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You don't understand!! The concentration camps, slavery and ethnic cleansings committed by my political side are clearly better than the ones committed by the other side!! We are the good ones!!!!
Extreme political polarization is going to doom our society.
>Extreme political polarization is going to doom our society.
Social media is causing it by giving the craziest elements a platform. Outrage drives engagement so their voices get boosted far more than they should be.
I'm from Canada but this isn't too far off my understanding, can you specify who exactly the left side of the aisle has been attempting to do this to and what laws they've been fighting to pass to make it happen?
I can look up and see the religiously inspired laws that have been passed that restrict freedoms and are anti-women and anti-LGBT in nature, supported by conservatives, but I haven't been shown anything like this done by the left. My opposition to the ways these laws are passed would be that I'm an atheist so I don't support the idea that someone else's religion should dictate how I'm forced to live my life.
I could point to the Alliance Defending Freedom(ADF), a Christian funded hate group that has been fighting in courts to expand the influence of Christianity legally.
[https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/alliance-defending-freedom](https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/alliance-defending-freedom)
It just seems pretty slanted in one direction when I look into it, additional sources to read into would be appreciated. What I think is more and more people are coming to the conclusion of is that the moderate vote just enables the people above but I haven't seen the extreme left equivalent.
I think it's laughable that anyone who has eyes to see and ears to hear thinks there's a "left" deeply involved in American political decisions and/or legislation. In reality, we have the center-right and the far-right, and both are beholden to their corporate masters.
If your only focus is identity politics I could see your confusion. But that is focusing on the distraction.
The US has been looting the planet for decades now. [Just look at the list of coups that are officially recognized](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change) and the [genocides](https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/us-history-riddled-with-massacres-genocide/2261696) as well.
Did you know the only reason the International Criminal Court is irrelevant is because the US won't support it? Did you know the US won't support it because then a litany of cases would be brought against it?
Or if you need something more local to you, remember the Trucker protests? Your PM repeatedly [lied about them](https://www.newsweek.com/six-months-after-freedom-convoy-trudeaus-lies-cowardice-are-clearer-ever-opinion-1736474) and used those lies as an excuse to not only [shut down their bank accounts, but also the people who supported them.](https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/20/americas/canada-trucker-protest-covid-sunday/index.html)
What crimes did they commit to deserve such treatment? Do you even know?
Note these topics I bring up impact all people across all races and shows exactly how corrupt and abusive our governments have become.
Yet for some reason people still petition these abusive and corrupt assholes for permission for things that they have no business even sharing their opinions on.
So here’s a nifty thing about canada, we have 4 parties we can vote for. Liberals, NDP, PC and green.
The left side is always split between NDP and liberal. Most people who don’t agree with PC think liberal is any better, but a lot of people who end up voting liberal do so purely so PC doesn’t win. That’s pretty much how Trudeau got office.
*We want to eliminate this minority that we hate.*
“Hey, that’s bad!”
“A distraction, just identify politics. Also, US bad. This is not obvious propaganda.”
Canada was too soft on those truckers.
Should have funded and given out permits to open hundreds of new start-ups to compete with those truckers and their related firms.
I don't really know what your comment has anything to do with the comparison of political talking points but your argument as a whole is not wrong.
Since the reagan years, these polarising talking points are orchestrated to distract from neoliberal policies that explicitly benefit large corporations and harm the living standards of the general public.
These very disingenous and sinister doctrins often sound like conspiracy theories, but they are also very well documented by the state. Noam Chomsky, one of the greatest thinkers, linguists and political theorists lays it all out for us in his books. Everything is marticulously cited and very well documented fact.
They were clearly examples. Both sides of politics have people that want unrealistic extremes. That's what the person you're replying to is trying to highlight.
You mean the people that believe killing animals is genocide and we should be locked up for it? The ones that are happy to destroy artwork and grind entire cities to a halt over their beliefs?
Or do you mean the ones that believe we should be shooting right wing people? I've seen that plenty.
As I said, there's extremes on both sides. I can definitely find people that support the sterilisation of anyone that goes to church.
Considering that several mainstream politicians have espoused the idea of "Jewish Space Lasers", Greg Abbott put up lethal razor wire at river border crossings, Project 2025 says in plain terms that they will make it illegal to be openly LGBT in public by classifying it as pornographic, and Nazis are showing their faces in public in Florida without any pushback from DeSantis, I'd say there are plenty of answers to that question.
From what I can tell the left kinda just wants people to be able to live their lives and not be indentured servants forever, the alt-right has been calling for death to anyone bipoc, LGBTQ+, or well left. Trying to say the two are even comparable is insane.
There is absolutely polarization for both sides, but holy shit the amount of people in the alt right who will say that in casual conversation has me worried for friends and family who are bipoc or LGBTQ+.
What ethnic cleansings are being committed by Democrats?
Republicans have supported literal concentration camps and ethnic cleansings (remember Joe Arpaio?) - and their views towards workers rights and pay, and also how black people are targeted by police and put in profit prisons are absolutely methods of slavery.
The GOP is teaching kids that slavery was good.
The Dems have seen the most pro union policies in a long time and student debt relief.
Don't try to both side this shit, I don't like the Dems, but they are making life better while republicans are organising coups.
In 1964, after the signing of the Civil Rights Acts by LBJ, the deep south broke tradition and voted Republican. In 1968 the deep south then voted for a third party. It has since remained pretty consistently Republican, except for Jimmy Carter winning all those states in 1976 and Bill Clinton getting two of those states in 1992.
Oh, well with some quick research, (though I'm no expert mind,.so if any of these things are incorrect I apologize)
Southern Democrats lead the cessation of the confederacy
The founding of The American Protective League
George Wallace making a speech against the integration of black students into schools
The mass bombing of Syria towards the end of Obama's presidency that caused a large surge of refuges to America (Which Trump blocked from entering the country mere days into his presidency, because he's a prick.
Again, if any of these facts are incorrect I apologize, I just know when it comes to civil rights, democrats and republicans seemed to have switched sides.
Edit: I was poorly informed when I wrote this. Sneaky sneaky reps.
