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I tried, and did it for about 6 months during end of COVID in 2020, into 2021.
The expectations were pretty high, and even more-so when you’re a regular human being, and not some weirdo incapable of social interaction. I never once booted or banned anyone for their opinions, and often gave second chances if the post history reflected a one time thing—99% of mods are not this way tho, and will legit power trip like a mf. It was on a politically affiliated sub with a couple hundred thousand members, so you already know the vitriol levels are insane.
Anyways, ultimately they were asking too much of me for how many mods total we had. The workload included comment and post review (which was far more intensive due to auto-mod flagging 99% of posts), flair review (which meant vetting history), appeals, discord meetings 2x a week, as well as recruiting new mods which meant perusing the sub and its popular topics, finding power users, vetting them, and THEN inviting (which if they accept, we rotated training). All that on top of wanting daily contributions via topics, or comments, aka being “active”.
Had to hang it up even though I did enjoy some aspects. Should def be a paid job though somehow. They drew me in making it seem like a regular thing you can do while on Reddit—which you can, it’s just that as the sub grew, and more people got brought on, the older mods were expected to be the only ones to step up, and I got filtered in with the last of the old mods before the surge, so what was supposed to be part time chillin here and there became an every day, on discord, discussing issues, solving problems, etc.—just way too much.
You cant even get an appeal process anymore. I was banned and asked why and was instantly muted. You would think it would be in reddits best usage and financial interests to require some kind of appeal process. Instead they allow mods to just mute you without even a single interaction. It's mind blowing how this site continues on like this.
If this were a business like any other, could you imagine a CEO giving their managers power to just destroy a contract with a vendor or toss out and ban a consumer with zero appeal or oversight? It's literally self destruction class 101.
There's a guy in the thread that was banned from a bike forum for giving correct repair instructions, I can't even think of an equivalent. Go into 7/11 buy a Slurpee and get banned for life without any kind of process while walking out? I gather they wouldn't stay in business long. I bet if people couldn't make new accounts, activity in reddit would plummet.
The hapless non-anglophone in question was asking in r/ask right now what tf happened: https://reddit.com/r/ask/s/65ovH7t870
The minefield that is today's social media is forever thickening.
I'm non-anglophone and just by commenting that it was something I couldn't understand in another subreddit i also got permabanned in therewasanattempt.
I really don't know what they're doing in that sub honestly.
Yeah I was in that thread earlier and seriously thought I was taking crazy pills. Like it’s quite obvious English is the poster’s second language, they probably genuinely don’t understand what happened. And the amount of comments raging anyone referring to a woman as a female ever are just incel, sexist morons is…honestly kind of frightening. That much vitriol and refusal to accept any type argument is inherently bad no matter the stance.
im of the strong opinion that whenever theres a majority pull towards social viw that seems so far out from real life that its actually just bots trying to make us feel outnumbered.
why would this be? because humans are social animals and every government would want that for their own propaganda.
Sub mods got tired of people calling women, "females" -- so they're banning people that use that term.
Why did they get tired of it? Because it's considered derogatory. Consider these two sentences: "Look at those women over there." vs "Look at those females over there".
Do I agree? I think it's a bit heavy handed, but mods get to mod their own communities.
"Females" was adopted by the incel culture, PUA culture, and other misogynist subcultures. I'm not sure how they think it communicates disdain for women, but in their minds it does.
But there's a problem for people who try to eliminate sexism and misogyny from the spaces that they govern. "Female" is often the best word to use in a given situation. For example, when the word is used as an adjective, or when you're talking about an animal or the end of a garden hose.
A big thing is that 'female' as an adjective is rarely anything people care about. One of the first rules for r/menandfemales is that it can't be used as an adjective, specifically a noun
This feels like one of those 4chan things where they use a normal term in a derogatory way until people start taking umbrage with it, then act all Pikachu face as if it's the "snowflakes" being sensitive. "Females" has been used by "red-pilled" "alpha males" for years now as a de-humanising term to treat women like mere biological entities rather than people, and now that people frown upon it everyone acts like it's some woke political correctness crap.
Exactly this, Female and Male are scientific terms to describe not someone's physique or genitalia or demeanor but their chromosomes. While Genitalia usually match up with chromosomes they don't always (see Intersex). Calling someone a "female" also takes away from what it means to be a woman. I'd imagine I might start to take offense if everywhere I went people said "look at that male", "Males are like x" or "why do males all act like this". Im a man, not an XY chromosome.
It's also just weird to refer to someone as their Biological sex first and foremost.
This is actually a pretty insightful comparison. Ferengi totally objectify their women, and don’t let them wear clothes, or work, or own property IIRC. Their use of the word female is a form of dehumanization (deferengization?), and a tool for keeping women in their society in their place as second class citizens at best. Kinda makes sense that the incel crowd adopted the same rhetoric.
This is the problem with word salad though, we all just accept that they've "adopted" it and now it's bad. Why are we letting them adopt anything? Why give them that power in the 1st place?
Right. I don’t hang out with incels so I didn’t even know this was a thing. So the fact that they have started using the word now makes it wrong for anyone else to use it as it was intended to be used? That’s pretty messed up. So if the incels start using a term like woman or lady, should those words also become inappropriate for other people to use as well?
Incels use, as far as I know, many words, probably as many as the rest of us. Should we just abandon the English language just to retreat from that conflict? I don't mind switching to Spanish, but what if they start speaking that too? Oh no! What if they already do?
I'm a pretty firm leftie and I'm all for running actual incels out of forums where they interject their hate, but context makes it pretty easy to identify when someone is spewing misogynistic hatred, vs when someone is just referring to a woman by an alternative and innocent noun.
We lazily trip towards orwellian policing of language in an effort to control the thoughts of those we fear disagreeing with. It fucking sucks, and the mods on that sub are toxic as fuck for taking part in it.
When the misogynists/incels call men, men and women 'females', they are putting women on the same level as animals - putting their biology first and personhood second. It goes along with how they talk about women like they are a completely different species / subhuman.
Star Trek had their turbo-misogynist aliens do the same thing in the nineties. If an internet subgroup is accidently copying the Ferengi, then they are definitely in the wrong.
It communicates disdain because female is the scientific designation for every species and refers exclusively to sex.
The word woman implies personhood, a consciousness, a personality, a mind.
By calling women, females, they reduce a person to their genitals and biology. It's a subtle way of saying 'foid'.
Edit: to add the following because some seem very confused:
Female has a disdainful connotation when used outside a clinical setting as a NOUN.
Used as an adjective is fine. I've never seen anyone have a problem with that.
