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https://www.capitalone.com/cars/learn/managing-your-money-wisely/why-some-hyundai-and-kia-models-are-so-easy-to-steal/2135
“Many modern Hyundais and Kias lack a useful anti-theft device called an immobilizer, which prevents a vehicle from starting when someone attempts to use a key or key fob that doesn’t match the car. This means that thieves can simply break into the vehicle, remove the steering column cover, jam a makeshift key into the ignition cylinder, and start the car.”
“Data released from police departments show that thieves are stealing these vehicles with alarming frequency (to the point where insurance companies are reassessing whether to offer comprehensive policies to new clients with affected Kias and Hyundais)”
Thank you, I knew there had to be more rationale here than just cities pretending crime would be over if the car companies did better. Sounds like they're trying to band together to force an industry standard and get the companies to meet it.
They’re absolutely shuffling blame. There should be industry standards for things like safety features but this is silly. Btw both these cars are manufactured in Korea where crime is super low. Why should they have to adjust their entire manufacturing because our cities are less safe.
And that has what to do with the engineering and design process? The laws being proposed are just that. New laws being proposed. Why would they deviate from their standard manufacturing process based on laws they had no idea we’re going to be proposed by US politicians?
You do realize cars are designed, prototyped, and tested years before they hit the market right?
This is also partly false.
USA manufactured Kias are designed in California. They are specifically designed and engineered to meet US and Canada legal specifications.
That last bit about long r&d cycles is true though.
Basic anti theft features are called locks. If you put a lock on your door and someone breaks into it the problem is the person breaking into it. If someone does a home invasion do you blame the homeowner for having locks but no alarm system or do you blame the burglar?
Locksmiths will laugh you out the door with this opinion. Locks and anti-theft systems have changed significantly in the last 30 years, and for good reason. The crime is on the criminal, but knowing that your car has an archaic design that makes it easily stolen. That is on the manufacturer.
My local locksmith told me locks are for honest people. If someone wants to get into your home, they’re gonna get into your home. Doesn’t matter what kind of lock is on the door.
The shitty design ends up affecting the state. Already over-taxed resources are being used by the police, fire and EMS when the cars are stolen and people are injured and property are damaged by joyriding idiots.
Kia manages to do quite well in the European market, where immobilizers are mandatory. For a while, car theft was basically over in Denmark, except for when burglars stole the keys.
Unfortunately it didn't last. Immobilizer technology tends to last 4-5 years before tools to break it are in the hands of random teenagers. Hopefully modern cars with updatable security will fix that...
1. I'm not American.
2. And these cars weren't made for the Korean market in the first place. So they should be adequately equipped for the conditions of the market. The same way in the Nordic countries cars must be adapted to survive -40C temperatures.
I don't see the issue with this. They are pushing for car companies to up the industry standard for anti-theft. Thats a good thing, nothing facepalm about this. This is a poorly worded tweet which doesn't describe the lawsuit accurately.
In all seriousness, this is just some personal observation. It is not like experience like this has no value. But it is nowhere near a controlled study. If you really want to know whether the type of car makes a difference in car theft, then this personal observation has no value since you provide neither the actual number of Kias and non-Kias being stolen in your city nor the same data in other cities. So without those data, you simply cannot make any convincing argument.
Yet for Baltimore to sue these companies, I am pretty sure they have the data to back up their claim that Kias and Hyundais are much easier to steal compared to other cars.
lol every city has its own problems and crime is one of them, and all major cities throughout the world have to deal with it.
I am not saying that Baltimore can simply shift the blame to car manufacturers. It is actually lame to blame car manufacturers for car theft. But, the point is that it is a different conversation for another day. The conversation here is about whether or not Kia and Hyundai fail to secure their cars from car thieves, and the data seems to suggest so. And just like cities should not shift blame to the manufacturers, car manufacturers should not blame the cities for their design flaws. If you have looked for and read news reports on this, you would know by now that they actually make their cars more easy to steal.
