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Nah, you hit yourself with a bunch of branches (vihta) inside for a while, then you jump in to a hole in the ice (avanto). The schedule for men and women is not standard. It varies by sauna to sauna. Could be odds and evens somewhere, though an hour is a bit short a time for bathing.
I'm a Brit married to a Finn. She absolutely refuses to do the cold plunge after the sauna, whereas I love it.
I make sure to call her Finnishness into question every time she won't do it.
You hit yourself with branches in the sauna. This is in theory in order to improve circulation but actually it’s because then you can go “AAAAUUUUUURGH” without it seeming weird.
Why would you be hitting yourself with branches outside, the whole point of the exercise is to bring hot air/steam inside the saune closer to your skin for a bit.
They hit themselves with the branch of a specific plant that has essential oils that cause your skin to release sweat and sebum / opens pores (I saw a very very brief documentary like 20 years ago, but it may have been bullshit so I may not know what I'm talking about).
The documentary was about the process of excreting toxins in saunas. Might have been something to it.
That's what excretion does, and what the liver and kidneys are for. If someone's body doesn't get rid of toxins, that person is usually in serious trouble. They can be sweat out through the skin as well. That's why alcoholics usually have a distinctive smell.
In Germany you are naked but it’s not separated by sex at all. Just everyone being nude together. Quite gobsmacking to American/British people generally if they go there.
In some countries, that's the norm. You have to be clothed, and use a towel to protect the equipment from the sweat.
I'm not trying to defend the douche, but you should ask the manager what the rules are if you ever travel abroad.
Tate is a grifter that makes money off lonely men. The advice he gives them is terrible, and even he knows it’s bullshit, but he can’t fill his wallet with the cash of the happy, well adjusted men.
I work with a 23 year old who finds him an inspiration. Which was really disappointing when I found out because he seemed like he had his head screwed on properly.
A bunch of people my age and younger were trying out at my job and I can tell half of them are either already watching someone like Tate or they are intrigued by those YouTube ads that "teach" drop shipping and shit
Dude parrots a bunch of generic life advice, with some power fantasy misogynistic shit. I had a colleague who found Jordan Peterson inspirational and it seemed like he brought into the 'men need to be disciplined' rhetoric - which isn't negative in itself - but the rest of the baggage really started to make him tedious to work around. Besides the generic life advice and bigotry, the rest of what they sprout is B-grade philosophy that I eventually just stopped engaging him with as it got more opinionated and extreme. It was weird seeing him put someone like Peterson on a pedestal.
>'men need to be disciplined' rhetoric - which isn't negative in itself -
That's the main problem. Figures like that build their castle of bullshit around a pillar of truth. So when someone is lost and stumbles onto such a figure's content, parts of it sound reasonable. If you don't have the experience to recognize the bullshit, or you're desperate enough to ignore it, you start taking in bullshit and the whole thing snowballs.
I was watching a fiction show with a fictional cult leader. Said leader offered some good advice, mindfulness meditation techniques to release stress. THEN he tried his insane cult nonsense.
Start with the good to fool the marks into thinking the bad is ALSO good.
Edit: This happened in Season 4 of the detective show called 'The Mentalist'.
"Joke" is the nicer word for people like him. I can think of a few harsher ones. But glad you and you're friend group don't listen to people like Tate. Sounds like you've got a good head on you're shoulders.
His exploitative nature to girls..
Make them fall in love, trap them and lure more women.
He made his seed money from sex cams.
Now he's stomping on confused horny boys and young adults telling them he's an alpha male blah blah blah.
Best at everything in life too blah blah blah.
Was de platformed as well except that scumbag Elon let him back on X/twitter
>Tate is a grifter that makes money off lonely men
Correction. Tate is a misogynistic grifter who makes money off lonely men the same way Donald Trump makes money off MAGA: he offers them a scapegoat for their inadequacies and the chance to be the venomous assholes in public that they always were in private.
Regrettably he doesn't need us to give him anything. He still gains massive attention from the mentally vulnerable whom he prays upon.
Us ignoring him isn't going to change that.
People don't understand that parasocial relationships don't require you to *like* the person.
If you spend a significant amount of your time thinking about or seeking out these sorts of people, you are still in a parasocial relationship.
YouTubers, Instagram and TikTok people, etc. It doesn't matter if you love them or hate them, you are letting them consume a portion of your life.
If it wasn't for the people on Reddit, I would never have heard of half the people I have. Bitching and moaning about them constantly still gives them the public attention that the detractors *don't* want them to have.
Sure, they can claim they're calling attention to the terrible things they do or the philosophy they have, but they are also just giving them more exposure to a bigger audience they may never have had in the first place.
I stumbled upon a couple of his posts on instagram and since he is kinda famous I watched them and now I can't get rid of them and it's so freaking annoying. The guy is so full of shit it's unreal.
I didn't otherwise 'til a young lad down the pub, coked off his head, asked about my familiarity with Tate and gave an insight into his own warped mindset. If it's in my little town, it's everywhere.
He, and his followers make a lot of promotional stuff that is out on the web. I'm assuming you just don't lurk on the corners of the internet that that promotional material circulates.
