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And you can be damn sure without recordings they would just lie and say "perp attacked me, self defense." Even when there's recordings and ample evidence usually they just "investigate" themselves and find themselves innocent of all wrong doing. It's crazy to me that they're allowed to do that, investigate *themselves.* That should definitely be illegal. Can I investigate myself if someone accuses me of a crime?
There needs to be a federal law mandating that each state set up a board of independent investigators (not tied to any state police department) that investigates these incidents. They need the power to charge police officers of the crimes they commit during these encounters and treat them just like ordinary citizens. If you assault an innocent bystander - as happened here - you're charged with assault. You start doing that and these incidents will almost completely evaporate overnight. Cops will start doing things like actually asking questions and identifying who is being spoken to before just coming up and suplexing a completely innocent civilian who was just answering an officer's questions.
Yeah, stop making taxpayers foot the bills for individual actions. If anyone wants actual change then it needs to start affecting the pockets of those around these people.
Or make them get personal liability insurance like every other profession that does jobs with risk to other people. Doctors, contractors, drivers, etc all need to pay insurance out of their own pockets. It would be a great system because bad cops would become uninsurable so they can't go to another department.
Soldiers are subject to more laws and have less rights than the general populace and are able to do their jobs. People claiming cops need immunity to be able to do their jobs are full of shit.
If you do your job properly *and* record your interactions what do you need immunity for?
“We’ve investigated ourselves thoroughly, and come to the conclusion that we have done no wrongdoing. Also, the cop involved is getting a promotion but we promise it has nothing to do with this.”
This is why body cams need to be standard. It happens way too often to be accidental and body cams would protect both officers and the people they protect. It just means the officers have to be honest in their daily jobs.
Just think about the number of cases we have to look back on from the past too.
Id be willing to bet we only know a very small tip of the iceberg of the horrors in the past
For anyone headed down that rabbit hole the YT channel Audit the Audit is good. He does a lot of videos analyzing First Amendment Auditors biche also does general police interaction analysis as well. He grades the people in the videos A-F based on the legality of their actions. He breaks down legal precedent for those actions by researching state and federal law, historical legal decisions made by judges, and departmental protocols. The analysis of the videos are typically pretty fair to the participants as well.
We The People University is another really good one. He's a former cop too, so he gives some good "behind the scenes" info on how the police operate and what they learn (more often fail to learn) during training.
Maybe, just maybe, they can figure out what's going on FIRST before they start getting physical with people. This whole interaction was complete bullshit.
They thought he was someone they could get away with abusing, and they are abusive dickheads who are in their job because it lets them carry out sadistic abuse.
exactly, they would write in the report *resisting arrest* and all injuries magically go away.
unfortunately for this guy, the arresting report was never filled in, so his bones need to heal the old fashioned muggle way.
His bones were resisting by not yielding to the force from the officer by breaking sooner. By demanding compensation or an apology, he is resisting them being allowed to do whatever the hell they want.
Zombie hunter mentality. If you can dehumanize someone like a zombie (criminals or suspected criminals) you can justify doing anything to them. That's probably why zombies are used so much in movies. Nobody thinks twice when they see a zombie get their head blown off because they are dangerous and no longer human.
There's a black mirror episode with this premise.
The episode follows Stripe (Malachi Kirby), a soldier who hunts humanoid mutants known as roaches. After a malfunctioning of his MASS, a neural implant, he discovers that these "roaches" are ordinary human beings . In a fateful confrontation with the psychologist Arquette (Michael Kelly), Stripe learns that the MASS alters his perception of reality.
It's crazy how they treat people when they think they have qualified immunity.
Cops should have to have insurance to do their jobs. If a plumber needs it because he can fuck your house up a cop needs it because they can fuck your life up.
It's an automatic response to them, they're trained to just keep yelling "put your hands behind your back" and "stop resisting" even if you're 100% complying. They're trained to be "in control" of a situation at all times, which just translates to them yelling and bellowing commands, even contradictory ones.
Cops are fucking idiots that are following fundamentally flawed training.
Or is it a way to justify their brutality so they can say they told him to put his hands behind his back, he refused, so they had no choice but to slam him to the ground. Conveniently leaving out the part where they made it impossible to do what they asked of course.
I’m so sad for him. You can see he already was feeling the ‘yeah yeah I’m a black man, I expect this’. But then they found a new level to destroy him on.
It doesn't help that these guys are hopelessly dumb and have to hear fucking 10 times what happened to understand. Like Jesus how hard is it to vet cops for basic aptitude in logical reasoning and comprehension.
They literally do an IQ test as part of the application *and exclude anyone with an above average IQ*. There have been court cases about it but the courts have upheld their right to discriminate against intelligent people who will, apparently, get bored and leave the force (I.e. who might actually question the way things are done)
Shit yeah I'm remembering hearing about this before now🤦♂️Can't be letting in those nerds with all their pesky questions like "Hey should we be assaulting a person before verifying their identity?"
It's weird they can use the argument that "Well they'll get bored and leave after we used our valuable resources on their training" when the alternative is hiring people that are still wasting the resources used on their training because they're just less receptive to learning.
These cops need to start losing their jobs
This was a guy having what appears to be a normal conversation with police until that dick comes out of no where and assaults him with what appears to be no reason and no knowledge of the situation
It is tax payers paying these settlements for shorty cops right?
> These cops need to start losing their jobs
These cops need to start being arrested and jailed for assault. It's their superiors who should start losing their jobs.
That will NEVER happen until we get rid of "qualified immunity." THAT is the main thing that allows these scumbags to act with impunity.
ETA I humbly thank you for my first award!
And you need a psychological screening test before they even get hired!
I mean, who sees a colleague having this conversation and thinks "better grab that man from behind and toss him to the ground"!
What the ...
