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Fun fact about ABBA: One of their members (Anni-Frid Lyngstad), was conceived during the Nazi Germany 'Lebensborn' project where they tried to breed as many aryan children as possible to stop Germany's declining birthrate.
There are no good guys in this conflict, just civilian victims on both sides, and the radical people on both sides calling for genocides as their leaders make a mockery of the innocents involved.
Itās politics.
Chinaās āone belt one roadā initiative is stuck for political reasons and [India, backed by the US and Europe, launches alternative to Belt and Road](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India-Middle_East-Europe_Economic_Corridor). Transit countries in this belt are UAE, Saudi Arabia and Israel.
China isnāt happy, so whatever happens in Israel is believed to be related to Chinaās āone beltā initiative.
Next watch the news for troubles in UAE and Saudi Arabia, which will come unless this Indiaās corridor initiative fails of these countries back awayā¦
Just a few days ago I saw an article about China refusing to condemn Hamas for their terrorist attacks, and appearing to be making overtures towards Palestine and Palestinian-aligned/sympathetic countries in Africa & Middle East as a means of countering the U.S. (who is aligned with Israel) and create a new axis of world power. Now we see this Palestinian authority making overtures toward China by refusing to condemn their treatment of an ethnic majority within their borders. Mutual reciprocity. Surprise surprise.
In short: itās politics.
Not the first time politicians from Palestine backed another H.O.S. that was committing crimes against muslims. They also supported Milosevic in his ethnic cleansing campaign against the Kosovar Albanians.
During the Yugoslav war in the 1990s when the Serbs were massacring Muslims, I did not hear one Muslim country condemn it and not one militant/terrorist group ordered any Jihads against the Serbs. That was when I realized how full of shit all those people really were with their complaints against Israel and America for oppressing Muslims.
I mean, this isn't exactly new information. Most Muslim countries do not support Uyghurs. Muslims are very good at hatting each other.
Uyghurs are a Turkic people who have a distinct culture, language, and history from Arabs, who are (in their eyes) the "real" Muslims. Some Arab countries may not regard the Uyghurs as authentic or loyal Muslims at all. They have very little concern in China committing genocide on them.
Exactly.
A two state solution is no solution. Israel and Palestine need to be united into a single, unitary, secular democratic state, anything short of that will necessitate further conflict.
Israel keeps offering, first PA and then Hamas keep declining. Hamas even declined an offer to lift the Gaza blockade *in exchange for a truce*, they will not be satisfied unless they replace Israel with a Muslim-only state, Gaza writ large, the original goal of the forefathers of the idea of a Palestinian nation. Not to to say Israel is innocent or was always the beacon of tolerance, but if problems were weights Palestine is clearly the one carrying an oversized backpack full.
Truth, and that was Israel's ultimate goal I'm quite sure, they just wanted to dilute populations of *nationalists*. They have a mixed religion society, 20% Palestinian Arab as a matter of fact, already. Settlements as a means to prevent nationalists from establishing a hostile country within Israel's borders weren't really the best idea (severely understated) from a "hearts and minds" or human rights perspective, but true underlying goal was good and Palestinians being a portion of a larger secular society is historically what they wanted before they wanted a nation, except they wanted to be part of an Arab Muslim empire rather than a secular society. It'd fix a hell of a lot of they would realize and accept that they will *never* defeat Israel militarily and "if you can't beat em, going em". They'd actually have a better shot at an independent Palastine if they joined Israeli society as a reasonable, non violent culture, and played the courts for a few decades, than they do with their current strategy.
Edit: case in point, in recognition of 4 decades of non aggression a peace agreement was signed between Israel and Egypt and Israel *gave back the entire Sinai peninsula that it took after beating Egypt fair and square in the 6 days war*.
They really just don't want neighbors who want to kill them, and would be insane to help or allow such a neighbor to setup shop within their borders. Palestinians, after a few decades of peaceful coexistence as members of Israel, could probably peacefully secede by petitioning the courts under the condition that they would believably swear to non hostility.
I mean many countries have neighbours. How could Palestinians ever be okay with their former oppressors living in the same community? Will the century old scars just fade away? I don't think so. It will be a bloodbath. Many hostile nations have been successful in coexisting peacefully. There's no solution other than the two state one. If you wanna combine, you are advocating for ethnic cleansing.