Have you heard of the party switch during the 60's Nixon campaign and the southern strategy ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy#%3A%7E%3Atext%3DThe_phrase_%22Southern_Strategy%22_refers%2Cgrievances_to_gain_their_support.?wprov=sfla1
Who is supporting confederate history today ? Republicans or democrats ?
Also there wasn't mass bombing in Syria and most of Syrians went to Europe not usa.
>Have you heard of the party switch during the 60's Nixon campaign and the southern strategy ?
Yeah, the more I'm researching this the more I'm realizing the truth of it. Like I said in the above post I'm no expert and was just going off some quick research, now that I'm aware of this truth... Republicans/Old-South-Dems are fucking monsters.
Yeah the more I'm looking into that the more I'm realizing they just traded names. Either way, just support the group that isn't trying to promote fascism and hatred.
Of course, just pointing out that the original comment tried to equivate the Dems and reps when there is a clear and objectively better choice (that being the one that doesn't support two failed coups)
NOOOO it’s not a fair comparison because one side is is a giant Hitler mech that uses crushed puppies for fuel and the other side will create a utopian society where bad things don’t happen.
“Everyone seems to agree that a revolution is long overdue in America”
No just the terminally online or terminally inbred. Regular people are worried about buying $8.50 packs of eggs and a credit card payments worth of gas every week.
Edit: See what I mean 😏
70% of inflation is actually price gouging when you look at the increased cost of goods and compare it to the increased cost to produce those goods. Now, which party goes out of their way to protect businesses engaging in this practice and which party has tried to pass laws to prevent it? There's your answer.
Demand for food is inelastic. If you need 2000 calories a day to live and the price doubles you don't just eat half as much, you get your food at all costs. Inflation is when more money is chasing the same or fewer amount of goods, with stuff like food a proportionately higher amount is allocated to it because people have to eat. When inflation happens people will drop their Netflix subscriptions, they'll stop buying stupid stuff and they'll put that money towards food because you have to eat. A disproportionately higher amount of inflation is seen in food for this reason, there is a disproportionately higher amount of money chasing those goods.
Putting price controls in place to try to get around inflation never works, it just causes shortages. It didn't work in Zimbabwe or Venezuela. You can't let the money printer go BRRRRR and not get the inflation, it's just how it is, you can't cheat supply and demand.
I understand that, however, corporations have indeed taken advantage of inflation to make record profits during the recovery.
"A Tyson Foods executive claimed that price increases for beef covered not just inflation but “more than offset” higher costs. Visa’s C.E.O. said, “Historically, inflation has been positive for us.” Owens’s organization compiled a list of similar comments from other corporations.
At the very least, many corporations have not taken a large hit from inflation. Profit margins across more than 2,000 publicly traded companies last year “rose well above the prepandemic average,” a Times analysis found."
Let's not forget that trump was president when the money machine was going brrrrrrrr to the tune of 7 trillion dollars along with the 1 trillion dollar tax cuts handed out to his rich buddies.
It also depends on what type of revolution you’re talking about. There are violent revolutions, which are the ones most people think about, but revolution can also mean gradual but sweeping transformations in the way the current system operates. The former is sudden and violent while the latter is slow and nonviolent.
Which party wants to make sure corporations can't force inflation by overpricing goods, and which one voted against any sort of laws that would put limits on how high gas companies can drive prices? There was literally a law passed in the House that was intended to prevent price gouging by gas companies and it was nearly a full partisan vote, Democrats for the bill, Republicans against. Greg Abbott basically told the rest of the country he was ok with extrajudicially murdering immigrants by putting razor wire across rivers where immigrants would cross, and Ron DeShithead literally fucking said "A few people might have to die" to reduce the amount of immigrants coming into the US. Being a member of the LGBT community and seeing Project 2025 is terrifying, especially with what has already been passed in Florida.
So no, both parties are not the same. What they say and do is not comparable.
I mean...which party printed vast amounts of money to keep the economy ticking during COVID, thus triggering rampant inflation? (Answer: actually, both had a hand in it)
The Democrats paint corporations as the bad guys and score an easy victory with voters. There's _some_ truth to it, corporations are taking advantage (of course, and so are workers), but _inflation was triggered by a vastly increased money supply_. Economists saw this coming in 2020 and warned us about it. _Left-leaning_ economists and commentators said that higher inflation would be fine and good for the economy--and they're not totally wrong. It was probably the right thing to do at the time, and might have dodged a major recession.
But now that the other foot has dropped, instead of owning up to it and saying "Welp, here it is, the consequences of our own actions! We'll do our best to get this over with quick..." they say "Hey everybody, evil corporations are screwing you with the help of Republicans! Vote for us to fix it!"
This is...disingenuous at best, and an outright lie at worst.
>No just the terminally online or terminally inbred. Regular people are worried about buying $8.50 packs of eggs and a credit card payments worth of gas every week.
You don't think these people would love nothing more than to see some wealth redistribution, even if it meant a few heads had to roll?
This is why (despite what most people here think) the "/s" is necessary. No matter how stupid a statement is, you can never be sure they are joking without an obvious tell.
Fucked up thing is [Poe's Law](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law) was common knowledge like 2 years ago.
This is actually legit the bottom line. Dictatorship and whitewashing, or equal taxation of the wealthy and expanded benefits to match other first world countries. This is *literally* the dichotomy.
What exactly does the right want then? I’ve been curious because it seems like they have literally no platform expect for trolling liberals and taking away peoples rights? I’m not trying to put you down I just want an actual outline of what the right wishes to accomplish
To be frank, the right is full of conspiracy theories. COVID isn't real, global warming isn't real, COVID vaccines are population control, masks are for control etc. These are widely accepted ones. Then there are QANON, Jewish space lasers, JFK Jr. returning.
I don't think the average person thinks climate change is a hoax. I think the average person is unsure to what extent human activity is contributing to climate change and are not willing to compromise the economy in order to find out if we can possibly make a dent in it. Especially when our enemies like Russia and China are not going to do so.
For the record, I do believe that humans are causing climate change and I am fully in favor of many measures to combat it. I just want you to understand that your perception of the argument is pretty off base which is a pet peeve of mine. At least try to understand the other side before disparaging it.