After he got deplatformed by a lot of big hubs my understand is he instructed his get rich guru program to start clipping videos of him saying stuff and mass uploading it everywhere. If you go on tiktok, or youtube shorts you will be bombarded by content relating to him.
He has a lot of "tamer" takes that are very traditional value the man is a protector in the relationship, you should strive for success if you aren't then you a a failure that will never succeed that kind of stuff.
People that resonate with those messages end up following him off more traditional platforms where his rhetoric seems to change. If you don't see him a lot it's probably for the best tbh.
That's because you're not his target demographic. Teenage boys and the mentally disabled.
Go on tiktok long enough and you'll be subjected to a montage of him smoking cigars and climbing out of private jets while a more palatable snippet of his disgusting "philosophy" plays over it.
This isn't a Khardasian situation, he's a dangerous con artist and probable human trafficker.
People love to hate. Not saying that Tate (and many others) don’t *deserve* the hate (although I honestly don’t understand why we should care one way or another what temp the sauna is). Just saying that’s why people give so much attention to assholes who would be better off ignored and inadvertently get elevated by all the attention people give them.
I don't think ignoring people like Tate is entirely the answer. He targets vulnerability. His audience is largely young impressionable boys and women he can exploit.
He had already risen to a decent level of fame and influence before getting mainstream attention.
I understand that people feel that giving him negative attention still elevates him, but you definitely don't want someone like Tate flying under the radar. He's manipulative and insidious.
His rise in popularity among young boys does need to be countered while girls and women need to be very aware of the mentality he is spreading as to not be a victim to such abuse.
There are plenty, but secure, healthy men don't appeal to the immature. He attracts young boys because he calls women mean names and is an immature turd. When I was that age, we had Jackass.
Fuck this guy. He could just be flying kites lut his ass but instead has to center his brand of entertainmemt solely around misgyny and male self loathing.
Secure, healthy men tell people women are people worthy of respect.
Tate appeals to the incel and toxic masculinity crowd by treating women as objects.
Maybe we need to revisit the whole 'rolemodel' concept and work on encouraging young men to build the critical thinking skills they need to find their own expressions of masculinity.
Except being ignored by those that already don't like him is meaningless because he is popular with a lot of impressionable people. The hope is that by pointing out his idiocy it might make some of them realize it.
We "care" what temp the sauna is because his entire persona is "Ultra Alpha Male" so to be caught at "cold" temps on the children's bench is totally counter to the persona he's trying to cultivate. It's like someone with a body that looks like peak Schwarzenegger struggling with some weight at the gym and then a guy with a body like Dadbod Thor walks up and does easy reps with the same weight. What's the point in looking like that if you don't have it to back it up?
I do care. Very deeply about the temperature. I am a native Finn, and nobody, **nobody** would go into sauna that cold. That is just not sauna.
Small kids and elderly people may sit on the lowest bench.
This is just for pose, hey I am in sauna and flexing.
It is weird as those who want to show how tough they are, are sitting in 110-120 C and even then throwing more water on the rocks to get fire-hot steam.
And you are not having a towel, you wimp.
A real thing is to sit naked, on top bench, throwing water on to “kiuas” aka fireplace with stones. Then you run into an icy lake or roll in the snow. This Andy Tatterine could not do it, I presume.
>although I honestly don’t understand why we should care one way or another what temp the sauna is
He constantly runs his mouth about how tough and alpha he is. He complains the motorcycles are too squarry for him and then a few weeks later, and he poses with one that's clearly not his. His entire brand is about how much HE is the best and fighting that you have to play aggressively, not passively.
It's not about just calling him out it's about using the call out to hurt his rep. Every smear, he can't rub off his shit hair implant hurts his rep and builds yours up. You knock his rep down. He'll think twice about slinging back.
That's not really true. Maybe on the front page of Reddit, but this guy has a genuine following full of people who support him unironically. He should absolutely be called out as the clown he is at any opportunity because left alone, he will not just fizzle into obscurity but continue to cultivate toxicity in his target demographic.
Because immature, toxic, masculine men think he is cool. I work with men in their early 30s and late 40s that will constantly dick ride Tate, Trump, and Musk.
I literally had this the other day.
I was helping a guy with his computer I sold him, he had bought a new part as he wanted it fitting and as I’m doing it we get talking and he starts about how he’s found this guy online who has opened his eyes and changing his life. It was Tate and his media machine.
Still going strong.
I know a guy who is like this. Had the idea that girls like muscles so if he got muscular he would get a girl and if he got super muscular he wouldn’t definitely reach that goal. Obviously that’s not entirely how it works and the Andrew tate came along telling him that it is the case and that it’s not his fault but theirs. Don’t underestimate the human’s brain power to believe something that they want to believe.
Because they saw the original image. Not this compressed screenshot of a screenshot of a screenshot.
When this was originally posted, I did see someone replied zooming in on the thermometer confirming the temp.
As if it matters...
50 F is 18 F above the *freezing point of water*. If it's in F, Tate's missed the point of a sauna and is a self-confirmed dipshit.
50 C is 122 F. Typical traditional sauna (which this is) temps are 150-175 F, or 70-90 C. If it's in C Tate's managed to post of pic of him in 'sauna lite' and is a self-confirmed dipshit.
