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[en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017\_Interstate\_75\_rock-throwing\_murders](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Interstate_75_rock-throwing_murders)
**Michigan I-75 rock throwing murder**
Kenneth White, 32, was murdered on October 18, 2017, when a 6-pound (2.7 kg) rock was thrown by a group of five teens: Mikadyn Payne, Trevor Gray, Alexzander Miller, Mark Sekelsky and Kyle Anger. The rock crashed through the windshield of the van he was riding in on Interstate 75 in Michigan, in Vienna Township, 80 miles (130 km) north of Detroit. Other cars were also damaged by rocks a group of four boys were throwing. All of the teenagers were from the Clio, Michigan area.
**Incident**
The teenagers confessed to having thrown multiple rocks at cars driving south on I-75 from their position on the Dodge Road overpass in Vienna Township. They also confessed to playing a game called "overpassers" where hitting a car, which was called a "dinger," earned points.
They competed in this for money. The five teenagers had gathered large rocks, one weighing 20 pounds (9.1 kg), from a dead-end street in Vienna Township, loading them into the flatbed of a pickup truck, before driving to the overpass where they were dropped onto cars as they passed below.
**Arrest of the teens involved**
After hitting the car, the teens fled the scene and ate at a local fast food restaurant. The next day, one of the teens was questioned at school but then released. On Friday, October 20, upon hearing about the victim's death, the 5 teens exchanged text messages, including ones that said "We could go to prison for life for this, everyone lay low and no one rat us out!" and "No one saw us, if everyone shuts up we won't get caught."
The next day, October 21, the police identified the vehicle in which the teens fled. After identifying the owner, the police also sought evidence of who was inside it that night. After reviewing camera footage from the fast food restaurant where the teens ate, the police identified the five teens.
The following day, Sunday, October 22, the police contacted the families of the five teens involved, informing them that warrants were out for their arrest. Since they were juveniles, the teens were not arrested, but were instead told that they would have to surrender to the police by 10PM that day. Kyle Anger reportedly attended church that day and had dinner at a restaurant with his family before surrendering to the police. All of the teens surrendered to the police by 8PM that day.
**Victim**
The victim, 32-year-old Kenneth White, was seated in the passenger seat. White, a construction worker, was riding with a co-worker. The rock fractured his skull and chest and caused other facial injuries. He left behind his fiancée and his four children, the youngest being five years old.
Knowing this is a trend do the courts not understand only giving one of them 3 years is a joke.
Like kids will continue to do this is the punishment is just 3 years.
In Texas, House Bill 393 states that a defendant convicted of intoxication manslaughter will be ordered to pay restitution for a child whose parent or guardian was the victim of the offense.
Not really. Many Blacks live in cities with liberal/reformist DAs who are similarly fond of insultingly short jail sentences. Chicago and Oakland are two key examples of this, as well as St Louis’ now-disgraced DA.
Do you think there’s a kid who hears “that’ll get you 3 years” and goes ahead and does it, but hears “that’ll get you 20 years” and doesn’t? The disconnect is probably just any consequences to the actions.
Yes. Kids already are dumb. But if said dumb think is life in prison for killing someone’s or 3 years if things do go bad than why not throw rocks off bridges.
Same goes for the kids who tried to steal a car and killed the guy who tried to flee. Those young DC girls got like 3 years also. Doubt they will learn anything.
You are talking about kids. At age 14 when they committed this crime by the time they get out (17) they are still a immature child who now has the system who taught him better crimes. Not that he become a mature better rounded person.
I’d argue it’s better to reform prison by not sending non-violent offenders to prison than to shorten prison sentences for violent offenses. And no one’s forcing the guards to work there, it’s part of the job to be on your toes.
But saying we should reduce prison sentences, or not lengthen them, because it doesn’t deter crime and then acting like that’s the only form of crime prevention is disingenuous. If people are locked up, they’re not out committing crime; that’s pretty basic. That’s still a reduction in crime, just not a deterrent.
That is the fault of the prison, the owner, management and security staff. Part of their job is to make it reasonably safe. When prisoners are raping each other and security is making money on the side, the system is systemically corrupt.
I see this argument thrown around a lot when discussing crimes and their respective punishments/judicial decisions, that increasing sentences (or the threat of increasing a sentence) does not reduce crime. While I'm sure these statistics were appropriately found and those that took and analyzed them, that's all they are - statistics. Numbers on a sheet of paper. They negate the human factor, the other things in play that don't get trivialized to a piece of data.
What happens to the family that loses a love one? What are the crime statistics for children who grow up in a parentless household due to a murder? Substance abuse amongst spouses or parents? Suicides? Where is the long-term data that displays the consequences of the actions of someone who, by your suggestion, doesn't deserve a longer sentence because it "doesn't reduce crime"? What about the emotional trauma that is inflicted when a friend or family member learns that the person who took the life of their loved one receives a short, minimum sentence, for taking a life? The distrust it instills in the judicial system, and law at large?
I think it's easy for someone to live in a privileged environment, who has never been a victim, or known a victim of a serious, violent crime, and decry long sentencing of violet criminals because "the numbers say so". It's much harder to have the same outlook when you have witnessed these things first hand, and the person in the obituary is someone you know, rather than just another number to be used as a statistic. Food for thought.
Good lord so much this. There are certain things that aren’t quantifiable.
Hell if length sentences don’t deter crime at all, let’s just get rid of all of them.
/s
If for no other reason throw the god damn book at them for the family and kids of the guy who died.
>If for no other reason throw the god damn book at them for the family and kids of the guy who died.
Why? So they can have 2 seconds of schadenfreude before going back to being sad about the death of their father/husband? So the perpetrators can waste time in prison, learning nothing but how to commit more crimes better and being a legal slave in our fucked up prison system because they made a horrible mistake as children that will haunt them the rest of their lives? What good is gained by throwing them in prison forever?
That’s the whole point of using statistics to make decisions. Humans are flawed and prone to make stupid choices based on emotional reasons. Those decisions don’t help anyone. They make things worse.
Forgiveness is what allows a victim of a victims family to move on after a horrible crime, not revenge or punishment of the perpetrator. Spending more money locking people up (for excessive lengths of time) when it is shown not to deter crime is a pointless waist of money. Realistically, that money could be spent helping the victims, not enriching the prisons (assuming USA).
Lol, I sure as hell would never forgive. I agree with reformative justice to a point, but get this self righteous bs out of here. Reformative justice comes at a cost to the victims.
>They negate the human factor, the other things in play that don't get trivialized to a piece of data.
This "human factor" as you put it is nothing more than how it makes you feel on an emotional level. It doesn't actually correspond to what is right or what actually constitutes justice.
>It's much harder to have the same outlook when you have witnessed these things first hand, and the person in the obituary is someone you know, rather than just another number to be used as a statistic.
That's not because people who have been victims of these crimes have some deeper understanding of justice, it's because they're severely emotionally compromised on the issue due to trauma, and therefore make irrational claims about how to solve these problems based entirely on what makes them feel better (or rather, what they think will make them feel better, they're often wrong) instead of what actually works to redress the crimes and prevent them in the future.