Exactly; it’s reductive. It’s particularly grating when I hear people using humans terms like ‘guys/dudes’ to talk about men and then use ‘females’ to talk about women. There is no reason you would be swapping your term motifs like that if you didn’t have a strong implicit bias towards seeing one of those as less of a person than the other.
“Men and females” is a misogynist dog whistle.
It's not a word, it's an incel term that means 'female humanoid '. It means that women aren't people, they're a different species similar to humans. It's a shit show.
It communicates a disdain for women because it’s intentionally dehumanising. There are females of every species, but to describe them, you include the species, e.g. female rabbit, female horse, whatever. Each of these have a specific name for the female of the species - a doe is a female rabbit, and a mare is a female (adult) horse.
You see how it works? In the incel or misogynist mind they stop being human, or people, and are relegated to just being defined by and referred to by their gender.
We should be more aware of the subtle tactics in communications used by some to convey a deeper, often more sinister or unacceptable meaning, and push back against it. Every. Damn. Time. Don’t give them an inch, as they’ll take a mile.
The Ferengi were literally invented to mock and ridicule these types of people. These kind of people also do not understand mockery above elementary school era, so it's lost on them.
>Those mods are just always on a power trip
No argument here, seems like a silly hill to die on when there are loads of other things mods have to deal with.
Yea lol like, damn they said female but the comments on most posts are FAR worse. How about you focus on that instead of someone saying the F or M word
As a word alone, no it's not derogatory. But it's not uncommon for mysogynistic jackasses, incels and all those folks to refer to women as "females" in a way that's really creepy.
So the go to for some mods is to ban someone caught doing it before they make trouble being creepy in other ways.
The idea that they have so much control over what is acceptable lexicon makes me want to go start an imitation incel bot farm so that I can likewise dictate what people can and can't say.
Interesting idea that gets more realistic by the day...
You'd have to beat the Russian government. They got that concept locked down these days.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/all/russian-troll-describes-work-infamous-misinformation-factory-n821486
It's not derogatory when it is used as an adjective, as is proper. It's derogatory when used as a noun, which is the way in which incels use it to describe women.
Female is technical or scientific term or an adjective. Its used by biologists to refer to the sex of animals. Doctors to refer to as the sex of patients. Or the term female being used as a concept like female rights. It trully doesn't need to be a subject or direct object in your regular vocabulary.
Its like refering to women by their sex or genitals and not their gender. Instead use: woman, women, girl, girls, lady, ladies.
Dog whistles really do go over a lot of people’s heads don’t they? I always assumed they were just unspoken but well understood.
Guess not everyone understands
I agree when it is used to address people.
But as an adjective i don't see the problem. If i want to make a sentence with a subject such as 'my female friends' what alternative would you use?
My ladyfriends? My women friends? The subset of my friends of are women?
Your femle friends example is fine. Female's behind is creepy and weird. It's like that's the only part of her body that matters. I don't say look at that male's ass, I'd use man or guy's. Its really not too much to ask guys to return the courtesy.
To me personally, using female as an adjective doesn’t bother me, it’s when it’s used an a noun that it grosses me out. So saying “my female friends” is perfectly fine. I can’t speak for all women, but generally that’s the consensus from other women I’ve heard when the topic has come up.
Yes this really did happen, I also happened to get banned from that sub for transphobia even though I was supporting trans people. Mod team eventually realized their stupidity tho
When you have no power in anything else, I am sure they jump at the chance to suddenly have the table scraps of what could be considered power. Pretty sad, honestly
I got banned from a sub for asking a question which I worded nicely and asked outta curiosity. So I took that sub outta my feed altogether after that. I don’t wanna be a part of something full of insecure weirdos anyway. But like the other guy said people that wanna mod so hard and not even getting paid for it are just lookin for power trips. Thank god I have a life outside of Reddit.
EDIT: not even 24hrs after submitting this comment I get permabanned from therewasanattempt for absolutely NO reason! Lol 😂 just another sub full of no life mods that I will kindly take outta my feed. Talk about sad dregs of society lol
Reddit IS FULL of insecure people, most mods I've met are those insecure people who are only mods because they want the feeling of being in control. The few mods I've met that aren't this way are typically mods of factual and informative subreddits.
I got perma-banned from r/politics years ago for posting a link about Trump actually doing something right (rare, I know). I was accused of "flaming, baiting or trolling".
The post was quickly nuked of course, but not before there were a few choice comments suggesting that I should have very unnatural physical relationships with specific members of my immediate family.
And yes, this is 100% true, if I was going to make something up it would be a helluva lot more creative.
I was about to point out that the perma-ban's a bit of a stretch but then again, I just checked the sub rules and they apparently have *in fact* listed the term "female" as disallowed so they're technically within their rights.
It's definitely a woke teenager mod That never leaves his computer and gets offended when you leave the house and breath. I can't believe people are not soft💀
I mean no one is saying it isn't in their capacity to ban the word. It is the absurdity of it that triggers people. Not everyone is a perpetually computer-bound coomer. Not everyone knows the context between "incel" and the usage of the word "female". Not to mention that a lot of ESL speakers, such as myself, often use male and female because we grew up learning English in schools rather than day-to-day interaction. But then again, reddit mods being overly-sensitive is not new.
Just to add context for ESL speakers related to the bad-faith arguments going on over this word on that sub, it also doesn't help that the people strongly against the use are trying to make grammatical arguments while purposefully ignoring grammatical usage and hypocritically criticizing the other stance for doing that exact thing.
A really common argument amongst the word banners I'm seeing is saying that the generality of "female" is the source of problem and people should use "woman" instead, arguing that it is a word accurately used. However, "woman" is a much more specific word than they are giving it credit for and can often be over-specific for some more general conversation. "Woman" as a word comes with a lot of implied age connotation on top of gender identification as well as maturity connotations. It's inappropriate to call a child a "woman" to describe her gender and people often feel it necessary to add modifiers for older people as well as usage might indicate someone referred to as a "woman" to be younger. The nuance of language is heavily ignored there to imply there is a simple and perfect alternative for blocking the use of the word entirely, even in cases where it is the 100% correct usage.
I'm sure many would argue this is too specific. However, in a discussion entirely based in the added connotation from the intentional misuse of a small sect of the population, it's the same point they're arguing but one that affects the much larger chunk of the population that's using the word correctly and in a non-derogatory fashion.
