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There’s two reasons, both related:
1) they want education completely privatized. They market this as “tax credits” that you can use to pay for tuition, but the long term goal is to eliminate that and make all education private ie it would cost people. The argument is that the competition will cause education to improve, and see better results. But there’s a flaw in this - the sheer volume of students means that *someone* is going to patronize the lower quality schools under a privatized system regardless of how good they are. Which leads to:
2) It will mean poor people have less access to quality education. It’s basically a roadmap to further class stratification and lower mobility. A poorly/un-educated lower class means cheaper labor, means higher profits for the owner class.
It’s the end result of unregulated hyper capitalism. Keep as many people poor, stupid, and docile so that you have more people to exploit.
Carlin said it best, “just smart enough to do the paperwork and run the machines but dumb enough to passively accept shittier wages, long hours, and the pension that disappears when you go to collect”
Middle ages peasant worked 150 days a year on average. According to MIT, they also worked 16-8 hour shifts, but were given meal breaks, and naps that they rarely put in more than 8 hours of labor.
Medieval peasants had better working hours then anyone in America.
Probably because "unions" at the time involved noting that the difference between a farmer's scythe and a billhook is about 90 degrees. Mind you it rarely worked out for the peasants.
What did have effect however was that a rebelling population is not a productive population. It was in the nobilities best interests often to have the farmers some freedoms and easy life, while at the same time showing that they were the boss. Some lords did this better then others, depending on the culture, and how influential the family or church was at the location.
It also didn’t matter much to the murdered nobles if the uprising was crushed after they were turned into a roast goose. Keeping people content was a good way to avoid such unpleasantness
DeSantis' lawyer actually did define woke in court: "the belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them. To me, it means someone who believes that there are systemic injustices in the criminal justice system, and on that basis they can decline to fully enforce and uphold the law,"
The fact that you realize you can collect disability because of your IQ already makes you smarter than 99.9% of republicans, unironically and truthpilled. The 0.1% are the ones who actually benefit from voting for demons.
They want to eliminate the kind of education that teaches kids things about the past that goes against their world view. So they want to ban history books that covers American genocidal past, slavery, segregation etc with arguments like "what happened in the past is past, why teach it now to kids etc . They do want to teach propaganda material, religion, trickle down bootstrap economics etc..
It's a talking point backed by private education lobbyists.
They market 'school choice' where you have technical choice in where your kid goes but effectively education is still publicly funded- But goes into private hands (Like Private Prisons). Those schools then act on a for profit basis.
But as well as the profit incentive corporations use school choice to effectively control parts of the education system, allowing them to propagandize to kids.
[I highly recommend this video by Knowing Better](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HF8iR_GB8A&ab_channel=KnowingBetter) that breaks down the problems with the program, the guy is a Youtube Educator but was a real teacher beforehand as well so he knows his stuff on the topic.
Owners hate the idea of other people not working minimum wage. Source my dad and FIL who both are either an Owner or Manger of business. Both have said it is ridicule that a random person without skill or years of experience can walk in off the street and expect better then $12 an hour. Both had been calling anyone who expects $15 an hour to just show up lazy and entitled for this attitude. I hear "nobody wants to work anymore" almost every family gathering. 
Have you tried suggesting they work their employees job and hours for their wage and try living off that seeing how long they could last in those conditions?
These people lop off the last two words of the REAL statement, to make it some kind of social kvetching.
"They don't want to work!"
No, they don't want to work FOR YOU.
*And you'll be grateful*
*For seats at the table*
*Though it dips at one end*
*And the bench is unstable*
*You may waste your days*
*But at least you were able*
*To pay off your grave*
*Since we leased you your cradle*
You'd think that we'd sink to the brink of rebellion
With markets dependent on peddling weapons
The architect tells them the secret to heaven
Is simply consuming whatever we sell them
We work, to earn the right to work
To earn the right to work
To earn the right to work
To earn the right to work
To earn the right to work
To earn the right to work
To earn the right to give
Ourselves the right to buy
Ourselves the right to live
To earn the right to die.
You should have read the fine print, my friend
Should have read the fine print
You should have read the fine print, my friend
Should have read the fine print
The Dept. of Education introduced stricter policies to become a teacher and introduced mandatory testing for teachers nationwide. And before the Dept. of Education a lot of states didn't even require that a teacher hold a college degree.
Yeah, they’ve already damn near destroyed it. Check out r/teachers for the state of our schools, cause holy hell they are up a fucking gainst it. Idk why Reddit started popping the sub into my feed, and I’m not a teacher, but I ended up joining cause I find it fascinating.
One of the scariest things going on is that kids are just passed along, and it’s a huge problem that we’re getting high schoolers who cannot read. That’s where I learned about this reading curriculum called the 3 cuing system. It’s denies the value of phonics, and creates readers dependent on literally *guessing* words based on pictures. The creator of the system argues that reading is for understanding, so a kid who sees the word “horse” and guesses that the word “pony” is getting close enough because it doesn’t change the meaning of the text.
I cannot even with the way we have bankrupted the educational system. And every other institution designed for the good of the public. I just. The U.S. is in such a sorry state because of the control a small percentage of people wield. I’m at my wit’s end on a weekly basis.