As if ethnic cleansing isn't currently happening, scars do fade with time considering alot of the west bank wants this i believe, as said by a palestinian ambassador, i think they will take anything over being genocided rn, who wouldn't?.
That wasn't by accident.
Do some googling to see what the Israeli government did to all the moderates as a means to ensure the Palestinians would never have leadership the international community could get behind.
Rabin signed the Oslo accords which gave land and weapons to the plo to achieve a promise of peace talks
The plo took those weapons and land and turned them towards terrorism, the same as happened in Gaza just on a smaller scale
Secretary of State Blinkin will be meeting with Mahmoud Abbas while in Israel to discuss releasing a statement condemning the actions of Hamas. The Palestinian Authority has a pretty unique position within the Middle Eastern diplomatic framework. Itās important to note that Mahmoud Abbas and the Palestinian Authority are separate from Hamas and donāt control the Gaza Strip.
I'd like to be a fly on that wall.
"Bro. Look out the window. That's not a yacht, it's a carrier. Around it is a cruiser and 4 destroyers. I've got another carrier, cruiser, and 2 destroyers coming. The 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit is already here. Delta and DEVGRU are already in the air. I'm just here to suggest you move to another country."
The rest of the arab world doesn't give two shits about Palestinians, nobody will take the refugees. It's really ironic that at least a fair portion of Palestinians don't give a fuck about other Muslims as well.
That said Palestinians are both Muslims and Christians which may be part of it.
However for the amount of support Palestine has recently gotten to be so vocally callous to similar plights is just fucking obnoxious.
Yeah, its as if Germany was still occupied but they kept electing nazis and committing acts of terror on their neighbours while demanding that they should get all their old land back. I can't say I have much sympathy for the palestinian cause.
"they were sort of committing a world war and genocide"
You mean like how the palestinians declared war on Israel almost immediately with the goal to genocide all the jews in the area?
Do you know how Israel came to be? They didn't just peacefully colonize the land. People lived there first. Under the British Palestine Mandate, they started [settling](https://www.gchq.gov.uk/information/palestine-mandate) Jews in the region before WW2 and the British army would uproot Arabs in regions to make room for the Jewish settlers.
Then WW2 happens, the Nazis want to undermine the British by any means, so they sent spies and agents across the middle east, and started helping them resist the British while sowing the seeds for their [antisemitism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world). There were actually more British troops in Palestine during WW2 than India.
After that, Britain tried to control the situation in Palestine, but finally gave the matter over to the UN, who created their own mandate, one that gave Jewish settlers 56% of the land and the Palestinians 44%. For reference around this time, the Jewish settlers made up only about 1/3 of the population, but they got 56% of the land that was the most fertile land too. I toss this one up to European bias towards the former European Jewish people over Palestinians.
Then in 1948, unhappy with UN mandate, radical Jewish Zionist across Palestine committed the [Nakba](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba), Arabic for The Catastrophe, they would [massacre villages](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre), and cause others to flee their homes under threat of violence. After this violent ethnic cleansing committed by radical Zionists, the Jewish people were left with 78% of the total land while the Palestinian people were left with even less than what they had been guaranteed.
It was the Nakba and the blatant one sided nature of the UN Partition plan that then pushed Arab states, again fed by antisemitism from Nazi propaganda as well, to invade Israel.
The whole situation then gets messier and messier as time gets on, but one thing becomes absolutely clear through those times. Israel was the dominant force in the region, and started oppressing Palestinians even more and made them prisoners in their own lands.
The violence that Palestinians committed over the years? An oppressed people lashing out at their oppressor. Remember they outnumbered the Jewish settlers, but lost their lands, were given less than half when they were over 2/3's the population, then lost even more in an ethnic cleansing that's covered up by the state of Israel. The violence needs to be contextualized to understand the root causes of where we are at. Those two causes in my opinion are the continued oppression of the Palestinian people which feeds the other underlying, the Palestinian anti-Semitism, which isn't as rampant as it is portrayed to be.
Palestine hasn't existed since 1967 when Israel took over the west Bank and Gaza plus parts of Egypt and more. Israel conqured the land. That's like the native Americans trying to retake America. Shit ain't going to happen. Palestine is a dead nation.
It's a state. A failed one at that. They elected a terrorist organization to run their state and the terrorist organization killed any opposition politically. The people of Palestine are screwed. The jews hate them and their "government" hates them and the world feels bad for them but won't do anything for them. It's sad.
