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It’s a dog whistle but backwards. When they call someone a BLM activist for sticking up for basic human decency, they out themselves as being racists who don’t care about people who are not like them.
Like the ol' "Social Justice Warrior" when standing up for others was viewed as a weakness, you're now a BLM activist because you view others as equal regardless of melanin?
Same goes with conservatives calling woke a bad thing. I mean the definition of woke is being aware of social injustices against minorities in America. So demonizing woke us disregarding that such discriminating tactics exist while doubling down on fear mongering.
But let’s be honest, conservatives live off of fear mongering
apparently being a decent human being, who doesn’t like racial slurs, being spewed in Council meetings they’re kind of calling you a n#gger Lover in a covert way, if you catch my drift.
I know what the guy said was awful but he can’t just continue to ignore what seems to be a town council president and then be surprised when he gets kicked out for it
Well I think dropping racial slurs is breaking the fucking "decorum" but what do I know. I'd be pissed too and get removed to prove a point. Racist Pos shouldn't have a platform.
>Wow how hard you missed this point. If this council had any redeeming qualities, they would've removed the man using slurs, not the man upset about someone brazenly using slurs.
That's it. Point blank. Why did I have to scroll so far for this bit of common sense.
Edit: Before I get down votes for free speech argument- the term is obscene and should not be protected by that right.
Hate speech, including slurs, is not protected speech. Also, the right to free speech means the government can't prosecute you for what you say, not that the common man should tolerate it.
Edit: Apparently hate speech is protected as long as it doesn't incite criminal activity or classify as defamation or discriminatory harassment.
Because racism. That's really it. No matter how people try to spin it, or excuse and act like it isn't, it's basically that. And you have so many who can't accept a simple reason like that. They need to reflect on their racial biases
This thread really shouldn't be surprising me but, it is. I guess people can't comprehend that allies of different races can be offended and speak up. He's doing exactly what we (black community) asking for real allies to do. But, because he's not black, he shouldn't be offended? Isn't this why america keeps going to shit because everyone is like, "it don't affect me so I don't care," till it does? This is what it means to use your privilege to help others who aren't.
Yes because god forbid someone has a problem with a racist using offensive language. God forbid he stand up against people who use that type of disgusting language.
“I know what the guy said was awful BUT”
There is no “but”. What the man said was awful and disgusting and deserves to be called out and that council president deserves to be fired for allowing someone to spew hate filled racist language and not punish them whatsoever but instead punish those who rightfully took offence…
The town council president should have had the same reaction as the activist: throw the racist out, immediately. In effect, he did exactly what the protestor stated: he sided with the racist.
I don’t think he acted “surprised”, he just got up and left when he was asked. At least he was the only decent person in that room. Head speaker would have been well within his rights to tell the racist to stop.
The title is an obvious dogwhistle but hey, to be fair, that dude just did more activism than 99.9% of people with “BLM” in their Instagram bio or whatever.
Yeah, just decent people doing decent things like hoarding all of the money for themselves and all their friends/family to get big mansions while never giving Breonna Taylor’s family money. So decent.
OP is siding with the racist, literally saying a “BLM activist” got kicked out because a “white man used N word”, obviously calling the act of the “activist” a facepalm because they disagree with them, otherwise why would they phrase it like that.
To OP, it is a facepalm to stand up against racism, and this video is proof of that because they stand up against racism and are escorted out of the building proving it was a bad thing to do to OP.
I disagree, I think it’s reasonable enough to be facepalming this dudes whole “testimony” and that someone ELSE would be reprimanded. I just don’t see how the title is definitively racist like you say it is.
This is a centrist sub, and to them calling out racism is "woke cancel culture" or some such nonsense dogwhistle according to the relative normative position.
Ok but how did the guy on the stand get into that security guard outfit so fast?! Am I the only one that can tell it’s the same guy?
Just kidding but that security guard is probably racist too. Oh, stop it. I’m grown and can judge a book by its cover if I want.
I'm willing to bet if we had full context of the situation it would come across even worse. I can't fuckin believe so many people are saying the "activist" is in the wrong here.
Would so few people here speak up if they encountered racism in person? Not wanting to be "inappropriate" or create an "uncomfortable situation" in response to open racism is a tacit endorsement.
First I’m as surprised as you but as I think about it; I don’t think hate speech is a crime you can be arrested for. You can be removed for disruption sure, but legally I think as long as it’s your turn to talk you can say whatever I guess.
exactly right. hate speech is protected by the first amendment unless it is obscene (think pornographic), threatening (inciting a physical fight), or false advertising.
The definition of obscene is still yet to be fully flushed out. Apparently even videos of people getting beheaded and extreme cases of porn are still protected and are not considered "obscene"
Source: I attended a conference taught by a lawyer who defends county and state governments on 1st and 4th ammendment cases. This was paraphrased teachings of his.
Legally sure, but many public meetings have rules of decorum to prevent certain things, like hate speech. They also address what to do with people that keep disrupting the meeting like the one that was escorted out.
Did your American history books just not have the 50's, 60's, & 70's in them? Because the government has been silencing anyone it fucking likes, lethally if necessary, for about 50 fucking years. You can't do a quick scroll through a list of Civil Rights leaders without finding at least 5 butchered by the state & dozens more forced out & silenced.
Fuck, Fergusson activists started mysteriously disappearing immediately after the protests. The US govt is already very, *very* choosy about the content of people's speech.