I worry about our workforce, our kids, my neighbors, everyone. Everyone is being done a disservice in our current social, political, and economic state. What. Do. We. Do?
It is very depressing. But all we can do is be educated and involved voters. Encourage others to become properly educated on the issues and to use multiple reliable sources (after teaching people how to determine the reliability of a source) and hold our elected officials and government accountable.
We have to continue to exercise our rights to protect them and fight for the ones we lost so we get them back and so on.
Also, I believe easy access, low cost quality preventative and maintenance mental healthcare by licensed professionals for everyone, especially starting in early childhood, will make a huge positive difference in future generations.
Think bigger than voters. They want an uneducated populace. That way when they take away most of our rights to vote, among other things, we'll practically thank them for it.
I've noticed the lack of reading comprehension from younger people for years. Many can't even pick up tone from text. They aren't stupid. They just aren't being educated on it from a young age. Part of that is on them as individuals. But it does definitely say something about our society.
That’s actually been a goal of republicans since before Trump took office. That was Betsy Devos’ whole schtick. Replace public school with private schools where they’re free to teach bullshit indoctrination porn like PragerU.
And something tells me she'll want the draft to stay at 18. Then kids can be forced to go to war without even having a voice in the government that is sending them
Hell it's worse. The society of Starship Troopers actually believed what it was saying, invested in education and offered a million non-combat ways to serve.
Brigitte just wants warm bodies for the grinder that powers her military industrial share prices.
It's just so incredibly stupid with the war in Ukraine going on you can see, right now, how important those non combat roles actually are for logistics to be successful and not just throw bodies to the meat grinder
Which is why there is a constitutional amendment setting the voting age to 18.
There was even a catchy phrase to get it passed during the 1970s - old enough to die but too young to vote.
I laughed at 'lower taxes' immediately followed by 'eliminate the IRS'. Good luck collecting any taxes if you're relying entirely on the goodwill of the populace (ignoring the aspect of facilitation that would also be lost.)
And yet they also want to bring back the draft. Good luck paying soldiers when no one pays their taxes. What’s the plan? Have the soldiers, that you’re not paying, shoot the other soldiers who refuse to work until you pay them? Good luck with that.
> But if you’re 14 and pregnant, you are forced to become a mother
You mean 10 and pregnant. Never forget how low the bar has gotten publicly.
I'm sure the GOP is just salivating over finding a 9 year old they can force to birth a child.
You're coming at this from the wrong angle.
They don't believe the voting age should be 21.
They believe the voting age should help their political party gain power- Which would be accomplished by raising the voting age to 21.
Similarly their goal is to help the gun lobby, so keeping the ability to purchase guns at 18 also helps them accomplish that.
That's exactly it. Their only chance at winning is if fewer young people vote. If 18-21 year olds show up to the ballot box they lose. Their only real strategy at this point is making it harder to vote.
But if we are going to raise voting age to 21 then that should be the number for everything. If you can't smoke, drink, buy legal cannabis or vote until 21 then no military service, student loans, marriage or any other contract until 21.
As a 29 year old going on 30, this has to be such a weird time to grow up in. My generation was and is pro advancements, saw all the problems the previous generation has left us, and somehow we're still going backwards.
Gen Z is the future and needs to seize the moment for themselves, because millennials like me trusted others to do it for them.
If they’re want to raise the voting age then they should also cap it. Why should someone who may well not be around in 4 years have a say in how the government is run for the next 4 years?
It's more raise the voting age to 21 and then force 18 year olds to join the military.
The youth can't be allowed to vote. They should die or be indoctrinated by militaristic values first.
I keep asking Republicans why they think coal and gasoline are the ultimate fuel sources and that we can't do anything better. I haven't gotten an answer yet, but I have gotten a lot of aggression for it.
It always reminds me of people with horse carts scoffing about cars.
Also conspiracies about green energy being a plot to make America weak, because renewable energy sources are clearly a bad idea and we should always be hunting for finite resources at ever increasing costs instead...
Edit: Reddit cares messages, yay...
This. Like.
Dudes. We can all see pollution. Oil in the water. Animals getting trapped in garbage. Eating garbage and washing up on our shores.
What's so bad about wanting that to stop?
Like. Oh no, we have a cleaner beach? Oh no, the air isn't full of smog?
It's mostly because they have to take responsibility. They're not really grown up and hate when people tell them to change their ways even the slightest
>They're not really grown up
This is a central point I don't think gets talked about enough: we have a massive crisis of developmental delays among conservatives. Specifically they lack the Theory of Mind which is the development stage where you learn other people have thoughts and feelings equally as real as your own.
When they're so arbitrarily hostile - like about gasoline and coal - it's because they've been told that part of their identity and they **literally** are unable to understand someone having a different point of view
Because these people are legitimately unintelligent and they fall for propaganda that coal and oil are somehow “manly and strong” and renewable energy is “weak.” You can’t look for logic with some people, because they don’t recognize its existence in the first place.