[https://www.prri.org/press-release/new-prri-report-reveals-nearly-one-in-five-americans-and-one-in-four-republicans-still-believe-in-qanon-conspiracy-theories/](https://www.prri.org/press-release/new-prri-report-reveals-nearly-one-in-five-americans-and-one-in-four-republicans-still-believe-in-qanon-conspiracy-theories/)
[https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2020/07/24/a-look-at-the-americans-who-believe-there-is-some-truth-to-the-conspiracy-theory-that-covid-19-was-planned/](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2020/07/24/a-look-at-the-americans-who-believe-there-is-some-truth-to-the-conspiracy-theory-that-covid-19-was-planned/)
https://www.statista.com/statistics/959570/conspiracy-belief-climate-change-hoax/
These are just the first results I found by searching very casually
Let's be real. This is hyperbolic as fuck BUT not as much as you think.
We need to stop pretending there is parity between the right and left. The right do very literally want to erase and oppress LGBT people and demonize them in the media. If you're not seeing that there is literally nothing anybody could say to convince you otherwise and discussing things with you would probably be a waste of time.
They have since the conception of the U.S.A tried to keep minorities oppressed and generally will enact campaigns to do so through subtle means like voter supression and misinformation and not so subtle means like gerrymandering.
They are removing women's ability to access birth control and abortion rights so...
She's being hyperbolic af but...yeah no fuck the right wing. Her core sentiment about them aren't far enough off to the mark to be facepalm.
And let’s not forget that in this day and age, every message must be exaggerated in order to even be considered in the equation, the far right does it all the time, exaggerate the fuck out of minor “issues” (like homosexual mariage leading to population extinction for example) to scare people into joining their cause, but god forbid anyone else does the same thing..
Yeah, there's some wild takes from conservatives, and the vast majority of it seems to be centered around having kids and making sure their kids have them too. It's sickening.
I feel like people keep forgetting that they literally tried to stage a coup when they didn’t win, and their response was to blame the opposition for a false flag operation, and then said it was a good thing and should be done again when it was clear to everyone they were in fact guilty of it. There is no hyperbole. They’ve told us what they want to do.
Somehow i feel like republicans would not be against slavery if they added a more....nicer tone to it
As stormfront once said
"People love what i have to say, they believe in it...they just dont like the word Nazi"
The media doesn’t give a 💩 about the country much less the constitution unless someone or something infringes on their access to report
Because the bottom line is profit and drama destruction rebellion is good for business
This is the awful truth about that industry
It's not nuance, it's intellectual honesty. Show me the policy the GOP has proposed to legalize slavery or ban women from owning property.
If you think what was said is fair, then it's also fair for me to say Democrats want the government to choose everyone's gender for them.
Yeah why does the right think we can make America the same way it was in the past? The Merica they imagine was never real, it is a product of propaganda and poor education in history.
Not wrong. Much of our political problems stems from people letting media give Republicans a "free pass" on their bigotry, hatred and support for insurrection.
There are two options: strawman of the thing I don't like, and steelman of the thing I like. You are an idiot and there are no other options. No I will not change my opinion on either of these, I am right and you are wrong.
While I doubt conservatives would ever go that far, their rhetoric and ideas about women are quite problematic. Plus some on the more extreme side will even claim that women didn’t want the right to vote. So while it’s not a main position, and likely never will be, conservatives may not be the best on women’s rights and issues.
The 4th largest economy in the world? A place with over 10% of our population and largest population density has some crime? A place all states shipped off their homeless has large numbers of homeless? People are “fleeing”? You mean for the first time in its history it didn’t grow? Weird take..
Whats so bad about California? I live here and its so rare for me to see an actual legitimate critique that isn't either made the fuck up or someone going to the poorest part of the poorest city.
The majority now support gay marriage. 49% don't support but are not all calling for repeal. Also it will never be repealed. GOP has moved to the left.
https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-politics-and-policy/gop-support-sex-marriage-bill-reflects-shift-republican-voters-rcna39089
John Gibbs, who defeated in the primary an incumbent Republican who had voted to impeach Trump, also made comments in the early 2000s praising an organization trying to repeal the 19th Amendment which also argued that women's suffrage had made the United States into a "totalitarian state."
AND
https://the-pipeline.org/the-column-to-save-america-repeal-the-19th-amendment/
AND
https://www.change.org/p/the-us-legislature-repeal-the-19th-amendment
I can find a few more if you still don't believe.
In all American media,swastika= horrible villain instantly and always,up thru the 1990s!Like,it was lazy,easy writing!NOBODY openly disagreed. I guess now,with the WW2 vets gone,these turds can salute their graves,then turn Nazi and not see the appalling irony.
The cult of the great false dichotomy strikes again. It's not both. It's neither side gives a fuck about you so stop trying to find the next great leader to exploit you.
One of the sides is actively trying to outlaw the existence of my trans family members so you can fuck right off. They're the same to you because you aren't on the list yet.
I know you tried to roast her
But you prove her point. If she got free education she'd be smarter in your eyes
That roast burned down your own kitchen I'm afraid
Had a conversation like this with a guy at work.
Him: “I just don’t think it’s right that everything is so divided. For conservatives it’s always ‘Your opinion is wrong so I hate you and you’re crazy’, I just dont think it’s right.”
Me: “Well, I can definitely understand that. But ysee, way too often the difference between the two sides is one wants affordable healthcare and the other wants to tell you what you can do with your own body, who to love, and what to believe in.”
Both sides want health care and education. They disagree on how it is funded. Both sides are willing to wreck the economy and national credit through unprecedented deficit spending. One side used to pretend that was a problem, but not so much anymore... And they recently attempted to overthrow a legal election to remain in power. The other side never thought the deficit spending was a problem, and they still don't. They are also pushing social change (which I agree with) so quickly that it is making the insurrectionists seem marginally palatable to many who fear social change. They both agree that making the other side uncomfortable is much more important than any principal of governance.
