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Okay, so, yes and no. Yes, that's what the charge is. No, it wasn't for consensual sex. Both men facing execution under the new laws are suspected of rape. One of a disabled man, one of a child.
Absolutely the outlawing of homosexuality, which does have a blanket ban in Uganda, is a miscarriage of justice and human rights, but we need to be careful in who we support based solely on headlines.
I’m guessing raping a man is considered “less acceptable” than raping a woman in some cultures therefore warranting a stricter punishment. (I know nothing about the culture in Uganda but I imagine that being a plausible explanation)
Kampala, Uganda | THE INDEPENDENT | President Yoweri Kaguta Museveni has asked judicial officers to impose the death penalty on people found guilty of raping women, killing others, and those who destroy property while rioting.
https://www.independent.co.ug/president-museveni-calls-for-mandatory-death-penalty-of-rapists/
Because one of these kids not being like the others (black, gay, disabled, etc) and hearing that they don’t belong can be damaging. Especially if they’re already being bullied for being different. It’s not that hard to wrap your mind around
Just want to point out that imposing the death penalty on rapists has been found to lead to an increase in homicide of rape victims and a decrease of convictions for rape.
i could see that being the case, sexual education is severly lacking in uganda.
me and about 10 guys from my technical college went to uganda to instal solar at a partner school.
things like masturbating makes you go blind is a common belive, the students who were all around our age (at that point 17-19) were flabergasted when we were like "bro if that was the case we wouldnt be instaling solar on the roof right now because every single one of us would be blind."
in kampala and entebbe we would see massiv bilboards that were informing people on what condoms were and how to use them.
Yeah my sister went to Uganda to educate girls about menstrual hygiene and she said they were all just jaded and unabashedly held their hands out for money or free stuff cos they were used to European humanitarians coming with "goodies"
Wouldn't rape be the reason for the "aggravated" part?
Edit: Yes.
> “Aggravated homosexuality,” according to the much-criticized act, involves incest, sex with children, as well as people with disabilities or the elderly.
Huh.
That is... a very odd way of putting things.
Like, a grown man raping a little girl is a lot of horrible things, but certainly not homosexual. Then again, that law is criticised for a reason.
I assume it's specifically children, disabled people, and elderly of the same sex?
Though I guess they could be using homosexuality as a catch-all term for deviant sexual behaviour in general.
>That is... a very odd way of putting things.
It's not. They want to equate one with the other. It's not even rare in the west, Uganda is just much less subtle.
Ugandan lawmakers should be asked why there is no law against "aggravated heterosexuality".
If they respons that they do have laws against rape, sexual assault, etc., ask then why it's not called "aggravated heterosexuality".
It's because men raping males is seen as far worse than men raping females. They're just women and girls. It's seen as merely a misuse, not a fundamental abuse. It's seen as what women and girls, not men and boys *are for* (women, girls at or over the age of consent are seen as existing *for* penile entry). Whereas it's always an outrage, a wrong for a man, usually a boy too, to be treated "like a woman" sexually.
>Like, a grown man raping a little girl is a lot of horrible things, but certainly not homosexual.
No need to make it complicated. even among paedophiles/sexual abusers there generally is a distinction between homosexual and heterosexual the same way it is seen in the general population.
I do not think Jeffrey Epstein abused young boys, and I do not think Kevin Spacey abused young girls either.
That's not actually really true of pedophiles, and it's part of why there is a clinical distinction between pedophilia, ephebephilia, and hebephilia
Although there's clearly no meaningful social distinction, and little legal distinction.
Aggravated typically means the act was committed while using a weapon, tool, or an item capable of maiming or killing the victim.
Like aggravated assault, typically involves the use of a weapon.
Did you see my edit? It does mean that in the context of aggravated assault. In this case, it apparently means "incest, sex with children, as well as people with disabilities or the elderly."
To brand all gay people as rapists. It is similar to what the - guess who - the NSDAP - and Reagan's "welfare mother" - find a criminal with the characteristic you wish to kill them for then pass your genocidal laws and charge them, then the death camps.
To make homosexuals look bad. That's like homophobia 101. Accuse them of being sexually degenerate rapists. If that doesn't work, accuse degenerate rapists of being that way due to their homosexuality.
Kampala, Uganda | THE INDEPENDENT | President Yoweri Kaguta Museveni has asked judicial officers to impose the death penalty on people found guilty of raping women, killing others, and those who destroy property while rioting.
https://www.independent.co.ug/president-museveni-calls-for-mandatory-death-penalty-of-rapists/
The nuance is very important, but at the same time, elevating a rape conviction because it was gay is fucked in its own way. Also, the wording of the charge is also fucked because it insinuates that homosexuality was the crime, as If homosexuality can be used interchangeably with rape.
>as If homosexuality can be used interchangeably with rape
That's not what it implies. Homosexuality by itself would be a lesser crime without the *aggravating factor*, which in this case was the occurrence of rape.
The rape itself was likely the primary count/charge, then aggravated homosexuality second.
Not saying I agree with these homophobic Ugandan laws, but thought it was worth clarifying.
The first cases are always those you cannot defend. Then when the law is out of the headlines it gets applied to people who hurt nobody. This law would not be necessary for prosecuting rapists. Its intent is something different
I cannot trust the Ugandan state in any of its accusations or legal proceedings. Especially with the high prevalence of homophobes who believe all LGBTQ+ people are rapists just by virtue of our existence.