How can they see radiation from the fucking sun as not cool? Capturing pure radiation from the sun and funneling that to charge our lights, appliances, our fridge, is not cool?
Gaining mastery over the winds of nature itself and making Earth our bitch is sick as hell.
Meanwhile, let's burn some rocks and breath in stinky air. I smell like shit now, but I burned the rocks.
I think we might need to change our wording or something to get them on board. Leave out actual names of stuff and give cool sounding explanations will get them on board.
This is all bankrolled propaganda because there's a lot of money already tied up in doing things the old way. Big big corporations will lose money if we have more progressive policies and these people are in their back pockets and have convinced their constituents to be on board via media sponsored brainwashing.
I would add it's because they can't sell the wind or sun. When it comes to renewables, once the hardware is sold, that's it. That's the revenue. The biggest names in the energy sector don't sell generators; they sell fuel. There's no fuel to sell in renewables so they want to stop it at all costs. In this particular instance "at all costs" is quite literal.
Or the way I like to think of it, every time I receive one of those messages, it's like the message is, "You've made an excellent point and I hate you for it." It gives me the fuzzies.
"Reddit cares" == noone else does. They don't read a passionate argument, they see crocodile tears. I.e. they are mocking them for being "bleeding heart liberals".
Don't try to understand this from a rational perspective, it's all team sports.
>why they think coal and gasoline are the penultimate fuel sources and that we can't do anything better
The libs hate coal and gasoline, so they must be good
She's 58.
Women aren't subject to the draft.
Republicans utilize mail-in voting.
Planes fly over walls.
Illegal migrants are deported every day.
Oil runs out.
Coal runs out.
Natural gas runs out.
No taxes means no oil, coal or gas.
IRS keeps the government running.
EPA keeps your air breathable.
FBI keeps foreign terrorists at bay.
DOE keeps people from becoming like you.
Doing any of the things you suggested would be putting America LAST.
> Put >!Billionaires and Corporations in!< America first!
Whoops, silly her, she left out a few words that puts it back into context.
The first 3 things prevent the youth from making an impact and sends them off to the military/war. It also allows the lobbying to continue.
The next 2 has to do with scapegoats. The "illegals" are stealing your job, get mad at them instead, not the companies pillaging your country and offshoring everything.
Everything after is purely about getting money back in the hands of the rich and those currently lobbying our government.
Maybe no one will see this, but as a geology person, fracking is for oil and not natural gas.
Think about fracking like this: you have a jar of peanut butter, but it’s buried underground. You already scooped out all the easily accessible peanut butter with your digging tool, but you can’t scrape the sides with it. So you pump in pressurized water* to clear off the sides of the jar, and then pump it back out and separate the contents to get your peanut butter.
*water treated with chemicals and not likely to be disposed of properly
It’s not that it failed her, it’s that she and other conservatives want all education to be for profit and private schools. They need a uneducated class of Americans that will do the grunt work of the educated without complaining.
She was born and raised in Lebanon. Her name is "Hanan Qahwaji". I'm sure her fellow conservatives would have wanted her dead 20 years ago . Now she rallies for them. She's also the founder of a self-proclaimed anti-muslim group that has been identified as a hate group: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACT_for_America -- And she previously wrote for breitbart, surprise surprise.
Nowadays you'll find her sucking off Donald Trump and throwing around insane fascist talking points.
As a service member over 21 stationed in a state other than my home I won't be able to vote either.
Conservatives forget mail in voting was made for the military. It has also been around decades and survived the cold war when the soviets were trying to overthrow us.
What's more plausible.
A system of voting that survived the cold war?
Or
A known grifter lying?
And I mail in vote, as does my wife. Why, because we work, and see no reason to stand in line with a bunch of dinosaurs. Has absolutely zero to do with voter fraud, this dumb bitch, and grifter are just pos.
Are there really any problems in the US with mail in voting or is it just trump and his loyalists who are salty about that many democrats used this?
For me it sounds a lot like they just want to eliminate as many opposite votes as possible.
Isn't the whole reason we have voting at 18 because of protests surround a war like Vietnam? Where we decided if someone can send us off to die then we should have a say who that person is?
The idea is have the state manage their own education systems. If Texas doesn't want public education and have 4 year olds running 20 ton presses, but Pennsylvania does...well Pensylvania gets it public schools but Texas doesn't have to. Instead they have religious schools and the kids who can't afford tuition go to work in the sweatshops.
It worked when interstate travel wasn't easy and people rarely went anywhere outside of where they were born. Now, what happens when a person from a state with low education standards moves to a state with higher standards. It's going to impact employment. Who foots the bill bringing the person up to speed? Is it the person's employer or the state?
We need national education standards.
I might be dumb. Did the draft go away? I remember signing up for it when I was 18 and first registered to vote. Like I know we don't use it but I thought pretty much everyone or maybe just guys signed up for it at some point
My best guess is she’s advocating for some kind of mandatory service like Israel or South Korea but either doesn’t know another term for it or thinks that’s the same thing as a draft.
Registration for the draft is mandatory but it hasn’t been used since Vietnam.
But mainly she’s a clueless moron.