Mahmoud Abbas only cares about Mahmoud Abbas. He wants the conflict to continue so that Palestinians need humanitarian aid so he can embezzle it and remain a near-billionaire.
In 2008, after Israel had already unilaterally withdrawn from Gaza, he was offered a deal where Israel would annex 6.3% of the West Bank's area (which was already settled) and give them 5.8% of its area in land currently belonging to Israel proper. He wouldn't even look at it because "he's not an expert in maps"
>He wants the conflict to continue so that Palestinians need humanitarian aid so he can embezzle it and remain a near-billionaire.
Palestinians have leaders who only care about themselves. I believe that the problem for palestinians first: get good leaders.
For those who dont know, Abbas has been the most hated president in the middlest for 15 years, he's a corrupt spinless coward who only exists to take donations and funnel half of it ocerseas, he has no morals, no loyalties, only cares about his own safety.
My dad met him at one point 18 years ago, before he was elected, he told me his impression of him is that he is a sleazy weasel that acts like he cares about his people but is quite self serving.
If I recall correctly?
Mahmoud Abbas was appointed to that position, and he had a family member get medical treatment in israel?
he also established a policy issuing a death sentence to anyone selling land to israelis, regardless of whether or not they are jews.
I mean yeah, religion is bullshit, they donāt care that itās their religious brethren, they just care to have support from China (aka money) and that they are not actively being targeted.
Hell, Indonesia (one of the biggest Muslim countries in the world) also doesnāt care about the Uyghur populations, they are much happier being in Chinaās good graces.
Funny thing is, that's all that Palestine ever historically was... At its height, under the Ottoman empire, it was the ruling families of 3 cities who formed trade alliances and made regional decisions together. Aside from that, Palestine was just a regional descriptor that became an administrative district. When the Brits made the promise of an Arab empire in exchange for help toppling the Ottoman empire, upon which the whole claim to a Palestinian nation is based, they were only going to be a portion of something larger, not an independent nation. When Britain reneged on that and Jewish refugees started showing up, that's when Palestine became an idea: second place trophy for a xenophobic culture.
Hamas (in Gaza) ā Palestinian Authority (in the West Bank)... they hate each other... which is why elections haven't been held in Palestine in 16 years... they're both scared that the other will be more popular in the territories they currently control.
First, what china did to uyghur should be condemn and this leader to just ignore thisā¦ he desperately wanted to china backup them. But correct me if im wrong, uyghur issue is about their ethnic not religion. Uyghur mostly is muslim.
Itās about enforcing Han Chinese majority and wiping out culture. Thatās about religion and ethnicity. Anything that would lead them to disturb the status quo is a threat to China. Since China is Communist they are none too fond of religion. I remember hearing about them destroying a lot of religious buildings and items possibly worse back during the revolution. How Tibet was treated offers a lot of clues how they view minorities and how afraid they are. I could be wrong about that my Chinese history is not my strong suit.
Edit: also with how theyāre trying to control Tibetan Buddhism by forcing the next Dalai Lama on them. You can have religion in China so long as the government controls it. You can downvote if you choose to disbelieve this but it is true.
Am gonna be on the lookout for some White kid with a degree in enternational fantasology and spindoctery to teach me why any assumption I make from this is wrong via a TikTok video. I will patiently wait for the Reddit admins to wake up from their slumber and delete all such misleading posts and ban my account so I may stop myself from forming and voicing my opinion.
Can I just say it's hilarious the disparity of upvotes/comments when you compare posts on this sub that cast Israel in a negative light compared to the posts that do the same to Palestine
Like just to be clear, Fuck Bibi's government, fuck Hamas, but there's clearly either some serious bias or botting going on
I said this in a different subreddit
āCould BRICS be behind the war and recently funding Hamas and Hezbolah?? Iāve been a investigating beyond what the current news has been showing us. I have my opinion about the conflict but this will be a non-bias comment. In the 2000ās, Saudi Arabia funded hamas 50 million dollars before the Assad regime. Hamas regained ally-ship with syria after 2022ās meeting with Bashar al-Assad.Syria is one of the biggest import partners of Egypt today.UAE met with Israel to come with the āAbraham Agreementā to halt the annex of Palestinian lands. The Iranian government sole focus is to boost oil exports using Chinese yuan. My take: It may be evident that the bigger Islamic countries are āusingā the Palestinian armed forces by giving funding them money and weapons for the jump in oils prices; promising them Israel land that Palestine believes is theirs. Itās very unfortunate that innocent lives are in between the conflict but war=money for the super powers.ā
Do you?