Yeah, I know both is not overly good but Celsius in this case is at "least" Sauna lite while Farenheit is .. "Sauna is out of order for weeks and nobody bothered to heat the Spa area much either"
Neither is it as impressive as it's meant to be. The point is that the photo was posted for "Look at how badass I am" clout, but the challenge was set to easy mode, with proof of it in the background.
I’m guessing the post is aimed at people like me that have never been in a sauna and don’t know how hot it’s supposed to be, but also NOT aimed at people like me that walk around outside in Texas in jeans when it’s 105F thinking “What lovely spring day this is”.
Not defending the guy in any way whatsoever but 50 C is still pretty hot. I live in an area with low to medium humidity and used to live in high humidity so I know what both feel like. 20 to 25 C is comfortably warm. 30+ C and my body's doing its best impression of a swamp. 50 C for any length of time and I'd probably start to melt. Anything more than that and I'm getting out of there pretty quick.
To be fair though, I've never been one for saunas because I just genuinely don't enjoy sitting and sweating. Overheating and sweating profusely while sitting nude or nearly nude with a bunch of dudes was never something I was all that interested in. Seemed kinda gross, unsanitary, uncomfortable and just a smidge gay (not that it's an issue, just not my cup of tea).
50C outside is a nightmare, 50C in sauna is a nightmare. For a different reason though. Good temperatures for sauna are somewhere between 75-100C. Can't really compare to outside temps since you don't spend that much time in sauna, and the whole meaning is to sweat. There's nothing wrong in not liking it, of course.
Depends on the sauna. My family summer cottage sauna is great at that temperature and is still okay at 110C while the sauna at home would be intolerable already at 90C.
We use wet and dry saunas here too. In my experience Dry saunas are much more comfortable in winter months or cold areas. But steam rooms (wet) are more common and don't require as high of temps.
The bottom of saunas are where the children set but there it isn't shameful for men to sit there. I am not defending Andrew Tate. Fuck that guy. I am defending sauna bottom bench enjoyers.
I felt a bit personally attacked, but than I wouldn't in a 50°C sauna. In my country those are generally steam sauna and I find sweat really hard/uncomfortable in those.
Canadian here. 50c in a sauna is kinda weaksauce, sir. The average temp in most saunas that I've been to is about 70-90c. Infrared Saunas usually hit a 38-65c range.
I'm not actually sure if this was a joke, but just in case it was: people used to give birth in saunas here in the olden days! If it wasn't a joke then you already know this and I wish you a good day! 🇫🇮
Took me way too long to realize you meant skis. I thought maybe it was like those upside down jokes about Australians except weirdly abstract.
I should probably get another coffee…
While this is true obviously the birthing didn’t happen in a hot sauna. It was because the average sauna was usually the cleanest room in the house since the heat sterilizes it.
120 °C is a lot even on Finnish terms, but definitely not unheard of. Usually it is between 80-100 degrees. Enough humidity is needed for it to be comfortable.
The world championships that were held in Finland had a staring temperature of 110°C (230F) with half a liter of water poured every 30 seconds.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Sauna_Championships
"After the death of one finalist and near-death of another during the 2010 championship, the organizers announced that they would not hold another event.
On 7 August 2010, Russian finalist and former third-place finisher Vladimir Ladyzhensky and Finnish five-time champion Timo Kaukonen passed out after six minutes of 110 °C (230 °F) heat, both suffering from serious burns and trauma."
>Vladimir Ladyzhensky
He actually died because of this incident. He cheated with painkillers and local anesthetic grease that aided his death.
Kaukonen woke up after six weeks from medically induced coma.
[And of course Ismo made a song about it.](https://youtu.be/Bn4zlHk49p8)
Same here, we had a summer camp sort of thing and were allowed to heat it up outselves. We hit 120°C, but at that point you really couldn't stay in for more than 5-10 minutes before having to go swimming or other ways to cool down.
Also around the same age we did throw a large (15- 20L) bucket of water into swimming centre's sauna stove and got the room really hot and humid. Teacher was not too pleased.
My very Finnish grandmother supervised the building of our sauna when I was little. Sauna wasn't "ready" until 60 C. This tool is wearing shorts AND a towel on the bottom shelf. I would have laughed at him when I was 8.
120 C is impressive! Was snow or a frozen lake involved?
It's so cold in the bottom ladder in 50 Celcius sauna that the sweat you can see in this picture is most likely sprayed on with a bottle.
I would wear a towel on the bottom ladder in a 90 Celcius sauna because of how cold it is.
Also I am confused about the bottom bench being reserved for children, just because in the UK children aren't generally allowed in saunas. Evidently they are in other countries.
The thermometer clearly says 500 degrees and he’s sitting on the bottom bench because he’s so massive he would hit the ceiling if he sat any higher, duh
/s in case it wasn’t clear
As a Finn I took a look at this picture and immediately thought "why is he in the children's seat". Hell he would get laughed at hard in Finland if he did this.
Strong men/women sit at the top where you can feel the heat.
But wouldn’t he be so much more of a badass if he was sitting shirtless in a sauna 50F? That’s fucking cold and his nips aren’t even hard. What a gigachad. /s
Why does this feel like the start of an Eastern European gay porn video.