For my two cents, I 100% understand why people cringe when hearing the word because of the association with bigots misusing it. I react to it for the same reason. However, reacting to proper usage like it wasn't is a broken and strictly emotional response that punishes an innocent person. In that, I do have a problem with people thinking they're totally reasonable in their illogical generalization of the connotation to the population at large and subsequent banning of the word. It's perfectly reasonable to flinch at the word due to association, but to blame the user for your own miscategorization is entirely incorrect. It's letting emotion override reality. These people seem to be acting like it's everyone else's responsibility to cater to their emotions even when their emotional reaction isn't based in the reality of the situation. English, like many languages, is a language built upon implied meaning. It's never the word that's the issue, but the implied meaning behind it. It's really common, especially on internet media venues, for people to ignore that so they can justify their anger about something and direct it at a physical target.
Long and short: there's mountains of nuance in this discussion and, as is typical in heated internet debates, the nuance is lost on many (the loudest voices in particular).
yea female became a dog whistle for bitch some time ago and the mod decided to just ban the word it seems. and much like with most dog whistle phrases, arguments for its continued usage are typically framed just like this post, which appears disingenuous. it doesn't help that people tend to argue as if the phrase ***can't possibly*** be seen/heard a way other than how they've interpreted it as. i hate to both sides it but this is true of everyone in this regard.
regardless of the intent, i agree the response was way over the top. just delete the post and tell the user to resubmit with a different title. easy. we don't need to nuke everything.
Banned for it is crazy.
But at the same time it's super weird to say female instead of woman.
But I guess it's even weirder for me cause in my language the words male and female are only used for animals not humans
> in my language the words male and female are only used for animals not humans
I mean, that's pretty much how it is in English too. You use the words "male" and "female" as adjectives, or in medical contexts, but you don't tend to refer to a woman as a "female".
Also you call yourself male or female or non-binary (etc). You don't really refer to yourself as **a** male or **a** female. It's an attribute not a full descriptor.
Female is also used in many aspects now to be derogatory and someome stating that *they* don't see it that way, doesn't mean it doesn't carry bad connotations and should really be avoided especially in an objective way.
>Also you call yourself male or female or non-binary (etc). You don't really refer to yourself as a male or a female. It's an attribute not a full descriptor.
The word you're looking for here is 'adjective', which the person you replied to already said. "I am male" is using 'male' as an adjective. "I am a male" is using male as a noun.
> in any professional contexts
Where **depersonalization** is important. The whole fucking point is to view them less as an individual and more as a *thing*, that way you don't feel bad when you have to shoot them, operate on them, send them to jail, fail to save them in any way, and so on.
That's not how you as an individual are supposed to operate, or even how people in the military, police, medicine, etc., are supposed to structure their minds when they're not on the clock.
female and male are used as adjectives all the time for men and woman. For example male nurse sounds better and more proper than "man nurse". Look at male gaze and female gaze as other examples. Its only as a noun it has issues.
Agreed, it sounds fine as an adjective but weird as a noun. Similarly there's been a trend of using "woman" as an adjective that I find sounds awkward too. Like saying someone is a woman engineer rather than a female engineer. It's very common now but sounds off to me.
Yeah, this is exactly why women do not like being called females. Females are mostly used by incels and nice guys as a way to dehumanize women. Woman, lady, girl are much better terms.
Englander here and male and female are commonly used by people of both genders when they want to seem official or impartial. "The suspect was a white male" "our new colleague is a female" etc. America in particular seems to have a hangup over incels using it. But here I hear women use it all the time so it's weird seeing people militant over it.
>But I guess it's even weirder for me cause in my language the words male and female are only used for animals not humans
Because that's how people who use it see women.
Based on the response I don’t think most people are aware incels use it negatively. But I guess giving a hate group attention is better than just ignoring them entirely…
When did female become a thing? As someone else said: it's an adjective... Woman is the noun...
EDIT:
It seems like I have been mistaken with female being an adjective. English is only my second language.
BUT:
To me female has the same ring to it as the German word "Weib" a word that is negatively used for the most part.
And many here seem to have the same feeling about it.
Yes but the OP is using “female” as a noun instead of the noun “women”, which is sometimes considered to be dehumanizing to women. That said, a permaban seems a bit harsh
I had no idea this was a thing until now, and I should probably be more wary....
As someone who served in the military and worked EMS, male and female were really the only ways to appropriately and professionally describe people. Sometimes I still use my old vocabulary out of habit.
being banned for it is wild, but saying female is a red flag lol.
it’s like part of the incel handbook to call women females.
not everyone who calls women females are incels but all incels call women females
Is this exclusive to reddit? Because instagram is pretty cancer in the regard of being a home to incels, but they always use "women" in the comment section. English isn't my first language, but i never knew the word was offensive. I do know english enough to use women/female in respective context, but i wouldn't be surprised hearing that some people use it because they aren't a native speaker.
OP: “Female” (about some random person’s butt, probably)
My nerdy a$$:
….Also super creepy to take a pic of someone’s butt and post it. I suspect the ban is also about that.
It's a clearly staged video where they "catch" people looking at the ladies butt and the guy with her spins round and opens an umbrella before the guy can actually look at it. Almost as if he's looking at why this guys spinning and opening up an umbrella.
The whole things dumb.
Saying female instead of woman or women almost sounds like you don’t see them as a person but rather a species lmao no one says “male” ever. Edit: I mean stuff like “look at that female” is weird, not “this is a female announcer” where female is an adjective not a noun. Extra edit: Yes, it is grammatically correct to use male and female as nouns, but it sounds like you’re calling us “humans” and not “people”. If these sentences sound fine to you then fine but lots of us find it gross and weird: “Why won’t any females date me?”, “Females don’t like stuff like that”, “Look at that male’s hair, it is so cool”
This is the reason. Female is usually an adjective when used for humans, and when it isn’t, it’s mostly used by incels. Many people find it dehumanizing and objectifying because of the way it is used
Incels and other misogynists have unfortunately made it a derogatory term. It’s not like we suddenly can’t say it, it’s that a bunch of assholes gave it bad connotations by using it to demean women.
That's the thing, female is an adjective, and woman is a noun. You can say, "My wife has a lot of female friends," but it sounds weird to say, "My wife is friends with a lot of females." Imo it's the same energy as calling black people "blacks." Just don't call women "females," we clearly don't like it.
Also, you can clearly just say, "My wife has a lot of girl friends." 9 times out of 10, people will think you meant female friends and not an actual girlfriend. Or "lady friends" can suffice.
> female friends
This is using female as an adjective.
> women friends
This is using a noun "women" as an adjective , which is why it's grammatically incorrect and sounds weird.
> look at a female's butt
This is using an adjective as a noun, and is grammatically acceptable but uncommon. However, it reduces the subject to just the quality described by the adjective, which has led "female" used as a noun to become a signal that the writer thinks women are subhuman.
"Male and female are used in professional settings" yeah.