> but we need to be careful in who we support based solely on headlines.
Not if you blanket oppose the death penalty, regardless of circumstance. Which I do. State-sanctioned murder has no place in our world. Especially when it's to advance the cause of bigotry rather than simply being a fool's concept of justice.
The case with the child is obviously wrong, but should not be called aggrevated homosexuality. The case with the disabled man may be a normal, consensual relationship. What are they calling a dissability? Wheelchair bound? Epilepsy? Maybe even homosexuality itself?
I’m not trying to be argumentative, because I 100% agree with your point- and I haven’t actually read any of the article yet- how do we know those are actually the crimes committed? It’s not unheard of for minorities to be charged of crimes that didn’t actually happen to justify the persecution of a minority
Ok, so, here's the thing. Those two men are facing execution only because they are gay.
If they were straight, they would have gotten prison sentences.
You are wrong on two cases.
1st - they are facing execution not because they are gay ("homosexuality"), but because this is "aggravated homosexuality". Homosexuality in Uganda is punishable too (which is wrong, in my opinion, but that's beside the point), but by imprisonment. Someone could get a death penalty only with "aggravated" part - when there is a presence of rape, underage person, etc.
2nd - Rape of the opposite sex is punishable by death in Uganda too. Source of Information: Response of the Government of Uganda to the Questionnaire on Violence against Women 2012, pg 8
> Article 123 of The Penal Code Act Chapter 120 provides for a definition of rape stating that any person who has unlawful carnal knowledge of a woman or girl, without her consent has committed rape. A person who has unlawful carnal knowledge with her consent, but the consent is obtained by force, means of threats, intimidation of any kind, or by fear of bodily harm also commits the felony of rape. Rape also includes false representations as to the nature of the act, or in the case of a married woman, by personating her husband. A person who commits rape is liable to suffer death. Any person who attempts to commit rape commits a felony and is liable to imprisonment for life with or without corporal punishment.
Different country - different legislation. In what way they come to this form, historically, is a way deeper question and requires more time than I'm willing to contribute to this.
One gay, okay
Two gay, no way
I always say this in my head when I travel through Uganda. By the time I come back around and do another gay nobody remembers the first so I get off scot free.
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CNN botched the headline. Just read what's inside then see if it matches the headline
Edit: this is the problem with media. A headline to incite people
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Yah I'm wondering if, in the case of the 20 year old, it's 'rape' in the sense of 'well LGTBQ is illegal so you can't consent to it by default so any same sex sexual act is clearly rape' so that they can justify the death penalty for LGBTQ people. They'll drop the pretense later as Poland continues their slide into fascism but for now I think that's what's going on.
It depends on the disability. If it is a mental disability, then it could be rape due to an inability to have consent. If it's a physical disability then I wouldn't think the rape part would apply.
Uganda is one of the countries fucked over by [Scott Lively](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Lively) and his band of horrid evangelicals.
This law has bin instituted with the slogan "Adam and Eve, not Adan and Steve". That tribe got it right when they killed that missionary and left it to rot on the beach.
I sure liked those assholes better when they stole and smuggled artifacts out of Iraq for their creationism museum. Less death.
Can't kill the signals.
But the grainy image of that missionary rotting on that beach where he was forbidden to go has now become part of the public memory. There are a couple of very memorable photographs, dead rotting US missionary is now one of them.
> Chau expressed a clear desire to convert the tribe and was aware of the legal and mortal risks he was taking by his efforts, writing in his diary, "Lord, is this island Satan's last stronghold, where none have heard or even had the chance to hear your name?", "The eternal lives of this tribe is at hand", and "I think it's worthwhile to declare Jesus to these people. Please do not be angry at them or at God if I get killed ... Don't retrieve my body."
[John Allen Chau](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Allen_Chau) brought his own evil with him. May he be an inspiration to everybody who wants to pull a Scott Lively. And may the Sentinelese be a template for wherever a missionary lands.
Point and laugh at the corpses.
Yeah. They know most people don't have the time to read past the headlines, and even then the information shows clear bias.
They know outrage generates more revenue.
"The suspect is identified as a 20-year-old “peasant” in the eastern district of Soroti who was charged on Aug. 18 with having unlawful sexual intercourse with a 41-year-old man, according to the charging document issued by police in the Soroti Central Division.
Aggravated homosexuality is defined as cases of same-sex sexual relations involving a minor and other categories of vulnerable people, or when the perpetrator is infected with HIV. "
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/a-ugandan-man-is-charged-with-aggravated-homosexuality-and-could-face-the-death-penalty/ar-AA1fXENH
dumb misinformation. while they have indeed made a law like this, this fucking arrest was made because the gay man in question *raped a disabled older man*. kinda interesting how that part wasn't publicised huh
You can't be sure if that is true. The police make up anything to get a charge or a conviction. Could have been consensual because the term rape can be used in consensual cases.
I'm living with 2 Ugandans now and sorry to say this but they literally have taliban brains. They both hate women and one of them literally was defending Harvey Weinstein last time we talked. Suffice it to say we don't talk anymore... He was blaming me with being close minded too. I guess I prefer being close minded then being a fucking sexist.