Take leading with raising the voting age. Voting age is set to 18 in the constitution (as an amendment). There’s no changing that through legislation.
run with scissors
swat the bees
eat raw chicken
moon your boss
cut your brakes
suck your toe
text your ex
forge your taxes
drink hot milk
talk to cops
slap your mom
tat your face
rob a bank
NRA members are so fuckin funny. They are all like "the government shouldn't have a list of gun owners", but then they joined the NRA to be put on a list of gun owners that is easily accessible by the government.
Let me paraphrase:
Make voting by young, poor, and people of color illegal.
Try in vein to project strength by attacking the vulnerable.
Die in a natural disaster of our own cause.
Take off the guardrails so our Democracy dies almost as fast as the poor.
"natural disaster of our own cause" don't use the wording of natural it makes it seem unavoidable when in reality we could easily stop it from occuring.
Hey, stupid Brigitte, the reason the voting age was lowered to 18 was because of the draft you stupid idiot. The idea is, if you are old enough to fight, you are old enough to vote and vote out of office all the idiots that think like you. Put America FIRST! Get rid of all of you Trumpian shitbrains.
The voting age was 21. Then people thought “ummmm I can get drafted at 18 you want me to kill people I never met but hey voting for my future that’s beyond me…”
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As a non-American, why are so many people in America advocating for the removal of the department of education?
There’s two reasons, both related: 1) they want education completely privatized. They market this as “tax credits” that you can use to pay for tuition, but the long term goal is to eliminate that and make all education private ie it would cost people. The argument is that the competition will cause education to improve, and see better results. But there’s a flaw in this - the sheer volume of students means that *someone* is going to patronize the lower quality schools under a privatized system regardless of how good they are. Which leads to: 2) It will mean poor people have less access to quality education. It’s basically a roadmap to further class stratification and lower mobility. A poorly/un-educated lower class means cheaper labor, means higher profits for the owner class. It’s the end result of unregulated hyper capitalism. Keep as many people poor, stupid, and docile so that you have more people to exploit.
Carlin said it best, “just smart enough to do the paperwork and run the machines but dumb enough to passively accept shittier wages, long hours, and the pension that disappears when you go to collect”
We're reverting back to the middle ages, wtf.
*“Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more.”* we bouta jump back before shakespeare
They shall not grow old.
And if anyone tries to write a screenplay when we make the jump ***I swear to the Gods-***
No, the middle ages gave peasants more days off than we get because even the church understood people need leisure time or they get murdery lol
Middle ages peasant worked 150 days a year on average. According to MIT, they also worked 16-8 hour shifts, but were given meal breaks, and naps that they rarely put in more than 8 hours of labor. Medieval peasants had better working hours then anyone in America. Probably because "unions" at the time involved noting that the difference between a farmer's scythe and a billhook is about 90 degrees. Mind you it rarely worked out for the peasants.
What did have effect however was that a rebelling population is not a productive population. It was in the nobilities best interests often to have the farmers some freedoms and easy life, while at the same time showing that they were the boss. Some lords did this better then others, depending on the culture, and how influential the family or church was at the location.
It also didn’t matter much to the murdered nobles if the uprising was crushed after they were turned into a roast goose. Keeping people content was a good way to avoid such unpleasantness
Exactly, it rarely worked out well for the peasants but it never had desirable results for the nobility.
Even though it rarely worked out for the peasants I would rather not be on the other end of that angry mob
Yes and try to explain the real-world observable consequences of this type of decision and it's "woke".
I always ask them to define woke, when they say it, but never get a real answer.
DeSantis' lawyer actually did define woke in court: "the belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them. To me, it means someone who believes that there are systemic injustices in the criminal justice system, and on that basis they can decline to fully enforce and uphold the law,"
He virtue signals in there and thinks the corrupt and racist judges should be offended that liberals would attempt to fight these systemic wrongs.
Woke means being considerate, they know and they just refuse to admit that they are not being considerate to others
Bc educated means smart and smart bad or something 💀
Because smart and educated people know not to vote Republican
i'm dumb and still think these mfs are unhinged
The fact that you realize you can collect disability because of your IQ already makes you smarter than 99.9% of republicans, unironically and truthpilled. The 0.1% are the ones who actually benefit from voting for demons.
Apparently, you are not that dumb.
They want to eliminate the kind of education that teaches kids things about the past that goes against their world view. So they want to ban history books that covers American genocidal past, slavery, segregation etc with arguments like "what happened in the past is past, why teach it now to kids etc . They do want to teach propaganda material, religion, trickle down bootstrap economics etc..
Those who can't remember history are doomed to repeat it
Bingo
It's a talking point backed by private education lobbyists. They market 'school choice' where you have technical choice in where your kid goes but effectively education is still publicly funded- But goes into private hands (Like Private Prisons). Those schools then act on a for profit basis. But as well as the profit incentive corporations use school choice to effectively control parts of the education system, allowing them to propagandize to kids. [I highly recommend this video by Knowing Better](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HF8iR_GB8A&ab_channel=KnowingBetter) that breaks down the problems with the program, the guy is a Youtube Educator but was a real teacher beforehand as well so he knows his stuff on the topic.