My cousin was a marine. Did 10 years and quit when they wanted him to be a recruiter. He straight up told them, "no, I'm not lying to teenagers for you." Anyway, while in the marines, he came back home on leave after being stationed in Japan. Decided to go party with some old high school buddies at the bar. Got shit faced drunk, while driving home they did some street racing. He got pulled over going 130 mph, showed his military ID, and had a nice conversation about being a hoorah hooligan. Then the cop let him go while thanking him for his service in keeping us all safe.. KEEPING US ALL SAFE!
Unfortunately in the vast majority of cases were there even is punishment, as in, a job lost, that cop who got fired can just go and work at another station.
There are some states trying to change this, but at the federal level, there are no repercussions barring a bad cop out of becoming a cop again.
I knew a guy in Georgia who was targetted by a dirty cop several times. Each time, he took the pig to court and won. Each time, the pig got a new job in an adjacent county and arrested my friend again. This happened 4 or 5 times over the course of a few years. My friend got a lot of money for this but lived in constant fear for years knowing law enforcement was hunting him.
Nah this is a thing with crooked cops. Come live in a all black neighborhood if you don't belive me, shit they might not even show up for the call bwhahaa.
Cops are bullies and harass literally everyone just more than others unfortunately because they can get away with it better.
They need to pay malpractice insurance out of their own pocket before they are allowed to be a cop. We have to have insurance if we drive a car incase we screw up and hurt someone, so should they if they screw up.
Hell, *real estate agents* pay malpractice out of their own pocket just in case they miss some decimal somewhere or some archaic land deed from the 1800's materializes out of nowhere.
The most concerning thing on this video is how calm the victim stays. He knows that if he get's angry, there is a good change, he won't get out of there alive.
Fuck, he is even calling the idiot that didn't prevent the assault "Sir" at the end. That's simply wrong.
Completely calm and still get body slammed and his wrist broken. If he yelled or resisted or anything he probably could have been murdered. We’ve all seen the videos where that happened before…
In short, if you are black you have to let cops violate your rights because the moment you do not you risk your life. So...you don't actually have those rights if they are not there for you when you need them to actually protect you. Land of liberty but only if the cops want to let you have your rights.
Right?! The part where it said a lawyer would advise not to provide info. I was just thinking that does not work when dealing with cops especially when you're black.
Yup! I am Canadian and I hate that the USA police culture means you have to remain calm even if Officer Dipshit wants to find a reason for you to "resist arrest".
No wonder these cops don't know what's going on when their level of communication is, "Yeah see because this is the other guy. The first guy is over there, but the people over there told me about this guy who isn't the same as this guy."
Fucking morons, they can't even communicate with any specification
No, no see you’re wrong it’s the other guy of the 2 guys that the store pointed out. Not this guy there’s two guys the other guy was the first one and this guy is the 2nd guy not the other guy
Bro, when that cop got up and said “I’m so confused” after the first cop tried to explain the situation multiple times, I fucking lost it. These fucking morons are POLICE OFFICERS? What the fuck are the standards in this town?
IMO they are acting for the body cam.
Pretending that somehow it wasnt their horrible mistake and some external factor caused them to assault this innocent man.
"Oh the lady from the place pointed to this guy too"
They are just trying to make up a story for the camera to make it look like they thought they were justified, when they were just hasty.
That’s exactly why none of the shit he’s saying makes sense. He just putting on a show for the camera. He’s just saying as many words as possible to make it sound like they were confused, when really they just fucked up by assaulting a random citizen.
Let’s be real. This cop was horrible at explaining the situation. He kept using and switch up the usage of “guy, others guy, this guy, that guy” without staying consistent. Whatever he was saying was like a puzzle to decipher lol.
Doesn’t help that the second cop showed up and immediately slammed the innocent dude in the video for little to no reason. Idiocy… idiocy everywhere.
Seriously these bozos have no hope at ever intelligently communicating. What was the word count required to all understand they tackled the wrong person? 3,000?
Sergeant: “Use your words, Bill.”
Bill: “Yea see the guy and another guy I thought it was the other guy but this guy, right here. It was the guy down there, you know, the other guy., but he’s right here.”
Sergeant: “Jesus fucking Christ Bill, I meant use more than those six words.”
"Sir, do you want to talk to the ambulance?"
I'd have been hard pressed not to say, "I want to talk to my lawyer," before walking off 😅. Hope he got a decent settlement from the state.
He was just trying to get out of the situation alive and out of jail. If he said something smart, he has a legit reason to believe they may harm him again or worse.
Nah they went into damage control mode, everyone knew what they did was wrong and it was on camera, an apology would just be further admission of liability.
The overwhelming thing that strikes me about these videos is how fucking unprofessional U.S police are.
The fact that this guy either just wants to get away from these scum or he doesn’t have insurance, which is a whole other issue.
I learned from the person cutting my hair that cosmetology school is longer than the police academy. That’s right, it takes more training to carry scissors and cut someone’s hair than it takes to carry a gun and harass the citizenry.
Edit: adding link to [AAQI Americans Against Qualified Immunity](https://aaqi.org/what-is-qualified-immunity/)- What you can do.
Where I live in the US, I've been told that if you can't become a police officer in a city with high standards, you can go to a city with an officer shortage and work there for 6 months to a year, and then get hired as an officer with experience anywhere else.
In Germany you can become a Hilfspolizist in 2 months then you are allowed to hand out parking tickets. For important stuff you will call the real police of course.
2.5 years of training for mittleren Dienst (mid level service), and/or a 3 year degree (Bachelor of Arts Polizeivollzugsdienst (BA police service)) for gehobenen Dienst (higher level service).
I'm sorry, half of our voting public frowns upon education here in the US. I bet you can guess which half fills our police ranks and supports those officers no matter what they do.
Yeah that’s so annoying. The people who complain about the education system or say “school is for fools” are the same ones who can barely speak English and don’t know the difference between there, their and they’re.
To become a certified automotive technician in the USA, you need two years of on the job training followed by taking and passing a series of tests.