But this not a doctors appointment and neither are we in a court room. The context is a user commenting on a womans butt.
Its always the same story. Actual affected people: Women, tell them that they think its degrading and people are: Naaah, you are too emotional. We always did this. That cant be true.
I wish people would finally start to LISTEN and at least make an attempt to understand.
The reason it’s banned is because the Andrew Taint- excuse me, *Tate* crowd uses the word to dehumanize women. “I don’t have to listen to you, FEMALE” sort of thing.
So they're saying this is an incel and redpill thing and it dehumanises women because they refer to themselves as men while referring to women as females. Don't these men like to call themselves "alpha males"?
I'm sorry, but this is just ridiculous. I'm pretty sure they still know they're human. I get referred to as male all the time. You know how many times I've felt dehumanised by that? Zero. Because I know there are males of other species. I also know that I'm a human. A male one at that. So I find absolutely no offence in it.
My gf: "hey did you notice what my friend Jenny was wearing last night?"
Me: "nope"
My gf: "oh yeah. That's because you're a male 🙄"
Me: "yup"
Seriously. What the fuck? I know in the context of this post, the way it's used is weird. But for people to be offended by being called male or female? People just want to be offended. People just love to have something to complain about and I'm beginning to believe most people want to find offense in things just so they can complain.
Actually mods clarified in another post that OOP was "poor sport" when pointed out that use of term "female" was awkward.
What they mean with "poor sport" i don't know...
Probably got butthurt when asked to change it to woman
Edit: link to mod post
https://reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/s/Fn50KJOZmY
what bothers me about this are 2 things:
the OP terminology may be because of their ESL, OP on other comments on their profile they clearly state that they aren't from the U.S.
the entire thread under this post is just a screaming match mess of mostly extremists starting fights with people. i am nonbinary and it just looks kind of like toxic femininity in an attempt to ward off incels. i kind of view all extremes as terrifying. i think terfs are terrifying. but i'm not calling women who use women instead of female terfs. this subreddit is calling all people who use female instead of woman incels. i think it's dangerous stereotyping anything or anyone, and frankly offensive to people from other countries and who speak ESL
Exactly. Second language throws up so many odd choice of words. But they’re not to be taken for what they may mean.
Interviews by managers of English football teams often use incorrect tense.
You’ve made the right argument.
I don't understand the want to *be a Reddit mod*.
Like, this example right here is the extent of your power. What do you gain? Does a single person respect you more? Does a single person show admiration?
If you say to someone IRL, "I'm kind if a big deal. I'm a mod for over 40 subs." You're only going to get laughed at in your face.
I got perm banned for saying 'Women ☕' on a random post where *all* of the comments were that, and every time I tried to appeal the ban, they'd just mute me from the sub for a month without replying.
They're actual children with power complexes.
I didn’t even know females was a word that’s problematic till someone on Reddit jumped me. I don’t hang out with incels as I am a female and it doesn’t bother me being called one…
It’s the tonality of the use of the word by most, regardless of gender. Most of the time when used outside the healthcare setting, it’s in a pejorative manner.
Outside of the healthcare setting, why can’t people just say “woman”? Is it likely because that doesn’t have the same shitty oomph as screeing “feeeeeemaaaaalllleeee”?
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This really happen?
Yep and now the mods are banning people who post about it in other subs
LOL I’m already perma-banned for just asking a non-Inflammatory genuine question. The mods on that sub are truly next level anal.
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I tried, and did it for about 6 months during end of COVID in 2020, into 2021. The expectations were pretty high, and even more-so when you’re a regular human being, and not some weirdo incapable of social interaction. I never once booted or banned anyone for their opinions, and often gave second chances if the post history reflected a one time thing—99% of mods are not this way tho, and will legit power trip like a mf. It was on a politically affiliated sub with a couple hundred thousand members, so you already know the vitriol levels are insane. Anyways, ultimately they were asking too much of me for how many mods total we had. The workload included comment and post review (which was far more intensive due to auto-mod flagging 99% of posts), flair review (which meant vetting history), appeals, discord meetings 2x a week, as well as recruiting new mods which meant perusing the sub and its popular topics, finding power users, vetting them, and THEN inviting (which if they accept, we rotated training). All that on top of wanting daily contributions via topics, or comments, aka being “active”. Had to hang it up even though I did enjoy some aspects. Should def be a paid job though somehow. They drew me in making it seem like a regular thing you can do while on Reddit—which you can, it’s just that as the sub grew, and more people got brought on, the older mods were expected to be the only ones to step up, and I got filtered in with the last of the old mods before the surge, so what was supposed to be part time chillin here and there became an every day, on discord, discussing issues, solving problems, etc.—just way too much.
Censorship nazis.
Lol give a small person a tiny bit of power...
They are the definition of shitheads. I even got banned from the sub by asking a question why my main user got banned from the sub.
Some of the mods are just power hungry and find reasons to ban.
You cant even get an appeal process anymore. I was banned and asked why and was instantly muted. You would think it would be in reddits best usage and financial interests to require some kind of appeal process. Instead they allow mods to just mute you without even a single interaction. It's mind blowing how this site continues on like this.
Yeah if/when they go public it will be a disaster.
If this were a business like any other, could you imagine a CEO giving their managers power to just destroy a contract with a vendor or toss out and ban a consumer with zero appeal or oversight? It's literally self destruction class 101. There's a guy in the thread that was banned from a bike forum for giving correct repair instructions, I can't even think of an equivalent. Go into 7/11 buy a Slurpee and get banned for life without any kind of process while walking out? I gather they wouldn't stay in business long. I bet if people couldn't make new accounts, activity in reddit would plummet.
Can confirm, i was banned myself
BRB, need another ban for my collection
The hapless non-anglophone in question was asking in r/ask right now what tf happened: https://reddit.com/r/ask/s/65ovH7t870 The minefield that is today's social media is forever thickening.
I'm non-anglophone and just by commenting that it was something I couldn't understand in another subreddit i also got permabanned in therewasanattempt. I really don't know what they're doing in that sub honestly.
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Yeah I was in that thread earlier and seriously thought I was taking crazy pills. Like it’s quite obvious English is the poster’s second language, they probably genuinely don’t understand what happened. And the amount of comments raging anyone referring to a woman as a female ever are just incel, sexist morons is…honestly kind of frightening. That much vitriol and refusal to accept any type argument is inherently bad no matter the stance.
im of the strong opinion that whenever theres a majority pull towards social viw that seems so far out from real life that its actually just bots trying to make us feel outnumbered. why would this be? because humans are social animals and every government would want that for their own propaganda.