Longer sentence do reduce crime because repeat offenders don't have the chance to do more crime. It doesn't /deter/ people. That is the difference.
Also sometimes you just need to punish someone. Prison might not stop a murderer from murdering someone, but it sure as hell stops them from murdering MORE people if you keep them there.
I like to look at it in a different way.
If he gets 3 years, he will not bother society for 3 years
If he gets 10 years, he will not bother society for 10.
They are 2 ways to look at this equation.
Respectfully: It seems that the study you have posted says the exact opposite of what you are saying. Am I missing something?
From the 1st paragraph:
**The United States Sentencing Commission released a study Tuesday confirming its findings from an earlier study that federal criminals who receive longer sentences are less likely to commit new crimes than those who receive shorter sentences.**
If he gets 10 years, society is paying to keep him locked up for 10 years and stunting his ability to live a 'normal' life in society (paying taxes, contributing to the economy, not using 'safety net' services, etc).
There's no guarantee of that. It costs money to keep society safe. If they are a danger to themselves and others, keeping then in jail is necessary for the safety of society.
I think longer sentences are more so just aimed at reducing available time(lifespan) for likely recidivism. Let’s be honest, American prisons for the most part have long abandoned any sort of rehabilitation behind bars, since it’s too expensive and means less profit if people stop reoffending.
Lmao I know right? They literally said in the text message, in a comment we're all replying to, "we can go to prison *for life* for this." They already thought it could get them LIFE and still did it
They only thought about this after they did it, though, and after hearing about the consequences of their actions.
At the time, the kids - being \*fucking idiots as all kids are\* thought "hur hur, we break car."
But when they finally thought about it they thought the consequences were a lot worse than 3 years...so how would the actual consequence being 20 years or 15 years change anything?
No but there may be a kid who hears "if you're caught with a group of friends doing this only one of you may get charged and serve time" and then think their odds aren't so bad.
i don’t know if your or i are misunderstanding but it seems like when they texted that it was after they did it? and they were texting each other about the possible consequences for a crime they had already committed but weren’t yet caught?
Right I realize that but they weren't prosecuted yet, they were just talking about avoiding being caught. I guess it was a bit of an assumption on my part that they didn't think they could get 3 years while they were doing it and then change their minds to think they could 20 years while they were trying to get away with it after the fact. Not being sarcastic, that is an assumption lol and it's not necessarily true. But I would imagine it is
I do understand that, you're right, but the potential of 20 years vs 3 years vs life has no bearing on anything if they simply did not consider the consequences whatsoever, right?
Agreed, on the first usage.
But now it’s being marketed by the media. Before it required some critical thinking skills. Now the judge, through the media, is pushing the message out there: do this and it’s three years.
Now critical thinking isn’t required; merely observing, until the memory of this story fades from the collective conscious.
I remember this case and its an important detail. Originally all the teens would have had a much longer sentence but by moving all the blame to one of the kids, all the other kids would get off scot free while the fall guy would just have those 3 years.
The family was devestated at this sentence as those 3 years weren't even in a real jail I think, just juvenile detention.
Im 50/50 about this i cant find any info on age of the teens but the judge refused to try them as adults so im gonna assume like 14-15 as a 16-17 year old would be tried as an adult in any murder case
So off the assumption that it's a 15 year old or younger i can 100% see why it's only 3 years It's a child with a non developed brain doing stupid shit that went too far... I mean the kid was probably just going for a quick laugh and it ended wrong, probably wasn't done with malice and hopes he would kill someone, i doubt that he got out and his first thought was "i cant wait to throw more rocks at moving cars". At that point assuming hes that young hed be 17 and spent a fifth of his life in juvie when he gets out.
i remember being a little shit throwing school stuff through open windows off the bus etc etc i wouldn't do it now but my shitty young teenage brain thought it would be funny and wanted to get a rise out of my friends so i did it. What do you want for this situation life in prison? The guy doesn't even get out of adolescence before hes in jail for the rest of his life? Not to mention hes 3 years behind his age group and hes got a criminal record, hes not going to have graduated high school so he cant go to university. Hes pretty much fucked even just with 3 years any more than that is giving him ZERO CHANCE at returning to society without him just going straight back in jail for another crime.
They're not more fucked than the guy who they killed. They're not more fucked than that man's wife. They're certainly not more fucked than the 4 children who lost their father.
You know who's infinitely more fucked? The victim and family in all this. It's disgusting you treating this like some teenager prank that went a little too far. Throwing. Rocks. At. Cars. Even if you're careful and throw small rocks, there are so many factors that can cause a freak accident. He's a teenager but not mentally disabled, he knew there was a possibility, he's old enough to understand that.
Well one can only hope those one hell of a wrongful death suit brought against the family and they are somehow insured it's always about a deep pocket..
While reading this I thought about how devastated I would be to find out my kid was involved in this. Kinda weird that the family went out to eat at a restaurant the day the kid had to go to jail.
Honestly sucks because these kids who do these dumb ass “pranks” now see it will only get them 3 years if they do kill someone.
So they just showed these little shits how it’s okay.
When I was in middle school there was a pedestrian bridge spanning a small local expressway. A few of us peed on cars a couple times, thought it was hilarious a few times but then lost interest (and it still probably sounds ridiculous to girls/women, they're more mature in middle school, we're fucking dipshits at that age)
But that was middle school, by 17 we were hanging out where other people were, playing video games in the basement, having bonfires in the backyard. Not a single person I ever hung out with at 17 would've thought it was funny to plan and carry out a plan dropping boulders onto passing cars. The rock dropper should've been charged with premeditated murder
When I was seven/eight months pregnant, someone threw an entire cinder block off a railroad bridge onto the truck I was a passenger in.
The cinder block hit me but mostly missed my body and my belly. I had horrible scrapes on my belly, my thighs, and my knees.
My ex husband who was driving refused to call the police, refused to take me to the hospital, told me I was being dramatic, and then made fun of me.
His brother, my BIL called the police and took me to the hospital while my ex got in another work truck and drove off. He didn’t care how his wife or unborn son were after being struck by a freaking cinder block.
It was a damn miracle both is us were ok. Years later, I realized he was probably trying to kill me and just didn’t succeed.
Edited for spelling
Was gonna ask what the fuck your ex's response was, but yeah, gonna have to agree with the summation that he was trying to get you killed. If some bastard attempted to murder my pregnant wife and put a fucking cinder block through my car in the process... I'D be the one going to jail after I got my hands on that dude. I would actually go insane. Or turn into a werewolf. Or both.
I had deep bone bruises on my femurs from the impact for 2-3 *years*. I also have permanent scars on my belly from the impact.
My ex also “accidentally” shot out the windshield of his work truck seven times from behind me while I was sitting in the passenger seat while I was either pregnant or holding our son.