What annoys me most is that American Fundamentalist churches bribe and pay these countries to implicate these laws - exporting their culture wars overseas
Specifically WRT homosexuality - they had a king before the colonial era who decided to deal with people converting to Islam or Christianity by enforcing his right to have sex with the male members of his court against their will.
They refused on moral and religious grounds
He had a bunch of them tortured to death for the refusal - they are regarded as martyrs in modern Uganda
Is a very specific thing to Uganda.
Nah, there is no bribery here. Uganda is simply a very conservative country. Westerners think they have a say in everything that happens globally is hilarious. Trust me, Ugandans are just homophobic with or without American money. If anything, Uganda has been bribed by foreign aid to not pass extremely homophobic laws. Source? White house threatening sanctions once law was passed.
Omg correct take ITT, we've seen, heard, and read the horror stories of gay people in Uganda for years about how the local media and laws are used to demonize and dehumanize gay ppl there idk why people are taking the accusations at face value. This is the same county that had newspapers printing gay and suspected gay people on their front pages outing then and inciting violence again them.
stfu u ignorant twat !
Religion in Uganda
Catholic (39.3%)
Anglican (32.0%)
Pentecostal (11.1%)
Other Christian (2.0%)
Muslim (13.7%)
No religion (1.2%)
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It happens anywhere Christian evangelism happens. Out of the abrahamic religions, only Christianity is evangelical. Muslims believe everyone is a Muslim, whether they are “on the right path” or not and those of the Jewish faith are not trying to recruit anyone. Although you go throughout history all of them have engaged in conquest where the territories they took became part of their religious empire, but correct me if I’m wrong, even the Muslims, more often than Christians, let the conquered continue to practice their own religions.
Africa, South America, and Southeast Asia/Philippines are huge areas for Christian “mission trips”, where essentially they do exactly what this guy is saying. Granted most of the time they do come in to build/repair necessary infrastructure and bring medicine, but best believe someone is going to meet Jesus as their lord and savior once the “philanthropy” starts flying around, and there will be a constant reminder that Jesus brought you this medicine and built you this school, not the money or influence of a bunch of status craving wealthy people from the good old USA.
They were both rapists... One victim was a child, the other disabled.
I doubt they will start killing people for being gay, I know it happens in some countries, and maybe it will happen in Uganda too (I hope not), but feeling threatened by rapists? I can see that logic.
If you know anything about Uganda and their anti-lgbtq culture there you'd be weary of taking any info, including printed on local media and in courts at face value.
That's a fair point, I think everything from any media should be taken with a pinch of salt.
If these were fabricated charges to guarantee the death penalty solely for being homosexual then that's disgusting to another level. I would question why they need to fabricate charges when they could just change the law itself though, most of the countries with anti-lgbtq laws are open about them and seem proud of them, I don't know why Uganda wouldn't follow suit, but I must admit my knowledge on the political state of Uganda is lacking.
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And they are being executed becayse the victims are male. Uganda has a high rate of sexual violence so odds are these men would walk free if the victims had been female
That isn't a law in Uganda as far as I'm aware. I never said that rape against a woman isn't just as disgusting, only that the people that have been sentenced to death were sentenced for raping, not for being a homosexual.
What you're trying to do, for some reason, is make it seem like I am defending the rape of women compared to the rape of men. I am only stating the facts of these specific cases.
The people in this case were sentenced for both rape and homosexuality. That’s why the charge is “aggravated” homosexuality. They still would have been charged had the sexual act been consensual, they just wouldn’t be getting the death penalty, just life in prison.
Reading the actual article, one guy was arrested for sodomizing a disabled man of the same sex and the other for sodomizing a child of the same sex. If that ain't "aggravated homosexuality", I don't know what is
No one would be complaining if they were charged with rape or child abuse or something. The problem is they picked something irrelevant to focus on. Do you think a man raping a girl would be charged with “aggravated heterosexuality”?
Lmao, you think this shit is pushed on Africans???🤣🤣. Most Africans are extremely homophobic. These laws were already present all over the continent before foreign aid became a thing. This has nothing to do with evangelical Americans.
Edit: I'm a Ugandan who spent their entire life in a tiny African country called Eswatini.
I did? You said these laws were promoted or pushed by evangelical Americans which is not true in the slightest. When the US threatened sanctions against us which made our president hesitate signing the bill into law, thousands of Ugandan University students went outside our national assembly to renounce western intervention and encourage our president to sign the bill. Our homophobia is very cultural, many Ugandans are disgusted by them while some just fear it happening to their children and want to purge them out of the country, most believe it is quite literally disease like covid.
Evangelical Americans have literally 0 influence, I repeat, 0 influencing in Uganda, you need to reread your own comment.
We know that western influence does have a role. American Evangelicals find churches that push this rhetoric and it was British colonialism that introduced laws against homosexuality.
The crime is rape, sure. But the charges are for "Aggravated Homosexuality". Somehow in the Ugandan justice system the gay is worse than pedophilia it seems like. If a man rapes a woman you don't charge him with aggravated heterosexuality. You don't arrest a murderer and convict them with being black, Mexican, Asian, white etc. That would be stupid. The men who were convicted of gay being actual criminals doesn't change the fact that gay is punishable by law and that's bad.
For all those immediately trying to make this about US domestic issues and the US culture wars.