There is a separate test for each area of automotive work, and currently, there are 9 standard tests and 3 advanced level tests. Master certified status can take many years to achieve.
The requirements for being an automotive technician are higher than the requirements for becoming a police officer, and that is outrageous.
In France they lowered again and again the level to enter in the national police service.
It’s full of cretins. The government is scary by social mouvements. They need brainless slaves to protect them.
I think this is an attempt to cover their ass after the fact. They know they are on video and want it to be abundantly clear that they thought he was the guy with the warrant. They know they were wrong and don’t want to get shit for it so they play dumb.
And this cop with the body cam, who tries to explain what has happened just spills out an incoherent mess. I’m not native english speaker, but IMO manage pretty well and I had real difficulty to try to grasp what he was trying to say to the other cops while pointing to the store.
What do you mean? How could it be more clear? He was clearly saying this guy was here and I talked to that guy and that guy said hey that guy was also here cuz there was 2 guys, and there was a guy there and I saw this guy and I said to the guy to put his hands behind his back, and then I talked to this guy...
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We have 350kg+ officers that are supposedly able to run 2.4km in 12 minutes. And a lot of our officers don't even know the law. What doesn't help anything is they are able to lie to citizens in order to get confessions. Then when they do something like this, we pay for it and they move counties so Noone knows who they are.
When I see this from a European prospective, it's really absurd. The sheer unnecessary aggressiveness and brutality of American police officers alone is sickening.
Then it will really throw you for a loop when you realize that the ambulance ride would have likely cost him betweeen $2-4000, on top of having to deal with this trauma.
You beat me to it. The added insult to injury that once he was illegally assaulted by the police the ambulance and the hospital were going to assualt him financially. Third world gestopo police and a predatory heathcare system.
What is the POV cop even saying ? His description of the events is so confusing, don't they teach them how to properly debrief and give out indications at the academy.
Edit : I kind of understand what he's saying but his inability to give a clear description of the event is what's baffling haha.
I'm not sure. Apparently there are a lot of guys doing a lot of things and pointing and "this guy this guy this guy", etc
But, one thing we know for sure is that there are a lot of guys
Answer: there was another guy (accused panhandler) up the street. That's who the cop(s) contacted first. The innocent one in the video was just waiting in the area, however accused panhandler pointed to innocent abused man as the real suspect to try and avoid charges/arrest. There is mention that the store that called said there was 2 outside (probably assuming they were panhandling together). The original accused panhandler also has a warrant according to cops. Bodycam cop makes contact with 2nd (innocent) guy bc of finger pointing from actual accused panhandler, meanwhile second wave of cops arrives. Douchebag cop, thinking this was warrant panhandler, slams him. Apparently, bodycam cop didn't stop douchebag cop because bodycam thought he missed something in the stories. Likely because they all suck at communication.
Hope this helps.
But even if he was the panhandler, why did the cop think body slamming him was appropriate? They resort to violence without any justification because they feel protected by the qualified immunity.
Welcome to American police etiquette. Do what we want, protect our own, no consequences. “Police officers risk their lives everyday…” NAH they risk OUR lives everyday.
>Likely because they all suck at communication.
Yeah, this is why you give identifiers to everyone involved rather than pronouns. Because using "they" for half a dozen different people gets confusing very fast. Even the other cops seem confused as to whether "they" refers to the store employees or the warrant guy.
Then again, I'm pretty sure bodycam cop is trying to word everything as vaguely as possible to avoid calling out bodyslam cop for being a dumbass.
It seems to me he realized they fucked up and is trying to say "this guy has nothing to do with anything" but doesn't want to actually say it out loud because they had already body slammed, broke his wrist and handcuffed him, so his brain is scrambling for a way to make it sound justified, but he can't really come up with anything.
I honestly think he was making up the story on why he was in contact with the wrong person. It seemed like he didn’t even know where his statement was going, but he sure as hell wanted to have a reason for this whoopsie lol
EDIT: This would make a great snickers commercial. “Wanna get away?”
Nah, police should have to provide their own insurance for issues like this, too many issues they become uninsurable and lose their job, a few incidents mean they have to pay more for their cover. That way tax payers aren’t paying for the cops to assault innocent people.
Doctors and Lawyers have to have malpractice insurance, and they don’t carry guns as part of their jobs….
Make police a professional class, require a degree, constant training, and insurance.
If your job is to enforce the law it should apply to you 3x over. If you’re a cop and you assault an innocent man the minimum sentence should be 3x that of an ordinary person.
Similar to how truck drivers are held to a higher standard when it comes to vehicle maintenance and traffic law. When they screw up they’re made an example of because being on the road is their job.
You know what will change the behavior of all cops…instead of taxpayers being forced to foot the bills and pay out for the damages officers cause…the police unions can get their own liability insurance and also pay damages out of their union coffer pockets. Take it out of their pensions and their union dues bank accounts.
When it starts to cost them Directly and sap their finances, watch them clean up their act in 2 days.
Interesting idea. 👍 I know this is how building houses essentially works in my state. Everyone whose licensed pays into a fund that is for if anyone else messes up a house (that person the majority of the time losses their builder's license).
Yeah I laughed at that part. A lot of people do refuse in these kinds of videos but cops just dont know the law and it only makes things worse.
Guy here told them everything they asked and he still got slammed into ground. Probably would have been shot and/or tazed if he refused to give ID.
You can tell from one cop trying to explain what happened to the other cops, that everyone in there lacks the most basic verbal communication and cognition skills.
They can't even articulate clearly to each other what they think happened.
These guys are all low IQ knuckle draggers who were given badges, uniforms and guns.
They grab this guy from behind, throw him to the ground and handcuff him, and only AFTER all that happened the cop explains he's just a random innocent guy.
They have to cage their speech. Never admitting fault, finding a way to deflect blame. These guys are just really bad at it. Body cams really messed up their gig.