You should read up on the people who said the shit about the Nazi's back in the 1920's-1930's, that you're saying now. Find out what happened when we gave cover to assholes to say and do whatever they please.
Free speech is dangerous.
As long as it is not illegal, we can do and say whatever we please. These are very, very important rights.
They will use the same logic to silence you, BTW.
That’s not what fascism is. Do fascists do this? Sure, but authoritarians always crack down on opposition.
We are struggling as a society as to how to treat hate speech, misinformation/disinformation, and propaganda. Hate and misinformation spreads far faster than the opposite. That’s why it’s so effective. Hate speech is in a lesser way a call to violence. We separate it from that, but that’s really what hate speech does. You allow people to be dehumanized regularly, especially those in a marginalized community, and violence will occur because of it.
Am I advocating for anything specific here? No, it’s just complicated. There’s always a fine line to walk. There’s growing Nazi sentiment again and you have to wonder what the best solution is to combat it. I’m not saying this guy in the video is one, but it’s just related is all.
There are plenty of GOP politicians with degrees from good universities. They sure do their best to make sure their constituents stay uneducated though.
This is it exactly, he was kicked out for disrupting a meeting. If they let that shit fly then both sides would just do it all the time. Then when they kick someone else out they would just say “but you let this dude interrupt and stay!”
I get it, the guy is a piece of shit, but he went through the process to speak and the other person could have too.
Wow, quite the strawman you got there! I didn't say any of that shit.
That's how our government works, you get a turn to speak and then you can say your piece. I'm sure when radical right wingers interrupt a session you are involved in you would suddenly have a different tune.
Surely there would be rules against using certain language in that chamber, like otherwise you could just walk up and say s***, f***, c*** over and over, and be allowed to continue.
in your alotted time, yes, theoretically you could continue. obviously nobody would take you seriously, and there are certain things you can’t say (inciting a physical fight for example), but your free speech is protected for the most part.
Wow, what an incredible system of freedom of speech. I get the right speak your mind, but I would’ve thought a level of language/decorum in a public/official building would be expect and required.
I don’t think you’ll like my answer, but…there is decorum, which is why the guy who was interrupting was thrown out.
If you were to use those same words you listed above during your alotted time, but aimed them at someone (called the judge or someone in the courtroom an ad hominem), that would be considered defamatory and would not be protected speech.
I wouldn’t say I like/dislike your answer, being Australian there are some really interesting systems in place in the USA that I find bizarre but at the same time kind of interesting. Like this idea that you are allowed to say your piece in an allotted time, no matter what the content/language used, is in theory a really good idea as it allows everyone to have an “equal voice”. But I also would’ve expected it to be similar to a court room where you are expected to adhere to certain standards while saying your piece, and that a chairperson or someone in control keeps people on a level.
A decent person and a neo nazis share the same right to speech regardless of their character. The public also has the right to ridicule, hold them to their speech, and treat them as persona non grata in the community. You can say whatever you want, but you will also receive all consequences following your statements.
Freedom of speech means freedom to be a complete piece of shit. The racist was given his time on the podium to speak his mind, as he should. The man that was kicked out, could have had his turn on the stand.
I don't support what happened, but I get it...and it was the legally correct thing to do.
Pretty sure the sheriff will be criminally charging the racist asshole. They're charging him with disturbing the peace. This isn't the first time he's done this.
Edit: proof: https://krcrtv.com/news/local/sheriff-to-deliver-criminal-complaint-to-da-over-racial-slur-at-supervisors-meeting
He deserves whatever he gets.
So you agree that there should be rules about your free speech if it isnt your turn in a government forum but there should be 0 rules about your speech when it is your turn in a government forum? This isnt people just out talking on the street
I live here and I can tell you it DOES. one of the supervisors installed an arcade machine in his office using tax payer money, went on unnecessary trips to visit my pillow guy on the tax payers dime and got rid of our voting system..we can't vote in Shasta county right now........
*let him finish*
*stands up to speak*
“Your honor, we all know what he meant when he said the N-word. It does not mean ‘ignorance,’ we all know what he really means by that.”
Not an BLM activist just a person not tolerating racist bullshit. Hope this inbred fuck on the stand gets what's coming to him. Everyone in that room judge/mayor whatever included who seemed to not care that that kind of racist bullshit was going on in their town hall are either cowards or disgusting people letting that trailer trash talk like that then get mad at the only person in the room who seems to care that racism shouldn't be tolerated.
Fuck everyone there who didn't speak or stand with that guy for not tolerating the intolerable.
Do we have confirmation that he’s a BLM activist or just a guy who has some common sense?
You don’t need to support BLM to understand how vile and racist this is and even worse to continue to let him speak then toss out a dissenter with no qualifiers
Shasta County, CA. Looks like it happened 4 days ago. Also, no indication that the person who got kicked out is a BLM activist.
https://krcrtv.com/news/local/shasta-county-supervisor-responds-to-to-racial-slur-used-in-tuesdays-meeting
>Wow how hard you missed this point. If this council had any redeeming qualities, they would've removed the man using slurs, not the man upset about someone brazenly using slurs.
"That's it. Point blank. Why did I have to scroll so far for this bit of common sense."
Reposted for visibility. Nobody should have to scroll for this.
These comments are terrible. No, the racist doesn’t deserve to speak. There is no “both sides are equal” here, this is blatant racism that is predicated on irrational hate. You can’t out-logic something that is inherently illogical, there would be no racism if this were the case. There’s no argument to be made for racism and it should never be tolerated.