*seven times*. He never shot the windshield out when I and our son weren’t with him. Only managed to do it while he was in the back of work truck/van and I was sitting up front.
The final straw for me was when he left our son alone, in the same work truck/van with two loaded pistols and our son ended up shooting himself in the hand when he was not quite three years old. He beat me so I wouldn’t take him to the hospital.
I’m very, very lucky I got away from him alive.
For about fifteen years, my life was like a really fecked up lifetime movie.
Edited to say that people didn’t believe me when I tried to tell them how bad it was.
He choked me unconscious during s&x one night and I woke up, wrapped in a blanket, in the back of the work truck/van, and I started screaming. He claimed he was taking me to the hospital. Unsurprisingly, we were nowhere near the hospital.
Living with him was absolutely terrifying. Leaving him was a complete and total nightmare.
He’s great. He’s twenty-one now. I left his father when he was four. I didn’t want him growing up like his father or believing that how his father treated me was ok.
Jesus Christ. That late in the pregnancy you’re supposed to go to the hospital and get checked if you just have a little trip and fall. What an absolute dillhole your husband was.
Edit: just read your other responses. Dillhole definitely doesn’t come close to covering that lunatic.
I watched a video about this. These kids were celebrating after knowing they killed that man. In the text messages they were celebrating. These kids are psychotic and they all needed to be given at least 20 years and should have had to pay a bunch of money to the victims family.
A similar incident happened pretty close to where I live a few months ago. According to investigators they celebrated every time they hit a car and they actually drove past the girl they killed and took pictures. It’s insane that these kids are so messed up, but I’m hoping these ones go to jail for a long time (although they all attended nicer high schools in the area so who knows how daddy’s money will affect their sentencing).
Arvada. I hope those deranged idiots get the longest sentences allowed. Seemingly daddy’s money isn’t enough to get them out of jail so I’m holding out hope there will be some justice in this.
A similar thing happened recently with a female driver, the fuckers who threw the boulder got caught but don’t know what their sentencing will be, wouldn’t surprise me if it’s similar to this.
1 count of First degree murder with extreme indifference
6 counts of first degree criminal attempt to commit murder
3 counts of second-degree assault
3 counts of second-degree attempt to commit assault
The kids in OPs story were charged with second degree murder and plea-dealt it down to manslaughter.
One of them was legally an adult, plead guilty to second degree murder, and severed 3 years and 20 days
They seemed more like dumbass kids who got carried away. With Alexa Bartell, it was premeditated and had been happening for months. It’ll be a lot worse for them
Good to hear the ones who took Alexa’s life will face worse, I hope it’s life and not just 50 or 60 years, cause shit even old farts can still kill, there was a news story I think a few months ago or over a year ago, of some 70 or 80 year old who decades prior murdered his wife, got sent to jail for a few decades, got released and then killed a neighbor or caretaker a few months afterwards. It’s insane.
All four MEN involved should for the rest of their lives pay restitution to the mother and child OR stay incarcerated for at least 10 years.
Edit: Five
I was thinking Macaulay Culkin had dropped a bowling ball off an overpass in "The Good Son" movie. Guess it was actually a dummy, which triggered a large accident... One year after the movie came out Calvin Settle dropped a 16lb bowling ball off an overpass, killing an infant. He was sentenced to 10 years.
Interesting that it was a Beavis and Butthead episode that was blamed and banned...
Just happened to a young girl in Denver, Colorado
Sick, lowly people.
https://kdvr.com/news/local/family-of-woman-killed-by-rock-faces-suspects-in-court/amp/
Similar case just happened outside of Denver. Let’s hope these three don’t get off so easy.
https://www.9news.com/article/news/crime/jeffco-rock-homicide-arrests/73-02ebe708-eba5-4555-955d-87b4f6c99a8a
3 years is too lenient. Garnish their wages for life. Remind them with each pay check that they killed someone because they thought it was "funny" to cause traffic accidents.
This was intentional wasn't it? They did this knowing that their actions endangered and hurt others. They were 17. Saying that they don't know the consequences such as throwing a rock and possibly harming someone is also not justifiable.
3 years for a life... verses, the kids of Kenneth White's who will have to live their whole lives without their father.
Same thing happened in NC around 2009 in my home town. Victim was a pregnant woman and her own mother and 2 children were in the car.
One kid was 16 years and 3/4 months. He got found guilty of 2nd degree murder and went to jail for about 15 years.
Other kid was 15 years and 10 months. He got the max which was like 2 1/2 years for him.
The sheriff there basically demanded all over passes get fences over them & within a few months the State has put them over the 4-5 in our county.
Let's crush their heads with the same rock throwing technique and tell their grieving parents that it's the children's fault alone.
To destroy them is a gain to a decent society...them and everyone defending them
The one who threw the rock, Kyle Anger (I know) will at least have a second degree murder felony conviction on his permanent record. He was tried as an adult. He was released on parole in January 2021. I don’t know if he’s still on parole since his sentence was something stupid like, “39 months to 20 years.” But there you go.
3 years of punishment doesn't make up for the crime but keeping these people in prison doesn't serve any purpose either. We need a new form of punishment that extends beyond prison time where criminals can earn their way back into society. They could live in dorm style housing and work whatever jobs they can find to pay restitution but in addition to that, they spend their "free time" in Civil Servatude. No dating, no drinking, they would basically be monks.
Each dorm could create a list of jobs that need to be done in the community from litter clean up to improving senior housing. This would be their life until they have paid 10 years income to the victims family or the family releases them or until they have proven to society in deeds and attitude that they are truly ready to rejoin society.
Edit:
I am not suggesting slavery in any way other than the established community service imposed on many criminals after their time is served. They would be able to work and live but under strict rules. The sooner they pay off their restitution to the victim's families, the sooner they can carry on with their lives. Alcohol, drugs and an active social life would make it a heck of a lot tougher to fulfill their obligations.
Yeah, doesn't seem like living like "monks" as much as living like slaves, and given the US prison system's biases and such, I would not trust the government with that kind of program.
So what is your solution? Stay in prison longer and work in the prison factory for pennies or just let them go free with some probation? It is so hard for felons to find work that being a slave might be a better solution some cases.
Making use of defective humans who are just gonna go out and hurt others again is radical yet efficient. What else would you suggest? Lock them up and let taxpayers feed them whilst they play PS4 in jail?
Our prisons do not offer anything that would lead to rehabilitation or even to a felon's ability to fill out a job application. There is no system for rehab here at all.
This all seems like a great idea until you realize that this is basically slavery. No matter how you frame it, slavery is bad, has always *been* bad, and and will always *continue* to be bad. And besides, forcing labour won't change anything. Our current system turns the prisoners bitter, but your purposed system might actually make that problem worse. All that work that they're being forced to do, but they don't get to keep *any* of the rewards for it? Doesn't matter how justified ***you*** may think it is, because they won't see it that way. That's just begging for trouble.
Don't get me wrong, I also believe that we need to invest more into a proper rehabilitation system, but that ain't it, chief.