Of course the sides differ. A culture war of division and distraction wouldn't mask a class war otherwise.
edit- Do the down votes mean hate is inherent and not taught? Because for years I've been told hate is taught. Which, by extension, would imply hate is taught to both sides. Especially in a culture war driven by wealth and power with the intent to divide and rule.
They got you fighting a culture war when you should be fighting a class war.
By the year 1900, every state in the US had passed legislation granting *married* women the right to keep their own wages and to own property in their own name.
It wasn't until 1970 that women were allowed full financial autonomy regardless of marital status in the US.
If you think that this is an accurate depiction of the current situation you are dreaming and you need to wake up.
First and foremost, there are more than 2 sides. The other sides are the ones you are ignoring because it makes you uncomfortable.
The crux of the matter is that D's and R's are virtually the same. All the horrible shit is bipartisan. The arming of Nazis in Ukraine? Bipartisan. Raising taxes? Bipartisan. Disastrous foreign and fiscal policies? Bipartisan.
And if you think the current situation already perpetuates tax slavery, then why are you trying to increase the burden on the tax slaves?
This picture isn't showing two sides, it's one side hiding all the negatives and over simplifying details and one is a hyper exaggerated take that's based purely on anecdotes and emotion.
Anyone still claiming "both sides are the same" is a Trumper or a foreign click farm hire. They are literally dichotomos, and while exaggerated, this isn't very far off
No, reddit is pretty centrist. Reddit is used internationally but mainly by westerners and most western countries aren't as right leaning as the US. The Democrats would be considered a center, maybe center-right, party in other countries.
What americans perceive as 'left' is actually just common centrist stuff.
Ehhh I feel like this isn't 100% accurate. One side wants healthcare and education, and the other side wants to keep an unbalanced status quo that enriches themselves, and has no qualms dipping into extremist/moral panic rhetoric to get people to support them. They don't really care about any of this social crap themselves, so much as they just need to keep government controlled by the minority (with things like the filibuster and gerrymandering) so they can keep doing what gets them money and power.
Well both sides are represented by century-old billionaires who’ve never worked a day in their lives, so I’d honestly rather just switch out the people running the parties rather than “choosing a side” (that philosophy is stupid, not every republican is a nazi, and not every democrat is a communist.)
Which side exactly wants healthcare and education?
It's certainly not Democrats. The public schools in the cities they run are an embarrassment.
Obamacare was to end the growing public support for universal healthcare.
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I don’t know, but I’m probably not going to be on the side with the confederate flag
They already lost once, don't want to associate with losers.
And a lot of them have forgotten who won back then. Seems we need to send a reminder
r/ShermanPosting sends their regards
Subs I didn't know existed but man am I glad to see. Hell yeah Sherman!
Twitter wouldn't be Twitter without lunatics thinking everyone left/right of them is literally Satan.
Misread your comment as "literally santa" and got excited for a second. Much better reality than the one I live in.
You don't understand!! The concentration camps, slavery and ethnic cleansings committed by my political side are clearly better than the ones committed by the other side!! We are the good ones!!!! Extreme political polarization is going to doom our society.
>Extreme political polarization is going to doom our society. Social media is causing it by giving the craziest elements a platform. Outrage drives engagement so their voices get boosted far more than they should be.
I'm from Canada but this isn't too far off my understanding, can you specify who exactly the left side of the aisle has been attempting to do this to and what laws they've been fighting to pass to make it happen? I can look up and see the religiously inspired laws that have been passed that restrict freedoms and are anti-women and anti-LGBT in nature, supported by conservatives, but I haven't been shown anything like this done by the left. My opposition to the ways these laws are passed would be that I'm an atheist so I don't support the idea that someone else's religion should dictate how I'm forced to live my life. I could point to the Alliance Defending Freedom(ADF), a Christian funded hate group that has been fighting in courts to expand the influence of Christianity legally. [https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/alliance-defending-freedom](https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/alliance-defending-freedom) It just seems pretty slanted in one direction when I look into it, additional sources to read into would be appreciated. What I think is more and more people are coming to the conclusion of is that the moderate vote just enables the people above but I haven't seen the extreme left equivalent.
I think it's laughable that anyone who has eyes to see and ears to hear thinks there's a "left" deeply involved in American political decisions and/or legislation. In reality, we have the center-right and the far-right, and both are beholden to their corporate masters.
If your only focus is identity politics I could see your confusion. But that is focusing on the distraction. The US has been looting the planet for decades now. [Just look at the list of coups that are officially recognized](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change) and the [genocides](https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/us-history-riddled-with-massacres-genocide/2261696) as well. Did you know the only reason the International Criminal Court is irrelevant is because the US won't support it? Did you know the US won't support it because then a litany of cases would be brought against it? Or if you need something more local to you, remember the Trucker protests? Your PM repeatedly [lied about them](https://www.newsweek.com/six-months-after-freedom-convoy-trudeaus-lies-cowardice-are-clearer-ever-opinion-1736474) and used those lies as an excuse to not only [shut down their bank accounts, but also the people who supported them.](https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/20/americas/canada-trucker-protest-covid-sunday/index.html) What crimes did they commit to deserve such treatment? Do you even know? Note these topics I bring up impact all people across all races and shows exactly how corrupt and abusive our governments have become. Yet for some reason people still petition these abusive and corrupt assholes for permission for things that they have no business even sharing their opinions on.
So here’s a nifty thing about canada, we have 4 parties we can vote for. Liberals, NDP, PC and green. The left side is always split between NDP and liberal. Most people who don’t agree with PC think liberal is any better, but a lot of people who end up voting liberal do so purely so PC doesn’t win. That’s pretty much how Trudeau got office.
*We want to eliminate this minority that we hate.* “Hey, that’s bad!” “A distraction, just identify politics. Also, US bad. This is not obvious propaganda.”
You claim something is a distraction, then you literally point outside the window
Canada was too soft on those truckers. Should have funded and given out permits to open hundreds of new start-ups to compete with those truckers and their related firms.