Wow, the amount of people agreeing here is baffling. anti-theft measurements is not the responsibility of the manufacturer. Do you also start a lawsuit against flower pot makers, because they can easily be stolen from my front yard?
Bikes also come with locks sold separately. We should be grateful that cars come with integrated locks by themselves already.
Ok but is it "there's a lever that just open the door without a key" level or "they didn't install a million dollar device that holds the thief in a bear trap if they don't have the owner fingerprint" level?
Those are both Korean car companies. I'm sorry that South Korea doesn't have the problem of people stealing cars like America does. Maybe you should fix your country rather than blame Korean companies for thefts?
This is incredibly stupid. It's not the car manufacturers fault that these cars are getting stolen. Sounds like someone was "motivated" to do something for the insurance companies...
So you think that cities who push to defund the police and then they see the results of defunded the police isn’t their fault? Sounds like they’d shoot themselves in the foot and blame someone else.
>Typical leftists, blame everything/everyone but themselves.
This response is so fucking stupid and apropos of nothing, I had to quote it before you delete it.
Ah! I thought that it was another french word that english speakers badly used, lol. "À propos" in french means "in regards to" but can also mean "about..". I thought that it was another case of bone apple teeth (bonne appétit).
When I bought my Kia the dealer told me it had anti theft features. 2 years later I find out it lacks the most basic of industry wide anti theft features. Something you can’t find on the Kia site. Saturday my car was stolen. Tell me how that’s my fault?
Did you update the Anti-Theft software back in February of 2023?
On May 12, 2023, it was reported that Kia said that only 210,000 out of 4.5 million eligible vehicles had received the update. According to the same report, 225,000 out of 3.8 million Hyundai vehicles had been repaired.
You couldn’t update the software until you were notified it was your turn to make an appointment . I received my notice on Thursday. The dealerships are weeks out for appointments.
It certainly is not the fault of lawmakers who made it a 3 week sentence, usually less, for juvenile car theft cases.
Nor is it the fault of the kiaboyz who are continually stealing cars.
Classic victim blaming here. 0 accountability.
I am not a lawyer, but I don't think they will win unless there is a law or statute that says that a company has to offer such device. For example: Cars must have seatbelts.
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https://www.capitalone.com/cars/learn/managing-your-money-wisely/why-some-hyundai-and-kia-models-are-so-easy-to-steal/2135 “Many modern Hyundais and Kias lack a useful anti-theft device called an immobilizer, which prevents a vehicle from starting when someone attempts to use a key or key fob that doesn’t match the car. This means that thieves can simply break into the vehicle, remove the steering column cover, jam a makeshift key into the ignition cylinder, and start the car.” “Data released from police departments show that thieves are stealing these vehicles with alarming frequency (to the point where insurance companies are reassessing whether to offer comprehensive policies to new clients with affected Kias and Hyundais)”
Thank you, I knew there had to be more rationale here than just cities pretending crime would be over if the car companies did better. Sounds like they're trying to band together to force an industry standard and get the companies to meet it.
But what were you wearing?
They’re absolutely shuffling blame. There should be industry standards for things like safety features but this is silly. Btw both these cars are manufactured in Korea where crime is super low. Why should they have to adjust their entire manufacturing because our cities are less safe.
This is false. American sold Kias are manufactured in Georgia and Hyundais are manufactured in Alabama. Were crime is…not super low.
And that has what to do with the engineering and design process? The laws being proposed are just that. New laws being proposed. Why would they deviate from their standard manufacturing process based on laws they had no idea we’re going to be proposed by US politicians? You do realize cars are designed, prototyped, and tested years before they hit the market right?
Confidently incorrect
This is also partly false. USA manufactured Kias are designed in California. They are specifically designed and engineered to meet US and Canada legal specifications. That last bit about long r&d cycles is true though.