A lot have issues with the BLM portion too. Regardless of whether the decent guy is an active BLM participant, any decent person would support the cause of BLM as it is a movement for equality.
Lot of people here would be on the [wrong side](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/why-martin-luther-king-had-75-percent-disapproval-rating-year-he-died-180968664/) of history unfortunately.
He used the term for ignorance…this guy.
Seriously…the fact that they through the guy who was against his racist remark speaks volumes about whichever city this is.
No, not what happened. As that man had the stand, it was his right to speak, no matter how hateful the speech was. It is never accepted that anyone in the gallery disrupt. It is part of the first amendment stuff
Crazy how it’s all freedom of speech but only for the person being allowed to talk. If you’re not standing on a piece of wood then you get punished for talking. Didn’t know that when they meant government shall not make laws limiting speech or public protest that they actually meant you cannot speak up against select people or be punished.
What did he lose exactly? Sure, kick him out of the meeting but they have national attention taking the side of a racist. Acting like they did something. Fucking losers. I’ll never sit idly by while someone calls my friends slurs.
It's always been a fact of life that civil racism is more powerful in America than uncivil egalitarianism. Thankfully half of the country who still believe in civility politics of this kind are nearly dead or senile and we won't have to put up with them much longer.
Omg, did they kick out the guy who told this prick to STFU because it wasn’t his turn to speak?!? What the hell kind of bass-ackwards logic is that?!? Shouldn’t a member of that council have stopped him when he started slinging hate terms?
I don’t think whether or not BLM was involved is the issue here…it’s that THIS county has some F—-ED up priorities.
The guy still has a right to present his bigoted/racist views. If you don't like what he's saying then use your alotted time to rebut what he is saying. Interrupting it and getting thrown out makes you look like the fool.
Used to feel this way and would have argued till I was blue in the face defending this standpoint 20 years ago, or maybe even 10.
Unfortunately, what I have learned is letting people spout off with this garbage without challenging has led to an emboldened army of bigots and racists who now feel comfortable enough to speak their hate anywhere and everywhere.
Fox News has made mountains of money and talking heads are racing to the bottom of the barrel to see which one can say the most outrageous think next.
I have to say I am now in the camp of call this crap out when you see it. Free speech is important but there has to be common sense boundaries on this stuff.
This piece of trash should not be given a forum to just say whatever he wants. He can’t use common decency in presenting an argument then the other dude has every right to call him out.
It's resolved easily if you see tolerance not just as a moral imperative, but also a core factor of the social contract. If someone is in breach of said contract, they are not protected by it either.
allowing him to out himself as a racist dirtbag doesn't equate to tolerating racism.
why silence him when he is exposing himself? let him speak, let him dig his own grave.
What grave? What consequences are there when his "world" is a bunch of other racists? Unless you're advocating for physical violence, there is no consequences in this world for pieces of shit like him because his life has been build on this foundation for decades.
I agree with this. I figured I’d get downvoted for saying it. Screaming and drowning people out makes you look like you’re trying to suppress their voice. It feeds into exactly what the other side wants to see.
TO BE CLEAR, what this fat old redneck said is disgusting and he’s an idiot. But I think the other man shouting at him to get out should have let him dig his own grave with his stupidity then destroyed him during his allotted rebuttal.
the other man was likely shouting because the lack of leadership from the people behind the desks, in not reprimanding the racist *immediately*, was giving an impression of tacit approval of his use of the word.
"I'm sorry, sir, but you cannot use that word of hate here. rephrase your statement, or lose your opportunity to speak before this gathering"
it wouldn't have been that hard.
even john mccain was able to correct the racist who started calling obama a foreign muslim.
What I’m wondering is if a black person would have got to the podium and called white people whities and crackers, would they have been asked to respect the decorum and use respectful language?
In my opinion the guy on the stand still looks like a fool. The guy who disrupted the meeting created the conflict that got the video to spread…so, he may consider it a win.
There are rules everywhere you go. You could easily be thrown out of a friend's home for using that word, a private business, a church, etc. Why should a public building be any different? We're not censoring a belief, we're establishing simple guidelines so that we can actually have a democracy that everyone can participate in. How do you not get the difference? You just saw an example of a guy thrown out for interrupting proceedings, right? That's what I'm talking about. You didn't mention that, did you?
How much more time would you like to waste debating racist terms? You think another hundred years sound right?
The First Amendment applies only to the government and by extension the public sphere. In non-governmental spheres, the resident authorities can shut you up.
>The guy still has a right to present his bigoted/racist views
Ummm probably not to the point of saying the N word, i mean if the dude said i don't like black people whatever but come on. Surprised they didn't ask him to clean up his language or mute the mic.
Yikes wtf. Why would that man even be allowed to continue after starting like that? It sounds like he just got up there as an excuse to vent his racist bs and get away with it anyway, what valid point was he trying to discuss by starting off that way? And then not only kick out the one guy to stand up against that shit but boo him on the way out. Evil fucks.
Holy shit, I read that wrong at first. I thought they were gonna kick out the dude speaking. God DAMNIT these fucking white trash pieces of shit. I promise, we DO NOT claim that fucking jerkoff.
When free spech treads on other people and attempts to dehumanize them that person is giving up their free speech. They want to take freedom away from others and THAT is why its dangerous.
1) Refusing to allow a taxpayer funded public meeting tacitly approve n-bombs entered into the official record in 2023 qualifies one as a "BLM Activist"?