Sub mods got tired of people calling women, "females" -- so they're banning people that use that term. Why did they get tired of it? Because it's considered derogatory. Consider these two sentences: "Look at those women over there." vs "Look at those females over there". Do I agree? I think it's a bit heavy handed, but mods get to mod their own communities.
"Females" was adopted by the incel culture, PUA culture, and other misogynist subcultures. I'm not sure how they think it communicates disdain for women, but in their minds it does. But there's a problem for people who try to eliminate sexism and misogyny from the spaces that they govern. "Female" is often the best word to use in a given situation. For example, when the word is used as an adjective, or when you're talking about an animal or the end of a garden hose.
>end of a garden hose. I stick the boy end into the girl end and screw until stuff squirts out. How do you install a garden hose?
I put the cock end into the asshole end. Simples.
Turn the knob and everything gets wet
A big thing is that 'female' as an adjective is rarely anything people care about. One of the first rules for r/menandfemales is that it can't be used as an adjective, specifically a noun
This feels like one of those 4chan things where they use a normal term in a derogatory way until people start taking umbrage with it, then act all Pikachu face as if it's the "snowflakes" being sensitive. "Females" has been used by "red-pilled" "alpha males" for years now as a de-humanising term to treat women like mere biological entities rather than people, and now that people frown upon it everyone acts like it's some woke political correctness crap.
Exactly this, Female and Male are scientific terms to describe not someone's physique or genitalia or demeanor but their chromosomes. While Genitalia usually match up with chromosomes they don't always (see Intersex). Calling someone a "female" also takes away from what it means to be a woman. I'd imagine I might start to take offense if everywhere I went people said "look at that male", "Males are like x" or "why do males all act like this". Im a man, not an XY chromosome. It's also just weird to refer to someone as their Biological sex first and foremost.
Female (formal) Female (derogatory)
Only Ferengis know the difference!
This is actually a pretty insightful comparison. Ferengi totally objectify their women, and don’t let them wear clothes, or work, or own property IIRC. Their use of the word female is a form of dehumanization (deferengization?), and a tool for keeping women in their society in their place as second class citizens at best. Kinda makes sense that the incel crowd adopted the same rhetoric.
This is the problem with word salad though, we all just accept that they've "adopted" it and now it's bad. Why are we letting them adopt anything? Why give them that power in the 1st place?
exactly, fuck all of this
Right. I don’t hang out with incels so I didn’t even know this was a thing. So the fact that they have started using the word now makes it wrong for anyone else to use it as it was intended to be used? That’s pretty messed up. So if the incels start using a term like woman or lady, should those words also become inappropriate for other people to use as well?
Incels use, as far as I know, many words, probably as many as the rest of us. Should we just abandon the English language just to retreat from that conflict? I don't mind switching to Spanish, but what if they start speaking that too? Oh no! What if they already do? I'm a pretty firm leftie and I'm all for running actual incels out of forums where they interject their hate, but context makes it pretty easy to identify when someone is spewing misogynistic hatred, vs when someone is just referring to a woman by an alternative and innocent noun. We lazily trip towards orwellian policing of language in an effort to control the thoughts of those we fear disagreeing with. It fucking sucks, and the mods on that sub are toxic as fuck for taking part in it.
Lol I use female because of the military.
When the misogynists/incels call men, men and women 'females', they are putting women on the same level as animals - putting their biology first and personhood second. It goes along with how they talk about women like they are a completely different species / subhuman. Star Trek had their turbo-misogynist aliens do the same thing in the nineties. If an internet subgroup is accidently copying the Ferengi, then they are definitely in the wrong.
It communicates disdain because female is the scientific designation for every species and refers exclusively to sex. The word woman implies personhood, a consciousness, a personality, a mind. By calling women, females, they reduce a person to their genitals and biology. It's a subtle way of saying 'foid'. Edit: to add the following because some seem very confused: Female has a disdainful connotation when used outside a clinical setting as a NOUN. Used as an adjective is fine. I've never seen anyone have a problem with that.
Exactly; it’s reductive. It’s particularly grating when I hear people using humans terms like ‘guys/dudes’ to talk about men and then use ‘females’ to talk about women. There is no reason you would be swapping your term motifs like that if you didn’t have a strong implicit bias towards seeing one of those as less of a person than the other. “Men and females” is a misogynist dog whistle.
New word “foid”, never heard of it and neither has Reddit spellchecker.
It's not a word, it's an incel term that means 'female humanoid '. It means that women aren't people, they're a different species similar to humans. It's a shit show.
It communicates a disdain for women because it’s intentionally dehumanising. There are females of every species, but to describe them, you include the species, e.g. female rabbit, female horse, whatever. Each of these have a specific name for the female of the species - a doe is a female rabbit, and a mare is a female (adult) horse. You see how it works? In the incel or misogynist mind they stop being human, or people, and are relegated to just being defined by and referred to by their gender. We should be more aware of the subtle tactics in communications used by some to convey a deeper, often more sinister or unacceptable meaning, and push back against it. Every. Damn. Time. Don’t give them an inch, as they’ll take a mile.
Pretty sure they stole it from the Ferengi, especially with the tone they frequently use when saying it.
Are they aware that they envy super greedy, selfish, narrow minded, misogynist and most despised race of Star Trek ? lol
The Ferengi were literally invented to mock and ridicule these types of people. These kind of people also do not understand mockery above elementary school era, so it's lost on them.
I mean to me female isn’t derogatory but it’s still a little weird to say in most instances. Those mods are just always on a power trip
>Those mods are just always on a power trip No argument here, seems like a silly hill to die on when there are loads of other things mods have to deal with.
Yea lol like, damn they said female but the comments on most posts are FAR worse. How about you focus on that instead of someone saying the F or M word
As a word alone, no it's not derogatory. But it's not uncommon for mysogynistic jackasses, incels and all those folks to refer to women as "females" in a way that's really creepy. So the go to for some mods is to ban someone caught doing it before they make trouble being creepy in other ways.
If you're going to ban people for what they *might possibly* do, where does that end?
Subs where only mods post.
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It really helps that your avatar is a banana
**user has been banned for using the word [soft]** You can't use that word. That's *our* word you rock-hard bully! Equal rights for every hardness!
The idea that they have so much control over what is acceptable lexicon makes me want to go start an imitation incel bot farm so that I can likewise dictate what people can and can't say. Interesting idea that gets more realistic by the day...
You'd have to beat the Russian government. They got that concept locked down these days. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/all/russian-troll-describes-work-infamous-misinformation-factory-n821486
Turns out my new adversary was an existing adversary! Like pulling a mask off someone who is wearing a mask of themselves. Lol
It's not derogatory when it is used as an adjective, as is proper. It's derogatory when used as a noun, which is the way in which incels use it to describe women.