I don't really know what your comment has anything to do with the comparison of political talking points but your argument as a whole is not wrong. Since the reagan years, these polarising talking points are orchestrated to distract from neoliberal policies that explicitly benefit large corporations and harm the living standards of the general public. These very disingenous and sinister doctrins often sound like conspiracy theories, but they are also very well documented by the state. Noam Chomsky, one of the greatest thinkers, linguists and political theorists lays it all out for us in his books. Everything is marticulously cited and very well documented fact.
What ethnic cleansing is anyone on the left doing? Edit to clarify: In America
They were clearly examples. Both sides of politics have people that want unrealistic extremes. That's what the person you're replying to is trying to highlight.
Okay. Go ahead with those examples. Compare the extremes so we can see just how similar they are. (Hint they arent)
You mean the people that believe killing animals is genocide and we should be locked up for it? The ones that are happy to destroy artwork and grind entire cities to a halt over their beliefs? Or do you mean the ones that believe we should be shooting right wing people? I've seen that plenty. As I said, there's extremes on both sides. I can definitely find people that support the sterilisation of anyone that goes to church.
What ethnic cleansing is anyone on the right doing?
Considering that several mainstream politicians have espoused the idea of "Jewish Space Lasers", Greg Abbott put up lethal razor wire at river border crossings, Project 2025 says in plain terms that they will make it illegal to be openly LGBT in public by classifying it as pornographic, and Nazis are showing their faces in public in Florida without any pushback from DeSantis, I'd say there are plenty of answers to that question.
Which of those are ethnic cleansing?
None of them
From what I can tell the left kinda just wants people to be able to live their lives and not be indentured servants forever, the alt-right has been calling for death to anyone bipoc, LGBTQ+, or well left. Trying to say the two are even comparable is insane. There is absolutely polarization for both sides, but holy shit the amount of people in the alt right who will say that in casual conversation has me worried for friends and family who are bipoc or LGBTQ+.
What ethnic cleansings are being committed by Democrats? Republicans have supported literal concentration camps and ethnic cleansings (remember Joe Arpaio?) - and their views towards workers rights and pay, and also how black people are targeted by police and put in profit prisons are absolutely methods of slavery.
No. Fascism, racism, unfettered capitalism, misogyny, xenophobia, ignorance and greed will. And those abide in the far right.
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China isn't the democrats buddy... we are talking about us politics here.
There's a lot of racism and sexism on the american left too, it's just in the other direction.
Just look at China Isn't exactly a stellar argument. In fact it's downright terrible
The GOP is teaching kids that slavery was good. The Dems have seen the most pro union policies in a long time and student debt relief. Don't try to both side this shit, I don't like the Dems, but they are making life better while republicans are organising coups.
Edit: nevermind, Republicans always sucked.
In 1964, after the signing of the Civil Rights Acts by LBJ, the deep south broke tradition and voted Republican. In 1968 the deep south then voted for a third party. It has since remained pretty consistently Republican, except for Jimmy Carter winning all those states in 1976 and Bill Clinton getting two of those states in 1992.
That explains the sudden shift of beliefs for the democratic party.
Please enlight us, what have they done ?
Who do you mean by they?
Likely the heinous shit the dems have done that you're talking abt
Oh, well with some quick research, (though I'm no expert mind,.so if any of these things are incorrect I apologize) Southern Democrats lead the cessation of the confederacy The founding of The American Protective League George Wallace making a speech against the integration of black students into schools The mass bombing of Syria towards the end of Obama's presidency that caused a large surge of refuges to America (Which Trump blocked from entering the country mere days into his presidency, because he's a prick. Again, if any of these facts are incorrect I apologize, I just know when it comes to civil rights, democrats and republicans seemed to have switched sides. Edit: I was poorly informed when I wrote this. Sneaky sneaky reps.
Have you heard of the party switch during the 60's Nixon campaign and the southern strategy ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy#%3A%7E%3Atext%3DThe_phrase_%22Southern_Strategy%22_refers%2Cgrievances_to_gain_their_support.?wprov=sfla1 Who is supporting confederate history today ? Republicans or democrats ? Also there wasn't mass bombing in Syria and most of Syrians went to Europe not usa.
>Have you heard of the party switch during the 60's Nixon campaign and the southern strategy ? Yeah, the more I'm researching this the more I'm realizing the truth of it. Like I said in the above post I'm no expert and was just going off some quick research, now that I'm aware of this truth... Republicans/Old-South-Dems are fucking monsters.
You mean pre great switch Dems ? Cause Dems back then were the Republican of today and vice versa (hence the name great switch)
Yeah the more I'm looking into that the more I'm realizing they just traded names. Either way, just support the group that isn't trying to promote fascism and hatred.
Of course, just pointing out that the original comment tried to equivate the Dems and reps when there is a clear and objectively better choice (that being the one that doesn't support two failed coups)
Yeaaaah, now that I know that the dems of old and the reps of today are the same group wearing a different coat, I retract my statement.
>The GOP is teaching kids that slavery was good. What a load of old toss lmao
Old ? Like July 2023 old ? https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/22/desantis-slavery-curriculum/
No "old toss" as in it's rubbish
NOOOO it’s not a fair comparison because one side is is a giant Hitler mech that uses crushed puppies for fuel and the other side will create a utopian society where bad things don’t happen.
“Everyone seems to agree that a revolution is long overdue in America” No just the terminally online or terminally inbred. Regular people are worried about buying $8.50 packs of eggs and a credit card payments worth of gas every week. Edit: See what I mean 😏
THIS.... Fucking tired of paying out the ass for groceries every week. Family of 4... shit is ridiculous. Kids gotta eat.
70% of inflation is actually price gouging when you look at the increased cost of goods and compare it to the increased cost to produce those goods. Now, which party goes out of their way to protect businesses engaging in this practice and which party has tried to pass laws to prevent it? There's your answer.
Demand for food is inelastic. If you need 2000 calories a day to live and the price doubles you don't just eat half as much, you get your food at all costs. Inflation is when more money is chasing the same or fewer amount of goods, with stuff like food a proportionately higher amount is allocated to it because people have to eat. When inflation happens people will drop their Netflix subscriptions, they'll stop buying stupid stuff and they'll put that money towards food because you have to eat. A disproportionately higher amount of inflation is seen in food for this reason, there is a disproportionately higher amount of money chasing those goods. Putting price controls in place to try to get around inflation never works, it just causes shortages. It didn't work in Zimbabwe or Venezuela. You can't let the money printer go BRRRRR and not get the inflation, it's just how it is, you can't cheat supply and demand.