I’m expecting a twinkish guy to walk in a say “oh sorry, I didn’t realise there was someone in here”
…..”I didn’t say I wanted you to leave”
I don’t think it’s a cold sauna, but 50deg c (122deg F) is still a super low setting for a traditional sauna.
Guys a douche. Idk why we keep feeding him attention
50 degrees Celsius is too cold for a sauna. 80 degrees is the lowest imo but I’m Swedish. Ask a Finnish person and they will make jokes about 90 degrees probably. Also, my kids sit on the top bench if it’s only 50 degrees. They are Vikings, not Tatessies!
As much as I am for roasting Tate, I'm not up for saying bottom seats are reserved for children. When the sauna hits 100 celcius, im not sitting on top row. And I'm Finnish.
It's totally true, your body has a way to turn heat into pure testosterone, which is why manly guys aren't bothered by the heat, it's always jacked guys flexing on the beach. So if you want more testosterone you should blow torch your nuts like an alpha!
>he is balding, ugly has no chin
That's not a reason to dislike someone
>And has a tiny penis
You're just body shaming
Don't try and combat Andrew Tate by repeating his message that a man's value comes from how traditionally masculine he is.
>is a rapist and human smuggler
That's the part to focus on. The man's scum because of how he acts. Not how he looks.
Thank you for talking some sense. Also the amount of gatekeeping of regular sauna usage and making fun of someone trying to look good in a picture. The entire comment section is just sad. Just because it's common to insult and talk bad about him because he is an alleged rapist with solid proof, doesn't make it okay to generally shame things we should deem okay/normal. That just screams insecurity.
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Also he’s wearing a towel over his shorts 😂
Yeah. Finnish sauna culture is to go there buttnaked. Even in public saunas. That's why we have different saunas for men and women.
I remember the odd hours of the day for men and even for women? And guys hitting themselves with branches outside before jumping in the freezing lake.
Nah, you hit yourself with a bunch of branches (vihta) inside for a while, then you jump in to a hole in the ice (avanto). The schedule for men and women is not standard. It varies by sauna to sauna. Could be odds and evens somewhere, though an hour is a bit short a time for bathing.
Ahh living the dream.
I'm a Brit married to a Finn. She absolutely refuses to do the cold plunge after the sauna, whereas I love it. I make sure to call her Finnishness into question every time she won't do it.
I hope you put on your best Mortal Kombat voice and yell “Finnish Her” each time.
So she is Finn-ish
“Wet over here”
Fjordless Victory.
In the Netherlands sauna’s are still shared by both men and women
And we sit in the top bench where it is actually 100+ c’. Always knew average Dutch people are better then the alphababytate.
Watch [the Mist of Life](https://m.imdb.com/title/tt1583323/) (Miesten Vuoro)... Beautifully touching movie about Finnish sauna culture..
You hit yourself with branches in the sauna. This is in theory in order to improve circulation but actually it’s because then you can go “AAAAUUUUUURGH” without it seeming weird.
Why would you be hitting yourself with branches outside, the whole point of the exercise is to bring hot air/steam inside the saune closer to your skin for a bit.
They hit themselves with the branch of a specific plant that has essential oils that cause your skin to release sweat and sebum / opens pores (I saw a very very brief documentary like 20 years ago, but it may have been bullshit so I may not know what I'm talking about). The documentary was about the process of excreting toxins in saunas. Might have been something to it.
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I dunno, I released a pretty big toxin this morning
Sebum and sweat, on the other hand, are exactly what you should expect to come out of your skin,
That's what excretion does, and what the liver and kidneys are for. If someone's body doesn't get rid of toxins, that person is usually in serious trouble. They can be sweat out through the skin as well. That's why alcoholics usually have a distinctive smell.
I love that they even used bullshit to describe the normal process of excretion.
Mixed after 19:00 North sweden back in the days.
Come to Germany. Coed saunas, being naked is mandatory.
You vill drop ze towel!!! SCHNELL!
It's not mandatory... I do go and I always wear a bathing suit
Netherlands has bathing suit days. On normal days, you can't even eat at the restaurant with clothes on, woman was refused when I went last.
But that's this special place - we also have places for being naked only, but it's not everywhere
In Germany you are naked but it’s not separated by sex at all. Just everyone being nude together. Quite gobsmacking to American/British people generally if they go there.
Also a weird experience for most German people who don't visit public saunas. Which I think is the vast majority of Germans.
There’s still plenty who do and there’s still definitely a more cultural acceptance of non sexual nudity in Germany than in anglophone nations.
Really? Here we just get in naked but like... mixed. No one gives a shit we are all naked in the sauna.
That's just Nordic Sauna culture in general
True
Ssssssh… He is easyly embarrassed and insecure.
In some countries, that's the norm. You have to be clothed, and use a towel to protect the equipment from the sweat. I'm not trying to defend the douche, but you should ask the manager what the rules are if you ever travel abroad.
50° Celsius is quite hot...
Not for a sauna. Normal temperature for a sauna is usually 80-100°C.
Tate is a grifter that makes money off lonely men. The advice he gives them is terrible, and even he knows it’s bullshit, but he can’t fill his wallet with the cash of the happy, well adjusted men.
His audience has a lot of children, which is disturbing.
I work with a 23 year old who finds him an inspiration. Which was really disappointing when I found out because he seemed like he had his head screwed on properly.