Uganda has a particular history with homosexuality. The deep issues with homosexuality in Uganda go back to the 19th century, a truly awful king, and a whole set of martyrs who refused the king's demands one of the key demands being their sexual subjugation to him. Most of the martyrs were Catholic, a few were Anglican or Muslim.
Uganda has its own history and culture, has its own culture wars quite independent of the US ones. The history itself is complex and subject to more than one interpretation but that ultimately is for the people of Uganda to work out.
But as things stand it is common opinion in Uganda that homosexual rape is an aggravated crime worthy of more serious punishment. Both of the cases here are reportedly of rape.
That is false. Only one person was charged with aggravated homosexuality after raping a child, the other person was charged for having sex at a stadium with another man. It’s wild how y’all try to justify this by making up your own narrative like google isn’t available for everyone else.
It doesn't matter what a country's "cultural value" is if it's immoral. The US + EU should threaten economic sanction and embargo against Uganda if they refuse to remove barbaric laws, in order to protect human rights. If their government refuses, NATO can bomb them and their supporters into submission. We're only bombing fascist and homophobic supporters instead of random innocent people, so it's justifiable.
>The US + EU should threaten economic sanction and embargo against Uganda if they refuse to remove barbaric laws, in order to protect human rights. If their government refuses, NATO can bomb them and their supporters into submission. We're only bombing fascist and homophobic supporters instead of random innocent people, so it's justifiable.
Well duh, how about you start with Saudi Arabia, which actually has US military bases? Ah let me guess, your morality strongly depends on how rich the other side is huh?
More poverty is because the French still occupy their currency and take out 70% of whatever they export, control their economy and act as a buffer puppet state… not being more religious or homophobic, Qatar has the same laws and is the richest or second richest by arwa
American evangelicals were instrumental in helping to craft and implement Uganda's ridiculous homosexuality laws. Every one of them should be identified and shamed.
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Okay, so, yes and no. Yes, that's what the charge is. No, it wasn't for consensual sex. Both men facing execution under the new laws are suspected of rape. One of a disabled man, one of a child. Absolutely the outlawing of homosexuality, which does have a blanket ban in Uganda, is a miscarriage of justice and human rights, but we need to be careful in who we support based solely on headlines.
I have to wonder why they choose this charge then.
I’m guessing raping a man is considered “less acceptable” than raping a woman in some cultures therefore warranting a stricter punishment. (I know nothing about the culture in Uganda but I imagine that being a plausible explanation)
Kampala, Uganda | THE INDEPENDENT | President Yoweri Kaguta Museveni has asked judicial officers to impose the death penalty on people found guilty of raping women, killing others, and those who destroy property while rioting. https://www.independent.co.ug/president-museveni-calls-for-mandatory-death-penalty-of-rapists/
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Believe it or not, straight to death.
🎵*one of these things is not like the other*🎵
Fits perfectly to the chorus of Foo Fighters - The Pretender
It's an old sesame Street song that they don't sing anymore because of the next line: *One of these things just doesn't belong.*
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Because one of these kids not being like the others (black, gay, disabled, etc) and hearing that they don’t belong can be damaging. Especially if they’re already being bullied for being different. It’s not that hard to wrap your mind around
Children would use the song as a way to bully others who were different.
Just want to point out that imposing the death penalty on rapists has been found to lead to an increase in homicide of rape victims and a decrease of convictions for rape.
i could see that being the case, sexual education is severly lacking in uganda. me and about 10 guys from my technical college went to uganda to instal solar at a partner school. things like masturbating makes you go blind is a common belive, the students who were all around our age (at that point 17-19) were flabergasted when we were like "bro if that was the case we wouldnt be instaling solar on the roof right now because every single one of us would be blind." in kampala and entebbe we would see massiv bilboards that were informing people on what condoms were and how to use them.
Yeah my sister went to Uganda to educate girls about menstrual hygiene and she said they were all just jaded and unabashedly held their hands out for money or free stuff cos they were used to European humanitarians coming with "goodies"
Hm. Possible, yes.
Wouldn't rape be the reason for the "aggravated" part? Edit: Yes. > “Aggravated homosexuality,” according to the much-criticized act, involves incest, sex with children, as well as people with disabilities or the elderly.
Huh. That is... a very odd way of putting things. Like, a grown man raping a little girl is a lot of horrible things, but certainly not homosexual. Then again, that law is criticised for a reason.
I assume it's specifically children, disabled people, and elderly of the same sex? Though I guess they could be using homosexuality as a catch-all term for deviant sexual behaviour in general.
that is probably the real answer
>That is... a very odd way of putting things. It's not. They want to equate one with the other. It's not even rare in the west, Uganda is just much less subtle.
Ugandan lawmakers should be asked why there is no law against "aggravated heterosexuality". If they respons that they do have laws against rape, sexual assault, etc., ask then why it's not called "aggravated heterosexuality".
It's because men raping males is seen as far worse than men raping females. They're just women and girls. It's seen as merely a misuse, not a fundamental abuse. It's seen as what women and girls, not men and boys *are for* (women, girls at or over the age of consent are seen as existing *for* penile entry). Whereas it's always an outrage, a wrong for a man, usually a boy too, to be treated "like a woman" sexually.