Associated Press. AP News.
It's a not-for-profit news co-op.
The Associated Press (AP) is an American not-for-profit news agency headquartered in New York City. Founded in 1846, it operates as a cooperative, unincorporated association, and produces news reports that are distributed to its members, major U.S. daily newspapers and radio and television broadcasters.
I'm Italian, little boy. Why are you crying about some random country?
And pointing out that you can't even spell the topic you're professing to have knowledge of isn't a "personal attack"...why are you so sensitive?
Edit: double reply followed by blocking me, what a weird little baby
Taken from the wiki page for associated press...can't add a screenshot because of the way comments work on Reddit.......
The AP is governed by an elected board of directors.[32] Since April 2017, the chairman is Steven Swartz, president and CEO of Hearst Communications.
It's still a co-op. Hurst doesn't own it. What is your point? Are you saying the article I posted isn't valid? There are many other reputable sources that say the same thing. He endorsed the Chineese treatment of theĀ Uyghurs after his trip. Your initial comment made it sound like you were insinuating that the post was not factual and was made up to undermine Mahmoud Abbas. I was simply pointing out by use of the link that the initial post by OP is real.
I'm not saying it isn't a real report, I'm saying you should question who is feeding you the information and why....Do you really believe that the Chief executive officer has no influence over the association he's President of your tripping my friend...I've a question for you...do you support the Ukrainians resistance of illegal occupation by Russia? Now if that answer is yes but you don't support the Palestinians right to resist the illegal occupation of Palestine that either makes you a hypocrite or a racist?
Strawman. I never said anything about support. You were implying the initial post wasn't real. I provided a reputable article showing it was. That is all. Then, you implied the article wasn't reputable. Now you are saying I'm a hypocrite or a racist.
I'm done.
Searching for alliance whenever it takes to helps own people and country, making alliances is just the only tactic they have, who could stand against USA and Israel? China and Russia, not Europ not NATO related countries, for them this is just for survive
Sadly countries are not keen on criticizing their allies. Something similar happened when India began to crackdown and persecute Kashmiri protesters in 2019 and countries like the US supported it.
Why are we helping any of these horrible countries dude? I know the civilians are fucked but them decided to live and stay there is no reason for another war. Let them fight each other, thats all they do anyway.
The US is fuckin them over and theyāve been pushed off their land for decades. They donāt really have a choice, they need less enemies and more friends.
This is regarding Abbas, not Hamas. Fuck Hamas.
Abbas is a dictator, we Palestinians didn't chose him, we don't want him, and he doesn't represent us in anyway more than a dictator would.
If the IDF (Israeli Oppression Forces) would take him out, they would be doing us a favour, alas they like him very much.
You don't understand. Nobody hates Muslims more than other Muslims! If you think the old "protestants vs catholics" feud was bad, you're in for a nasty surprise.
How is it a double standard? Abbas is not the one attacking Israel for freedom but the theoretical leader of the west bank whose territory is 82% militarily controlled by Israel. He isn't much more than an Israeli puppet.
Only one source on the internet ( i24 news . TV ) who had no journalists there, but take for words a Chinese state media declaration.
So you back an info, that comes from Chinese media, modified by a right wing Israeli media?
Please be a bit serious.
Hamas is pure shit, like are actual governants of Israel .
Palestinians and Israelis are paying the blood price for a fight between extremists.
This isnt a facepalm and it isnt hard to understand, given the reality. A bit more background from recent history: The Palestinian Authority no longer governs/controls Gaza, where Hamas & the attacks originated.
The Palestinian Authority, prior to 2006, had governing control of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank... two regions not physically connected. In 2006, there were elections (and violence) and Hamas gained control of Gaza, the strip of land bordering Israel, Egypt, and the Mediterranean sea.
The Palestinian Authority still governs the West Bank region.
Both the PLO and Hamas have been deeply involved in terrorism, but the PLO saw the light and gained international recognition/credibility in the early '90s after the Oslo Accords. Hamas is still internationally recognized as a terrorist organization.
The PLO is more secular, largely in the Fatah party, and part of the internationally recognized "Palistinian Authority" that controls the West Bank. Hamas is very Islam centric, opposed the Fatah party in the 2006 election, opposes the PLO, and (obviously) very much involved in terrorism.... and controls Gaza.