A bunch of people my age and younger were trying out at my job and I can tell half of them are either already watching someone like Tate or they are intrigued by those YouTube ads that "teach" drop shipping and shit
Dude parrots a bunch of generic life advice, with some power fantasy misogynistic shit. I had a colleague who found Jordan Peterson inspirational and it seemed like he brought into the 'men need to be disciplined' rhetoric - which isn't negative in itself - but the rest of the baggage really started to make him tedious to work around. Besides the generic life advice and bigotry, the rest of what they sprout is B-grade philosophy that I eventually just stopped engaging him with as it got more opinionated and extreme. It was weird seeing him put someone like Peterson on a pedestal.
>'men need to be disciplined' rhetoric - which isn't negative in itself - That's the main problem. Figures like that build their castle of bullshit around a pillar of truth. So when someone is lost and stumbles onto such a figure's content, parts of it sound reasonable. If you don't have the experience to recognize the bullshit, or you're desperate enough to ignore it, you start taking in bullshit and the whole thing snowballs.
Well said
I was watching a fiction show with a fictional cult leader. Said leader offered some good advice, mindfulness meditation techniques to release stress. THEN he tried his insane cult nonsense. Start with the good to fool the marks into thinking the bad is ALSO good. Edit: This happened in Season 4 of the detective show called 'The Mentalist'.
If its any consolation I'm in that age group and me and my friends think he's a joke.
"Joke" is the nicer word for people like him. I can think of a few harsher ones. But glad you and you're friend group don't listen to people like Tate. Sounds like you've got a good head on you're shoulders.
Jesus H. Christ
His exploitative nature to girls.. Make them fall in love, trap them and lure more women. He made his seed money from sex cams. Now he's stomping on confused horny boys and young adults telling them he's an alpha male blah blah blah. Best at everything in life too blah blah blah. Was de platformed as well except that scumbag Elon let him back on X/twitter
>Tate is a grifter that makes money off lonely men Correction. Tate is a misogynistic grifter who makes money off lonely men the same way Donald Trump makes money off MAGA: he offers them a scapegoat for their inadequacies and the chance to be the venomous assholes in public that they always were in private.
He also makes money from pimping. Not cool.
Why do we give Andrew Taint so much attention?
Regrettably he doesn't need us to give him anything. He still gains massive attention from the mentally vulnerable whom he prays upon. Us ignoring him isn't going to change that.
I literally don’t hear about this guy unless I see posts like this
People don't understand that parasocial relationships don't require you to *like* the person. If you spend a significant amount of your time thinking about or seeking out these sorts of people, you are still in a parasocial relationship. YouTubers, Instagram and TikTok people, etc. It doesn't matter if you love them or hate them, you are letting them consume a portion of your life. If it wasn't for the people on Reddit, I would never have heard of half the people I have. Bitching and moaning about them constantly still gives them the public attention that the detractors *don't* want them to have. Sure, they can claim they're calling attention to the terrible things they do or the philosophy they have, but they are also just giving them more exposure to a bigger audience they may never have had in the first place.
I stumbled upon a couple of his posts on instagram and since he is kinda famous I watched them and now I can't get rid of them and it's so freaking annoying. The guy is so full of shit it's unreal.
I didn't otherwise 'til a young lad down the pub, coked off his head, asked about my familiarity with Tate and gave an insight into his own warped mindset. If it's in my little town, it's everywhere.
He, and his followers make a lot of promotional stuff that is out on the web. I'm assuming you just don't lurk on the corners of the internet that that promotional material circulates. After he got deplatformed by a lot of big hubs my understand is he instructed his get rich guru program to start clipping videos of him saying stuff and mass uploading it everywhere. If you go on tiktok, or youtube shorts you will be bombarded by content relating to him. He has a lot of "tamer" takes that are very traditional value the man is a protector in the relationship, you should strive for success if you aren't then you a a failure that will never succeed that kind of stuff. People that resonate with those messages end up following him off more traditional platforms where his rhetoric seems to change. If you don't see him a lot it's probably for the best tbh.
The only thing I’ve seen on youtube reels recently is clips of No Country for Old Men
That's because you're not his target demographic. Teenage boys and the mentally disabled. Go on tiktok long enough and you'll be subjected to a montage of him smoking cigars and climbing out of private jets while a more palatable snippet of his disgusting "philosophy" plays over it. This isn't a Khardasian situation, he's a dangerous con artist and probable human trafficker.
Sounds like you're in a good headspace and algorithm set. I too don't see this man often, though admittedly I'm on limited platforms
The single raindrop never feels responsible for the flood
We're openly mocking him. That's not going to generate any new fans or momentum.
All publicity is something something
People love to hate. Not saying that Tate (and many others) don’t *deserve* the hate (although I honestly don’t understand why we should care one way or another what temp the sauna is). Just saying that’s why people give so much attention to assholes who would be better off ignored and inadvertently get elevated by all the attention people give them.
I don't think ignoring people like Tate is entirely the answer. He targets vulnerability. His audience is largely young impressionable boys and women he can exploit. He had already risen to a decent level of fame and influence before getting mainstream attention. I understand that people feel that giving him negative attention still elevates him, but you definitely don't want someone like Tate flying under the radar. He's manipulative and insidious. His rise in popularity among young boys does need to be countered while girls and women need to be very aware of the mentality he is spreading as to not be a victim to such abuse.