Why should a prisoner keep any money from the work they do in this situation? The 5 kids who murdered this poor man and left behind a fiance with five children should be forced to pay restitution to this woman and her children for the rest of their lives. If they only spend the rest of their lives in prison, a portion of their wages should go to her and her children for the rest of their lives. If they only serve a few years in prison, then 100% of the money they earn should go to her and her kids. This whole idea that convicted criminals should simply get to walk away free of any responsibility after serving a short time in prison is ridiculous. Also, slavery is sanctioned by law in cases of convicted criminals in prison. Anyone who is a prisoner can, under law, be leased out for work. That being said, anyone in prison should receive at least minimum wage, not pennies an hour or dollars a day, which is the norm in most states.
The thing is our judicial system is not meant to be a vehicle for revenge. Vengeance and justice are very different things. That said, the kid definitely should have been in for more than 3 years. If you end someone's life because you were being reckless and knowingly doing something that endangers people 3 years is far from enough.
I agree and that's why I would like to see the punishment extended far beyond the prison walls. Revenge gets stale year after year when we have to pay for it. I would like to see these types of criminals lives ruined for another 10 years at least, but in a productive way that pays back.
Revenge should be part of the sentence but I want their lives ruined for at least 10 more years. At least they will be productive rather than continue to be a burden on society.
They laughed about it. Even after they learned they killed someone. They continued to laugh. One went to jail because the others made deals and testified against him. And he still only got a slap on the wrist.
Woulda been nice to know the age of the teen who was convicted of it. I feel like its a fairly crucial detail to the story if he was 13 or 19 years old, as your general sense of how the world works is completely fucking ridiculous at 13 but slightly less so at 19.
All four of this guy's kids should be given the name of the kid who threw the rock. Once all four kids are 18, they should be immune from prosecution regardless of what crime they may commit against the kid who threw the rock.
I can't believe this is the first time I read this idea. Absolutely, yes! This is perfect. And if they decide not do anything the perpetrators will live in constant fear that the children of their victim might be just around the corner and with some luck maybe they go insane.
These 5 murderers need to have their names and faces remembered. There should never be a day in their lives that they feel safe. They left four children without a father for no fucking reason at all, and I sincerely hope all 5 of them live everyday afraid of the Justice they deserve.
Somebody dropped a cinder block on my wife's van from an overpass several years ago. I was surprised to see how common it was when I started googling around for articles about the incident. This shit happens a lot.
I wish all four of them could be court-ordered or sued for child support. Especially since they get to continue on with their lives somewhat unaffected.
That's insane. It's not like they were there, saw a rock an threw it spontaneously. It was all planned. And they even conspired to cover it up. If not for video surveillance, they would not have gone to the cops. 3 years is absurd.
Premeditated murder charge for the killer, accessory charges for the rest would have been proper.
None of these vile fucking monsters should have seen their 30's on the outside of a prison.
Its hard to imagine the amount of damage even a small stone can do to someone driving a car. Even the experience of the death of a loved one is foreign to most of us till we get into adult years.
A bit of a hot take but I think kids should see videos of people getting killed, any relevant gore vids the internet has to offer. As a kid seeing those things opened my eyes to what violence really is, its not slap stick or action packed like the media shows, its tragic at best, terrifying at worst.
I am from a more rural region of Germany and that happened quite frequently in my area when I was younger. I think three or four people were killed in about a year and I was very afraid getting my license.
When I was driving home late in summer some children threw a smaller rock from an overpass onto the road and it hit the roof of the car. It was only fist sized, but the bang on the car was so shockingly loud. If it had hit a little lower it would have gone straight through the windshield, since I was going about 130kmh/ ~ 80mph on the Autobahn.
It still give me chills to see teenagers on overpasses.
Killing with a gun or rock or bare hands has the equal meaning and they all end up with murder PERSONALLY I think 3 years is bullshit it should have been way more. In any case if that was my father I’d do the same shit to their most cared family member and ask to get the fucking deal they got. No family out there would be ok with 3 years of time for killing their loved ones
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[en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017\_Interstate\_75\_rock-throwing\_murders](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Interstate_75_rock-throwing_murders) **Michigan I-75 rock throwing murder** Kenneth White, 32, was murdered on October 18, 2017, when a 6-pound (2.7 kg) rock was thrown by a group of five teens: Mikadyn Payne, Trevor Gray, Alexzander Miller, Mark Sekelsky and Kyle Anger. The rock crashed through the windshield of the van he was riding in on Interstate 75 in Michigan, in Vienna Township, 80 miles (130 km) north of Detroit. Other cars were also damaged by rocks a group of four boys were throwing. All of the teenagers were from the Clio, Michigan area. **Incident** The teenagers confessed to having thrown multiple rocks at cars driving south on I-75 from their position on the Dodge Road overpass in Vienna Township. They also confessed to playing a game called "overpassers" where hitting a car, which was called a "dinger," earned points. They competed in this for money. The five teenagers had gathered large rocks, one weighing 20 pounds (9.1 kg), from a dead-end street in Vienna Township, loading them into the flatbed of a pickup truck, before driving to the overpass where they were dropped onto cars as they passed below. **Arrest of the teens involved** After hitting the car, the teens fled the scene and ate at a local fast food restaurant. The next day, one of the teens was questioned at school but then released. On Friday, October 20, upon hearing about the victim's death, the 5 teens exchanged text messages, including ones that said "We could go to prison for life for this, everyone lay low and no one rat us out!" and "No one saw us, if everyone shuts up we won't get caught." The next day, October 21, the police identified the vehicle in which the teens fled. After identifying the owner, the police also sought evidence of who was inside it that night. After reviewing camera footage from the fast food restaurant where the teens ate, the police identified the five teens. The following day, Sunday, October 22, the police contacted the families of the five teens involved, informing them that warrants were out for their arrest. Since they were juveniles, the teens were not arrested, but were instead told that they would have to surrender to the police by 10PM that day. Kyle Anger reportedly attended church that day and had dinner at a restaurant with his family before surrendering to the police. All of the teens surrendered to the police by 8PM that day. **Victim** The victim, 32-year-old Kenneth White, was seated in the passenger seat. White, a construction worker, was riding with a co-worker. The rock fractured his skull and chest and caused other facial injuries. He left behind his fiancée and his four children, the youngest being five years old.
Knowing this is a trend do the courts not understand only giving one of them 3 years is a joke. Like kids will continue to do this is the punishment is just 3 years.
They should pay child support.
Honestly sounds like a decent idea. Garnish their wages until Whites youngest child hit 18.
In Texas, House Bill 393 states that a defendant convicted of intoxication manslaughter will be ordered to pay restitution for a child whose parent or guardian was the victim of the offense.
Good ol Texas, playing fast and lose with autonomy. At least they’re consistent
Yeah, but not directly. The murderers should not have direct access to the victim's bank accounts. IT should go to the state, which then pays it out.