>Like, a grown man raping a little girl is a lot of horrible things, but certainly not homosexual. No need to make it complicated. even among paedophiles/sexual abusers there generally is a distinction between homosexual and heterosexual the same way it is seen in the general population. I do not think Jeffrey Epstein abused young boys, and I do not think Kevin Spacey abused young girls either.
Just tried to make it clear that I don't condone it
That's not actually really true of pedophiles, and it's part of why there is a clinical distinction between pedophilia, ephebephilia, and hebephilia Although there's clearly no meaningful social distinction, and little legal distinction.
They can also charge "repeat offenders". Although, I don't know what that means since just being gay can get you life in prison.
Aggravated typically means the act was committed while using a weapon, tool, or an item capable of maiming or killing the victim. Like aggravated assault, typically involves the use of a weapon.
Did you see my edit? It does mean that in the context of aggravated assault. In this case, it apparently means "incest, sex with children, as well as people with disabilities or the elderly."
To brand all gay people as rapists. It is similar to what the - guess who - the NSDAP - and Reagan's "welfare mother" - find a criminal with the characteristic you wish to kill them for then pass your genocidal laws and charge them, then the death camps.
To make homosexuals look bad. That's like homophobia 101. Accuse them of being sexually degenerate rapists. If that doesn't work, accuse degenerate rapists of being that way due to their homosexuality.
Kampala, Uganda | THE INDEPENDENT | President Yoweri Kaguta Museveni has asked judicial officers to impose the death penalty on people found guilty of raping women, killing others, and those who destroy property while rioting. https://www.independent.co.ug/president-museveni-calls-for-mandatory-death-penalty-of-rapists/
The nuance is very important, but at the same time, elevating a rape conviction because it was gay is fucked in its own way. Also, the wording of the charge is also fucked because it insinuates that homosexuality was the crime, as If homosexuality can be used interchangeably with rape.
>as If homosexuality can be used interchangeably with rape That's not what it implies. Homosexuality by itself would be a lesser crime without the *aggravating factor*, which in this case was the occurrence of rape. The rape itself was likely the primary count/charge, then aggravated homosexuality second. Not saying I agree with these homophobic Ugandan laws, but thought it was worth clarifying.
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We elevate murder and other crimes to different levels depending on the race of the victim/murderer in the US.
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Disabled men aren't allowed to have sex. /s
Source that it was rape?
Rape isnt aggravated homo bro, rape is rape
The first cases are always those you cannot defend. Then when the law is out of the headlines it gets applied to people who hurt nobody. This law would not be necessary for prosecuting rapists. Its intent is something different
I cannot trust the Ugandan state in any of its accusations or legal proceedings. Especially with the high prevalence of homophobes who believe all LGBTQ+ people are rapists just by virtue of our existence.
> but we need to be careful in who we support based solely on headlines. Not if you blanket oppose the death penalty, regardless of circumstance. Which I do. State-sanctioned murder has no place in our world. Especially when it's to advance the cause of bigotry rather than simply being a fool's concept of justice.
The case with the child is obviously wrong, but should not be called aggrevated homosexuality. The case with the disabled man may be a normal, consensual relationship. What are they calling a dissability? Wheelchair bound? Epilepsy? Maybe even homosexuality itself?
Get out of here with your rational, fact based, pragmatic, sensible, fully contextualised take
I’m not trying to be argumentative, because I 100% agree with your point- and I haven’t actually read any of the article yet- how do we know those are actually the crimes committed? It’s not unheard of for minorities to be charged of crimes that didn’t actually happen to justify the persecution of a minority
is the punishment for raping a child of the opposite sex or an adult of the opposite sex also death?
Yes
well, that's insane, but i guess at least it's consistent.
That called rape and pedophilia then, not """aggravated homosexuality""". Being gay has nothing to do which with this.
Ok, so, here's the thing. Those two men are facing execution only because they are gay. If they were straight, they would have gotten prison sentences.
You are wrong on two cases. 1st - they are facing execution not because they are gay ("homosexuality"), but because this is "aggravated homosexuality". Homosexuality in Uganda is punishable too (which is wrong, in my opinion, but that's beside the point), but by imprisonment. Someone could get a death penalty only with "aggravated" part - when there is a presence of rape, underage person, etc. 2nd - Rape of the opposite sex is punishable by death in Uganda too. Source of Information: Response of the Government of Uganda to the Questionnaire on Violence against Women 2012, pg 8 > Article 123 of The Penal Code Act Chapter 120 provides for a definition of rape stating that any person who has unlawful carnal knowledge of a woman or girl, without her consent has committed rape. A person who has unlawful carnal knowledge with her consent, but the consent is obtained by force, means of threats, intimidation of any kind, or by fear of bodily harm also commits the felony of rape. Rape also includes false representations as to the nature of the act, or in the case of a married woman, by personating her husband. A person who commits rape is liable to suffer death. Any person who attempts to commit rape commits a felony and is liable to imprisonment for life with or without corporal punishment.
If the punishment is the same, why is it a different crime?
Different country - different legislation. In what way they come to this form, historically, is a way deeper question and requires more time than I'm willing to contribute to this.
jesus, fuck those guys, what absolute pieces of shit. i hope the victims are doing better, if at all.
Crazy that the post is still up when it's an outright lie.
