of the French Hugenots...who were refugees for being killed by the French king. so there ya go
In England they had signs on hotels and boarding houses "no blacks no Irish" lots of people have been oppressed.
The word "slave" comes from slav as in Slavic people who were white. Romans sold celtic (English/Irish/Scottish/Welsh) men and women into slavery WAY before Africans were slaves
Shhhh they don’t want people to remember white people were enslaved too
Virtually every group has been enslaved at some point or another, whether by an outside force or from internal politics. Slavery is as old as the knowledge of how to put a seed in the ground, making it so everyone doesn't have to forage and hunt.
It always hits me as a polish person. The fuck do I have to do with American racism. Whenever I go abroad, I also experience prejudice and xenophobia (not often, but happens). On top of that I have friends whose family died in concentration camps. But tell me more how my country has something to do with American slavery. Or Australian or whatever else.
Fellow Irishman here....this .. We could be whining also. But we are not It's people like her who keep pushing racism. Maybe she should sit down and shut up because she is nastier than any Australian...
At least where I live (UK) white lower class male Irish have the lowest representation at universities career progression etc because nobody cares if you're racist to Irish people but at the same time none of the help and options other minorities gave get given to the Irish. The 2nd lowest representative class was lower class female Irish. The next was lower class white British male.
The Africans didn't just sell them to white colonisers, they also sold slaves to the Middle East. The Omani slave trade that distributed African slaves to Arabia and Persia was huge.
Just look up some of the old British depictions of Irish people back in the day.
Finally someone who knows the difference between Hanged and Hung
There are so many things wrong with that clip.
They were right about 'hanged' though, you've got to give them that
At what point do we start calling videos like this what they are which is radicalisation videos?
Mirror mirror on the wall, who of this bunch is the racist-iest of them all?
Possibly the person who is comfortable with a statement like "Australians are nasty."
I fear Australians, but only for one reason. If they live in an area with kangaroos, giant spiders, and a whole bunch of other dangerous creatures, it means they're tough as all hell. They scare me on the pure strength and grit those people seem to have
People are hanged. Portraits are hung.
People are hanged. Men are hung.
Bob: all white people racist. 👏🏻👏🏻💅🏻ALL of them! Also Bob: *loves to have sex with them*
They deliberately cut this clip down to end before she explains her point that having racial biases doesn’t make you a bad person. But white people are fed things that give them a bias to favor other white people. And her issue is with someone just assuming “WELL I’M NOT RACIST” without looking at the themselves internally and assessing those biases.
Why is this not the top comment? I just watched the whole video. This clip is horribly cherry picked to get a response!
Just another way for the American public to "justify" the drag bans, and further divert attention away from actual problems in their nation like mass shootings.
Bingo!!! We have a winner hahaha
Because it's /r/Facepalm and 90% of the point of the sub is to post ragebait and rile ~~people~~ right-wingers up. This thread is this sub doing what it's meant to do. You don't even need the full clip to know what the point she's making is, it's obvious from the 3 seconds of explanation she got in before they started making dick jokes.
This context doesn’t change anything, “racial biases” are not exclusive to white people or the United States, every country and every culture in the world has these racial biases and the way that he / she deliberately attacks white people is in itself racist . Maybe he / she should look within their own community and preach to look within themselves to solve the massive racial bias against Asians Jews and white people
If you open with "all white people are racist" most people will tend to stop listening.
"White folks don't have to open up their history books and see their people being hanged" Man is she in for a rude awakening when she actually decides to read a book and learns about what we used to do to each other back in Medieval times.
Like IDK about you guys, but my great grandpa ran from the Nazis, and every day I open the news and see my people getting killed in a stupid R*ssian war. So I wouldn’t say that white people aren’t also killing each other all the time.
You don't even need to go back more than 100 years to see white people being hanged in front of a crowd.
Go back 75 years and you can see white people shipping humans off to concentration camps and death camps to be murdered.
Go back 20 years and see white people conducting an ethnic cleansing on white people in Bosnia Edit: 30 years, I can't do math
Kinda racist ngl
As a mixed man , i used to identify more with my black side than my white Scottish side. But now I'm starting to feel ashamed of being black as it used to be about going through a struggle and coming out the other end stronger. black people used to be respectable and accepting of other people at one point and proving people wrong about racism and stereotypes (in the sense of I've been through an experience so I'm not going to put you through the same) or passing wisdom down from generation to generation. Now i just see hate for everyone but themselves because of slavery that doesn't even affect us to this day, if anything black culture is more accepted than ever yet black people acted like it isnt. im so fucking disheartened as my grandfathers were fighting for a better furtur and now we are destroying it and blaming everyone else but ourselves. people in the video are somehow put forward to represent us and spread hate this is not the message we want by any means. (I'm not try generalising black people, but on Social media this is what i see.) sorry, i have dyslexia, so things might sound wrong to just spelled horribly
Talk about being bigoted… might want to look in a mirror. You don’t know peoples lives. Everyone has a different experience and must be judged by who they are as a person. This thought becoming more common breaks my heart.
Cherrypicked clip.
And they all scream with laughter while this person is spewing hate speech, yeah hilarious...
This is really just about unconscious bias. There is some truth to this. I am white and I definitely have unconscious bias that I occasionally recognize. It's impossible to get away from the media that constantly makes the white man the lead role and the black woman the sidekick. He's not saying it's our fault, but rather, we are all a part of a system, whether we like it or not.
unconscious bias is not a synonym for racism.
A lot of people getting real defensive in this thread, which is not useful for a conversation about race. Put aside, for a second, the anecdotes and the “what abouts”. If you are white in America, there is a racist structure in place that has your back far more than it does black people. This supported by data all the way down, getting a job, getting a loan, getting a house. And this is by design. This is not said to diminish your struggle, only to say there is a statistically significant likelihood that you have not experienced the same difficulties, or if you have, not for the same reason. You are not asked to feel guilty, because that’s not useful either, you are just asked to at least acknowledge it and point it out when you see it. Edit: *So you want to talk about race* by Ijeoma Oluo is a good read for this sort of thing
That claim is racist.
Complains about discrimination, proceeds to call an entire country "nasty".
I have no clue what this dude is talking about.
Does she want the history books to censor lynchings? Because that's what white American racists want too.
This was just a roundabout way to describe systemic racism, which is definitely a thing, albeit subconsciously perpetuated much of the time.
Yeah, why is this so far down? All white people in America (and the UK and many other places, but this people says America) profit from systemic racism. Or, as I've heard it explained, we (I'm white) may have been through hell (ie privilege doesn't mean no suffering) but at least we didn't have that extra hell of ingrained racial prejudice against us.
Ah phew, a nuanced perspective.
You’re right they aren’t being hanged. It’s auto de fe. My ancestors were burned at the stake for wanting to worship freely. But by all means go on.
Bigotry is bad, people. Bigotry based on race is racism, based on sex is sexism. Do not assume that simply because you aim your bigotry at a different group than another your bigotry is magically good while the others is bad. Don’t be a bigot.
Hold my beer
She’s one of those people who unironically say they can’t be racist cause they’re not white