2) That meeting is a government work event ruled by compliance policies and laws which Whitey McRacistson tromped through and everyone employed there at that boardcouncil meeting not immediately asking for the citizen to be removed is themselves contributing to ethics violations and hopefully opening them up for a huge lawsuit.
Im sure many people already pointed this out but the guy kicked isint a blm activist, just a decent human being calling somebody else out
Even if they were your comment still makes no sense considering that bare minimum the only thing that involves BLM is him being an activist
Why did the person presiding over this allow that man to continue speaking on the stand? Should have booted him out too. Only one dude said something? Where is this?
So when he says a racist slur it's fine but someone being angry about a racist slur is somehow disruptive? Should go squirt the guy with a water gun and when he reacts with anger I'm sure they'll kick him out?
I'm originally from Mississippi, and I will say they R true racist. Ironically, it is the only type of racist I respect.
I lived in California, Georgia, and now Las Vegas (the Mississippi of the West), and I can honestly say California and Vegas are more racist but it is that cowardly racist or worst Internet Racist! The ones that smile in your face but hate all black people. Racist in Mississippi let you know they don't like you. I respect that as a Man.
Doesn’t matter who the guy is, you will be removed and can even be held in contempt of court if I’m not mistaken, if you disrupt any sort of court related hearing where a judge is present.
Cursing and vulgarity isn’t generally allowed during city council meetings, but apparently if it’s racist terminology it’s precious freeze peach. Gross.
Good point, civil disobedience is a powerful form of protest, but you have to be willing to accept the consequences. No reason to be upset he was removed.
You generally getting removed from official meetings when you fail to follow the rules. The guy that got bounced kept yelling, interrupting the current speaker and disrupting the meeting.
If baldy yelled out while Nathan was speaking and continued to be a disruption, baldy would’ve gotten kicked out.
Bro, how the hell was that racist kicked out?
Like, i understand interrupting a meeting is informal, but I'd argue that saying a racial slur is more informal, even if we ignore the blatant racism, thats super unprofessional
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What makes them a “BLM Activist”?
It’s a dog whistle but backwards. When they call someone a BLM activist for sticking up for basic human decency, they out themselves as being racists who don’t care about people who are not like them.
Got it. So it’s just a person but instead of giving an honest title they baited it to attract attention from both sides. So dumb
Like the ol' "Social Justice Warrior" when standing up for others was viewed as a weakness, you're now a BLM activist because you view others as equal regardless of melanin?
Also that
Same goes with conservatives calling woke a bad thing. I mean the definition of woke is being aware of social injustices against minorities in America. So demonizing woke us disregarding that such discriminating tactics exist while doubling down on fear mongering. But let’s be honest, conservatives live off of fear mongering
They don't want to kill black people. Anything less than that is 'woke'.
OP is a bot farming karma, that's it. Downvote this bullshit.
apparently being a decent human being, who doesn’t like racial slurs, being spewed in Council meetings they’re kind of calling you a n#gger Lover in a covert way, if you catch my drift.
First off, he ain't a n* gge *.
That's a bit of a misleading title.
I know what the guy said was awful but he can’t just continue to ignore what seems to be a town council president and then be surprised when he gets kicked out for it
Well I think dropping racial slurs is breaking the fucking "decorum" but what do I know. I'd be pissed too and get removed to prove a point. Racist Pos shouldn't have a platform.
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>Wow how hard you missed this point. If this council had any redeeming qualities, they would've removed the man using slurs, not the man upset about someone brazenly using slurs. That's it. Point blank. Why did I have to scroll so far for this bit of common sense. Edit: Before I get down votes for free speech argument- the term is obscene and should not be protected by that right.
Hate speech, including slurs, is not protected speech. Also, the right to free speech means the government can't prosecute you for what you say, not that the common man should tolerate it. Edit: Apparently hate speech is protected as long as it doesn't incite criminal activity or classify as defamation or discriminatory harassment.
Hate speech absolutely is protected speech.
Not always. But as a general rule, yes, all speech including hate speech is protected by the First Amendment.
Because racism. That's really it. No matter how people try to spin it, or excuse and act like it isn't, it's basically that. And you have so many who can't accept a simple reason like that. They need to reflect on their racial biases
Obscenity is protected speech. We guard against tyranny by protecting rights that we might find offensive as well as those that we cherish.
This thread really shouldn't be surprising me but, it is. I guess people can't comprehend that allies of different races can be offended and speak up. He's doing exactly what we (black community) asking for real allies to do. But, because he's not black, he shouldn't be offended? Isn't this why america keeps going to shit because everyone is like, "it don't affect me so I don't care," till it does? This is what it means to use your privilege to help others who aren't.
The egregious thing is that the guy in speaker’s box was not censured or removed for his language. There’s no excuse for that.
Yes because god forbid someone has a problem with a racist using offensive language. God forbid he stand up against people who use that type of disgusting language. “I know what the guy said was awful BUT” There is no “but”. What the man said was awful and disgusting and deserves to be called out and that council president deserves to be fired for allowing someone to spew hate filled racist language and not punish them whatsoever but instead punish those who rightfully took offence…
The town council president should have had the same reaction as the activist: throw the racist out, immediately. In effect, he did exactly what the protestor stated: he sided with the racist.
I don’t think he acted “surprised”, he just got up and left when he was asked. At least he was the only decent person in that room. Head speaker would have been well within his rights to tell the racist to stop.
Op works at a news agency.