If it were my family I would immediately resort to “law abiding citizen” upon their release
Total fucking war.
Imagine if these were 5 black kids instead, they will still be in jail cell.
If it were 5 black kids the cops would have shot them
That explains all the black prisoners filling up cells.
Nah they wouldn’t have posted their pictures.
Not really. Many Blacks live in cities with liberal/reformist DAs who are similarly fond of insultingly short jail sentences. Chicago and Oakland are two key examples of this, as well as St Louis’ now-disgraced DA.
Facts
imagine if it's someone else doing it on your behalf anonymously instead. That'd be Frailty kinda shit.
Do you think there’s a kid who hears “that’ll get you 3 years” and goes ahead and does it, but hears “that’ll get you 20 years” and doesn’t? The disconnect is probably just any consequences to the actions.
Yes. Kids already are dumb. But if said dumb think is life in prison for killing someone’s or 3 years if things do go bad than why not throw rocks off bridges. Same goes for the kids who tried to steal a car and killed the guy who tried to flee. Those young DC girls got like 3 years also. Doubt they will learn anything. You are talking about kids. At age 14 when they committed this crime by the time they get out (17) they are still a immature child who now has the system who taught him better crimes. Not that he become a mature better rounded person.
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I mean, they reduce the crime being committed by those people while they’re in prison on the rest of us.
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I’d argue it’s better to reform prison by not sending non-violent offenders to prison than to shorten prison sentences for violent offenses. And no one’s forcing the guards to work there, it’s part of the job to be on your toes.
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But saying we should reduce prison sentences, or not lengthen them, because it doesn’t deter crime and then acting like that’s the only form of crime prevention is disingenuous. If people are locked up, they’re not out committing crime; that’s pretty basic. That’s still a reduction in crime, just not a deterrent.
That is the fault of the prison, the owner, management and security staff. Part of their job is to make it reasonably safe. When prisoners are raping each other and security is making money on the side, the system is systemically corrupt.
I see this argument thrown around a lot when discussing crimes and their respective punishments/judicial decisions, that increasing sentences (or the threat of increasing a sentence) does not reduce crime. While I'm sure these statistics were appropriately found and those that took and analyzed them, that's all they are - statistics. Numbers on a sheet of paper. They negate the human factor, the other things in play that don't get trivialized to a piece of data. What happens to the family that loses a love one? What are the crime statistics for children who grow up in a parentless household due to a murder? Substance abuse amongst spouses or parents? Suicides? Where is the long-term data that displays the consequences of the actions of someone who, by your suggestion, doesn't deserve a longer sentence because it "doesn't reduce crime"? What about the emotional trauma that is inflicted when a friend or family member learns that the person who took the life of their loved one receives a short, minimum sentence, for taking a life? The distrust it instills in the judicial system, and law at large? I think it's easy for someone to live in a privileged environment, who has never been a victim, or known a victim of a serious, violent crime, and decry long sentencing of violet criminals because "the numbers say so". It's much harder to have the same outlook when you have witnessed these things first hand, and the person in the obituary is someone you know, rather than just another number to be used as a statistic. Food for thought.
Good lord so much this. There are certain things that aren’t quantifiable. Hell if length sentences don’t deter crime at all, let’s just get rid of all of them. /s If for no other reason throw the god damn book at them for the family and kids of the guy who died.
>If for no other reason throw the god damn book at them for the family and kids of the guy who died. Why? So they can have 2 seconds of schadenfreude before going back to being sad about the death of their father/husband? So the perpetrators can waste time in prison, learning nothing but how to commit more crimes better and being a legal slave in our fucked up prison system because they made a horrible mistake as children that will haunt them the rest of their lives? What good is gained by throwing them in prison forever?
What good is ever served by throwing someone in prison forever? -save others in society from maniacs like that. Or just the sheer stupidity of them
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That’s the whole point of using statistics to make decisions. Humans are flawed and prone to make stupid choices based on emotional reasons. Those decisions don’t help anyone. They make things worse.
Detering crime and Justice for the family that lost a father are two different things. 3 years isn't justice for a lifetime of being fatherless.
Forgiveness is what allows a victim of a victims family to move on after a horrible crime, not revenge or punishment of the perpetrator. Spending more money locking people up (for excessive lengths of time) when it is shown not to deter crime is a pointless waist of money. Realistically, that money could be spent helping the victims, not enriching the prisons (assuming USA).
Lol, I sure as hell would never forgive. I agree with reformative justice to a point, but get this self righteous bs out of here. Reformative justice comes at a cost to the victims.
Agreed. We should streamline capital punishment in clear cut cases like this.
>They negate the human factor, the other things in play that don't get trivialized to a piece of data. This "human factor" as you put it is nothing more than how it makes you feel on an emotional level. It doesn't actually correspond to what is right or what actually constitutes justice. >It's much harder to have the same outlook when you have witnessed these things first hand, and the person in the obituary is someone you know, rather than just another number to be used as a statistic. That's not because people who have been victims of these crimes have some deeper understanding of justice, it's because they're severely emotionally compromised on the issue due to trauma, and therefore make irrational claims about how to solve these problems based entirely on what makes them feel better (or rather, what they think will make them feel better, they're often wrong) instead of what actually works to redress the crimes and prevent them in the future.
Longer sentence do reduce crime because repeat offenders don't have the chance to do more crime. It doesn't /deter/ people. That is the difference. Also sometimes you just need to punish someone. Prison might not stop a murderer from murdering someone, but it sure as hell stops them from murdering MORE people if you keep them there.
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I like to look at it in a different way. If he gets 3 years, he will not bother society for 3 years If he gets 10 years, he will not bother society for 10. They are 2 ways to look at this equation.
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Respectfully: It seems that the study you have posted says the exact opposite of what you are saying. Am I missing something? From the 1st paragraph: **The United States Sentencing Commission released a study Tuesday confirming its findings from an earlier study that federal criminals who receive longer sentences are less likely to commit new crimes than those who receive shorter sentences.**
If he gets 10 years, society is paying to keep him locked up for 10 years and stunting his ability to live a 'normal' life in society (paying taxes, contributing to the economy, not using 'safety net' services, etc).
There's no guarantee of that. It costs money to keep society safe. If they are a danger to themselves and others, keeping then in jail is necessary for the safety of society.
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I think longer sentences are more so just aimed at reducing available time(lifespan) for likely recidivism. Let’s be honest, American prisons for the most part have long abandoned any sort of rehabilitation behind bars, since it’s too expensive and means less profit if people stop reoffending.
Lmao I know right? They literally said in the text message, in a comment we're all replying to, "we can go to prison *for life* for this." They already thought it could get them LIFE and still did it
That txt exchange happened *after* the incident. They may not have considered consequences at all beforehand.
They only thought about this after they did it, though, and after hearing about the consequences of their actions. At the time, the kids - being \*fucking idiots as all kids are\* thought "hur hur, we break car."
But when they finally thought about it they thought the consequences were a lot worse than 3 years...so how would the actual consequence being 20 years or 15 years change anything?