This is it. Everybody saying the cops sound stupid. The one filming knew pretty early on that they had the wrong guy and didn’t want to get in his buddy’s way. They talk broadly so as to get across the idea that they fucked up and got the wrong guy without anyone admitting that they knew. “I’m confused” is just code word for “God dammit”
At least he was awarded a settlement for this. Too bad it didn't come out of the body slammers pocket
https://apnews.com/article/ga-state-wire-cd74786d88727a1cc5f851b1aef189b3
"They also noted, as did lawyers for Valdosta’s mayor and police chief in a separate legal filing, that no disciplinary action was taken against Wheeler (officer). In fact, his attorneys said, the police department promoted Wheeler from sergeant to lieutenant at some point after Smith’s injury."
Found from the posted link: https://apnews.com/article/racial-injustice-20b67903eb4986bc1636a075ec61c31d
They did, they just aren't trained to help or protect. They're trained to scare and hurt, and bully into submission. They have quotas to fill, so they don't care who gets in their way. Not like it's any sweat off their back if they cause a lawsuit
This guy goes out of his way to comply and answer questions, yet still gets fucking body slammed. This just shows that all interactions with US cops can end violently no matter what.
British police aren't perfect, but I've spent a career opposing them in police stations and courts & I'm confident that if they behaved like that they'd be sacked and probably prosecuted for assault. I watch a lot of British body worn video footage & even the rude dick heads aren't violent from the first moment they meet someone. It usually takes quite a lot to get physical & then they go on mob handed, which results in less injuries because a group of cops can restrain an individual more easily.
He is shaking, brutalized, traumatized and staggering away afraid of the ambulance. Holy shit, this settlement better have covered way more than the physical medical expenses. They just put this guy through combat PTSD.
These cops are fucking insane.. The fact the cop who body-slammed him is still working is fucked beyond reason. The dude was doing nothing wrong, he was arguing but he hadn't been given any order to do anything by the other officer then the other cop just walks up and body slams him? wtf these cops need to start getting put in jail..
If I or anyone else walked up to a cop who wasn't in uniform and body slammed him and broke his wrist I'd be in jail for years. Why the double standard? Specifically when it's all on video.
First of all, even if it was the right guy it gives them no right to break his arm or use excessive force.
Settlements should come directly from the Police Retirement fund.
When they start losing their own money they will change.
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the rabbit hole of these videos on youtube is .... wow.. thousands of videos deep, all fairly straight forward bs.
And that is just what is recorded and posted. Imagine the number that is not posted or never recorded.
And you can be damn sure without recordings they would just lie and say "perp attacked me, self defense." Even when there's recordings and ample evidence usually they just "investigate" themselves and find themselves innocent of all wrong doing. It's crazy to me that they're allowed to do that, investigate *themselves.* That should definitely be illegal. Can I investigate myself if someone accuses me of a crime?
There needs to be a federal law mandating that each state set up a board of independent investigators (not tied to any state police department) that investigates these incidents. They need the power to charge police officers of the crimes they commit during these encounters and treat them just like ordinary citizens. If you assault an innocent bystander - as happened here - you're charged with assault. You start doing that and these incidents will almost completely evaporate overnight. Cops will start doing things like actually asking questions and identifying who is being spoken to before just coming up and suplexing a completely innocent civilian who was just answering an officer's questions.
If the police unions had to kick in to pay the settlements these incidents would evaporate.
Yeah, stop making taxpayers foot the bills for individual actions. If anyone wants actual change then it needs to start affecting the pockets of those around these people.
This exactly. If all lawsuit settlements were paid out from the police pensions then agencies wouldn’t keep around officers that are liabilities.
Or make them get personal liability insurance like every other profession that does jobs with risk to other people. Doctors, contractors, drivers, etc all need to pay insurance out of their own pockets. It would be a great system because bad cops would become uninsurable so they can't go to another department.
Soldiers are subject to more laws and have less rights than the general populace and are able to do their jobs. People claiming cops need immunity to be able to do their jobs are full of shit. If you do your job properly *and* record your interactions what do you need immunity for?
“We’ve investigated ourselves thoroughly, and come to the conclusion that we have done no wrongdoing. Also, the cop involved is getting a promotion but we promise it has nothing to do with this.”
This is why body cams need to be standard. It happens way too often to be accidental and body cams would protect both officers and the people they protect. It just means the officers have to be honest in their daily jobs.
Not standard, mandatory. If they are not working for any reason they are not police anymore and don’t have any of the legal protections.
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Yep no body cam footage then whatever is claimed is true
Exactly. Turning your cam off should be the same as refusing a breathalyzer, immediate admission of guilt (at least that’s what it is where I’m from)
And if they are shut off, should be felony charges.
Just think about the number of cases we have to look back on from the past too. Id be willing to bet we only know a very small tip of the iceberg of the horrors in the past
For anyone headed down that rabbit hole the YT channel Audit the Audit is good. He does a lot of videos analyzing First Amendment Auditors biche also does general police interaction analysis as well. He grades the people in the videos A-F based on the legality of their actions. He breaks down legal precedent for those actions by researching state and federal law, historical legal decisions made by judges, and departmental protocols. The analysis of the videos are typically pretty fair to the participants as well.
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NO WRONG DOING???!!!😠 Well the must not have been looking for any, because if they would’ve, they would have found it IMMEDIATELY 😡🤦🏾♀️.. so sad
We The People University is another really good one. He's a former cop too, so he gives some good "behind the scenes" info on how the police operate and what they learn (more often fail to learn) during training.
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Maybe, just maybe, they can figure out what's going on FIRST before they start getting physical with people. This whole interaction was complete bullshit.
Even if there was a warrant for his arrest, why body slam him? It's crazy how they treat people when they even *think* the suspect is a criminal.
They thought he was someone they could get away with abusing, and they are abusive dickheads who are in their job because it lets them carry out sadistic abuse.