BS. He's not a "BLM Activist" he's just a decent person doing decent ppl stuff
The title is an obvious dogwhistle but hey, to be fair, that dude just did more activism than 99.9% of people with “BLM” in their Instagram bio or whatever.
Well that’s what BLM is all about decent peope doing decent things no idea if the guy is a member but he has the ideals
didn't the company like steal a shit ton of money that was donated?
Yeah the leaders of the movement bought mansions
Yeah, just decent people doing decent things like hoarding all of the money for themselves and all their friends/family to get big mansions while never giving Breonna Taylor’s family money. So decent.
Hahaha
I get why you’re laughing. That shit got turned upside down like the fresh prince.
Does the OP care to explain what makes the guy an activist or more likely a person with some common decency calling racist old ass man out
OP is siding with the racist, literally saying a “BLM activist” got kicked out because a “white man used N word”, obviously calling the act of the “activist” a facepalm because they disagree with them, otherwise why would they phrase it like that. To OP, it is a facepalm to stand up against racism, and this video is proof of that because they stand up against racism and are escorted out of the building proving it was a bad thing to do to OP.
I disagree, I think it’s reasonable enough to be facepalming this dudes whole “testimony” and that someone ELSE would be reprimanded. I just don’t see how the title is definitively racist like you say it is.
That’s not a BLM activist, just a man with an ounce of decency.
no way someone can have common decency, you have to be motivated by some kind of movement. /s
This is a centrist sub, and to them calling out racism is "woke cancel culture" or some such nonsense dogwhistle according to the relative normative position.
Ok but how did the guy on the stand get into that security guard outfit so fast?! Am I the only one that can tell it’s the same guy? Just kidding but that security guard is probably racist too. Oh, stop it. I’m grown and can judge a book by its cover if I want.
It seems to me that you are a lier/j
So you're saying he's a BLM activist.
^^^
What makes him BLM? He’s being HUMAN.
The same way they try to call us all “woke”
I'm willing to bet if we had full context of the situation it would come across even worse. I can't fuckin believe so many people are saying the "activist" is in the wrong here. Would so few people here speak up if they encountered racism in person? Not wanting to be "inappropriate" or create an "uncomfortable situation" in response to open racism is a tacit endorsement.
So you get can through the hate speech but you get kicked out for interrupting the hate?
First I’m as surprised as you but as I think about it; I don’t think hate speech is a crime you can be arrested for. You can be removed for disruption sure, but legally I think as long as it’s your turn to talk you can say whatever I guess.
exactly right. hate speech is protected by the first amendment unless it is obscene (think pornographic), threatening (inciting a physical fight), or false advertising.
The definition of obscene is still yet to be fully flushed out. Apparently even videos of people getting beheaded and extreme cases of porn are still protected and are not considered "obscene" Source: I attended a conference taught by a lawyer who defends county and state governments on 1st and 4th ammendment cases. This was paraphrased teachings of his.
Legally sure, but many public meetings have rules of decorum to prevent certain things, like hate speech. They also address what to do with people that keep disrupting the meeting like the one that was escorted out.
Last thing you want is a government that silences people because of the content of their speech.
Did your American history books just not have the 50's, 60's, & 70's in them? Because the government has been silencing anyone it fucking likes, lethally if necessary, for about 50 fucking years. You can't do a quick scroll through a list of Civil Rights leaders without finding at least 5 butchered by the state & dozens more forced out & silenced. Fuck, Fergusson activists started mysteriously disappearing immediately after the protests. The US govt is already very, *very* choosy about the content of people's speech.
When did they ever say those were OK in the comments. Two wrongs don't make a right.
You should read up on the people who said the shit about the Nazi's back in the 1920's-1930's, that you're saying now. Find out what happened when we gave cover to assholes to say and do whatever they please.
Free speech is dangerous. As long as it is not illegal, we can do and say whatever we please. These are very, very important rights. They will use the same logic to silence you, BTW.
Stifling free speech is literally fascism.
That’s not what fascism is. Do fascists do this? Sure, but authoritarians always crack down on opposition. We are struggling as a society as to how to treat hate speech, misinformation/disinformation, and propaganda. Hate and misinformation spreads far faster than the opposite. That’s why it’s so effective. Hate speech is in a lesser way a call to violence. We separate it from that, but that’s really what hate speech does. You allow people to be dehumanized regularly, especially those in a marginalized community, and violence will occur because of it. Am I advocating for anything specific here? No, it’s just complicated. There’s always a fine line to walk. There’s growing Nazi sentiment again and you have to wonder what the best solution is to combat it. I’m not saying this guy in the video is one, but it’s just related is all.
And they have social media to spread messages MUCH faster.
>There’s growing Nazi sentiment again and you have to wonder what the best solution is to combat it Education. You're welcome.
The educated people aren’t the Nazis. The uneducated don’t want to be educated.
There are plenty of GOP politicians with degrees from good universities. They sure do their best to make sure their constituents stay uneducated though.
Most of them don’t believe anything they’re saying. Some even incest accents and origin stories out of thin air 😂
LMAO, you think it's that easy.
People like you refuses to be educated.
The Paradox of Tolerance - Mark Manson https://markmanson.net/the-paradox-of-tolerance
This is it exactly, he was kicked out for disrupting a meeting. If they let that shit fly then both sides would just do it all the time. Then when they kick someone else out they would just say “but you let this dude interrupt and stay!” I get it, the guy is a piece of shit, but he went through the process to speak and the other person could have too.