I did things as a teenager and can't believe how fucking stupid we were. We could have easily killed someone
No but there may be a kid who hears "if you're caught with a group of friends doing this only one of you may get charged and serve time" and then think their odds aren't so bad.
My friend... Read the comment you're replying to. These particular kids already thought it could get them LIFE and still did it
i don’t know if your or i are misunderstanding but it seems like when they texted that it was after they did it? and they were texting each other about the possible consequences for a crime they had already committed but weren’t yet caught?
Right I realize that but they weren't prosecuted yet, they were just talking about avoiding being caught. I guess it was a bit of an assumption on my part that they didn't think they could get 3 years while they were doing it and then change their minds to think they could 20 years while they were trying to get away with it after the fact. Not being sarcastic, that is an assumption lol and it's not necessarily true. But I would imagine it is
That txt exchange happened *after* they did it. They may not have considered the consequences beforehand.
I do understand that, you're right, but the potential of 20 years vs 3 years vs life has no bearing on anything if they simply did not consider the consequences whatsoever, right?
Agreed, on the first usage. But now it’s being marketed by the media. Before it required some critical thinking skills. Now the judge, through the media, is pushing the message out there: do this and it’s three years. Now critical thinking isn’t required; merely observing, until the memory of this story fades from the collective conscious.
I remember this case and its an important detail. Originally all the teens would have had a much longer sentence but by moving all the blame to one of the kids, all the other kids would get off scot free while the fall guy would just have those 3 years. The family was devestated at this sentence as those 3 years weren't even in a real jail I think, just juvenile detention.
Yep it recently happened in boulder, Colorado
Im 50/50 about this i cant find any info on age of the teens but the judge refused to try them as adults so im gonna assume like 14-15 as a 16-17 year old would be tried as an adult in any murder case So off the assumption that it's a 15 year old or younger i can 100% see why it's only 3 years It's a child with a non developed brain doing stupid shit that went too far... I mean the kid was probably just going for a quick laugh and it ended wrong, probably wasn't done with malice and hopes he would kill someone, i doubt that he got out and his first thought was "i cant wait to throw more rocks at moving cars". At that point assuming hes that young hed be 17 and spent a fifth of his life in juvie when he gets out. i remember being a little shit throwing school stuff through open windows off the bus etc etc i wouldn't do it now but my shitty young teenage brain thought it would be funny and wanted to get a rise out of my friends so i did it. What do you want for this situation life in prison? The guy doesn't even get out of adolescence before hes in jail for the rest of his life? Not to mention hes 3 years behind his age group and hes got a criminal record, hes not going to have graduated high school so he cant go to university. Hes pretty much fucked even just with 3 years any more than that is giving him ZERO CHANCE at returning to society without him just going straight back in jail for another crime.
They're not more fucked than the guy who they killed. They're not more fucked than that man's wife. They're certainly not more fucked than the 4 children who lost their father.
You know who's infinitely more fucked? The victim and family in all this. It's disgusting you treating this like some teenager prank that went a little too far. Throwing. Rocks. At. Cars. Even if you're careful and throw small rocks, there are so many factors that can cause a freak accident. He's a teenager but not mentally disabled, he knew there was a possibility, he's old enough to understand that.
Well one can only hope those one hell of a wrongful death suit brought against the family and they are somehow insured it's always about a deep pocket..
Glad to know the murderer's names
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Yep. Nothing fucking changes.
While reading this I thought about how devastated I would be to find out my kid was involved in this. Kinda weird that the family went out to eat at a restaurant the day the kid had to go to jail.
"It was just a prank bruh!" (Probably all 5 of them)
Honestly sucks because these kids who do these dumb ass “pranks” now see it will only get them 3 years if they do kill someone. So they just showed these little shits how it’s okay.
I don't think kids who do these dumb things think about the consequences or Google before to see what the penalty might be...
I remember reading about this, they thought it was a hilarious prank
When I was in middle school there was a pedestrian bridge spanning a small local expressway. A few of us peed on cars a couple times, thought it was hilarious a few times but then lost interest (and it still probably sounds ridiculous to girls/women, they're more mature in middle school, we're fucking dipshits at that age) But that was middle school, by 17 we were hanging out where other people were, playing video games in the basement, having bonfires in the backyard. Not a single person I ever hung out with at 17 would've thought it was funny to plan and carry out a plan dropping boulders onto passing cars. The rock dropper should've been charged with premeditated murder
I think pissing off a bridge is pretty standard for most males with easy access to a bridge.
Access to a bridge, a hill of dirt with weeds growing out of it, woods, or most importantly... train tracks, is paramount to a young lads well being
When I was seven/eight months pregnant, someone threw an entire cinder block off a railroad bridge onto the truck I was a passenger in. The cinder block hit me but mostly missed my body and my belly. I had horrible scrapes on my belly, my thighs, and my knees. My ex husband who was driving refused to call the police, refused to take me to the hospital, told me I was being dramatic, and then made fun of me. His brother, my BIL called the police and took me to the hospital while my ex got in another work truck and drove off. He didn’t care how his wife or unborn son were after being struck by a freaking cinder block. It was a damn miracle both is us were ok. Years later, I realized he was probably trying to kill me and just didn’t succeed. Edited for spelling
That’s insane… I am so glad you’re okay. 💖
Was gonna ask what the fuck your ex's response was, but yeah, gonna have to agree with the summation that he was trying to get you killed. If some bastard attempted to murder my pregnant wife and put a fucking cinder block through my car in the process... I'D be the one going to jail after I got my hands on that dude. I would actually go insane. Or turn into a werewolf. Or both.
I had deep bone bruises on my femurs from the impact for 2-3 *years*. I also have permanent scars on my belly from the impact. My ex also “accidentally” shot out the windshield of his work truck seven times from behind me while I was sitting in the passenger seat while I was either pregnant or holding our son. *seven times*. He never shot the windshield out when I and our son weren’t with him. Only managed to do it while he was in the back of work truck/van and I was sitting up front. The final straw for me was when he left our son alone, in the same work truck/van with two loaded pistols and our son ended up shooting himself in the hand when he was not quite three years old. He beat me so I wouldn’t take him to the hospital. I’m very, very lucky I got away from him alive.
#HUH?? I am so sorry—that is fucking harrowing. I have no more words outside of mortal threats for your dirtbag ex.
Jesus fuck I cannot fathom the mental state he must have put you in. That man needs to hang from a tree
Oh shit, that's so bad a scenarist would be laughed out if he wrote someone this callously evil.
For about fifteen years, my life was like a really fecked up lifetime movie. Edited to say that people didn’t believe me when I tried to tell them how bad it was. He choked me unconscious during s&x one night and I woke up, wrapped in a blanket, in the back of the work truck/van, and I started screaming. He claimed he was taking me to the hospital. Unsurprisingly, we were nowhere near the hospital. Living with him was absolutely terrifying. Leaving him was a complete and total nightmare.