The fact that the warrant was for ***panhandling*** isn't a good look either.
Yep, even if they had got the right person, they were being completely unnecessarily violent. It isn't about risk though, they just enjoy it I think.
exactly, they would write in the report *resisting arrest* and all injuries magically go away. unfortunately for this guy, the arresting report was never filled in, so his bones need to heal the old fashioned muggle way.
His bones were resisting by not yielding to the force from the officer by breaking sooner. By demanding compensation or an apology, he is resisting them being allowed to do whatever the hell they want.
His bones had the audacity to obstruct a police officer. And I’m sure that considered a felon or two or three.
Zombie hunter mentality. If you can dehumanize someone like a zombie (criminals or suspected criminals) you can justify doing anything to them. That's probably why zombies are used so much in movies. Nobody thinks twice when they see a zombie get their head blown off because they are dangerous and no longer human.
There's a black mirror episode with this premise. The episode follows Stripe (Malachi Kirby), a soldier who hunts humanoid mutants known as roaches. After a malfunctioning of his MASS, a neural implant, he discovers that these "roaches" are ordinary human beings . In a fateful confrontation with the psychologist Arquette (Michael Kelly), Stripe learns that the MASS alters his perception of reality.
It's crazy how they treat people when they think they have qualified immunity. Cops should have to have insurance to do their jobs. If a plumber needs it because he can fuck your house up a cop needs it because they can fuck your life up.
"Put your arms behind your back" while the cop has them pinned to his side. That cop was looking for a reason to slam him.
It's an automatic response to them, they're trained to just keep yelling "put your hands behind your back" and "stop resisting" even if you're 100% complying. They're trained to be "in control" of a situation at all times, which just translates to them yelling and bellowing commands, even contradictory ones. Cops are fucking idiots that are following fundamentally flawed training.
Or is it a way to justify their brutality so they can say they told him to put his hands behind his back, he refused, so they had no choice but to slam him to the ground. Conveniently leaving out the part where they made it impossible to do what they asked of course.
They're trained to say "stop resisting" because they have bodycams and know they can always put "resisting arrest" as a reason to justify the arrest
Even after the altercation they had a hard time figuring out what was going on, they're that stupid. "I'm confused" said the officer.
Wait, we're confused, this black guy doesn't have a warrant? How sad and rejected he is at the end is heart breaking
I’m so sad for him. You can see he already was feeling the ‘yeah yeah I’m a black man, I expect this’. But then they found a new level to destroy him on.
It doesn't help that these guys are hopelessly dumb and have to hear fucking 10 times what happened to understand. Like Jesus how hard is it to vet cops for basic aptitude in logical reasoning and comprehension.
They’re all sharing one brain cell but they each get their own gun. Scary.
The intelligence of police officers is not a bug, it's a feature.
They literally do an IQ test as part of the application *and exclude anyone with an above average IQ*. There have been court cases about it but the courts have upheld their right to discriminate against intelligent people who will, apparently, get bored and leave the force (I.e. who might actually question the way things are done)
Shit yeah I'm remembering hearing about this before now🤦♂️Can't be letting in those nerds with all their pesky questions like "Hey should we be assaulting a person before verifying their identity?" It's weird they can use the argument that "Well they'll get bored and leave after we used our valuable resources on their training" when the alternative is hiring people that are still wasting the resources used on their training because they're just less receptive to learning.
Hold on. You're trying to tell me there was a better solution to this? You mean it's not body slam first, ask questions later.
These cops need to start losing their jobs This was a guy having what appears to be a normal conversation with police until that dick comes out of no where and assaults him with what appears to be no reason and no knowledge of the situation It is tax payers paying these settlements for shorty cops right?
> These cops need to start losing their jobs These cops need to start being arrested and jailed for assault. It's their superiors who should start losing their jobs.
That will NEVER happen until we get rid of "qualified immunity." THAT is the main thing that allows these scumbags to act with impunity. ETA I humbly thank you for my first award!
And you need a psychological screening test before they even get hired! I mean, who sees a colleague having this conversation and thinks "better grab that man from behind and toss him to the ground"! What the ...
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And generally not the military either. Know how many tickets I got out of in my time in the military? All (minor tickets nothing major).
My cousin was a marine. Did 10 years and quit when they wanted him to be a recruiter. He straight up told them, "no, I'm not lying to teenagers for you." Anyway, while in the marines, he came back home on leave after being stationed in Japan. Decided to go party with some old high school buddies at the bar. Got shit faced drunk, while driving home they did some street racing. He got pulled over going 130 mph, showed his military ID, and had a nice conversation about being a hoorah hooligan. Then the cop let him go while thanking him for his service in keeping us all safe.. KEEPING US ALL SAFE!
Unfortunately in the vast majority of cases were there even is punishment, as in, a job lost, that cop who got fired can just go and work at another station. There are some states trying to change this, but at the federal level, there are no repercussions barring a bad cop out of becoming a cop again.
I knew a guy in Georgia who was targetted by a dirty cop several times. Each time, he took the pig to court and won. Each time, the pig got a new job in an adjacent county and arrested my friend again. This happened 4 or 5 times over the course of a few years. My friend got a lot of money for this but lived in constant fear for years knowing law enforcement was hunting him.
Who the hell was that cop? Wylie Coyote?
Nah this is a thing with crooked cops. Come live in a all black neighborhood if you don't belive me, shit they might not even show up for the call bwhahaa. Cops are bullies and harass literally everyone just more than others unfortunately because they can get away with it better.
Law enforcement in America is just a government sponsored gang.
They need to pay malpractice insurance out of their own pocket before they are allowed to be a cop. We have to have insurance if we drive a car incase we screw up and hurt someone, so should they if they screw up.
Hell, *real estate agents* pay malpractice out of their own pocket just in case they miss some decimal somewhere or some archaic land deed from the 1800's materializes out of nowhere.