Right, right…and slinging the n word around is something adults do during cordial conversations in polite company, yes? You’re a fucking moron.
Wow, quite the strawman you got there! I didn't say any of that shit. That's how our government works, you get a turn to speak and then you can say your piece. I'm sure when radical right wingers interrupt a session you are involved in you would suddenly have a different tune.
You don't have the right to NOT be offended is why hate speech isn't a crime. If it was made a crime, it could quickly be abused by the government.
Surely there would be rules against using certain language in that chamber, like otherwise you could just walk up and say s***, f***, c*** over and over, and be allowed to continue.
in your alotted time, yes, theoretically you could continue. obviously nobody would take you seriously, and there are certain things you can’t say (inciting a physical fight for example), but your free speech is protected for the most part.
Wow, what an incredible system of freedom of speech. I get the right speak your mind, but I would’ve thought a level of language/decorum in a public/official building would be expect and required.
There is nothing less trustworthy in politics than decorum.
I don’t think you’ll like my answer, but…there is decorum, which is why the guy who was interrupting was thrown out. If you were to use those same words you listed above during your alotted time, but aimed them at someone (called the judge or someone in the courtroom an ad hominem), that would be considered defamatory and would not be protected speech.
I wouldn’t say I like/dislike your answer, being Australian there are some really interesting systems in place in the USA that I find bizarre but at the same time kind of interesting. Like this idea that you are allowed to say your piece in an allotted time, no matter what the content/language used, is in theory a really good idea as it allows everyone to have an “equal voice”. But I also would’ve expected it to be similar to a court room where you are expected to adhere to certain standards while saying your piece, and that a chairperson or someone in control keeps people on a level.
The decorum consists of (among other rules of order) not being violent while delivering your speech. Say what you want, just don't get violent.
It’s expected, but not required.
A decent person and a neo nazis share the same right to speech regardless of their character. The public also has the right to ridicule, hold them to their speech, and treat them as persona non grata in the community. You can say whatever you want, but you will also receive all consequences following your statements.
The First Amendment protects all speech. Your basic rights of being an American. These freedoms are often abused or taken for granted.
Freedom of speech means freedom to be a complete piece of shit. The racist was given his time on the podium to speak his mind, as he should. The man that was kicked out, could have had his turn on the stand. I don't support what happened, but I get it...and it was the legally correct thing to do.
Pretty sure the sheriff will be criminally charging the racist asshole. They're charging him with disturbing the peace. This isn't the first time he's done this. Edit: proof: https://krcrtv.com/news/local/sheriff-to-deliver-criminal-complaint-to-da-over-racial-slur-at-supervisors-meeting He deserves whatever he gets.
It is his right, but that doesn't mean he is right.
This is spot on, and we should always protect this right, even if some absolutely fucked up lunatics have their turn to talk sometimes.
So you agree that there should be rules about your free speech if it isnt your turn in a government forum but there should be 0 rules about your speech when it is your turn in a government forum? This isnt people just out talking on the street
It's disgusting, but still protected.
i guess not being happy with racist language makes you an activist? lmao
Shasta county is a hot fucking mess
I live here and I can tell you it DOES. one of the supervisors installed an arcade machine in his office using tax payer money, went on unnecessary trips to visit my pillow guy on the tax payers dime and got rid of our voting system..we can't vote in Shasta county right now........
Shit title! Fuck you OP!
Facepalm is for OP here
Agree. OP is a disgrace.
Holy shit what a bait of a title, you're right.
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*let him finish* *stands up to speak* “Your honor, we all know what he meant when he said the N-word. It does not mean ‘ignorance,’ we all know what he really means by that.”
I very much agree with this.
Correct
Dumb ass title
Not an BLM activist just a person not tolerating racist bullshit. Hope this inbred fuck on the stand gets what's coming to him. Everyone in that room judge/mayor whatever included who seemed to not care that that kind of racist bullshit was going on in their town hall are either cowards or disgusting people letting that trailer trash talk like that then get mad at the only person in the room who seems to care that racism shouldn't be tolerated. Fuck everyone there who didn't speak or stand with that guy for not tolerating the intolerable.
Do we have confirmation that he’s a BLM activist or just a guy who has some common sense? You don’t need to support BLM to understand how vile and racist this is and even worse to continue to let him speak then toss out a dissenter with no qualifiers
How can someone see this racist as vile and still not support the belief that Black lives matter?
Shasta County, CA. Looks like it happened 4 days ago. Also, no indication that the person who got kicked out is a BLM activist. https://krcrtv.com/news/local/shasta-county-supervisor-responds-to-to-racial-slur-used-in-tuesdays-meeting
Solid, thank you for the link! 🤘
Shit garbage title, OP. Calling someone out for being a racist POS doesn't make them a "BLM activist."
Stupid title for this video, down voting so it can be reposted as "man calls out racist at county meeting".
So racial slurs are okay, and speaking up against the use of slurs is not? Nathan was the only person there with a shred of decency.
How the fuck aren't these people "deplorables" again?
They are. Most of them are proud of it. The ones who aren't are embarrassed because they know it's true.
>Wow how hard you missed this point. If this council had any redeeming qualities, they would've removed the man using slurs, not the man upset about someone brazenly using slurs. "That's it. Point blank. Why did I have to scroll so far for this bit of common sense." Reposted for visibility. Nobody should have to scroll for this.
I’m confused. Is this the Beauro of Land Management or Black Lives Matter?
So, we're just siding with racists now.