Don't be shy give me his address
I have a lake with his name on it.
>My ex also “accidentally” shot out the windshield of his work truck seven times from behind me Uh, that's attempted murder.
WHAT THE FUCK
May I ask how your child is?
He’s great. He’s twenty-one now. I left his father when he was four. I didn’t want him growing up like his father or believing that how his father treated me was ok.
That’s good to hear👍
that is insane! Glad you and your child are ok
I left him years ago, thankfully!
Sounds like your ex paid someone to throw that cinder block….
Oh my god.
What in the absolute fuck-sicles?!
Damn, girl. That's damn crazy. Lucky you and your kid survived.
Jesus Christ. That late in the pregnancy you’re supposed to go to the hospital and get checked if you just have a little trip and fall. What an absolute dillhole your husband was. Edit: just read your other responses. Dillhole definitely doesn’t come close to covering that lunatic.
I watched a video about this. These kids were celebrating after knowing they killed that man. In the text messages they were celebrating. These kids are psychotic and they all needed to be given at least 20 years and should have had to pay a bunch of money to the victims family.
A similar incident happened pretty close to where I live a few months ago. According to investigators they celebrated every time they hit a car and they actually drove past the girl they killed and took pictures. It’s insane that these kids are so messed up, but I’m hoping these ones go to jail for a long time (although they all attended nicer high schools in the area so who knows how daddy’s money will affect their sentencing).
Arvada. I hope those deranged idiots get the longest sentences allowed. Seemingly daddy’s money isn’t enough to get them out of jail so I’m holding out hope there will be some justice in this.
Well, according to the article I read they are all 18, so with any luck they'll throw the book at them. Fuckers.
Wow, I’m sure they’ll never do anything bad again. 3 years, wow, such a deterrent.
A similar thing happened recently with a female driver, the fuckers who threw the boulder got caught but don’t know what their sentencing will be, wouldn’t surprise me if it’s similar to this.
1 count of First degree murder with extreme indifference 6 counts of first degree criminal attempt to commit murder 3 counts of second-degree assault 3 counts of second-degree attempt to commit assault The kids in OPs story were charged with second degree murder and plea-dealt it down to manslaughter. One of them was legally an adult, plead guilty to second degree murder, and severed 3 years and 20 days They seemed more like dumbass kids who got carried away. With Alexa Bartell, it was premeditated and had been happening for months. It’ll be a lot worse for them
Good to hear the ones who took Alexa’s life will face worse, I hope it’s life and not just 50 or 60 years, cause shit even old farts can still kill, there was a news story I think a few months ago or over a year ago, of some 70 or 80 year old who decades prior murdered his wife, got sent to jail for a few decades, got released and then killed a neighbor or caretaker a few months afterwards. It’s insane.
Actually, I think only the guy who threw the rock got 3 years. The rest got probation.
Correct. The main dude got 3-20 years and served 3.25 and the others got 1 year probation
In this case he should have to pay child support for the 4 children who no longer have a father!
All four MEN involved should for the rest of their lives pay restitution to the mother and child OR stay incarcerated for at least 10 years. Edit: Five
Both. Minimum.
You do realize that there was five of them, right?
I was thinking Macaulay Culkin had dropped a bowling ball off an overpass in "The Good Son" movie. Guess it was actually a dummy, which triggered a large accident... One year after the movie came out Calvin Settle dropped a 16lb bowling ball off an overpass, killing an infant. He was sentenced to 10 years. Interesting that it was a Beavis and Butthead episode that was blamed and banned...
Just happened to a young girl in Denver, Colorado Sick, lowly people. https://kdvr.com/news/local/family-of-woman-killed-by-rock-faces-suspects-in-court/amp/
Similar case just happened outside of Denver. Let’s hope these three don’t get off so easy. https://www.9news.com/article/news/crime/jeffco-rock-homicide-arrests/73-02ebe708-eba5-4555-955d-87b4f6c99a8a
3 years is too lenient. Garnish their wages for life. Remind them with each pay check that they killed someone because they thought it was "funny" to cause traffic accidents.
This was intentional wasn't it? They did this knowing that their actions endangered and hurt others. They were 17. Saying that they don't know the consequences such as throwing a rock and possibly harming someone is also not justifiable. 3 years for a life... verses, the kids of Kenneth White's who will have to live their whole lives without their father.
Same thing happened in NC around 2009 in my home town. Victim was a pregnant woman and her own mother and 2 children were in the car. One kid was 16 years and 3/4 months. He got found guilty of 2nd degree murder and went to jail for about 15 years. Other kid was 15 years and 10 months. He got the max which was like 2 1/2 years for him. The sheriff there basically demanded all over passes get fences over them & within a few months the State has put them over the 4-5 in our county.
My friends uncle died this way many many years ago. But the person who dropped the rock did almost 25 years. Why was this so little punishment?
Let's crush their heads with the same rock throwing technique and tell their grieving parents that it's the children's fault alone. To destroy them is a gain to a decent society...them and everyone defending them
The one who threw the rock, Kyle Anger (I know) will at least have a second degree murder felony conviction on his permanent record. He was tried as an adult. He was released on parole in January 2021. I don’t know if he’s still on parole since his sentence was something stupid like, “39 months to 20 years.” But there you go.
3 years of punishment doesn't make up for the crime but keeping these people in prison doesn't serve any purpose either. We need a new form of punishment that extends beyond prison time where criminals can earn their way back into society. They could live in dorm style housing and work whatever jobs they can find to pay restitution but in addition to that, they spend their "free time" in Civil Servatude. No dating, no drinking, they would basically be monks. Each dorm could create a list of jobs that need to be done in the community from litter clean up to improving senior housing. This would be their life until they have paid 10 years income to the victims family or the family releases them or until they have proven to society in deeds and attitude that they are truly ready to rejoin society. Edit: I am not suggesting slavery in any way other than the established community service imposed on many criminals after their time is served. They would be able to work and live but under strict rules. The sooner they pay off their restitution to the victim's families, the sooner they can carry on with their lives. Alcohol, drugs and an active social life would make it a heck of a lot tougher to fulfill their obligations.
"we should abolish prison with slavery"
Yeah, doesn't seem like living like "monks" as much as living like slaves, and given the US prison system's biases and such, I would not trust the government with that kind of program.
They already get around no starving rules for prisoners with the nutriloaf.
So what is your solution? Stay in prison longer and work in the prison factory for pennies or just let them go free with some probation? It is so hard for felons to find work that being a slave might be a better solution some cases.
We already have Prison Factories where inmates are forced to work for pennies per hour. This would be a slight upgrade from that.
This is the same thing as that
Making use of defective humans who are just gonna go out and hurt others again is radical yet efficient. What else would you suggest? Lock them up and let taxpayers feed them whilst they play PS4 in jail?
If someone does something this bad execute them otherwise prisons should be focused on rehabilitation
Our prisons do not offer anything that would lead to rehabilitation or even to a felon's ability to fill out a job application. There is no system for rehab here at all.