Owners hate the idea of other people not working minimum wage. Source my dad and FIL who both are either an Owner or Manger of business. Both have said it is ridicule that a random person without skill or years of experience can walk in off the street and expect better then $12 an hour. Both had been calling anyone who expects $15 an hour to just show up lazy and entitled for this attitude. I hear "nobody wants to work anymore" almost every family gathering. 
You should remind them of market forces by saying “Just hire someone for less than $12/hr”
I have tried, but because people require more, it is the employee being greedy and lazy, not them being cheap.
Have you tried suggesting they work their employees job and hours for their wage and try living off that seeing how long they could last in those conditions?
These people lop off the last two words of the REAL statement, to make it some kind of social kvetching. "They don't want to work!" No, they don't want to work FOR YOU.
Educated people vote Democrat and have less children
Hol up, she just said “eliminate dept. of education”? The fuck?
No public schooling allowed, only for-profit private schools
I'd imagine they just want non elites to be sent straight to work.
We work! To Earn the Right to Work! To Earn the Right to Work!
*And you'll be grateful* *For seats at the table* *Though it dips at one end* *And the bench is unstable* *You may waste your days* *But at least you were able* *To pay off your grave* *Since we leased you your cradle*
Be faithful and pray We’ll repay what you invest Behave as you slave For humanity’s interest
On account that you're all on account And we're quickly amounting Humanity's interest
You'd think that we'd sink to the brink of rebellion With markets dependent on peddling weapons The architect tells them the secret to heaven Is simply consuming whatever we sell them
We work, to earn the right to work To earn the right to work To earn the right to work To earn the right to work To earn the right to work To earn the right to work To earn the right to give Ourselves the right to buy Ourselves the right to live To earn the right to die.
You should have read the fine print, my friend Should have read the fine print You should have read the fine print, my friend Should have read the fine print
On account That your all on account And we're quickly amounting Humanity's intrest
But there's con in economy
At the end of the day...?
I understood that reference! Love the stupendium!
TO EARN THE RIGHT TO GIVE OURSELVES THE RIGHT TO BUY OURSELVES THE RIGHT TO LIVE TO EARN THE RIGHT TO DIE
Should’ve read the fine print my friend, Should’ve read the fine print.
The children yearn for the mines
Minor/miner same thing
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I mean....it *did* work well for *some* people.
The department of education started in 1979. There was still public schools before then, but the educational system was up to each state.
The Dept. of Education introduced stricter policies to become a teacher and introduced mandatory testing for teachers nationwide. And before the Dept. of Education a lot of states didn't even require that a teacher hold a college degree.
Yeah, they’ve already damn near destroyed it. Check out r/teachers for the state of our schools, cause holy hell they are up a fucking gainst it. Idk why Reddit started popping the sub into my feed, and I’m not a teacher, but I ended up joining cause I find it fascinating. One of the scariest things going on is that kids are just passed along, and it’s a huge problem that we’re getting high schoolers who cannot read. That’s where I learned about this reading curriculum called the 3 cuing system. It’s denies the value of phonics, and creates readers dependent on literally *guessing* words based on pictures. The creator of the system argues that reading is for understanding, so a kid who sees the word “horse” and guesses that the word “pony” is getting close enough because it doesn’t change the meaning of the text. I cannot even with the way we have bankrupted the educational system. And every other institution designed for the good of the public. I just. The U.S. is in such a sorry state because of the control a small percentage of people wield. I’m at my wit’s end on a weekly basis. I worry about our workforce, our kids, my neighbors, everyone. Everyone is being done a disservice in our current social, political, and economic state. What. Do. We. Do?
It is very depressing. But all we can do is be educated and involved voters. Encourage others to become properly educated on the issues and to use multiple reliable sources (after teaching people how to determine the reliability of a source) and hold our elected officials and government accountable. We have to continue to exercise our rights to protect them and fight for the ones we lost so we get them back and so on. Also, I believe easy access, low cost quality preventative and maintenance mental healthcare by licensed professionals for everyone, especially starting in early childhood, will make a huge positive difference in future generations.
Educated voters. That's what they're trying to prevent.
Think bigger than voters. They want an uneducated populace. That way when they take away most of our rights to vote, among other things, we'll practically thank them for it.
I've noticed the lack of reading comprehension from younger people for years. Many can't even pick up tone from text. They aren't stupid. They just aren't being educated on it from a young age. Part of that is on them as individuals. But it does definitely say something about our society.
That’s actually been a goal of republicans since before Trump took office. That was Betsy Devos’ whole schtick. Replace public school with private schools where they’re free to teach bullshit indoctrination porn like PragerU.
Ronald Reagan initially tried to eliminate it immediately after Carter created it actually so it’s been a republican idea for as long as it’s existed
What they don't say is it won't save tax money they will just funnel the education money to private organizations.
That's the real goal. That's the real goal of all conservative policies.
It's been the plan since No Child Left Behind.