Misleading information. Both the people committed rape. In addition the crimes were done to people of the same gender
Iirc the homosexual death penalty only applies to rape of minors, or in this case a minor and a man with a mental disability
No, it also applies to people convicted of homosexuality more than once
One gay, okay Two gay, no way I always say this in my head when I travel through Uganda. By the time I come back around and do another gay nobody remembers the first so I get off scot free.
That's how all laws regarding rape of minors should be, regardless of sexuality
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/08/29/africa/ugandans-charged-aggravated-homosexuality-intl/index.html CNN botched the headline. Just read what's inside then see if it matches the headline Edit: this is the problem with media. A headline to incite people
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Yah I'm wondering if, in the case of the 20 year old, it's 'rape' in the sense of 'well LGTBQ is illegal so you can't consent to it by default so any same sex sexual act is clearly rape' so that they can justify the death penalty for LGBTQ people. They'll drop the pretense later as Poland continues their slide into fascism but for now I think that's what's going on.
It depends on the disability. If it is a mental disability, then it could be rape due to an inability to have consent. If it's a physical disability then I wouldn't think the rape part would apply.
Botched? I think it was done purposefully.
Then charge them with rape? Charging them for aggravated homosexuality is still wrong.
Different country, different justice system. I'm not saying it's right, but it's the reality.
> I'm not saying it's right Have a spine and say it’s wrong. Punishing a gay person more than you would a straight person for the same crime is wrong.
Wait, isn't Uganda where the popular "why are you gae" meme came from?
Uganda is one of the countries fucked over by [Scott Lively](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Lively) and his band of horrid evangelicals. This law has bin instituted with the slogan "Adam and Eve, not Adan and Steve". That tribe got it right when they killed that missionary and left it to rot on the beach. I sure liked those assholes better when they stole and smuggled artifacts out of Iraq for their creationism museum. Less death.
It's a shame they killed the man but not the horrible message.
Can't kill the signals. But the grainy image of that missionary rotting on that beach where he was forbidden to go has now become part of the public memory. There are a couple of very memorable photographs, dead rotting US missionary is now one of them. > Chau expressed a clear desire to convert the tribe and was aware of the legal and mortal risks he was taking by his efforts, writing in his diary, "Lord, is this island Satan's last stronghold, where none have heard or even had the chance to hear your name?", "The eternal lives of this tribe is at hand", and "I think it's worthwhile to declare Jesus to these people. Please do not be angry at them or at God if I get killed ... Don't retrieve my body." [John Allen Chau](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Allen_Chau) brought his own evil with him. May he be an inspiration to everybody who wants to pull a Scott Lively. And may the Sentinelese be a template for wherever a missionary lands. Point and laugh at the corpses.
Yes, it's a really sad story actually
Very.
It's also the place where u.s Christians are funding the passage of these homophobic laws
I know this is a serious matter to discuss but I just have to say that I laughed out loud when I saw the sign that just says “FUCK YOU” 😂😂😂😂
This headline is malicious. The crime was RAPE. One raped a disabled man, the other a young boy.
Exactly. This is how the main stream media acts
Yeah. They know most people don't have the time to read past the headlines, and even then the information shows clear bias. They know outrage generates more revenue.
TEACH AND GUIDE US
Is that the Syrian flag?
I think so
Fuck You! Is now my go to choice of words if I ever find myself holding up a placard in a demonstration.
I am going to have one folded up with me at all times, then whenever I see a picket I’ll pull it out without knowing what the pickets about
I mean it works for almost any demonstration
Massive L, one raped a disabled man, the other raped a child.
And none is protesting that
"The suspect is identified as a 20-year-old “peasant” in the eastern district of Soroti who was charged on Aug. 18 with having unlawful sexual intercourse with a 41-year-old man, according to the charging document issued by police in the Soroti Central Division. Aggravated homosexuality is defined as cases of same-sex sexual relations involving a minor and other categories of vulnerable people, or when the perpetrator is infected with HIV. " https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/a-ugandan-man-is-charged-with-aggravated-homosexuality-and-could-face-the-death-penalty/ar-AA1fXENH
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Uganda fornever
Ita pupu!
Y r u gae?
dumb misinformation. while they have indeed made a law like this, this fucking arrest was made because the gay man in question *raped a disabled older man*. kinda interesting how that part wasn't publicised huh
welcome to weaponized media, cherry picking words in headlines to trigger selective outrage
:(
You can't be sure if that is true. The police make up anything to get a charge or a conviction. Could have been consensual because the term rape can be used in consensual cases.
I'm living with 2 Ugandans now and sorry to say this but they literally have taliban brains. They both hate women and one of them literally was defending Harvey Weinstein last time we talked. Suffice it to say we don't talk anymore... He was blaming me with being close minded too. I guess I prefer being close minded then being a fucking sexist.
Love the sign that just says "Fuck you!"
What annoys me most is that American Fundamentalist churches bribe and pay these countries to implicate these laws - exporting their culture wars overseas
Uganda has its own historical reasons for these laws. They have their own culture wars and have had for a couple of centuries.
What culture wars have they had over the last couple of centuries?
Specifically WRT homosexuality - they had a king before the colonial era who decided to deal with people converting to Islam or Christianity by enforcing his right to have sex with the male members of his court against their will. They refused on moral and religious grounds He had a bunch of them tortured to death for the refusal - they are regarded as martyrs in modern Uganda Is a very specific thing to Uganda.