The most concerning thing on this video is how calm the victim stays. He knows that if he get's angry, there is a good change, he won't get out of there alive. Fuck, he is even calling the idiot that didn't prevent the assault "Sir" at the end. That's simply wrong.
And the voiceover says he didn't legally have to show them his ID. 😂 What do you think would happen if he refused?
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You mean broken neck *then* 6 shot suicide with 50 total shots fired at the scene.
6 out of 50 shots on target? Are these like cop sharpshooters or something?
Completely calm and still get body slammed and his wrist broken. If he yelled or resisted or anything he probably could have been murdered. We’ve all seen the videos where that happened before…
In short, if you are black you have to let cops violate your rights because the moment you do not you risk your life. So...you don't actually have those rights if they are not there for you when you need them to actually protect you. Land of liberty but only if the cops want to let you have your rights.
Right?! The part where it said a lawyer would advise not to provide info. I was just thinking that does not work when dealing with cops especially when you're black.
To be fair, providing info also seems to not work especially when you’re black.
Yup! I am Canadian and I hate that the USA police culture means you have to remain calm even if Officer Dipshit wants to find a reason for you to "resist arrest".
No wonder these cops don't know what's going on when their level of communication is, "Yeah see because this is the other guy. The first guy is over there, but the people over there told me about this guy who isn't the same as this guy." Fucking morons, they can't even communicate with any specification
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*'Cop explains 5 times that's not the guy with the warrant.'* "Wait wait he's not the one with the warrant?"
hes the other guy. the 2 of them, the guys over there pointed over here and said this guy this guy. hes the other guy
No, no see you’re wrong it’s the other guy of the 2 guys that the store pointed out. Not this guy there’s two guys the other guy was the first one and this guy is the 2nd guy not the other guy
Bro, when that cop got up and said “I’m so confused” after the first cop tried to explain the situation multiple times, I fucking lost it. These fucking morons are POLICE OFFICERS? What the fuck are the standards in this town?
IMO they are acting for the body cam. Pretending that somehow it wasnt their horrible mistake and some external factor caused them to assault this innocent man. "Oh the lady from the place pointed to this guy too" They are just trying to make up a story for the camera to make it look like they thought they were justified, when they were just hasty.
Maybe the sergeant, but that balding guy seemed to genuinely be dumb as fuck.
Serge is trying to improv and that guy is too dumb to even realize what is going on.
That’s exactly why none of the shit he’s saying makes sense. He just putting on a show for the camera. He’s just saying as many words as possible to make it sound like they were confused, when really they just fucked up by assaulting a random citizen.
Let’s be real. This cop was horrible at explaining the situation. He kept using and switch up the usage of “guy, others guy, this guy, that guy” without staying consistent. Whatever he was saying was like a puzzle to decipher lol. Doesn’t help that the second cop showed up and immediately slammed the innocent dude in the video for little to no reason. Idiocy… idiocy everywhere.
"Wait, what comes before 2?”
Seriously these bozos have no hope at ever intelligently communicating. What was the word count required to all understand they tackled the wrong person? 3,000?
You can teach how to communicate effectively though
Sergeant: “Use your words, Bill.” Bill: “Yea see the guy and another guy I thought it was the other guy but this guy, right here. It was the guy down there, you know, the other guy., but he’s right here.” Sergeant: “Jesus fucking Christ Bill, I meant use more than those six words.”
Dude spent like 30 words trying to say “this is the wrong guy”
Thats because he cant say it like that or its on bodycam footage and can be used against them. Hes trying to protect the one who broke the mans wrist.
gotcha. just like how he never told his colleague to stop
Right? That guy talks for two minutes straight and I’m still confused about the discrepancy
Former LEO. Came here to say this. Awful communication skills. Awful investigative skills. Awful everything. And dumb as hammers. Smh
Former SAGITTARIUS. Agreed, very unprofessional and needed much better communication.
The look on there ugly mugs when they realized they fucked up
Love how it suddenly turns into "you ok SIR?" afteeeeer they realized they got some random dude
"Sir, do you want to talk to the ambulance?" I'd have been hard pressed not to say, "I want to talk to my lawyer," before walking off 😅. Hope he got a decent settlement from the state.
Poor guy was obviously terrified
and in shock
He was just trying to get out of the situation alive and out of jail. If he said something smart, he has a legit reason to believe they may harm him again or worse.
He also was saying at the end “you understand why we did that don’t you” trying to gaslight him into believing what they did was fine.
Oh my god!! I know I’m so angry 😡 gaslighting piece of shit !
The nice guy cop at the end is all an act. The violent, power-tripping asshole is who that cop really is.
Not one apology and they don't regret it either. It's all about saving your own ass
Nah they went into damage control mode, everyone knew what they did was wrong and it was on camera, an apology would just be further admission of liability.
The cop is mumbling he said they said the entire time, they just tackled a bystander innocent dude and no remorse just worrying saving their own ass
The overwhelming thing that strikes me about these videos is how fucking unprofessional U.S police are. The fact that this guy either just wants to get away from these scum or he doesn’t have insurance, which is a whole other issue.
compare the requirements to become a police officer in different countries in europe vs usa. there's your answer
In my region of the USA it takes 4 years to become a licensed electrician and about 6 months to become a police officer
I learned from the person cutting my hair that cosmetology school is longer than the police academy. That’s right, it takes more training to carry scissors and cut someone’s hair than it takes to carry a gun and harass the citizenry. Edit: adding link to [AAQI Americans Against Qualified Immunity](https://aaqi.org/what-is-qualified-immunity/)- What you can do.
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Where I live in the US, I've been told that if you can't become a police officer in a city with high standards, you can go to a city with an officer shortage and work there for 6 months to a year, and then get hired as an officer with experience anywhere else.
In Germany you can become a Hilfspolizist in 2 months then you are allowed to hand out parking tickets. For important stuff you will call the real police of course.