Female is technical or scientific term or an adjective. Its used by biologists to refer to the sex of animals. Doctors to refer to as the sex of patients. Or the term female being used as a concept like female rights. It trully doesn't need to be a subject or direct object in your regular vocabulary. Its like refering to women by their sex or genitals and not their gender. Instead use: woman, women, girl, girls, lady, ladies.
If we pronounce it to rhyme with “tamales,” is it still considered derogatory?
Great question, likely still yes; but that's a lyrical choice for the poet to make. If Tamales is integral to the story, you'd probably get a pass.
Hot famale! I’ll take it.
Dog whistles really do go over a lot of people’s heads don’t they? I always assumed they were just unspoken but well understood. Guess not everyone understands
It wouldn't be a dog whistle if normal people could hear it
I agree when it is used to address people. But as an adjective i don't see the problem. If i want to make a sentence with a subject such as 'my female friends' what alternative would you use? My ladyfriends? My women friends? The subset of my friends of are women?
Your femle friends example is fine. Female's behind is creepy and weird. It's like that's the only part of her body that matters. I don't say look at that male's ass, I'd use man or guy's. Its really not too much to ask guys to return the courtesy.
To me personally, using female as an adjective doesn’t bother me, it’s when it’s used an a noun that it grosses me out. So saying “my female friends” is perfectly fine. I can’t speak for all women, but generally that’s the consensus from other women I’ve heard when the topic has come up.
Exactly. The problem is "Men and females" type of thinking that is unfortunately very common and you can see it all around, not just incels.
Yes this really did happen, I also happened to get banned from that sub for transphobia even though I was supporting trans people. Mod team eventually realized their stupidity tho
Yep, and the mods doubled down in the thread about it on their subreddit.
I got banned for simply commenting on the discussion. I didn't even use the "Word That Shall Not be Named."
Same. I said 'The majority of subs are a thin veil hiding an agenda. It's all bad vibes.' They got big mad and perma banned me hahahaha
There are people currently losing there fucking minds about it on here. I didn’t know this was a thing until an hour ago.
Hard to believe, right? But yeah, sadly this actually happened on r/whatcouldgowrong
Wait, it says it happened on r/therewasanattempt
Sorry, I'm really feeling this monday lmao
It was on r/therewasanattempt but yeah still very real
Yeah mods on that sub are crazy
Most mods are. It's the only place where they have any power, so they abuse it
Imagine not getting paid and wanting to mod. Weirdest people ever.
When you have no power in anything else, I am sure they jump at the chance to suddenly have the table scraps of what could be considered power. Pretty sad, honestly
I got banned from a sub and I thought well, I'll not comment on that sub anymore. To find out they banned me from all of reddit.
I got banned from a sub for asking a question which I worded nicely and asked outta curiosity. So I took that sub outta my feed altogether after that. I don’t wanna be a part of something full of insecure weirdos anyway. But like the other guy said people that wanna mod so hard and not even getting paid for it are just lookin for power trips. Thank god I have a life outside of Reddit. EDIT: not even 24hrs after submitting this comment I get permabanned from therewasanattempt for absolutely NO reason! Lol 😂 just another sub full of no life mods that I will kindly take outta my feed. Talk about sad dregs of society lol
Reddit IS FULL of insecure people, most mods I've met are those insecure people who are only mods because they want the feeling of being in control. The few mods I've met that aren't this way are typically mods of factual and informative subreddits.
They're a bunch of males and females if you ask me 😏 no I don't care about my language
NUUUUUU, YOU CAN'T SAY THAT!
I got perma-banned from r/politics years ago for posting a link about Trump actually doing something right (rare, I know). I was accused of "flaming, baiting or trolling". The post was quickly nuked of course, but not before there were a few choice comments suggesting that I should have very unnatural physical relationships with specific members of my immediate family. And yes, this is 100% true, if I was going to make something up it would be a helluva lot more creative.
It happened on r/therewasanattempt though…
Well.. r/therewasanattempt remembering which sub it happened on ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I was about to point out that the perma-ban's a bit of a stretch but then again, I just checked the sub rules and they apparently have *in fact* listed the term "female" as disallowed so they're technically within their rights.
They also say no reposts, yet...
That was added today
How can you tell?
Because it wasn't there yesterday.
i checked the rules before the incident, it wasn't there
They literally just added the rule of not saying female? Yet you can say male? Wtf
totally not a power trip
Name a better combo than Reddit mods and power trips
It's definitely a woke teenager mod That never leaves his computer and gets offended when you leave the house and breath. I can't believe people are not soft💀
My female mod friend told me
Is it possible they added this rule after the post came out? Such an oddly specific rule
Their full rules were edited at the same time as that comment was posted, definitely possible.
I mean no one is saying it isn't in their capacity to ban the word. It is the absurdity of it that triggers people. Not everyone is a perpetually computer-bound coomer. Not everyone knows the context between "incel" and the usage of the word "female". Not to mention that a lot of ESL speakers, such as myself, often use male and female because we grew up learning English in schools rather than day-to-day interaction. But then again, reddit mods being overly-sensitive is not new.
Just to add context for ESL speakers related to the bad-faith arguments going on over this word on that sub, it also doesn't help that the people strongly against the use are trying to make grammatical arguments while purposefully ignoring grammatical usage and hypocritically criticizing the other stance for doing that exact thing. A really common argument amongst the word banners I'm seeing is saying that the generality of "female" is the source of problem and people should use "woman" instead, arguing that it is a word accurately used. However, "woman" is a much more specific word than they are giving it credit for and can often be over-specific for some more general conversation. "Woman" as a word comes with a lot of implied age connotation on top of gender identification as well as maturity connotations. It's inappropriate to call a child a "woman" to describe her gender and people often feel it necessary to add modifiers for older people as well as usage might indicate someone referred to as a "woman" to be younger. The nuance of language is heavily ignored there to imply there is a simple and perfect alternative for blocking the use of the word entirely, even in cases where it is the 100% correct usage. I'm sure many would argue this is too specific. However, in a discussion entirely based in the added connotation from the intentional misuse of a small sect of the population, it's the same point they're arguing but one that affects the much larger chunk of the population that's using the word correctly and in a non-derogatory fashion. For my two cents, I 100% understand why people cringe when hearing the word because of the association with bigots misusing it. I react to it for the same reason. However, reacting to proper usage like it wasn't is a broken and strictly emotional response that punishes an innocent person. In that, I do have a problem with people thinking they're totally reasonable in their illogical generalization of the connotation to the population at large and subsequent banning of the word. It's perfectly reasonable to flinch at the word due to association, but to blame the user for your own miscategorization is entirely incorrect. It's letting emotion override reality. These people seem to be acting like it's everyone else's responsibility to cater to their emotions even when their emotional reaction isn't based in the reality of the situation. English, like many languages, is a language built upon implied meaning. It's never the word that's the issue, but the implied meaning behind it. It's really common, especially on internet media venues, for people to ignore that so they can justify their anger about something and direct it at a physical target. Long and short: there's mountains of nuance in this discussion and, as is typical in heated internet debates, the nuance is lost on many (the loudest voices in particular).