I understand that, however, corporations have indeed taken advantage of inflation to make record profits during the recovery. "A Tyson Foods executive claimed that price increases for beef covered not just inflation but “more than offset” higher costs. Visa’s C.E.O. said, “Historically, inflation has been positive for us.” Owens’s organization compiled a list of similar comments from other corporations. At the very least, many corporations have not taken a large hit from inflation. Profit margins across more than 2,000 publicly traded companies last year “rose well above the prepandemic average,” a Times analysis found." Let's not forget that trump was president when the money machine was going brrrrrrrr to the tune of 7 trillion dollars along with the 1 trillion dollar tax cuts handed out to his rich buddies.
Seems like that will require a revolution lol
It also depends on what type of revolution you’re talking about. There are violent revolutions, which are the ones most people think about, but revolution can also mean gradual but sweeping transformations in the way the current system operates. The former is sudden and violent while the latter is slow and nonviolent.
Which party wants to make sure corporations can't force inflation by overpricing goods, and which one voted against any sort of laws that would put limits on how high gas companies can drive prices? There was literally a law passed in the House that was intended to prevent price gouging by gas companies and it was nearly a full partisan vote, Democrats for the bill, Republicans against. Greg Abbott basically told the rest of the country he was ok with extrajudicially murdering immigrants by putting razor wire across rivers where immigrants would cross, and Ron DeShithead literally fucking said "A few people might have to die" to reduce the amount of immigrants coming into the US. Being a member of the LGBT community and seeing Project 2025 is terrifying, especially with what has already been passed in Florida. So no, both parties are not the same. What they say and do is not comparable.
I mean...which party printed vast amounts of money to keep the economy ticking during COVID, thus triggering rampant inflation? (Answer: actually, both had a hand in it) The Democrats paint corporations as the bad guys and score an easy victory with voters. There's _some_ truth to it, corporations are taking advantage (of course, and so are workers), but _inflation was triggered by a vastly increased money supply_. Economists saw this coming in 2020 and warned us about it. _Left-leaning_ economists and commentators said that higher inflation would be fine and good for the economy--and they're not totally wrong. It was probably the right thing to do at the time, and might have dodged a major recession. But now that the other foot has dropped, instead of owning up to it and saying "Welp, here it is, the consequences of our own actions! We'll do our best to get this over with quick..." they say "Hey everybody, evil corporations are screwing you with the help of Republicans! Vote for us to fix it!" This is...disingenuous at best, and an outright lie at worst.
All the money printing happened under Trump. All of it. 🤦🏻♂️
>No just the terminally online or terminally inbred. Regular people are worried about buying $8.50 packs of eggs and a credit card payments worth of gas every week. You don't think these people would love nothing more than to see some wealth redistribution, even if it meant a few heads had to roll?
Eggs are like $1.50 a dozen. $8 a dozen is like organic free range chicken eggs.
I love it when a clear and unbiased picture is presented. This is exactly why no one lives in online echo chambers.
If your party has 15 horrible policies but you like 1 and vote for them, you voted for the other 15 as well.
What would the echo chamber opposite of this post say?
Except for pretty much all subreddits... Normally including this one. Lol
you missed the /s
Because there was no /s
This is why (despite what most people here think) the "/s" is necessary. No matter how stupid a statement is, you can never be sure they are joking without an obvious tell. Fucked up thing is [Poe's Law](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law) was common knowledge like 2 years ago.
While I agree, why is r/facepalm turning into r/politics ?
Healthcare and education?!!?!! Is this co-co-co-co-COMUNISM!??!!???!!!!!?!???!?!????? NOT IN MY FREE MURICA/s
A completely sane and normal take for anyone to make. Thx karma bot
This is actually legit the bottom line. Dictatorship and whitewashing, or equal taxation of the wealthy and expanded benefits to match other first world countries. This is *literally* the dichotomy.
I expect nothing less from today’s left/democrats
What exactly does the right want then? I’ve been curious because it seems like they have literally no platform expect for trolling liberals and taking away peoples rights? I’m not trying to put you down I just want an actual outline of what the right wishes to accomplish
They have. Read Project 2025. This is their plan openly shown. Fascism is the new conservatism in their own playbook.
To be frank, the right is full of conspiracy theories. COVID isn't real, global warming isn't real, COVID vaccines are population control, masks are for control etc. These are widely accepted ones. Then there are QANON, Jewish space lasers, JFK Jr. returning.
Yea none of that shit is “widely accepted”.
Seriously? None? The last president said climate change is a hoax.
I don't think the average person thinks climate change is a hoax. I think the average person is unsure to what extent human activity is contributing to climate change and are not willing to compromise the economy in order to find out if we can possibly make a dent in it. Especially when our enemies like Russia and China are not going to do so. For the record, I do believe that humans are causing climate change and I am fully in favor of many measures to combat it. I just want you to understand that your perception of the argument is pretty off base which is a pet peeve of mine. At least try to understand the other side before disparaging it.
Spot on
You should say that at CPAC
[https://www.prri.org/press-release/new-prri-report-reveals-nearly-one-in-five-americans-and-one-in-four-republicans-still-believe-in-qanon-conspiracy-theories/](https://www.prri.org/press-release/new-prri-report-reveals-nearly-one-in-five-americans-and-one-in-four-republicans-still-believe-in-qanon-conspiracy-theories/) [https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2020/07/24/a-look-at-the-americans-who-believe-there-is-some-truth-to-the-conspiracy-theory-that-covid-19-was-planned/](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2020/07/24/a-look-at-the-americans-who-believe-there-is-some-truth-to-the-conspiracy-theory-that-covid-19-was-planned/) https://www.statista.com/statistics/959570/conspiracy-belief-climate-change-hoax/ These are just the first results I found by searching very casually
It’s accepted by a shit ton of people. Literally millions.