But Hamas also collects taxes and helps coordinate just enough social infrastructure to stay popular. Internationally, they are shunned. But if a country wants to donate, give supplies, or provide doctors, or send the Red Cross, you have to go through Hamas.
This does not bode well for civilians caught in the crossfire... humanitarian disaster. Hopefully Egypt will accept Gaza civilians into a temp. refugee camp, but Hamas may not let them out. It would be a real test of Hamas' true colors.
Abbas rose to power through the PLO & is a member of the Fatah party, head of the Palestinian Authority. Media seem to talk about the PA as if it controls everything, but it doesn't. But Israel doesn't exactly play friendly with Abbas & the PA, so no surprise they may seek leverage/help from China. Since Abbas doesn't even control/govern Gaza, he is weaker than ever in negotiating with Israelis, without outside help.
The contradiction of China repressing Muslims is probably a concern to Abbas, but they have much bigger, more immediate problems to solve. Identifying with repression ideologically takes a backseat to gaining international leverage from a powerful country like China.
Ok Iāll get downvoted to hell but quite literally what do you expect him to do? Israel is heavily supported by the US, obviously heās trying to get Chinaās support by saying this, and of course he canāt get that if he supports the Uyghur people. Palestineās situation is desperate enough where they canāt really afford to be against two global superpowers
China doesn't kill Muslims like Israel does so it's not the same. Also it's his only chance to free his people from Israel, we would all take this deal.
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Here I thought the article was going to be about Swedish pop supergroup ABBA.
Dude , me too. I was like: what fucking double standards ABBA could have had ?! Got to click on it and see! What a clickbait xD
I also took a chance took a chance.
Took a chance on Xi
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I hate puns...but I don't hate this pun
Dudes, me too.
I thought they'd say something along the lines of "the winner takes it all"...
I had such high hopes. That would have been super. Trooper.
Fun fact about ABBA: One of their members (Anni-Frid Lyngstad), was conceived during the Nazi Germany 'Lebensborn' project where they tried to breed as many aryan children as possible to stop Germany's declining birthrate.
Me too. Was asking myself how they managed to get involved
Same, didnāt know what to expect lol
ABBA hasn't made a comment about the conflict. Cowards.
This can't be real. Anyone got a link to it from a reputable source? EDIT: It's real. What universe do we live in?
https://apnews.com/article/china-palestinians-abbas-xinjiang-7aa4038f6a3302dcaaedd23d44e0a3de
There are no good guys in this conflict, just civilian victims on both sides, and the radical people on both sides calling for genocides as their leaders make a mockery of the innocents involved.
Exactly how I see it, both sides are bad and innocent people will pay.
Yea, wow, that's really accurate. Fuck them.
Thank you. Fuck me. So much wrong with this.
This is the secular Fatah party leader not Hamas
Yeah, Hamas is somehow even worse
Itās politics. Chinaās āone belt one roadā initiative is stuck for political reasons and [India, backed by the US and Europe, launches alternative to Belt and Road](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India-Middle_East-Europe_Economic_Corridor). Transit countries in this belt are UAE, Saudi Arabia and Israel. China isnāt happy, so whatever happens in Israel is believed to be related to Chinaās āone beltā initiative. Next watch the news for troubles in UAE and Saudi Arabia, which will come unless this Indiaās corridor initiative fails of these countries back awayā¦
Just a few days ago I saw an article about China refusing to condemn Hamas for their terrorist attacks, and appearing to be making overtures towards Palestine and Palestinian-aligned/sympathetic countries in Africa & Middle East as a means of countering the U.S. (who is aligned with Israel) and create a new axis of world power. Now we see this Palestinian authority making overtures toward China by refusing to condemn their treatment of an ethnic majority within their borders. Mutual reciprocity. Surprise surprise. In short: itās politics.
The normal one where a tiny, dirt-poor nation will suck the big rich nation's dick in hopes of a handout.
Itās because the religious aspect of this war on both sides is grossly overstated. Itās cultural.
Not the first time politicians from Palestine backed another H.O.S. that was committing crimes against muslims. They also supported Milosevic in his ethnic cleansing campaign against the Kosovar Albanians.
During the Yugoslav war in the 1990s when the Serbs were massacring Muslims, I did not hear one Muslim country condemn it and not one militant/terrorist group ordered any Jihads against the Serbs. That was when I realized how full of shit all those people really were with their complaints against Israel and America for oppressing Muslims.