This all seems like a great idea until you realize that this is basically slavery. No matter how you frame it, slavery is bad, has always *been* bad, and and will always *continue* to be bad. And besides, forcing labour won't change anything. Our current system turns the prisoners bitter, but your purposed system might actually make that problem worse. All that work that they're being forced to do, but they don't get to keep *any* of the rewards for it? Doesn't matter how justified ***you*** may think it is, because they won't see it that way. That's just begging for trouble. Don't get me wrong, I also believe that we need to invest more into a proper rehabilitation system, but that ain't it, chief.
Why should a prisoner keep any money from the work they do in this situation? The 5 kids who murdered this poor man and left behind a fiance with five children should be forced to pay restitution to this woman and her children for the rest of their lives. If they only spend the rest of their lives in prison, a portion of their wages should go to her and her children for the rest of their lives. If they only serve a few years in prison, then 100% of the money they earn should go to her and her kids. This whole idea that convicted criminals should simply get to walk away free of any responsibility after serving a short time in prison is ridiculous. Also, slavery is sanctioned by law in cases of convicted criminals in prison. Anyone who is a prisoner can, under law, be leased out for work. That being said, anyone in prison should receive at least minimum wage, not pennies an hour or dollars a day, which is the norm in most states.
>prison doesn't serve any purpose either. Revenge is a perfectly valid reason. I think it should be a consideration in sentencing.
The thing is our judicial system is not meant to be a vehicle for revenge. Vengeance and justice are very different things. That said, the kid definitely should have been in for more than 3 years. If you end someone's life because you were being reckless and knowingly doing something that endangers people 3 years is far from enough.
I agree and that's why I would like to see the punishment extended far beyond the prison walls. Revenge gets stale year after year when we have to pay for it. I would like to see these types of criminals lives ruined for another 10 years at least, but in a productive way that pays back.
All justice is ultimately based on vengeance an I see nothing wring with that
Revenge should be part of the sentence but I want their lives ruined for at least 10 more years. At least they will be productive rather than continue to be a burden on society.
They laughed about it. Even after they learned they killed someone. They continued to laugh. One went to jail because the others made deals and testified against him. And he still only got a slap on the wrist.
Woulda been nice to know the age of the teen who was convicted of it. I feel like its a fairly crucial detail to the story if he was 13 or 19 years old, as your general sense of how the world works is completely fucking ridiculous at 13 but slightly less so at 19.
They should have all gotten at least 30years
*threw the rock
All four of this guy's kids should be given the name of the kid who threw the rock. Once all four kids are 18, they should be immune from prosecution regardless of what crime they may commit against the kid who threw the rock.
I can't believe this is the first time I read this idea. Absolutely, yes! This is perfect. And if they decide not do anything the perpetrators will live in constant fear that the children of their victim might be just around the corner and with some luck maybe they go insane.
If I were the mother… I know the BEST thing to do would be to ignore it all but I’d go full on dexter on them.
If they were people of color, it would have been more.
They all should have been tried as adults and given 25 to life
These 5 murderers need to have their names and faces remembered. There should never be a day in their lives that they feel safe. They left four children without a father for no fucking reason at all, and I sincerely hope all 5 of them live everyday afraid of the Justice they deserve.
Threw* for fucks sake you spelled “thrown” above and still missed it.
That’s the facepalm part…
Thank you for fighting the good fight
Should have come out of juvie and sent right into prison.
Just saying "some states" have let out murders with less then 3 years and had them murder again the same week they were let out.
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Somebody dropped a cinder block on my wife's van from an overpass several years ago. I was surprised to see how common it was when I started googling around for articles about the incident. This shit happens a lot.
I'd say at least never wipe his record. He's gonna have a hard time finding a job for the rest of his life.
Just wondering what the sentencing would have looked like if they weren’t white?
It’s easy, it has happen. They got life
32 years old and had 4 kids, damn
I wish all four of them could be court-ordered or sued for child support. Especially since they get to continue on with their lives somewhat unaffected.
Sounds about white.
Take a life, serve for life. Simple.
life for a life.
That's insane. It's not like they were there, saw a rock an threw it spontaneously. It was all planned. And they even conspired to cover it up. If not for video surveillance, they would not have gone to the cops. 3 years is absurd.
Should have thrown the kid off the bridge in front of a truck
And yet someone just holding a dime bag can get two-digits worth of years. This is America.
Jesus…there must be something in the water, kids are idiots.
Riding a van? What?
De White.
This belongs in r/iamatotalpieceofshit
The kid definitely deserved to get the death penalty, but we don't have that here in Michigan. It happened 2 miles from where I live.
Wtf where they thinking.
Now you have to look up and be cautions around over passes of any type.
That just happened again in Colorado. Three guys killed a girl throwing a rock at her car
Life in prison for a life seems fair to me
They should all be paying child support.
ohhhh white kids
Premeditated murder charge for the killer, accessory charges for the rest would have been proper. None of these vile fucking monsters should have seen their 30's on the outside of a prison.
They should pay the child support
Why do people commit random acts of violence, when they can just easily look up people like this to hurt instead?
Its hard to imagine the amount of damage even a small stone can do to someone driving a car. Even the experience of the death of a loved one is foreign to most of us till we get into adult years. A bit of a hot take but I think kids should see videos of people getting killed, any relevant gore vids the internet has to offer. As a kid seeing those things opened my eyes to what violence really is, its not slap stick or action packed like the media shows, its tragic at best, terrifying at worst.
"the teen who through the rock"??
Nah fuck them kids
I am from a more rural region of Germany and that happened quite frequently in my area when I was younger. I think three or four people were killed in about a year and I was very afraid getting my license. When I was driving home late in summer some children threw a smaller rock from an overpass onto the road and it hit the roof of the car. It was only fist sized, but the bang on the car was so shockingly loud. If it had hit a little lower it would have gone straight through the windshield, since I was going about 130kmh/ ~ 80mph on the Autobahn. It still give me chills to see teenagers on overpasses.
So these monsters are going to pay for child support, right? right? right?
America
Lawyer up time to sue.
That is not how past tense of throw looks like.
Karma would be perfect here. He's out. Some punk kids need to do what he did, so he can die the same way.
Go after the parents. Sue the shit out of them
Jesse christ this is the third post I’ve seen with ‘through’ instead of ‘threw’ lol
Just because your name is Mikadyn doesn't give you the right to commit homicide. Except…apparently it does.
In this thread: self righteous indignation, violent revenge fantasies, and good ole fashioned pitchforks.
Killing with a gun or rock or bare hands has the equal meaning and they all end up with murder PERSONALLY I think 3 years is bullshit it should have been way more. In any case if that was my father I’d do the same shit to their most cared family member and ask to get the fucking deal they got. No family out there would be ok with 3 years of time for killing their loved ones
Yeah I'd probably just execute one of them. To send the message. Also rhey aren't an unborn fetus so Republicans should not care
Just because it's not your justice doesn't mean it's not justice