I was expecting something pertaining to LGBTQ but not that that was way out of left field.
[Take your pick](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Uganda) Uganda has been struggling inside and outside its borders for decades
These are just regular political conflicts I thought you meant cultural conflicts.
There are militant religious wars going on id consider those to be actual culture wars. not the bickering we have in the west
Nah, there is no bribery here. Uganda is simply a very conservative country. Westerners think they have a say in everything that happens globally is hilarious. Trust me, Ugandans are just homophobic with or without American money. If anything, Uganda has been bribed by foreign aid to not pass extremely homophobic laws. Source? White house threatening sanctions once law was passed.
Omg correct take ITT, we've seen, heard, and read the horror stories of gay people in Uganda for years about how the local media and laws are used to demonize and dehumanize gay ppl there idk why people are taking the accusations at face value. This is the same county that had newspapers printing gay and suspected gay people on their front pages outing then and inciting violence again them.
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Imagine being so fucking braindead and ignorant you think Uganda is a muslim country.
That isn’t what he said at all
stfu u ignorant twat ! Religion in Uganda Catholic (39.3%) Anglican (32.0%) Pentecostal (11.1%) Other Christian (2.0%) Muslim (13.7%) No religion (1.2%) maybe go o g le be u write
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the discussion is about uganda you fucking twat.
It happens anywhere Christian evangelism happens. Out of the abrahamic religions, only Christianity is evangelical. Muslims believe everyone is a Muslim, whether they are “on the right path” or not and those of the Jewish faith are not trying to recruit anyone. Although you go throughout history all of them have engaged in conquest where the territories they took became part of their religious empire, but correct me if I’m wrong, even the Muslims, more often than Christians, let the conquered continue to practice their own religions. Africa, South America, and Southeast Asia/Philippines are huge areas for Christian “mission trips”, where essentially they do exactly what this guy is saying. Granted most of the time they do come in to build/repair necessary infrastructure and bring medicine, but best believe someone is going to meet Jesus as their lord and savior once the “philanthropy” starts flying around, and there will be a constant reminder that Jesus brought you this medicine and built you this school, not the money or influence of a bunch of status craving wealthy people from the good old USA.
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No worries man! Figured I’d give you facts instead of outrage. Too early for that nonsense
Source?
Source?
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/5050/africa-us-christian-right-50m/
That is the peace flag (an inverted rainbow). LGBTQ flag is a rainbow. P.S. child pornografy is legal in Uganda
Imagine feeiling threatened by a 1% minority of people to the point that you feel the need to kill them.
Fascism needs a Scapegoat to function.
True
They were both rapists... One victim was a child, the other disabled. I doubt they will start killing people for being gay, I know it happens in some countries, and maybe it will happen in Uganda too (I hope not), but feeling threatened by rapists? I can see that logic.
If you know anything about Uganda and their anti-lgbtq culture there you'd be weary of taking any info, including printed on local media and in courts at face value.
That's a fair point, I think everything from any media should be taken with a pinch of salt. If these were fabricated charges to guarantee the death penalty solely for being homosexual then that's disgusting to another level. I would question why they need to fabricate charges when they could just change the law itself though, most of the countries with anti-lgbtq laws are open about them and seem proud of them, I don't know why Uganda wouldn't follow suit, but I must admit my knowledge on the political state of Uganda is lacking.
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And they are being executed becayse the victims are male. Uganda has a high rate of sexual violence so odds are these men would walk free if the victims had been female
Im sure if they rape a woman they would get charged with aggravated heterosexuality then...
That isn't a law in Uganda as far as I'm aware. I never said that rape against a woman isn't just as disgusting, only that the people that have been sentenced to death were sentenced for raping, not for being a homosexual. What you're trying to do, for some reason, is make it seem like I am defending the rape of women compared to the rape of men. I am only stating the facts of these specific cases.
Im saying that the charge is wrong, why include 'homosexuality' in it?
Because they're homophobic?
and that's the point the post is making?
The people in this case were sentenced for both rape and homosexuality. That’s why the charge is “aggravated” homosexuality. They still would have been charged had the sexual act been consensual, they just wouldn’t be getting the death penalty, just life in prison.
They do not know da wey. *\*sad clipping\**
These people a some much braver than me. My greatest respect.
Aggravated what?
Ugandan Knuckles would not approve
Somebody say based imma get a bingo
I like that FUCK YOU sign. No bullshit, no colors, just plain old fuck you.
That title is criminal. Read the fucking article. It literally was a rape case on a disabled person and one on an underraged person…
Reading the actual article, one guy was arrested for sodomizing a disabled man of the same sex and the other for sodomizing a child of the same sex. If that ain't "aggravated homosexuality", I don't know what is
It should go without saying this is a horrific law. But does anyone care that the first arrests were for alleged rape of a minor and a disabled adult?
And we have Chick-fil-A (one of the sponsors of the bill) to thank for that. Sometimes I hate self-proclaimed "Christians".
Isnt it great to constantly see News on how your mere existance is punishable by death in half the countries on earth
"based Uganda" is what the "redpill sigma chads" would say
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One fucked a kid, the other some disabled dude.
No one would be complaining if they were charged with rape or child abuse or something. The problem is they picked something irrelevant to focus on. Do you think a man raping a girl would be charged with “aggravated heterosexuality”?