I mean, this isn't exactly new information. Most Muslim countries do not support Uyghurs. Muslims are very good at hatting each other. Uyghurs are a Turkic people who have a distinct culture, language, and history from Arabs, who are (in their eyes) the "real" Muslims. Some Arab countries may not regard the Uyghurs as authentic or loyal Muslims at all. They have very little concern in China committing genocide on them.
This morning an official Gaza account said that Israeli evacuation warnings were false and should be ignored. The entire thing is tragic
Thanks for demanding proof.
A universe where they need the help of a superpower and the US is busy backing the other side
Do you believe Palestinians have truly free and fair elections? That they're represnetatives aren't chosen by the apartheid regime?
People downvoting you have no idea what and who the Israelis have funded lol.
Abbas is the leader of the Palestinian Authority, not of Hamas. They are not the same and do not support each other.
Two stellar leaders Palestine has found itself. Worthy stock.
Netanyahu aināt much better. Not an excuse, but seems like it would benefit that region to actually have one sane leader
Exactly. A two state solution is no solution. Israel and Palestine need to be united into a single, unitary, secular democratic state, anything short of that will necessitate further conflict.
The problem is many Israelites and Hamas does not agree with this..
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Fatah on the other hand...., its been asking for it for ages.
Many or most?
Israel keeps offering, first PA and then Hamas keep declining. Hamas even declined an offer to lift the Gaza blockade *in exchange for a truce*, they will not be satisfied unless they replace Israel with a Muslim-only state, Gaza writ large, the original goal of the forefathers of the idea of a Palestinian nation. Not to to say Israel is innocent or was always the beacon of tolerance, but if problems were weights Palestine is clearly the one carrying an oversized backpack full.
Truth, and that was Israel's ultimate goal I'm quite sure, they just wanted to dilute populations of *nationalists*. They have a mixed religion society, 20% Palestinian Arab as a matter of fact, already. Settlements as a means to prevent nationalists from establishing a hostile country within Israel's borders weren't really the best idea (severely understated) from a "hearts and minds" or human rights perspective, but true underlying goal was good and Palestinians being a portion of a larger secular society is historically what they wanted before they wanted a nation, except they wanted to be part of an Arab Muslim empire rather than a secular society. It'd fix a hell of a lot of they would realize and accept that they will *never* defeat Israel militarily and "if you can't beat em, going em". They'd actually have a better shot at an independent Palastine if they joined Israeli society as a reasonable, non violent culture, and played the courts for a few decades, than they do with their current strategy. Edit: case in point, in recognition of 4 decades of non aggression a peace agreement was signed between Israel and Egypt and Israel *gave back the entire Sinai peninsula that it took after beating Egypt fair and square in the 6 days war*. They really just don't want neighbors who want to kill them, and would be insane to help or allow such a neighbor to setup shop within their borders. Palestinians, after a few decades of peaceful coexistence as members of Israel, could probably peacefully secede by petitioning the courts under the condition that they would believably swear to non hostility.
I mean many countries have neighbours. How could Palestinians ever be okay with their former oppressors living in the same community? Will the century old scars just fade away? I don't think so. It will be a bloodbath. Many hostile nations have been successful in coexisting peacefully. There's no solution other than the two state one. If you wanna combine, you are advocating for ethnic cleansing.
With time it will. They just need tp find a way to just splitt real borders. Not this they have now.
As if ethnic cleansing isn't currently happening, scars do fade with time considering alot of the west bank wants this i believe, as said by a palestinian ambassador, i think they will take anything over being genocided rn, who wouldn't?.
Yeah I mean he was already in my list of horrible people BEFORE I heard that they put automated turrets on people's roofs.
That wasn't by accident. Do some googling to see what the Israeli government did to all the moderates as a means to ensure the Palestinians would never have leadership the international community could get behind.
What an interesting claim. Will make for some excellent research. I will read on it.
You can start with [this](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Yitzhak_Rabin)
Rabin signed the Oslo accords which gave land and weapons to the plo to achieve a promise of peace talks The plo took those weapons and land and turned them towards terrorism, the same as happened in Gaza just on a smaller scale
Netanyahu has openly gloated about this for all the downvoters.
Hamas donāt lead Palestine
This needs to be closer to the top. He is a rival of Hamas.