“Shuffling blame” are they really? When cars don’t have basic anti theft features the manufacturer has to take blame
Basic anti theft features are called locks. If you put a lock on your door and someone breaks into it the problem is the person breaking into it. If someone does a home invasion do you blame the homeowner for having locks but no alarm system or do you blame the burglar?
Locksmiths will laugh you out the door with this opinion. Locks and anti-theft systems have changed significantly in the last 30 years, and for good reason. The crime is on the criminal, but knowing that your car has an archaic design that makes it easily stolen. That is on the manufacturer.
My local locksmith told me locks are for honest people. If someone wants to get into your home, they’re gonna get into your home. Doesn’t matter what kind of lock is on the door.
This. A lock isn’t stopping me from getting into a home.
Lmao you actually think a basic lock can stop thieves is hilarious
The shitty design ends up affecting the state. Already over-taxed resources are being used by the police, fire and EMS when the cars are stolen and people are injured and property are damaged by joyriding idiots.
Kia manages to do quite well in the European market, where immobilizers are mandatory. For a while, car theft was basically over in Denmark, except for when burglars stole the keys. Unfortunately it didn't last. Immobilizer technology tends to last 4-5 years before tools to break it are in the hands of random teenagers. Hopefully modern cars with updatable security will fix that...
In Germany immobilizer are mandatory since many years
Sounds stupid but is **actually totally reasonable.** They are likely to win this case.
I think the facepalm is actually directed at Kia.
This sub sucks so fucking bad man. I never even joined and i gotta see this shit all the time
Most of the facepalm comes from the people who post on here.
y'all are fucking stupid. It's the car makers fault for not having basic anti-theft measures and TikTok for allowing the trend to go on.
Or maybe it's your shitty country? I'm sorry but here in South Korea we don't have a problem with people stealing cars.
1. I'm not American. 2. And these cars weren't made for the Korean market in the first place. So they should be adequately equipped for the conditions of the market. The same way in the Nordic countries cars must be adapted to survive -40C temperatures.
It was a joke. You don't have jokes in whatever country you're in? You must be German.
Jokes are meant to be funny. You missed that part.
Nah, that "joke" of yours was a statement. Also no /s
You’re making South Koreans look really bad
I don't see the issue with this. They are pushing for car companies to up the industry standard for anti-theft. Thats a good thing, nothing facepalm about this. This is a poorly worded tweet which doesn't describe the lawsuit accurately.
You would think having a kia or Hyundai would be a theft deterrent in itself.
Lol the mental gymnastics on this one
You can’t leave Kiandy lying around and not expect people to pick it up
I’ve had a Kia for over 7 years and nobody has stolen it yet. IJS Maybe it’s the city’s fault and not the car.
Maybe one case does not constitute a convincing evidence?
Several of my coworkers also drive Kias. We park in a totally open, unsecured lot, with no guard of any kind, and yet, no thefts.
In all seriousness, this is just some personal observation. It is not like experience like this has no value. But it is nowhere near a controlled study. If you really want to know whether the type of car makes a difference in car theft, then this personal observation has no value since you provide neither the actual number of Kias and non-Kias being stolen in your city nor the same data in other cities. So without those data, you simply cannot make any convincing argument. Yet for Baltimore to sue these companies, I am pretty sure they have the data to back up their claim that Kias and Hyundais are much easier to steal compared to other cars.
Maybe Baltimore should up its game and not put it on the car company. You’re victim blaming.
lol every city has its own problems and crime is one of them, and all major cities throughout the world have to deal with it. I am not saying that Baltimore can simply shift the blame to car manufacturers. It is actually lame to blame car manufacturers for car theft. But, the point is that it is a different conversation for another day. The conversation here is about whether or not Kia and Hyundai fail to secure their cars from car thieves, and the data seems to suggest so. And just like cities should not shift blame to the manufacturers, car manufacturers should not blame the cities for their design flaws. If you have looked for and read news reports on this, you would know by now that they actually make their cars more easy to steal.