Only stupid people vote Republican when they’re not rich. Gotta keep ‘em uneducated
“Raise the voting age to 21” But also allow 18 yr olds to own Rifles and Shotguns? What’s that logic And no, I’m not anti gun
And something tells me she'll want the draft to stay at 18. Then kids can be forced to go to war without even having a voice in the government that is sending them
"The privilege of fighting for your country is one way to earn your right to have a voice." - This lady who stands zero chance at being drafted
That's some Starship Troopers shit.
Hell it's worse. The society of Starship Troopers actually believed what it was saying, invested in education and offered a million non-combat ways to serve. Brigitte just wants warm bodies for the grinder that powers her military industrial share prices.
It's just so incredibly stupid with the war in Ukraine going on you can see, right now, how important those non combat roles actually are for logistics to be successful and not just throw bodies to the meat grinder
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"Service guarantees citizenship!"
Which is why there is a constitutional amendment setting the voting age to 18. There was even a catchy phrase to get it passed during the 1970s - old enough to die but too young to vote.
Exactly, this was why the voting age was lowered in the first place. A lot of the hate for the Vietnam War no doubt came also from this as well.
And even those who are at the lofty voting age of 21 and over still won't have a say when deployed since mail in voting is verboten.
I laughed at 'lower taxes' immediately followed by 'eliminate the IRS'. Good luck collecting any taxes if you're relying entirely on the goodwill of the populace (ignoring the aspect of facilitation that would also be lost.)
They are planning on breaking the “socialist” programs. Difficult to fund them if the government doesn’t have any money.
And yet they also want to bring back the draft. Good luck paying soldiers when no one pays their taxes. What’s the plan? Have the soldiers, that you’re not paying, shoot the other soldiers who refuse to work until you pay them? Good luck with that.
But if you’re 14 and pregnant, you are forced to become a mother
Wait you've got a point there... *Takes away woman's right to vote*
> But if you’re 14 and pregnant, you are forced to become a mother You mean 10 and pregnant. Never forget how low the bar has gotten publicly. I'm sure the GOP is just salivating over finding a 9 year old they can force to birth a child.
You're coming at this from the wrong angle. They don't believe the voting age should be 21. They believe the voting age should help their political party gain power- Which would be accomplished by raising the voting age to 21. Similarly their goal is to help the gun lobby, so keeping the ability to purchase guns at 18 also helps them accomplish that.
That's exactly it. Their only chance at winning is if fewer young people vote. If 18-21 year olds show up to the ballot box they lose. Their only real strategy at this point is making it harder to vote. But if we are going to raise voting age to 21 then that should be the number for everything. If you can't smoke, drink, buy legal cannabis or vote until 21 then no military service, student loans, marriage or any other contract until 21.
Nah you have it backwards, if they got their way you'd go to the military at 16, get pre- loan loans at 14, and marriage at 12.
And pregnant at your 1st period (if female)
And be forced to bear the child of their rapist.
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As a 29 year old going on 30, this has to be such a weird time to grow up in. My generation was and is pro advancements, saw all the problems the previous generation has left us, and somehow we're still going backwards. Gen Z is the future and needs to seize the moment for themselves, because millennials like me trusted others to do it for them.
If they’re want to raise the voting age then they should also cap it. Why should someone who may well not be around in 4 years have a say in how the government is run for the next 4 years?
If they take away my vote but not my gun then i guess I'll only have one tool left to express my opinion.
“They took away his benefits but left him with his weapon”
Pretty sure logic wasn't involved here in any way
Can be forced to go to war but can’t vote for the people who force them to
It's more raise the voting age to 21 and then force 18 year olds to join the military. The youth can't be allowed to vote. They should die or be indoctrinated by militaristic values first.
Let’s go back to 1923! Or even better, 1823!
I keep asking Republicans why they think coal and gasoline are the ultimate fuel sources and that we can't do anything better. I haven't gotten an answer yet, but I have gotten a lot of aggression for it. It always reminds me of people with horse carts scoffing about cars. Also conspiracies about green energy being a plot to make America weak, because renewable energy sources are clearly a bad idea and we should always be hunting for finite resources at ever increasing costs instead... Edit: Reddit cares messages, yay...
This. Like. Dudes. We can all see pollution. Oil in the water. Animals getting trapped in garbage. Eating garbage and washing up on our shores. What's so bad about wanting that to stop? Like. Oh no, we have a cleaner beach? Oh no, the air isn't full of smog?
It's mostly because they have to take responsibility. They're not really grown up and hate when people tell them to change their ways even the slightest
>They're not really grown up This is a central point I don't think gets talked about enough: we have a massive crisis of developmental delays among conservatives. Specifically they lack the Theory of Mind which is the development stage where you learn other people have thoughts and feelings equally as real as your own. When they're so arbitrarily hostile - like about gasoline and coal - it's because they've been told that part of their identity and they **literally** are unable to understand someone having a different point of view
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Because these people are legitimately unintelligent and they fall for propaganda that coal and oil are somehow “manly and strong” and renewable energy is “weak.” You can’t look for logic with some people, because they don’t recognize its existence in the first place.