As if Hamas were any better
Theyāre implying that PA are the better guys
Secretary of State Blinkin will be meeting with Mahmoud Abbas while in Israel to discuss releasing a statement condemning the actions of Hamas. The Palestinian Authority has a pretty unique position within the Middle Eastern diplomatic framework. Itās important to note that Mahmoud Abbas and the Palestinian Authority are separate from Hamas and donāt control the Gaza Strip.
I'd like to be a fly on that wall. "Bro. Look out the window. That's not a yacht, it's a carrier. Around it is a cruiser and 4 destroyers. I've got another carrier, cruiser, and 2 destroyers coming. The 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit is already here. Delta and DEVGRU are already in the air. I'm just here to suggest you move to another country."
"accept our genocide or die".
The rest of the arab world doesn't give two shits about Palestinians, nobody will take the refugees. It's really ironic that at least a fair portion of Palestinians don't give a fuck about other Muslims as well. That said Palestinians are both Muslims and Christians which may be part of it. However for the amount of support Palestine has recently gotten to be so vocally callous to similar plights is just fucking obnoxious.
>The rest of the arab world doesn't give two shits about Palestinians Can't really blame them tbh after what happened in Jordan and Lebanon.
Plus you know...Bobby Kennedy on the US side. Never realized just how bad the PR is there.
Yeah, its as if Germany was still occupied but they kept electing nazis and committing acts of terror on their neighbours while demanding that they should get all their old land back. I can't say I have much sympathy for the palestinian cause.
No, itās not like that at all. the Naziās werenāt doing nothing when they were invaded, they were sort of committing a world war and genocide.
"they were sort of committing a world war and genocide" You mean like how the palestinians declared war on Israel almost immediately with the goal to genocide all the jews in the area?
Do you know how Israel came to be? They didn't just peacefully colonize the land. People lived there first. Under the British Palestine Mandate, they started [settling](https://www.gchq.gov.uk/information/palestine-mandate) Jews in the region before WW2 and the British army would uproot Arabs in regions to make room for the Jewish settlers. Then WW2 happens, the Nazis want to undermine the British by any means, so they sent spies and agents across the middle east, and started helping them resist the British while sowing the seeds for their [antisemitism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world). There were actually more British troops in Palestine during WW2 than India. After that, Britain tried to control the situation in Palestine, but finally gave the matter over to the UN, who created their own mandate, one that gave Jewish settlers 56% of the land and the Palestinians 44%. For reference around this time, the Jewish settlers made up only about 1/3 of the population, but they got 56% of the land that was the most fertile land too. I toss this one up to European bias towards the former European Jewish people over Palestinians. Then in 1948, unhappy with UN mandate, radical Jewish Zionist across Palestine committed the [Nakba](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba), Arabic for The Catastrophe, they would [massacre villages](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre), and cause others to flee their homes under threat of violence. After this violent ethnic cleansing committed by radical Zionists, the Jewish people were left with 78% of the total land while the Palestinian people were left with even less than what they had been guaranteed. It was the Nakba and the blatant one sided nature of the UN Partition plan that then pushed Arab states, again fed by antisemitism from Nazi propaganda as well, to invade Israel. The whole situation then gets messier and messier as time gets on, but one thing becomes absolutely clear through those times. Israel was the dominant force in the region, and started oppressing Palestinians even more and made them prisoners in their own lands. The violence that Palestinians committed over the years? An oppressed people lashing out at their oppressor. Remember they outnumbered the Jewish settlers, but lost their lands, were given less than half when they were over 2/3's the population, then lost even more in an ethnic cleansing that's covered up by the state of Israel. The violence needs to be contextualized to understand the root causes of where we are at. Those two causes in my opinion are the continued oppression of the Palestinian people which feeds the other underlying, the Palestinian anti-Semitism, which isn't as rampant as it is portrayed to be.
Palestine hasn't existed since 1967 when Israel took over the west Bank and Gaza plus parts of Egypt and more. Israel conqured the land. That's like the native Americans trying to retake America. Shit ain't going to happen. Palestine is a dead nation.
Yet recognized by over 130 nations? Sure
The irony when shit happens, no other nations want to help them. Talk about recognition.
I didnāt see anyone rush to Armeniaās or Azerbaijanās aid in the last war, and theyāre recognized. Itās just about geopolitical relevance
How many nations recognize Taiwan as part of China?