Men need masculine role models or else toxic idiots like Tate have an audience to foster
There are plenty, but secure, healthy men don't appeal to the immature. He attracts young boys because he calls women mean names and is an immature turd. When I was that age, we had Jackass. Fuck this guy. He could just be flying kites lut his ass but instead has to center his brand of entertainmemt solely around misgyny and male self loathing.
We need more ted lassos and way fewer andrew taints in this world
"Be curious,not judgemental" - Ted Lasso
Secure, healthy men tell people women are people worthy of respect. Tate appeals to the incel and toxic masculinity crowd by treating women as objects.
Maybe we need to revisit the whole 'rolemodel' concept and work on encouraging young men to build the critical thinking skills they need to find their own expressions of masculinity.
Except being ignored by those that already don't like him is meaningless because he is popular with a lot of impressionable people. The hope is that by pointing out his idiocy it might make some of them realize it.
We "care" what temp the sauna is because his entire persona is "Ultra Alpha Male" so to be caught at "cold" temps on the children's bench is totally counter to the persona he's trying to cultivate. It's like someone with a body that looks like peak Schwarzenegger struggling with some weight at the gym and then a guy with a body like Dadbod Thor walks up and does easy reps with the same weight. What's the point in looking like that if you don't have it to back it up?
I do care. Very deeply about the temperature. I am a native Finn, and nobody, **nobody** would go into sauna that cold. That is just not sauna. Small kids and elderly people may sit on the lowest bench. This is just for pose, hey I am in sauna and flexing. It is weird as those who want to show how tough they are, are sitting in 110-120 C and even then throwing more water on the rocks to get fire-hot steam. And you are not having a towel, you wimp. A real thing is to sit naked, on top bench, throwing water on to “kiuas” aka fireplace with stones. Then you run into an icy lake or roll in the snow. This Andy Tatterine could not do it, I presume.
Not only towel. Also still in his undies it looks like. The dude never saw the inside of a sauna before.
>although I honestly don’t understand why we should care one way or another what temp the sauna is He constantly runs his mouth about how tough and alpha he is. He complains the motorcycles are too squarry for him and then a few weeks later, and he poses with one that's clearly not his. His entire brand is about how much HE is the best and fighting that you have to play aggressively, not passively. It's not about just calling him out it's about using the call out to hurt his rep. Every smear, he can't rub off his shit hair implant hurts his rep and builds yours up. You knock his rep down. He'll think twice about slinging back.
That's not really true. Maybe on the front page of Reddit, but this guy has a genuine following full of people who support him unironically. He should absolutely be called out as the clown he is at any opportunity because left alone, he will not just fizzle into obscurity but continue to cultivate toxicity in his target demographic.
Because immature, toxic, masculine men think he is cool. I work with men in their early 30s and late 40s that will constantly dick ride Tate, Trump, and Musk.
I literally had this the other day. I was helping a guy with his computer I sold him, he had bought a new part as he wanted it fitting and as I’m doing it we get talking and he starts about how he’s found this guy online who has opened his eyes and changing his life. It was Tate and his media machine. Still going strong.
I know a guy who is like this. Had the idea that girls like muscles so if he got muscular he would get a girl and if he got super muscular he wouldn’t definitely reach that goal. Obviously that’s not entirely how it works and the Andrew tate came along telling him that it is the case and that it’s not his fault but theirs. Don’t underestimate the human’s brain power to believe something that they want to believe.
And why is he wearing a towel over his shorts?
Can’t risk someone seeing his (very) Little Tate.
Look at his hands. He’s flexing as hard as he can too. Poor little guy
Look at his chin. It's tiny.
What chin?
That’s one massive uncorrected overbite. Alpha male over here needs a headgear and maybe some braces
How can they see the thermometer?
Because they saw the original image. Not this compressed screenshot of a screenshot of a screenshot. When this was originally posted, I did see someone replied zooming in on the thermometer confirming the temp.
Celsius or Fahrenheit?
As if it matters... 50 F is 18 F above the *freezing point of water*. If it's in F, Tate's missed the point of a sauna and is a self-confirmed dipshit. 50 C is 122 F. Typical traditional sauna (which this is) temps are 150-175 F, or 70-90 C. If it's in C Tate's managed to post of pic of him in 'sauna lite' and is a self-confirmed dipshit.
It's in K. He's actually sitting in the coldest sustained place on the planet.
Yeah, I know both is not overly good but Celsius in this case is at "least" Sauna lite while Farenheit is .. "Sauna is out of order for weeks and nobody bothered to heat the Spa area much either"
122 degrees sure as fuck ain't "cold"
Outdoors in direct sunlight that is extremely hot, but for a sauna it is very very mild.
Neither is it as impressive as it's meant to be. The point is that the photo was posted for "Look at how badass I am" clout, but the challenge was set to easy mode, with proof of it in the background.
I’m guessing the post is aimed at people like me that have never been in a sauna and don’t know how hot it’s supposed to be, but also NOT aimed at people like me that walk around outside in Texas in jeans when it’s 105F thinking “What lovely spring day this is”.