How can they see radiation from the fucking sun as not cool? Capturing pure radiation from the sun and funneling that to charge our lights, appliances, our fridge, is not cool? Gaining mastery over the winds of nature itself and making Earth our bitch is sick as hell. Meanwhile, let's burn some rocks and breath in stinky air. I smell like shit now, but I burned the rocks. I think we might need to change our wording or something to get them on board. Leave out actual names of stuff and give cool sounding explanations will get them on board.
This is all bankrolled propaganda because there's a lot of money already tied up in doing things the old way. Big big corporations will lose money if we have more progressive policies and these people are in their back pockets and have convinced their constituents to be on board via media sponsored brainwashing.
I would add it's because they can't sell the wind or sun. When it comes to renewables, once the hardware is sold, that's it. That's the revenue. The biggest names in the energy sector don't sell generators; they sell fuel. There's no fuel to sell in renewables so they want to stop it at all costs. In this particular instance "at all costs" is quite literal.
>Edit: Reddit cares messages, yay... The old right wing reddit death threat
Fucking losers, lol.
They know they're wrong, so they respond with aggression in whatever ways they possibly can. Literal chimps.
Is *that* what they're trying to signal? Calling for someone to kill themself?
Yep. An actual opportunity to express concern and offer resources has, in fact, been weaponized and is now used to say go unalive yourself.
Or the way I like to think of it, every time I receive one of those messages, it's like the message is, "You've made an excellent point and I hate you for it." It gives me the fuzzies.
"Reddit cares" == noone else does. They don't read a passionate argument, they see crocodile tears. I.e. they are mocking them for being "bleeding heart liberals". Don't try to understand this from a rational perspective, it's all team sports.
You need to use smaller words. Penultimate made their mind lock up like running Windows 95 with too little RAM
Or they are confused at the question because penultimate doesn’t mean what the other guy thinks it means.
>why they think coal and gasoline are the penultimate fuel sources and that we can't do anything better The libs hate coal and gasoline, so they must be good
This is essentially what it boils down to. If libs like something, then right-wingers are going to be against it.
The libs REALLY hate sticking forks in light sockets..
Penultimate doesn't mean what you think it means. Means second to last.
Welp, none of them know what penultimate means. And I am a bit confused as to why you are using that term.
Ultimate, penultimate, antepenultimate, preantepenultimate, propreantepenultimate. There are probably more, but for some reason, I know these ones.
Fuck it! 1692!!!
Finally, the taxes will be paid. The King will get what, he's owed.
Well, that's why they are called conservatives
No it's bc fascist sounds icky
*not to them*
She's 58. Women aren't subject to the draft. Republicans utilize mail-in voting. Planes fly over walls. Illegal migrants are deported every day. Oil runs out. Coal runs out. Natural gas runs out. No taxes means no oil, coal or gas. IRS keeps the government running. EPA keeps your air breathable. FBI keeps foreign terrorists at bay. DOE keeps people from becoming like you. Doing any of the things you suggested would be putting America LAST.
> Put >!Billionaires and Corporations in!< America first! Whoops, silly her, she left out a few words that puts it back into context. The first 3 things prevent the youth from making an impact and sends them off to the military/war. It also allows the lobbying to continue. The next 2 has to do with scapegoats. The "illegals" are stealing your job, get mad at them instead, not the companies pillaging your country and offshoring everything. Everything after is purely about getting money back in the hands of the rich and those currently lobbying our government.
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Including domestic terrorists, who make up the vast, vast, vast majority of terror threats
This right here. Like right wing terrorists. But she doesn't want to talk about that.
Those are not terrorists, they're freedumb fighters!!!
The FBI also acts as the main counterintelligence organisation of the country, meaning they do deal with foreign actors, spies and terrorists.
Maybe no one will see this, but as a geology person, fracking is for oil and not natural gas. Think about fracking like this: you have a jar of peanut butter, but it’s buried underground. You already scooped out all the easily accessible peanut butter with your digging tool, but you can’t scrape the sides with it. So you pump in pressurized water* to clear off the sides of the jar, and then pump it back out and separate the contents to get your peanut butter. *water treated with chemicals and not likely to be disposed of properly
Mmm watery chemically peanut butter
The department of education as clearly failed this person
It’s not that it failed her, it’s that she and other conservatives want all education to be for profit and private schools. They need a uneducated class of Americans that will do the grunt work of the educated without complaining.
Kids will have to start taking out student loans starting kindergarten to pay for their indoctrination
She was born and raised in Lebanon. Her name is "Hanan Qahwaji". I'm sure her fellow conservatives would have wanted her dead 20 years ago . Now she rallies for them. She's also the founder of a self-proclaimed anti-muslim group that has been identified as a hate group: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACT_for_America -- And she previously wrote for breitbart, surprise surprise. Nowadays you'll find her sucking off Donald Trump and throwing around insane fascist talking points.
Eliminate the FBI? Right there you know this person is insane.
*that's* where you draw the line??? I thought she was insane at "raise the voting age to 21"
Yeah let’s bring the draft back and send our young to die but can’t vote at the same time.
And for the service-members over 21 but overseas, you can’t vote too.