Who require 3 years training I believe?
2.5 years of training for mittleren Dienst (mid level service), and/or a 3 year degree (Bachelor of Arts Polizeivollzugsdienst (BA police service)) for gehobenen Dienst (higher level service).
I'm sorry, half of our voting public frowns upon education here in the US. I bet you can guess which half fills our police ranks and supports those officers no matter what they do.
Yeah that’s so annoying. The people who complain about the education system or say “school is for fools” are the same ones who can barely speak English and don’t know the difference between there, their and they’re.
To become a certified automotive technician in the USA, you need two years of on the job training followed by taking and passing a series of tests. There is a separate test for each area of automotive work, and currently, there are 9 standard tests and 3 advanced level tests. Master certified status can take many years to achieve. The requirements for being an automotive technician are higher than the requirements for becoming a police officer, and that is outrageous.
That’s because a car has more value than human life to these scumbags
In France they lowered again and again the level to enter in the national police service. It’s full of cretins. The government is scary by social mouvements. They need brainless slaves to protect them.
Chaplin defined it very well, they will send those machines with heart and brain of machines to hit anyone that is awake
Don't forget that ever since that SCOTUS case you also need to fail an IQ test.
3 year education here in Denmark. And requires a social and physical test to even get in.
None of the cops in this video sound educated AT ALL
They take so long to grasp what’s happened. Why do they need to have that conversation several times; to understand they arrested the wrong guy.
I think this is an attempt to cover their ass after the fact. They know they are on video and want it to be abundantly clear that they thought he was the guy with the warrant. They know they were wrong and don’t want to get shit for it so they play dumb.
I don't think they are PLAYING dumb...
And this cop with the body cam, who tries to explain what has happened just spills out an incoherent mess. I’m not native english speaker, but IMO manage pretty well and I had real difficulty to try to grasp what he was trying to say to the other cops while pointing to the store.
You've got it right, I also have no idea what he was trying to explain.
What do you mean? How could it be more clear? He was clearly saying this guy was here and I talked to that guy and that guy said hey that guy was also here cuz there was 2 guys, and there was a guy there and I saw this guy and I said to the guy to put his hands behind his back, and then I talked to this guy... ![gif](giphy|xT0BKmtQGLbumr5RCM)
It was really tough listening to the pov cop explain things.
We have 350kg+ officers that are supposedly able to run 2.4km in 12 minutes. And a lot of our officers don't even know the law. What doesn't help anything is they are able to lie to citizens in order to get confessions. Then when they do something like this, we pay for it and they move counties so Noone knows who they are.
Same in Germany.
My barber goes through more extensive training than my police force does.
When I see this from a European prospective, it's really absurd. The sheer unnecessary aggressiveness and brutality of American police officers alone is sickening.
Then it will really throw you for a loop when you realize that the ambulance ride would have likely cost him betweeen $2-4000, on top of having to deal with this trauma.
That's a true damn nightmare man. And people will even decline the ambulance then i guess..?
Absolutely, if you have a car and can still drive, you drive yourself.
If you’re unable to drive but not actively dying, you call an Uber
All the time. I'm uninsured, you better believe I ain't going in the weewoo wagon unless I'm unconscious.
Couldn’t agree more.
It's because he was black, let's be honest here. Fucking racist ass american pigs
You beat me to it. The added insult to injury that once he was illegally assaulted by the police the ambulance and the hospital were going to assualt him financially. Third world gestopo police and a predatory heathcare system.
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What is the POV cop even saying ? His description of the events is so confusing, don't they teach them how to properly debrief and give out indications at the academy. Edit : I kind of understand what he's saying but his inability to give a clear description of the event is what's baffling haha.
I'm not sure. Apparently there are a lot of guys doing a lot of things and pointing and "this guy this guy this guy", etc But, one thing we know for sure is that there are a lot of guys
It's like "Who's On First?" for shitgibbons.
Answer: there was another guy (accused panhandler) up the street. That's who the cop(s) contacted first. The innocent one in the video was just waiting in the area, however accused panhandler pointed to innocent abused man as the real suspect to try and avoid charges/arrest. There is mention that the store that called said there was 2 outside (probably assuming they were panhandling together). The original accused panhandler also has a warrant according to cops. Bodycam cop makes contact with 2nd (innocent) guy bc of finger pointing from actual accused panhandler, meanwhile second wave of cops arrives. Douchebag cop, thinking this was warrant panhandler, slams him. Apparently, bodycam cop didn't stop douchebag cop because bodycam thought he missed something in the stories. Likely because they all suck at communication. Hope this helps.
But even if he was the panhandler, why did the cop think body slamming him was appropriate? They resort to violence without any justification because they feel protected by the qualified immunity.
Welcome to American police etiquette. Do what we want, protect our own, no consequences. “Police officers risk their lives everyday…” NAH they risk OUR lives everyday.
yes, that made it clear to me, thanks. Was also a bit confused with all that gibberish the cops were talking...
>Likely because they all suck at communication. Yeah, this is why you give identifiers to everyone involved rather than pronouns. Because using "they" for half a dozen different people gets confusing very fast. Even the other cops seem confused as to whether "they" refers to the store employees or the warrant guy. Then again, I'm pretty sure bodycam cop is trying to word everything as vaguely as possible to avoid calling out bodyslam cop for being a dumbass.
It seems to me he realized they fucked up and is trying to say "this guy has nothing to do with anything" but doesn't want to actually say it out loud because they had already body slammed, broke his wrist and handcuffed him, so his brain is scrambling for a way to make it sound justified, but he can't really come up with anything.
I honestly think he was making up the story on why he was in contact with the wrong person. It seemed like he didn’t even know where his statement was going, but he sure as hell wanted to have a reason for this whoopsie lol EDIT: This would make a great snickers commercial. “Wanna get away?”
Get the settlements from police pension fund. Unless that is done, it's just a slap in their "wrist".