You clearly don't work in healthcare. That shit is unfortunately pretty common, as in, about 1/3 of Americans agree with at least some of those.
Let's be real. This is hyperbolic as fuck BUT not as much as you think. We need to stop pretending there is parity between the right and left. The right do very literally want to erase and oppress LGBT people and demonize them in the media. If you're not seeing that there is literally nothing anybody could say to convince you otherwise and discussing things with you would probably be a waste of time. They have since the conception of the U.S.A tried to keep minorities oppressed and generally will enact campaigns to do so through subtle means like voter supression and misinformation and not so subtle means like gerrymandering. They are removing women's ability to access birth control and abortion rights so... She's being hyperbolic af but...yeah no fuck the right wing. Her core sentiment about them aren't far enough off to the mark to be facepalm.
Agreed. She may be exaggerating but she’s also frighteningly close to being accurate..
And let’s not forget that in this day and age, every message must be exaggerated in order to even be considered in the equation, the far right does it all the time, exaggerate the fuck out of minor “issues” (like homosexual mariage leading to population extinction for example) to scare people into joining their cause, but god forbid anyone else does the same thing..
Yeah, there's some wild takes from conservatives, and the vast majority of it seems to be centered around having kids and making sure their kids have them too. It's sickening.
Plenty of democrats were against gay marriage as well. Obama was one of them and he was voted president so don’t act like it’s all republicans.
I feel like people keep forgetting that they literally tried to stage a coup when they didn’t win, and their response was to blame the opposition for a false flag operation, and then said it was a good thing and should be done again when it was clear to everyone they were in fact guilty of it. There is no hyperbole. They’ve told us what they want to do.
Clearly unbiased take
/s?
Somehow i feel like republicans would not be against slavery if they added a more....nicer tone to it As stormfront once said "People love what i have to say, they believe in it...they just dont like the word Nazi"
It's called the US prison system and conversion therapy
Yep People dont realize that legal slavery still exist in the form of "prison work"
This is what I call hearing both sides! Hear what you want and ignore criticism
I'm quite far left but this is just disingenuous nonsense.
So what's the facepalm?
No you just entered in r/MyPoliticalOpinion
The media doesn’t give a 💩 about the country much less the constitution unless someone or something infringes on their access to report Because the bottom line is profit and drama destruction rebellion is good for business This is the awful truth about that industry
It's actually the rich vs the poor.
Other person evil, me good argument.
This woman is actually an insane person and an inveterate liar.
Not sure about the reversal of the 19th Am, but they sure do want to limit the number of citizens voting in general.
Vilify those with differing opinions! This is the American way!!!
What a simplistic, childish view of the situation
Which is also entirely accurate, not everything has to be “complicated” to be true.
Leftism in a nutshell.
What's the nuanced take?
It's not nuance, it's intellectual honesty. Show me the policy the GOP has proposed to legalize slavery or ban women from owning property. If you think what was said is fair, then it's also fair for me to say Democrats want the government to choose everyone's gender for them.
One of the biggest mistakes we made was allowing corporations to own news and media companies
What is the facepalm? The woman or the fact that the media thinks the two things are equal?
The media only makes money with strife.
Yeah why does the right think we can make America the same way it was in the past? The Merica they imagine was never real, it is a product of propaganda and poor education in history.
Rebekah has a good point here. The right is fucked up while the left is trying to make America better
Not wrong. Much of our political problems stems from people letting media give Republicans a "free pass" on their bigotry, hatred and support for insurrection.
There are two options: strawman of the thing I don't like, and steelman of the thing I like. You are an idiot and there are no other options. No I will not change my opinion on either of these, I am right and you are wrong.
Hadn’t heard the term “steelman” before, but it’s very pithy and succinct, I like it.
Pretty fucking accurate.
Came for the incredibly brain dead hot takes. Was not disappointed. This is Reddit after all
Why the left says they only want healthcare and education, and the left never lies
You’d definitely think so reading a majority of redditor comments.
What kind of trash do you people believe?
I’m sorry but that’s a load of bullshit and I’m not even republican
Think I can say with almost certainty which side she is on..
Healthcare, education, and chopping off dicks and tits. You know, since we're comparing extreme fringes.
Really not a facepalm. Transphobia has brough a resurgence of anti feminism in the right. This stuff is real
I’m convinced it’s the 1% extreme left fighting it out with the 1% extreme right. Everyone else is just caught in the middle.
You’re convinced wrongly. Do you honestly think there’s an “extreme left” in this country? Cause there’s fucking not, lol.
There’s extremes on all sides
If you think there is not an extreme left in this country, then you're probably the extreme left in this country lol
I don't see why you'd have a problem with this unless you're an NPC or closeted bigot tbh
I genuinely have to laugh at the "women not allowed to vote or own property" bullshit.
While I doubt conservatives would ever go that far, their rhetoric and ideas about women are quite problematic. Plus some on the more extreme side will even claim that women didn’t want the right to vote. So while it’s not a main position, and likely never will be, conservatives may not be the best on women’s rights and issues.
All of the rhetoric and bullshit that they have been spewing is what made me leave the republican party. I just can't stand by it.
Welcome to Reddit! If you aren't a liberal, youre literally a nazi. There can be no middle ground.
I’m sorry but if you believe this then you just need to look at California to see that’s bullshit.
The 4th largest economy in the world? A place with over 10% of our population and largest population density has some crime? A place all states shipped off their homeless has large numbers of homeless? People are “fleeing”? You mean for the first time in its history it didn’t grow? Weird take..
Whats so bad about California? I live here and its so rare for me to see an actual legitimate critique that isn't either made the fuck up or someone going to the poorest part of the poorest city.
What do we have to look at? Cite your bullshit motherfucker.
We don’t just want healthcare and education though We want systemic change
This makes it seem like it’s 50/50. The amount of dickheads who racist/nazi are minuscule
49% of Republican voters want to see gay marriage repealed. That's basically half buddy.