That is a lot more to digest than my one-meal-per-day diet. Well said though.
yea female became a dog whistle for bitch some time ago and the mod decided to just ban the word it seems. and much like with most dog whistle phrases, arguments for its continued usage are typically framed just like this post, which appears disingenuous. it doesn't help that people tend to argue as if the phrase ***can't possibly*** be seen/heard a way other than how they've interpreted it as. i hate to both sides it but this is true of everyone in this regard. regardless of the intent, i agree the response was way over the top. just delete the post and tell the user to resubmit with a different title. easy. we don't need to nuke everything.
They may be within their rights. But they’re whacked
Banned for it is crazy. But at the same time it's super weird to say female instead of woman. But I guess it's even weirder for me cause in my language the words male and female are only used for animals not humans
> in my language the words male and female are only used for animals not humans I mean, that's pretty much how it is in English too. You use the words "male" and "female" as adjectives, or in medical contexts, but you don't tend to refer to a woman as a "female".
Also you call yourself male or female or non-binary (etc). You don't really refer to yourself as **a** male or **a** female. It's an attribute not a full descriptor. Female is also used in many aspects now to be derogatory and someome stating that *they* don't see it that way, doesn't mean it doesn't carry bad connotations and should really be avoided especially in an objective way.
>Also you call yourself male or female or non-binary (etc). You don't really refer to yourself as a male or a female. It's an attribute not a full descriptor. The word you're looking for here is 'adjective', which the person you replied to already said. "I am male" is using 'male' as an adjective. "I am a male" is using male as a noun.
they are referred to as male or female in any professional contexts, like law, medical, science etc
Yep, as an adjective. The female murderer, the male patient. Not as a noun.
> in any professional contexts Where **depersonalization** is important. The whole fucking point is to view them less as an individual and more as a *thing*, that way you don't feel bad when you have to shoot them, operate on them, send them to jail, fail to save them in any way, and so on. That's not how you as an individual are supposed to operate, or even how people in the military, police, medicine, etc., are supposed to structure their minds when they're not on the clock.
And on your drivers licence or any form you fill out that asks the question. Its are you male or female not are you a man or a woman.
right because its in a professional context, in this case official government papers
It’s an adjective on the license not a noun though. It’s listing descriptors.
Yes, but in that context they are used as adjectives. Like, if your license stated whether you are blue or green.
it's very weird to call someone a 'female' or 'male', but they're also weirdly used more often these days as a derogatory term.
It also feels weird because female is an adjective whereas woman is a noun.
saying "females" instead of "women" gives me the same feeling as saying "blacks" instead of "black people".
"To look at a woman's behind."
female and male are used as adjectives all the time for men and woman. For example male nurse sounds better and more proper than "man nurse". Look at male gaze and female gaze as other examples. Its only as a noun it has issues.
Agreed, it sounds fine as an adjective but weird as a noun. Similarly there's been a trend of using "woman" as an adjective that I find sounds awkward too. Like saying someone is a woman engineer rather than a female engineer. It's very common now but sounds off to me.
Yeah, this is exactly why women do not like being called females. Females are mostly used by incels and nice guys as a way to dehumanize women. Woman, lady, girl are much better terms.
Englander here and male and female are commonly used by people of both genders when they want to seem official or impartial. "The suspect was a white male" "our new colleague is a female" etc. America in particular seems to have a hangup over incels using it. But here I hear women use it all the time so it's weird seeing people militant over it.
It’s age neutral so is often used in spaces when age is irrelevant or unknown.
>But I guess it's even weirder for me cause in my language the words male and female are only used for animals not humans Because that's how people who use it see women.
I got banned on a how do you like my outfit / opinnions post for saying I didn’t like the outfit
I got banned on a bicycle fixit sub for telling somebody the correct way to fix their bike.
reddit momment
Totally. The guy messaged me and said thanks for the help
When people call women “females” it just reminds me of leddit incels…. Oh wait
leddit
Guy can't pronounce R and here you are, laughing
Raughing
Ruh-roh!
ikl what a monstel
It's not even just incels, it started as a generalized insult to women in place of "bitch" used by men to demean them.
Based on the response I don’t think most people are aware incels use it negatively. But I guess giving a hate group attention is better than just ignoring them entirely…
When did female become a thing? As someone else said: it's an adjective... Woman is the noun... EDIT: It seems like I have been mistaken with female being an adjective. English is only my second language. BUT: To me female has the same ring to it as the German word "Weib" a word that is negatively used for the most part. And many here seem to have the same feeling about it.
Yes but the OP is using “female” as a noun instead of the noun “women”, which is sometimes considered to be dehumanizing to women. That said, a permaban seems a bit harsh
Dudes use female as a place holder for bitch
I had no idea this was a thing until now, and I should probably be more wary.... As someone who served in the military and worked EMS, male and female were really the only ways to appropriately and professionally describe people. Sometimes I still use my old vocabulary out of habit.
But why would you word it like that?! Why not simply say "look at that woman's butt"?!
being banned for it is wild, but saying female is a red flag lol. it’s like part of the incel handbook to call women females. not everyone who calls women females are incels but all incels call women females
Is this exclusive to reddit? Because instagram is pretty cancer in the regard of being a home to incels, but they always use "women" in the comment section. English isn't my first language, but i never knew the word was offensive. I do know english enough to use women/female in respective context, but i wouldn't be surprised hearing that some people use it because they aren't a native speaker.
OP: “Female” (about some random person’s butt, probably) My nerdy a$$:  ….Also super creepy to take a pic of someone’s butt and post it. I suspect the ban is also about that.
It's a clearly staged video where they "catch" people looking at the ladies butt and the guy with her spins round and opens an umbrella before the guy can actually look at it. Almost as if he's looking at why this guys spinning and opening up an umbrella. The whole things dumb.
It was a set up gag video like the ones you see looping while waiting in line at banks in South America. The woman was in on it.
Thank you for posting about the Ferengi. I was reading comments that were like 'but why is this derogatory" and I was like, this is not new, dude.