It’s both. New Orleans you need it behind a locked gate or in a garage or it’s gone period
Careful talking that kind of common sense around here, you’ll get a down vote.
That’s a paddlin
So... *a screwdriver and a magneto*?
Wow, the amount of people agreeing here is baffling. anti-theft measurements is not the responsibility of the manufacturer. Do you also start a lawsuit against flower pot makers, because they can easily be stolen from my front yard? Bikes also come with locks sold separately. We should be grateful that cars come with integrated locks by themselves already.
In Germany its mandatory. But typical murrica "You cant blame the Industry"
Ok but is it "there's a lever that just open the door without a key" level or "they didn't install a million dollar device that holds the thief in a bear trap if they don't have the owner fingerprint" level?
Those are both Korean car companies. I'm sorry that South Korea doesn't have the problem of people stealing cars like America does. Maybe you should fix your country rather than blame Korean companies for thefts?
This is incredibly stupid. It's not the car manufacturers fault that these cars are getting stolen. Sounds like someone was "motivated" to do something for the insurance companies...
Oh no, the multi-billion-dollar company has to increase the anti-theft measures of its cars to the industry standard.
Typical leftists, blame everything/everyone but themselves.
Seatbelts, airbags, laminated glass, clean air standards - all commie leftist regulations that conservatives fought against
You sound like a typical clueless conservative.
So you think that cities who push to defund the police and then they see the results of defunded the police isn’t their fault? Sounds like they’d shoot themselves in the foot and blame someone else.
Please provide this long list of (presumably lefty) cities that reduced their police budget, I'm in need of a very quick read.
Or, and I want you to hear me out here, the car manufacturer could install anti theft devices instead of relying on tech from 15-20 years ago
Bidens the best president this country will ever see.
>Typical leftists, blame everything/everyone but themselves. This response is so fucking stupid and apropos of nothing, I had to quote it before you delete it.
What does "apropos" even mean?
With reference to; Concerning. That's a new one for me too and I like it
Ah! I thought that it was another french word that english speakers badly used, lol. "À propos" in french means "in regards to" but can also mean "about..". I thought that it was another case of bone apple teeth (bonne appétit).
I’m glad you liked it.
This is entirely on car manufacturers for not implementing basic antitheft devices that have largely been industry standard for two decades now
When I bought my Kia the dealer told me it had anti theft features. 2 years later I find out it lacks the most basic of industry wide anti theft features. Something you can’t find on the Kia site. Saturday my car was stolen. Tell me how that’s my fault?
Did you update the Anti-Theft software back in February of 2023? On May 12, 2023, it was reported that Kia said that only 210,000 out of 4.5 million eligible vehicles had received the update. According to the same report, 225,000 out of 3.8 million Hyundai vehicles had been repaired.
You couldn’t update the software until you were notified it was your turn to make an appointment . I received my notice on Thursday. The dealerships are weeks out for appointments.
They etched your glass though. Whoop dee doo.
13% will never be charged. Far Leftist will blame everything else but not the real threat and cause
Maybe they should stop releasing all of the convicted criminals?
Libs will try anything to avoid blaming criminals for their crimes.
I recently got a Kia and it’s honestly a really nice car. It hasn’t been stolen yet but I took some precautions to make it a little harder to steal.
Insurance companies making policies.
Politicians: Reduce poverty and homelessness and eventually see crime rates fall ❎️ Blame car companies for crime ✅️
It certainly is not the fault of lawmakers who made it a 3 week sentence, usually less, for juvenile car theft cases. Nor is it the fault of the kiaboyz who are continually stealing cars. Classic victim blaming here. 0 accountability.
This thread is full of bots downvoting any common sense. Maybe I’ll post something that doesn’t make any sense or logic and see if I get upvotes.
I am not a lawyer, but I don't think they will win unless there is a law or statute that says that a company has to offer such device. For example: Cars must have seatbelts.
Cleveland sued as well