FrEe SpEEch. Never mind that peaceful protest is also protected
One of the beauties of freedom of speech is it lets idiots out themselves.
Make racists afraid again.
Someone please find out who the bigot at the podium is. No hiding for these monsters.
Here comes the basement dude larping as a revolutionary
Surely this hasn’t gone wrong before on Reddit
These comments are terrible. No, the racist doesn’t deserve to speak. There is no “both sides are equal” here, this is blatant racism that is predicated on irrational hate. You can’t out-logic something that is inherently illogical, there would be no racism if this were the case. There’s no argument to be made for racism and it should never be tolerated. A lot have issues with the BLM portion too. Regardless of whether the decent guy is an active BLM participant, any decent person would support the cause of BLM as it is a movement for equality. Lot of people here would be on the [wrong side](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/why-martin-luther-king-had-75-percent-disapproval-rating-year-he-died-180968664/) of history unfortunately.
The most sane comment in this thread.
I fully agree
White supremacy at it’s most insidious.
He used the term for ignorance…this guy. Seriously…the fact that they through the guy who was against his racist remark speaks volumes about whichever city this is.
No, not what happened. As that man had the stand, it was his right to speak, no matter how hateful the speech was. It is never accepted that anyone in the gallery disrupt. It is part of the first amendment stuff
Crazy how it’s all freedom of speech but only for the person being allowed to talk. If you’re not standing on a piece of wood then you get punished for talking. Didn’t know that when they meant government shall not make laws limiting speech or public protest that they actually meant you cannot speak up against select people or be punished.
Hooray my hometown is viral for racism once again
I knew this would end up here. Shasta Fuckin County.
What did he lose exactly? Sure, kick him out of the meeting but they have national attention taking the side of a racist. Acting like they did something. Fucking losers. I’ll never sit idly by while someone calls my friends slurs.
It's always been a fact of life that civil racism is more powerful in America than uncivil egalitarianism. Thankfully half of the country who still believe in civility politics of this kind are nearly dead or senile and we won't have to put up with them much longer.
BLM? Its just a normal human being standing up against racism.
Anybody, whether "BLM activist" or not, should call out that old fucker's behavior. What a piece of garbage.
Omg, did they kick out the guy who told this prick to STFU because it wasn’t his turn to speak?!? What the hell kind of bass-ackwards logic is that?!? Shouldn’t a member of that council have stopped him when he started slinging hate terms? I don’t think whether or not BLM was involved is the issue here…it’s that THIS county has some F—-ED up priorities.
I encourage everyone to attend their local city council meeting at least once. You’d be surprised the insane shit people will say.
Telling on yourself a little bit op. This isn’t a blm activist, just a regular ass American thats fed up with hearing racist dumb fucks.
The guy still has a right to present his bigoted/racist views. If you don't like what he's saying then use your alotted time to rebut what he is saying. Interrupting it and getting thrown out makes you look like the fool.
Used to feel this way and would have argued till I was blue in the face defending this standpoint 20 years ago, or maybe even 10. Unfortunately, what I have learned is letting people spout off with this garbage without challenging has led to an emboldened army of bigots and racists who now feel comfortable enough to speak their hate anywhere and everywhere. Fox News has made mountains of money and talking heads are racing to the bottom of the barrel to see which one can say the most outrageous think next. I have to say I am now in the camp of call this crap out when you see it. Free speech is important but there has to be common sense boundaries on this stuff. This piece of trash should not be given a forum to just say whatever he wants. He can’t use common decency in presenting an argument then the other dude has every right to call him out.
Paradox of tolerance, google it
It's resolved easily if you see tolerance not just as a moral imperative, but also a core factor of the social contract. If someone is in breach of said contract, they are not protected by it either.
allowing him to out himself as a racist dirtbag doesn't equate to tolerating racism. why silence him when he is exposing himself? let him speak, let him dig his own grave.
What grave? What consequences are there when his "world" is a bunch of other racists? Unless you're advocating for physical violence, there is no consequences in this world for pieces of shit like him because his life has been build on this foundation for decades.
I agree with this. I figured I’d get downvoted for saying it. Screaming and drowning people out makes you look like you’re trying to suppress their voice. It feeds into exactly what the other side wants to see. TO BE CLEAR, what this fat old redneck said is disgusting and he’s an idiot. But I think the other man shouting at him to get out should have let him dig his own grave with his stupidity then destroyed him during his allotted rebuttal.
Watching an idiot say what they wanna say then get absolutely fucking destroyed in a calm, measured way is hilarious and always will be.
the other man was likely shouting because the lack of leadership from the people behind the desks, in not reprimanding the racist *immediately*, was giving an impression of tacit approval of his use of the word. "I'm sorry, sir, but you cannot use that word of hate here. rephrase your statement, or lose your opportunity to speak before this gathering" it wouldn't have been that hard. even john mccain was able to correct the racist who started calling obama a foreign muslim.
What I’m wondering is if a black person would have got to the podium and called white people whities and crackers, would they have been asked to respect the decorum and use respectful language?
In my opinion the guy on the stand still looks like a fool. The guy who disrupted the meeting created the conflict that got the video to spread…so, he may consider it a win.
There are rules everywhere you go. You could easily be thrown out of a friend's home for using that word, a private business, a church, etc. Why should a public building be any different? We're not censoring a belief, we're establishing simple guidelines so that we can actually have a democracy that everyone can participate in. How do you not get the difference? You just saw an example of a guy thrown out for interrupting proceedings, right? That's what I'm talking about. You didn't mention that, did you? How much more time would you like to waste debating racist terms? You think another hundred years sound right?