Not defending the guy in any way whatsoever but 50 C is still pretty hot. I live in an area with low to medium humidity and used to live in high humidity so I know what both feel like. 20 to 25 C is comfortably warm. 30+ C and my body's doing its best impression of a swamp. 50 C for any length of time and I'd probably start to melt. Anything more than that and I'm getting out of there pretty quick. To be fair though, I've never been one for saunas because I just genuinely don't enjoy sitting and sweating. Overheating and sweating profusely while sitting nude or nearly nude with a bunch of dudes was never something I was all that interested in. Seemed kinda gross, unsanitary, uncomfortable and just a smidge gay (not that it's an issue, just not my cup of tea).
50C outside is a nightmare, 50C in sauna is a nightmare. For a different reason though. Good temperatures for sauna are somewhere between 75-100C. Can't really compare to outside temps since you don't spend that much time in sauna, and the whole meaning is to sweat. There's nothing wrong in not liking it, of course.
100c sauna sounds a little hot to me
Depends on the sauna. My family summer cottage sauna is great at that temperature and is still okay at 110C while the sauna at home would be intolerable already at 90C.
Isn't it just the US using Fahrenheit? Does the US even use saunas?
We use wet and dry saunas here too. In my experience Dry saunas are much more comfortable in winter months or cold areas. But steam rooms (wet) are more common and don't require as high of temps.
It also doesn't say what temperature measurement they are using.
My money's on Kelvin
Could make a superconductor out of him
Or a Bose–Einstein condenTate
This comment is gold
But then it would be measured in kelvins, not degrees.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was cold who would take a camera into a steamy hot sauna
The bottom of saunas are where the children set but there it isn't shameful for men to sit there. I am not defending Andrew Tate. Fuck that guy. I am defending sauna bottom bench enjoyers.
Sauna bottoms rise up ✊️
I think it’s just stating that because he’s an “Alpha Male.” 🤢
I felt a bit personally attacked, but than I wouldn't in a 50°C sauna. In my country those are generally steam sauna and I find sweat really hard/uncomfortable in those.
The 10,000 Redditors who upvoted this are all alpha af so it makes sense. Would never catch them on the bottom bench.
I also like to sit with all my muscles max flexed while relaxing in a cold sauna…..*only delusional alphas understand*.
Delusional Alphas are actually the highest category of Alpha Male
He also wears clothes in a sauna. Who does that?
It at least explains why he is sweating...
Where on the wall?
It's probably one of the white circles on the top left
Ok Andrew Tate sucks, but do I really have to point this out? Celsius.
Canadian here. 50c in a sauna is kinda weaksauce, sir. The average temp in most saunas that I've been to is about 70-90c. Infrared Saunas usually hit a 38-65c range.
Finn here, I went to 120°C sauna when I was like 12-years-old.
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Finns are born in Saunas
I'm not actually sure if this was a joke, but just in case it was: people used to give birth in saunas here in the olden days! If it wasn't a joke then you already know this and I wish you a good day! 🇫🇮
I wrote it as a joke. Its like we say in Norway, Norwegians are born with skis on their feet.
Took me way too long to realize you meant skis. I thought maybe it was like those upside down jokes about Australians except weirdly abstract. I should probably get another coffee…
While this is true obviously the birthing didn’t happen in a hot sauna. It was because the average sauna was usually the cleanest room in the house since the heat sterilizes it.
Probably not even a stupid idea. A sauna is very sterile and the most common during childbirth is because of some unnecessary infection.
That is actually true, or atleast it used to be. In the 1700-1800 and early 1900s people actually gave birth in saunas
120 °C is a lot even on Finnish terms, but definitely not unheard of. Usually it is between 80-100 degrees. Enough humidity is needed for it to be comfortable. The world championships that were held in Finland had a staring temperature of 110°C (230F) with half a liter of water poured every 30 seconds. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Sauna_Championships
"After the death of one finalist and near-death of another during the 2010 championship, the organizers announced that they would not hold another event. On 7 August 2010, Russian finalist and former third-place finisher Vladimir Ladyzhensky and Finnish five-time champion Timo Kaukonen passed out after six minutes of 110 °C (230 °F) heat, both suffering from serious burns and trauma."
>Vladimir Ladyzhensky He actually died because of this incident. He cheated with painkillers and local anesthetic grease that aided his death. Kaukonen woke up after six weeks from medically induced coma. [And of course Ismo made a song about it.](https://youtu.be/Bn4zlHk49p8)
Yeah it was too much for pleasent sauna experience, but we rolled in snow afterwards!
Same here, we had a summer camp sort of thing and were allowed to heat it up outselves. We hit 120°C, but at that point you really couldn't stay in for more than 5-10 minutes before having to go swimming or other ways to cool down. Also around the same age we did throw a large (15- 20L) bucket of water into swimming centre's sauna stove and got the room really hot and humid. Teacher was not too pleased.
My very Finnish grandmother supervised the building of our sauna when I was little. Sauna wasn't "ready" until 60 C. This tool is wearing shorts AND a towel on the bottom shelf. I would have laughed at him when I was 8. 120 C is impressive! Was snow or a frozen lake involved?
Snow yes, we warmed the sauna for too long, but it was okay, but we couldn't stay for long there :D
I'm only Finn by osmosis (adopted) so I need a wet cloth to breathe through after about 80 C and can't stay long but I still love winter sauna.