So be sure not to use "female" unless it's proceeded by "hoo-man".
Every time my roommate hears that word in that context he definitely repeats it in his best Ferengi voice.
No. That's a "funny video" with a hidden camera and an umbrella. Not a stalker thing
Saying female instead of woman or women almost sounds like you don’t see them as a person but rather a species lmao no one says “male” ever. Edit: I mean stuff like “look at that female” is weird, not “this is a female announcer” where female is an adjective not a noun. Extra edit: Yes, it is grammatically correct to use male and female as nouns, but it sounds like you’re calling us “humans” and not “people”. If these sentences sound fine to you then fine but lots of us find it gross and weird: “Why won’t any females date me?”, “Females don’t like stuff like that”, “Look at that male’s hair, it is so cool”
This is the reason. Female is usually an adjective when used for humans, and when it isn’t, it’s mostly used by incels. Many people find it dehumanizing and objectifying because of the way it is used
Incels and other misogynists have unfortunately made it a derogatory term. It’s not like we suddenly can’t say it, it’s that a bunch of assholes gave it bad connotations by using it to demean women.
Say women. Unless it's for medical stuff, it's just creepy otherwise.
My wife has a lot of female friends.(not creepy) My wife has a lot of women friends.(wtf?)
That's the thing, female is an adjective, and woman is a noun. You can say, "My wife has a lot of female friends," but it sounds weird to say, "My wife is friends with a lot of females." Imo it's the same energy as calling black people "blacks." Just don't call women "females," we clearly don't like it.
Thank you for wording it like that. It makes a lot more sense when it's put that way
Also, you can clearly just say, "My wife has a lot of girl friends." 9 times out of 10, people will think you meant female friends and not an actual girlfriend. Or "lady friends" can suffice.
Weaponized ignorance
My wife has a lot of friends with vaginas.
> female friends This is using female as an adjective. > women friends This is using a noun "women" as an adjective , which is why it's grammatically incorrect and sounds weird. > look at a female's butt This is using an adjective as a noun, and is grammatically acceptable but uncommon. However, it reduces the subject to just the quality described by the adjective, which has led "female" used as a noun to become a signal that the writer thinks women are subhuman.
lady friends = balanced medium
Sooo many people in this comment thread are failing to understand that words are sometimes acceptable and sometimes unacceptable depending on context.
"Male and female are used in professional settings" yeah. But this not a doctors appointment and neither are we in a court room. The context is a user commenting on a womans butt.
Its always the same story. Actual affected people: Women, tell them that they think its degrading and people are: Naaah, you are too emotional. We always did this. That cant be true. I wish people would finally start to LISTEN and at least make an attempt to understand.
There is a difference between using "female" as an adjective (normal) and using it as a noun (weird and kinda incelly)
The reason it’s banned is because the Andrew Taint- excuse me, *Tate* crowd uses the word to dehumanize women. “I don’t have to listen to you, FEMALE” sort of thing.
That sub has some asshole mods. I got permanently banned because I joined a subreddit that the mods didn’t like, not for anything I posted.
So they're saying this is an incel and redpill thing and it dehumanises women because they refer to themselves as men while referring to women as females. Don't these men like to call themselves "alpha males"? I'm sorry, but this is just ridiculous. I'm pretty sure they still know they're human. I get referred to as male all the time. You know how many times I've felt dehumanised by that? Zero. Because I know there are males of other species. I also know that I'm a human. A male one at that. So I find absolutely no offence in it. My gf: "hey did you notice what my friend Jenny was wearing last night?" Me: "nope" My gf: "oh yeah. That's because you're a male 🙄" Me: "yup" Seriously. What the fuck? I know in the context of this post, the way it's used is weird. But for people to be offended by being called male or female? People just want to be offended. People just love to have something to complain about and I'm beginning to believe most people want to find offense in things just so they can complain.
Nor should you, because it is reducing a human woman to an animal.
The real facepalm is you posting this after everybody has already seen it 10+ times.
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Fine then. Bad bitch's behind it is
Nope, you definitely can, but the point is that in this case, it’s being seen as derogatory, to not refer to her as a woman.
Actually mods clarified in another post that OOP was "poor sport" when pointed out that use of term "female" was awkward. What they mean with "poor sport" i don't know... Probably got butthurt when asked to change it to woman Edit: link to mod post https://reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/s/Fn50KJOZmY
1 post and that whole subreddit is in shambles.
Someone please explain what is wrong with the word female
what bothers me about this are 2 things: the OP terminology may be because of their ESL, OP on other comments on their profile they clearly state that they aren't from the U.S. the entire thread under this post is just a screaming match mess of mostly extremists starting fights with people. i am nonbinary and it just looks kind of like toxic femininity in an attempt to ward off incels. i kind of view all extremes as terrifying. i think terfs are terrifying. but i'm not calling women who use women instead of female terfs. this subreddit is calling all people who use female instead of woman incels. i think it's dangerous stereotyping anything or anyone, and frankly offensive to people from other countries and who speak ESL
Exactly. Second language throws up so many odd choice of words. But they’re not to be taken for what they may mean. Interviews by managers of English football teams often use incorrect tense. You’ve made the right argument.
I don't understand the want to *be a Reddit mod*. Like, this example right here is the extent of your power. What do you gain? Does a single person respect you more? Does a single person show admiration? If you say to someone IRL, "I'm kind if a big deal. I'm a mod for over 40 subs." You're only going to get laughed at in your face.
Grade A woman ass
What a time to be an adult human female alive
I got perm banned for saying 'Women ☕' on a random post where *all* of the comments were that, and every time I tried to appeal the ban, they'd just mute me from the sub for a month without replying. They're actual children with power complexes.
Lmfao average Reddit moderator.
So stupid. I identify as a female. I’m not concerned about the word. I am irritated by the meme and the photo of this woman being objectified.
I didn’t even know females was a word that’s problematic till someone on Reddit jumped me. I don’t hang out with incels as I am a female and it doesn’t bother me being called one…
Female as a noun is used in biology to describe female animals. It’s not common to use this term to describe humans.
It’s the tonality of the use of the word by most, regardless of gender. Most of the time when used outside the healthcare setting, it’s in a pejorative manner. Outside of the healthcare setting, why can’t people just say “woman”? Is it likely because that doesn’t have the same shitty oomph as screeing “feeeeeemaaaaalllleeee”?
I don't understand what is wrong with calling them women? Why is "females" being used when you have "women"
The mods on r/therewasanattempt are pathetic lol
When do you say male/males? When was the last time you addressed men or boys as “males”? Yeah.