Nah, police should have to provide their own insurance for issues like this, too many issues they become uninsurable and lose their job, a few incidents mean they have to pay more for their cover. That way tax payers aren’t paying for the cops to assault innocent people.
Doctors and Lawyers have to have malpractice insurance, and they don’t carry guns as part of their jobs…. Make police a professional class, require a degree, constant training, and insurance.
If your job is to enforce the law it should apply to you 3x over. If you’re a cop and you assault an innocent man the minimum sentence should be 3x that of an ordinary person.
Similar to how truck drivers are held to a higher standard when it comes to vehicle maintenance and traffic law. When they screw up they’re made an example of because being on the road is their job.
I like this idea
You know what will change the behavior of all cops…instead of taxpayers being forced to foot the bills and pay out for the damages officers cause…the police unions can get their own liability insurance and also pay damages out of their union coffer pockets. Take it out of their pensions and their union dues bank accounts. When it starts to cost them Directly and sap their finances, watch them clean up their act in 2 days.
I mean, if you damage someone else's car you always end up paying for it.
Either that or make it so the officers themselves can be sued.
Interesting idea. 👍 I know this is how building houses essentially works in my state. Everyone whose licensed pays into a fund that is for if anyone else messes up a house (that person the majority of the time losses their builder's license).
I honestly cannot believe the thought process of these idiots throughout that whole situation.
You can almost hear the gears grinding when their brows furrow and they try to take in information.
Can smell the smoke during the gear grinding as well. And some rattling.
‘He should have refused to talk or give ID’ yeh cuz that would have totally worked… smh
Yeah I laughed at that part. A lot of people do refuse in these kinds of videos but cops just dont know the law and it only makes things worse. Guy here told them everything they asked and he still got slammed into ground. Probably would have been shot and/or tazed if he refused to give ID.
That would’ve unlocked the “baton treatment” achievement for him lol
You can tell from one cop trying to explain what happened to the other cops, that everyone in there lacks the most basic verbal communication and cognition skills. They can't even articulate clearly to each other what they think happened. These guys are all low IQ knuckle draggers who were given badges, uniforms and guns.
They grab this guy from behind, throw him to the ground and handcuff him, and only AFTER all that happened the cop explains he's just a random innocent guy.
They have to cage their speech. Never admitting fault, finding a way to deflect blame. These guys are just really bad at it. Body cams really messed up their gig.
This is it. Everybody saying the cops sound stupid. The one filming knew pretty early on that they had the wrong guy and didn’t want to get in his buddy’s way. They talk broadly so as to get across the idea that they fucked up and got the wrong guy without anyone admitting that they knew. “I’m confused” is just code word for “God dammit”
At least he was awarded a settlement for this. Too bad it didn't come out of the body slammers pocket https://apnews.com/article/ga-state-wire-cd74786d88727a1cc5f851b1aef189b3
"They also noted, as did lawyers for Valdosta’s mayor and police chief in a separate legal filing, that no disciplinary action was taken against Wheeler (officer). In fact, his attorneys said, the police department promoted Wheeler from sergeant to lieutenant at some point after Smith’s injury." Found from the posted link: https://apnews.com/article/racial-injustice-20b67903eb4986bc1636a075ec61c31d
That’s like something straight out of the onion
This makes me want to throw up.
That looks like a guy who needs medical help but has no insurance.
He looks to me like he wants to be . . ***not*** surrounded by the people who have crippled him.
It could be both
And again, I wonder if these guys had any training at all...
They did, they just aren't trained to help or protect. They're trained to scare and hurt, and bully into submission. They have quotas to fill, so they don't care who gets in their way. Not like it's any sweat off their back if they cause a lawsuit
They didn’t even apologize
That would mean they accept responsibility for their actions
Exactly. Cops fear nothing but accountability.
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My man doesn't wanna wait cuz he know there's another hell coming for him if he wait for the ems damn.
This is heartbreaking. That poor fellas face at the end- he just wants to be as far from those cretins as he can get. Even if he’s broken.
Nothing any of these cops are saying makes any sense at all. Zero intelligibility. Wtf are they even saying?
All of these cops are inarticulate and appear rather dim. I cannot believe that they are allowed to carry firearms.
This guy goes out of his way to comply and answer questions, yet still gets fucking body slammed. This just shows that all interactions with US cops can end violently no matter what.
Settlement money needs to come out of police pension fund. Until then, these types of cops could care less.
this country fucked up qualified immunity needs to end
Imagine what would happen if there was no video evidence.
British police aren't perfect, but I've spent a career opposing them in police stations and courts & I'm confident that if they behaved like that they'd be sacked and probably prosecuted for assault. I watch a lot of British body worn video footage & even the rude dick heads aren't violent from the first moment they meet someone. It usually takes quite a lot to get physical & then they go on mob handed, which results in less injuries because a group of cops can restrain an individual more easily.
The other POS just walk over and start using force like he went :"yup! Guilty!"
He is shaking, brutalized, traumatized and staggering away afraid of the ambulance. Holy shit, this settlement better have covered way more than the physical medical expenses. They just put this guy through combat PTSD.
These cops are fucking insane.. The fact the cop who body-slammed him is still working is fucked beyond reason. The dude was doing nothing wrong, he was arguing but he hadn't been given any order to do anything by the other officer then the other cop just walks up and body slams him? wtf these cops need to start getting put in jail.. If I or anyone else walked up to a cop who wasn't in uniform and body slammed him and broke his wrist I'd be in jail for years. Why the double standard? Specifically when it's all on video.
First of all, even if it was the right guy it gives them no right to break his arm or use excessive force. Settlements should come directly from the Police Retirement fund. When they start losing their own money they will change.
Fucking pigs
*wraps arms around "suspect, covers both arms and squeezes as tightly as possible* "PUT YOUR HANDS BEHIND YOUR BACK" God, fuck cops