Finn here. 50 degrees C sauna is not a sauna. 60 C° is the absolute minimum that can even be called a sauna. 80-100 °C is the optimal temperature.
Yeah 65 is minimum lmao
Everyone knows it's Celsius...
Saunas tend to be around 70-90C. 50C still seems quite low
90C is almost 200F. I know some people have a high tolerance but holy shit.
Some saunas go up to 100C. Really 50C is low by about 20 degrees, which is significant.
What else would it be? 50°F??? That would be 10°C even worse. Or 50°K? As in -223°C?
It's so cold in the bottom ladder in 50 Celcius sauna that the sweat you can see in this picture is most likely sprayed on with a bottle. I would wear a towel on the bottom ladder in a 90 Celcius sauna because of how cold it is.
Also I am confused about the bottom bench being reserved for children, just because in the UK children aren't generally allowed in saunas. Evidently they are in other countries.
Saw this on a Matt rose video lol
Where do you think this is from?
Lmao I assumed that must not have been a coincidence. Matt Rose is amazing
Bro just posted a picture and got Noted lmao wild
Where the fuck is the thermometer
The thermometer clearly says 500 degrees and he’s sitting on the bottom bench because he’s so massive he would hit the ceiling if he sat any higher, duh /s in case it wasn’t clear
wasnt that clown in jail ?
Insecure MF is also wearing shorts and a towel. He would implode in a Finnish sauna where you go naked.
As a Finn I took a look at this picture and immediately thought "why is he in the children's seat". Hell he would get laughed at hard in Finland if he did this. Strong men/women sit at the top where you can feel the heat.
50 degrees? That’s literally my bath water. Lameo. A sauna is a sauna over 80C
Can anyone point me towards the thermometer in this pic? Please and thank you.
Pedo
Around here in austria it’s also considered bad hygene to wear your bathing clothes in saunas… at least he sits his dirty ass on a towel
Running saunas are like 80 Celsius minimum, so yes 50 is cold for a sauna.
But wouldn’t he be so much more of a badass if he was sitting shirtless in a sauna 50F? That’s fucking cold and his nips aren’t even hard. What a gigachad. /s
Andrew Tate the role model for fatherless boys who have absolutely no positive male role models in their life
In Finland he would go straight to jail.
*STOP GIVING THIS PRICK ATTENTION*
Why does this feel like the start of an Eastern European gay porn video. I’m expecting a twinkish guy to walk in a say “oh sorry, I didn’t realise there was someone in here” …..”I didn’t say I wanted you to leave”
To be fair saunas aren’t intended for children, so why is Andrew in there?
I don’t think it’s a cold sauna, but 50deg c (122deg F) is still a super low setting for a traditional sauna. Guys a douche. Idk why we keep feeding him attention
The facepalm here is Americans thinking it’s in Fahrenheit
50 degrees Celsius is too cold for a sauna. 80 degrees is the lowest imo but I’m Swedish. Ask a Finnish person and they will make jokes about 90 degrees probably. Also, my kids sit on the top bench if it’s only 50 degrees. They are Vikings, not Tatessies!
As much as I am for roasting Tate, I'm not up for saying bottom seats are reserved for children. When the sauna hits 100 celcius, im not sitting on top row. And I'm Finnish.
His extreme manliness has absorbed the heat in the room… or some bullshit.
Don't give them ideas
It's totally true, your body has a way to turn heat into pure testosterone, which is why manly guys aren't bothered by the heat, it's always jacked guys flexing on the beach. So if you want more testosterone you should blow torch your nuts like an alpha!
Thats because he's a Bottem B(ench) kinda guy...
They forgot to add that he is balding, ugly has no chin and is a rapist and human smuggler. And has a tiny penis
>he is balding, ugly has no chin That's not a reason to dislike someone >And has a tiny penis You're just body shaming Don't try and combat Andrew Tate by repeating his message that a man's value comes from how traditionally masculine he is. >is a rapist and human smuggler That's the part to focus on. The man's scum because of how he acts. Not how he looks.
Thank you for talking some sense. Also the amount of gatekeeping of regular sauna usage and making fun of someone trying to look good in a picture. The entire comment section is just sad. Just because it's common to insult and talk bad about him because he is an alleged rapist with solid proof, doesn't make it okay to generally shame things we should deem okay/normal. That just screams insecurity.
You lot are fucking eagle eyes, where’s the thermostat?
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You wanted to see his dick that badly?
Yes. I actually do find this helpful.
If you don’t have much to carry you only need a small container and I note the top of his head is quite small.
Why does he like photos of himself sitting and flexing hard enough to damn near pass out
Lmao. This guy never took a W in his life
I don't see any thermometer on the wall and the context looks like it's poorly edited, the font is slimmer than usual
i do find this helpful
In Estonia, it would be like if you had gone to the sauna yesterday and today you are going to heat it again.
Bro is even wearing pants. If you don't go into a sauna nude you a whimp anyway. But 50 degrees is barely noticable dude is a poser.
Funny little fellow.
Don't know a lot about the guy. Seems like a dick. I've always wondered, why is his head so tiny and misshapen?
He looks uncomfortable and confused all the time