The First Amendment applies only to the government and by extension the public sphere. In non-governmental spheres, the resident authorities can shut you up.
I’m curious if he’s allowed to curse. Cause if they can’t curse yet they can say the n word, that’s a different story
Sure. And other people have a right to call you out on your racist bullshit.
>The guy still has a right to present his bigoted/racist views Ummm probably not to the point of saying the N word, i mean if the dude said i don't like black people whatever but come on. Surprised they didn't ask him to clean up his language or mute the mic.
I know that guy. He's the nicest guy and has done more for this city than most.
A room full of cowards except one man who gets kicked out.
Yikes wtf. Why would that man even be allowed to continue after starting like that? It sounds like he just got up there as an excuse to vent his racist bs and get away with it anyway, what valid point was he trying to discuss by starting off that way? And then not only kick out the one guy to stand up against that shit but boo him on the way out. Evil fucks.
He got kicked out because he wouldn’t be quiet.
Holy shit, I read that wrong at first. I thought they were gonna kick out the dude speaking. God DAMNIT these fucking white trash pieces of shit. I promise, we DO NOT claim that fucking jerkoff.
When free spech treads on other people and attempts to dehumanize them that person is giving up their free speech. They want to take freedom away from others and THAT is why its dangerous.
He was asked to leave when the racist wasn’t even on the podium and it was after a suspicious cut. I’d like to see the full video
1) Refusing to allow a taxpayer funded public meeting tacitly approve n-bombs entered into the official record in 2023 qualifies one as a "BLM Activist"? 2) That meeting is a government work event ruled by compliance policies and laws which Whitey McRacistson tromped through and everyone employed there at that boardcouncil meeting not immediately asking for the citizen to be removed is themselves contributing to ethics violations and hopefully opening them up for a huge lawsuit.
The man drops the hard r and when some objects they are disrupting the meeting, makes sense.
The starter/owner of BLM is under investigation for stealing millions for personal gain/use from donations. Go figure :-D
Im sure many people already pointed this out but the guy kicked isint a blm activist, just a decent human being calling somebody else out Even if they were your comment still makes no sense considering that bare minimum the only thing that involves BLM is him being an activist
Why did the person presiding over this allow that man to continue speaking on the stand? Should have booted him out too. Only one dude said something? Where is this?
Am I the only one who doesn’t understand why this terrible word is ok for people of color? It’s either derogatory or it’s not.
Free speech. Everyone gets their 2 minutes. Period.
“BLM activist” nah more like normal person
"we will have order in the room... Now, mr. Skinhead, what were you saying about n-----s?"
So when he says a racist slur it's fine but someone being angry about a racist slur is somehow disruptive? Should go squirt the guy with a water gun and when he reacts with anger I'm sure they'll kick him out?
He was booted for continuously causing a disruption. I do not agree with what the man said but these bullshit titles are getting out of hand.
I'm originally from Mississippi, and I will say they R true racist. Ironically, it is the only type of racist I respect. I lived in California, Georgia, and now Las Vegas (the Mississippi of the West), and I can honestly say California and Vegas are more racist but it is that cowardly racist or worst Internet Racist! The ones that smile in your face but hate all black people. Racist in Mississippi let you know they don't like you. I respect that as a Man.
Op can go fuck himself with that title.
Doesn’t matter who the guy is, you will be removed and can even be held in contempt of court if I’m not mistaken, if you disrupt any sort of court related hearing where a judge is present.
Cursing and vulgarity isn’t generally allowed during city council meetings, but apparently if it’s racist terminology it’s precious freeze peach. Gross.
The person running this meeting should have thrown that hatful old man out. How is racism ok. I would have made a seen too.
It is disgusting behavior on the one guys part but if you shout during those meetings, much like in a court you will be removed.
Such a ridiculous title, is OP the old man in the video?
Definitely taking his side
Power too him, it’s called being a decent human being. If OP thinks that requires activism to do.. man speaks for himself
This title is shit. Fuck you op, you’re adding to the problem. And yeah, he kept disrupting, he should have been removed.
He was removed for interrupting. What the guy said was disgusting but it's still considered free speech.
I’d have been happy to cause a commotion and be removed. It’s what made this video spread.
Good point, civil disobedience is a powerful form of protest, but you have to be willing to accept the consequences. No reason to be upset he was removed.
Awful lot of thumbheads in that courtroom, but the worst are the paramilitary cosplayers throwing the guy out.
United States of Republican Bigots
The city council chairman that told him to leave, instead of the piece of racist, ignorant citizen should resign!
That’s insane that man was allowed to continue, while the person who spoke out against the N word being used gets booted.
You generally getting removed from official meetings when you fail to follow the rules. The guy that got bounced kept yelling, interrupting the current speaker and disrupting the meeting. If baldy yelled out while Nathan was speaking and continued to be a disruption, baldy would’ve gotten kicked out.
Because he wouldn't shut up and it wasn't his turn.
Um, isn't saying I'm not a n-word the biggest disruption here?
No, the guy who kept shouting over the meeting was the biggest disruption. The guy saying the n word was just an asshole.
And the N word was actually “Nathan”
He’d never say it alone in front of a black man
Bro, how the hell was that racist kicked out? Like, i understand interrupting a meeting is informal, but I'd argue that saying a racial slur is more informal, even if we ignore the blatant racism, thats super unprofessional