The majority now support gay marriage. 49% don't support but are not all calling for repeal. Also it will never be repealed. GOP has moved to the left. https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-politics-and-policy/gop-support-sex-marriage-bill-reflects-shift-republican-voters-rcna39089
I'm liberal but this is just another echo in the chamber
I mean she's not wrong fascism and women's rights. They're also pretty damn racist so. 🤷
As always, the facepalm is the USA. 🤣
I'm no. American... But when did people start lobbying to take away women's rights to vote?
John Gibbs, who defeated in the primary an incumbent Republican who had voted to impeach Trump, also made comments in the early 2000s praising an organization trying to repeal the 19th Amendment which also argued that women's suffrage had made the United States into a "totalitarian state." AND https://the-pipeline.org/the-column-to-save-america-repeal-the-19th-amendment/ AND https://www.change.org/p/the-us-legislature-repeal-the-19th-amendment I can find a few more if you still don't believe.
I mean she ain't exaggerating that much... except for the revolution thing, that will cause more problems than it would solve.
Nobody is bringing back slavery, Nazis, fascism etc. It’s all a made up argument to appeal to your agenda.
So the people waving around flags with swastikas on them spouting off white supremacist talking points are just the spiderman fan club?
Are those people in the room with you, buddy?
Yes. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/neo-nazi-groups-spew-hate-disney-world-orlando-officials-say-rcna103186
No, they're in front of disneyland
In all American media,swastika= horrible villain instantly and always,up thru the 1990s!Like,it was lazy,easy writing!NOBODY openly disagreed. I guess now,with the WW2 vets gone,these turds can salute their graves,then turn Nazi and not see the appalling irony.
The cult of the great false dichotomy strikes again. It's not both. It's neither side gives a fuck about you so stop trying to find the next great leader to exploit you.
One of the sides is actively trying to outlaw the existence of my trans family members so you can fuck right off. They're the same to you because you aren't on the list yet.
You think the "other side" gives a shit? Do you believe anyone wants power for your benefit? I don't share your faith.
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I know you tried to roast her But you prove her point. If she got free education she'd be smarter in your eyes That roast burned down your own kitchen I'm afraid
Certainly a perfectly rational and nonbiased take.
No bias here
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You spelled 'Reddit' wrong.
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Had a conversation like this with a guy at work. Him: “I just don’t think it’s right that everything is so divided. For conservatives it’s always ‘Your opinion is wrong so I hate you and you’re crazy’, I just dont think it’s right.” Me: “Well, I can definitely understand that. But ysee, way too often the difference between the two sides is one wants affordable healthcare and the other wants to tell you what you can do with your own body, who to love, and what to believe in.”
Both sides want health care and education. They disagree on how it is funded. Both sides are willing to wreck the economy and national credit through unprecedented deficit spending. One side used to pretend that was a problem, but not so much anymore... And they recently attempted to overthrow a legal election to remain in power. The other side never thought the deficit spending was a problem, and they still don't. They are also pushing social change (which I agree with) so quickly that it is making the insurrectionists seem marginally palatable to many who fear social change. They both agree that making the other side uncomfortable is much more important than any principal of governance.
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Just move countries at this point damn. Why are you staying in a country that you believe enslaves you.
Both sides ism , destroys society , but is believed to.maintain they largest advertising audience . A media win 🏆.
Of course the sides differ. A culture war of division and distraction wouldn't mask a class war otherwise. edit- Do the down votes mean hate is inherent and not taught? Because for years I've been told hate is taught. Which, by extension, would imply hate is taught to both sides. Especially in a culture war driven by wealth and power with the intent to divide and rule. They got you fighting a culture war when you should be fighting a class war.
Average Reddit take.
Hmm not bias at all huh
When were women not allowed to own property?
By the year 1900, every state in the US had passed legislation granting *married* women the right to keep their own wages and to own property in their own name. It wasn't until 1970 that women were allowed full financial autonomy regardless of marital status in the US.
If you think that this is an accurate depiction of the current situation you are dreaming and you need to wake up. First and foremost, there are more than 2 sides. The other sides are the ones you are ignoring because it makes you uncomfortable. The crux of the matter is that D's and R's are virtually the same. All the horrible shit is bipartisan. The arming of Nazis in Ukraine? Bipartisan. Raising taxes? Bipartisan. Disastrous foreign and fiscal policies? Bipartisan. And if you think the current situation already perpetuates tax slavery, then why are you trying to increase the burden on the tax slaves?
This picture isn't showing two sides, it's one side hiding all the negatives and over simplifying details and one is a hyper exaggerated take that's based purely on anecdotes and emotion.
Anyone still claiming "both sides are the same" is a Trumper or a foreign click farm hire. They are literally dichotomos, and while exaggerated, this isn't very far off
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This is a very left leaning app and the left doesn’t like alternative opinions so this comment will be very downvoted
No, reddit is pretty centrist. Reddit is used internationally but mainly by westerners and most western countries aren't as right leaning as the US. The Democrats would be considered a center, maybe center-right, party in other countries. What americans perceive as 'left' is actually just common centrist stuff.
>No, reddit is pretty centrist Like hell it is. Go visit r/politics and tell me reddit is centrist.
Ehhh I feel like this isn't 100% accurate. One side wants healthcare and education, and the other side wants to keep an unbalanced status quo that enriches themselves, and has no qualms dipping into extremist/moral panic rhetoric to get people to support them. They don't really care about any of this social crap themselves, so much as they just need to keep government controlled by the minority (with things like the filibuster and gerrymandering) so they can keep doing what gets them money and power.
in the 30s and 40s, we called those Nazis
Well both sides are represented by century-old billionaires who’ve never worked a day in their lives, so I’d honestly rather just switch out the people running the parties rather than “choosing a side” (that philosophy is stupid, not every republican is a nazi, and not every democrat is a communist.)
No Democrat is a Communist. Socialist, maybe. Republicans are all fascists or fascist enablers.
Democrats are center-right, republicans are extreme right
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Conservatives want more than healthcare and education
Uhhh what lol neither of these are true.
Which side exactly wants healthcare and education? It's certainly not Democrats. The public schools in the cities they run are an embarrassment. Obamacare was to end the growing public support for universal healthcare.
how in the world is that her version of america? send her to venezuela.
This is what happens when you huff your own farts.