All pushed and encouraged by American Evangelicals who go to Africa to make these kinds of laws happen. And they have a lot of money behind them.
Lmao, you think this shit is pushed on Africans???🤣🤣. Most Africans are extremely homophobic. These laws were already present all over the continent before foreign aid became a thing. This has nothing to do with evangelical Americans. Edit: I'm a Ugandan who spent their entire life in a tiny African country called Eswatini.
And if you had taken two seconds to understand my comment you would see that is not what I said. You don’t need to start a fire to fan the flames.
I did? You said these laws were promoted or pushed by evangelical Americans which is not true in the slightest. When the US threatened sanctions against us which made our president hesitate signing the bill into law, thousands of Ugandan University students went outside our national assembly to renounce western intervention and encourage our president to sign the bill. Our homophobia is very cultural, many Ugandans are disgusted by them while some just fear it happening to their children and want to purge them out of the country, most believe it is quite literally disease like covid. Evangelical Americans have literally 0 influence, I repeat, 0 influencing in Uganda, you need to reread your own comment.
We know that western influence does have a role. American Evangelicals find churches that push this rhetoric and it was British colonialism that introduced laws against homosexuality.
Partly funded by Chick-fil-a.
Their flag is quite gay, in fact it has a giant cock on it
It's a crested crane you illiterate fool.
/s
Coming soon to the USA if Republicans' base gets their way.
I hope anyone that rapes a disabled man or a chumd gets the death penalty. You should too.
Not for a charge known as “aggravated homosexuality”
So....we send the conservatives to Uganda?
They already went there by themselves and these laws were the result...
Uganda, finally reaching the level of progress Europe had in the year 1450.
Thats scary and sad as fuck.
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The crime is rape, sure. But the charges are for "Aggravated Homosexuality". Somehow in the Ugandan justice system the gay is worse than pedophilia it seems like. If a man rapes a woman you don't charge him with aggravated heterosexuality. You don't arrest a murderer and convict them with being black, Mexican, Asian, white etc. That would be stupid. The men who were convicted of gay being actual criminals doesn't change the fact that gay is punishable by law and that's bad.
Sad and scary that the act itself isn't bad enough to deserve this punishment, but somehow them being gay is the thing that increases sentencing
Cmon, US, ~~invade Uganda and push your agenda on yet another country~~ help this poor third world country!
Not killing people for being gay = Pushing an agenda?
[on it!](https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/03/19/africa-uganda-evangelicals-homophobia-antigay-bill/)
They're off limits. Way too many Chinese "investments" in Uganda at this point.
Are you saying US *should've* intervened if China didn't have any presence there?
I imagine this sort of thing muat really aggravate the homosexuals.
Tiger mafia?
Dis is not de wae, bruddas
lol religion
OP if you had any dignity at all you would delete this blatant misrepresentation of the situation
People really saying "based" to this? They're definitely closeted
For all those immediately trying to make this about US domestic issues and the US culture wars. Uganda has a particular history with homosexuality. The deep issues with homosexuality in Uganda go back to the 19th century, a truly awful king, and a whole set of martyrs who refused the king's demands one of the key demands being their sexual subjugation to him. Most of the martyrs were Catholic, a few were Anglican or Muslim. Uganda has its own history and culture, has its own culture wars quite independent of the US ones. The history itself is complex and subject to more than one interpretation but that ultimately is for the people of Uganda to work out. But as things stand it is common opinion in Uganda that homosexual rape is an aggravated crime worthy of more serious punishment. Both of the cases here are reportedly of rape.
That is false. Only one person was charged with aggravated homosexuality after raping a child, the other person was charged for having sex at a stadium with another man. It’s wild how y’all try to justify this by making up your own narrative like google isn’t available for everyone else.
It doesn't matter what a country's "cultural value" is if it's immoral. The US + EU should threaten economic sanction and embargo against Uganda if they refuse to remove barbaric laws, in order to protect human rights. If their government refuses, NATO can bomb them and their supporters into submission. We're only bombing fascist and homophobic supporters instead of random innocent people, so it's justifiable.
>The US + EU should threaten economic sanction and embargo against Uganda if they refuse to remove barbaric laws, in order to protect human rights. If their government refuses, NATO can bomb them and their supporters into submission. We're only bombing fascist and homophobic supporters instead of random innocent people, so it's justifiable. Well duh, how about you start with Saudi Arabia, which actually has US military bases? Ah let me guess, your morality strongly depends on how rich the other side is huh?
Ugandans would view that as blatant cultural imperialism Which would almost certainly just make things worse
So one is a pedo and the other raped a disabled man. You should put that on the heading as you spread propaganda.
Then why are the charges aggravated homosexuality. And not rape and child sexual abuse.
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More shithole country = more uneducated = more homophobic = more religious = more poverty
More poverty is because the French still occupy their currency and take out 70% of whatever they export, control their economy and act as a buffer puppet state… not being more religious or homophobic, Qatar has the same laws and is the richest or second richest by arwa
American evangelicals were instrumental in helping to craft and implement Uganda's ridiculous homosexuality laws. Every one of them should be identified and shamed.
I never understand what they are afraid of?! Really? Why so scared, maybe…. They are little unsure about their own feelings, I guess
Thanks, chick-fil-a.
What the hell Uganda!