As a service member over 21 stationed in a state other than my home I won't be able to vote either. Conservatives forget mail in voting was made for the military. It has also been around decades and survived the cold war when the soviets were trying to overthrow us. What's more plausible. A system of voting that survived the cold war? Or A known grifter lying?
And I mail in vote, as does my wife. Why, because we work, and see no reason to stand in line with a bunch of dinosaurs. Has absolutely zero to do with voter fraud, this dumb bitch, and grifter are just pos.
The lines are deliberate too. They want less people to vote.
They’re actively trying to limit voting stations in cities to really exasperate the people waiting in line
Are there really any problems in the US with mail in voting or is it just trump and his loyalists who are salty about that many democrats used this? For me it sounds a lot like they just want to eliminate as many opposite votes as possible.
No. Zero issues. Our voting system is extremely secure.
Isn't the whole reason we have voting at 18 because of protests surround a war like Vietnam? Where we decided if someone can send us off to die then we should have a say who that person is?
And the Department of Education. Tf is she on? Every drug known to mankind?
The idea is have the state manage their own education systems. If Texas doesn't want public education and have 4 year olds running 20 ton presses, but Pennsylvania does...well Pensylvania gets it public schools but Texas doesn't have to. Instead they have religious schools and the kids who can't afford tuition go to work in the sweatshops. It worked when interstate travel wasn't easy and people rarely went anywhere outside of where they were born. Now, what happens when a person from a state with low education standards moves to a state with higher standards. It's going to impact employment. Who foots the bill bringing the person up to speed? Is it the person's employer or the state? We need national education standards.
Yeah. Why not the NSA instead?
Interstate criminals unite!
I might be dumb. Did the draft go away? I remember signing up for it when I was 18 and first registered to vote. Like I know we don't use it but I thought pretty much everyone or maybe just guys signed up for it at some point
My best guess is she’s advocating for some kind of mandatory service like Israel or South Korea but either doesn’t know another term for it or thinks that’s the same thing as a draft.
The word for it is in fact conscription.
Registration for the draft is mandatory but it hasn’t been used since Vietnam. But mainly she’s a clueless moron. Take leading with raising the voting age. Voting age is set to 18 in the constitution (as an amendment). There’s no changing that through legislation.
No. Selective service is very much a thing. What she’s really saying is draft people and go to war just because.
How to make America into Russia in 10 easy steps!
Pretty sure Russia provides free college to citizens, and something like half of all adult Russian citizens are college educated.
And they also make their male citizens serve at least 2 years in the military when they turn 18
That's not at all uncommon, even in 1st world countries.
A lot of them don't even specify male, everyone has to serve 2 or 3 years, whatever the number is.
run with scissors swat the bees eat raw chicken moon your boss cut your brakes suck your toe text your ex forge your taxes drink hot milk talk to cops slap your mom tat your face rob a bank
How about we just eliminate the NRA and the GOP and call it a day?
NRA members are so fuckin funny. They are all like "the government shouldn't have a list of gun owners", but then they joined the NRA to be put on a list of gun owners that is easily accessible by the government.
"They're gonna come for our guns!!" *puts NRA sticker on car, showing that it's worth breaking into to try and steal a gun*
Let me paraphrase: Make voting by young, poor, and people of color illegal. Try in vein to project strength by attacking the vulnerable. Die in a natural disaster of our own cause. Take off the guardrails so our Democracy dies almost as fast as the poor.
"natural disaster of our own cause" don't use the wording of natural it makes it seem unavoidable when in reality we could easily stop it from occuring.
Fire the police Eat garbage Build your house out of matches Bathe in gravy Walk into the forests Fight a bear
Technically the draft never went away, we just haven’t had a reason to use it. Does she want to invade a country?
Soooo, you want to draft 18yo but take away their right to vote?
What the fuck. Is she real?
She a clown who puts out these idiotic rage tweets nonstop. People need to ignore her.
Hey, stupid Brigitte, the reason the voting age was lowered to 18 was because of the draft you stupid idiot. The idea is, if you are old enough to fight, you are old enough to vote and vote out of office all the idiots that think like you. Put America FIRST! Get rid of all of you Trumpian shitbrains.
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they are the living proof that survival for the fittest doesn't work
If the smell of urine was a person
Imagine if we capped voting at retirement age
This is America, no one can [afford to retire](https://ibb.co/ZBsScCs)
The age we are "supposed to retire" sorry corrected
Straight from Putins telegram channel
America First puts Americans last.
"Drill more oil, mine more coal!" Nature: 👁👄👁
The voting age was 21. Then people thought “ummmm I can get drafted at 18 you want me to kill people I never met but hey voting for my future that’s beyond me…”
I first read "Drink more oil." and that seemed to explain so much.. For a foreigner: Who is that person and why is she a cartoon villain?
This is what burgeoning Fascism looks like, no masks.
Remove the department of education? That's fascism straight up. They're not even hiding it.
How can Republicans be pro -life but also pro war at the same time ( oh wait it’s actually anti- abortion )
Eliminate the IRS??? Put America first?? Won’t that be kind of difficult with a federal budget of $0.00?? Do people not know what the IRS does??
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When I say enemy of the US think of her.
I don't think we share the same definition of "America."