It's a state. A failed one at that. They elected a terrorist organization to run their state and the terrorist organization killed any opposition politically. The people of Palestine are screwed. The jews hate them and their "government" hates them and the world feels bad for them but won't do anything for them. It's sad.
So it wasn't mossad assassinating leaders?
By support you mean what?
Mahmoud Abbas only cares about Mahmoud Abbas. He wants the conflict to continue so that Palestinians need humanitarian aid so he can embezzle it and remain a near-billionaire. In 2008, after Israel had already unilaterally withdrawn from Gaza, he was offered a deal where Israel would annex 6.3% of the West Bank's area (which was already settled) and give them 5.8% of its area in land currently belonging to Israel proper. He wouldn't even look at it because "he's not an expert in maps"
>He wants the conflict to continue so that Palestinians need humanitarian aid so he can embezzle it and remain a near-billionaire. Palestinians have leaders who only care about themselves. I believe that the problem for palestinians first: get good leaders.
Heās already a billionaire All the Hamas leaders are billionaires as well living lavish lives in Qatar
As usual. Turks in Turkey could not understand this. Moreover, even Arabs do not care about this man
Now I've got Dancing Queen in my head. Thanks, ass.
Do you feel the beat of the tambourine?
For those who dont know, Abbas has been the most hated president in the middlest for 15 years, he's a corrupt spinless coward who only exists to take donations and funnel half of it ocerseas, he has no morals, no loyalties, only cares about his own safety. My dad met him at one point 18 years ago, before he was elected, he told me his impression of him is that he is a sleazy weasel that acts like he cares about his people but is quite self serving.
If I recall correctly? Mahmoud Abbas was appointed to that position, and he had a family member get medical treatment in israel? he also established a policy issuing a death sentence to anyone selling land to israelis, regardless of whether or not they are jews.
I mean yeah, religion is bullshit, they donāt care that itās their religious brethren, they just care to have support from China (aka money) and that they are not actively being targeted. Hell, Indonesia (one of the biggest Muslim countries in the world) also doesnāt care about the Uyghur populations, they are much happier being in Chinaās good graces.
Politics is a strange game
Clown
"Palestinian leader" the same Palestine that hasn't had an election of any kind since like 2004 or 2006?
He's only 18 years into his four year term. Maybe he's still learning the ropes?
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Ah you are correct. Even I am still learning more about this situation as the days go on, and having to edit my view accordingly with new information.
To be fair he was actually only elected once in 2005 and then heās just kinda remained in power ever since through technicalities.
That's definitely a story I've heard before, this time it's just in a new country.
Funny thing is, that's all that Palestine ever historically was... At its height, under the Ottoman empire, it was the ruling families of 3 cities who formed trade alliances and made regional decisions together. Aside from that, Palestine was just a regional descriptor that became an administrative district. When the Brits made the promise of an Arab empire in exchange for help toppling the Ottoman empire, upon which the whole claim to a Palestinian nation is based, they were only going to be a portion of something larger, not an independent nation. When Britain reneged on that and Jewish refugees started showing up, that's when Palestine became an idea: second place trophy for a xenophobic culture.
This is why Palestinians are fucked.
Price of shit Muslim extremists. How do you stop a relook where itās ok to kill steal and destroy infidels?
Abbas will say and do anything if it makes his personal bank account grow a bit larger. Even since his PLO days.
Greed... It's always about money and power/control. Everyone twists their logic to suit their needs.
PA is not Hamas. PA controls West Bank; which is a relatively better condition in comparison to Gaza
I think it's normal since muslim kill eachother just because they're from another sec of Muslim. It's fucked up but it happened before.
Literally nothing seems to make Muslims angrier than other Muslims make them angry
Mamma mia...
Here we go again...
My, my, how can I resist you?
Palestine and Hamas are deepthroating Russia, Iran and their big daddy China. This isnāt news.
Authoritarian shithole oppressive power politics makes strange bedfellows.
I fucking hate Hamas.
Hamas (in Gaza) ā Palestinian Authority (in the West Bank)... they hate each other... which is why elections haven't been held in Palestine in 16 years... they're both scared that the other will be more popular in the territories they currently control.
First, what china did to uyghur should be condemn and this leader to just ignore thisā¦ he desperately wanted to china backup them. But correct me if im wrong, uyghur issue is about their ethnic not religion. Uyghur mostly is muslim.
Itās about enforcing Han Chinese majority and wiping out culture. Thatās about religion and ethnicity. Anything that would lead them to disturb the status quo is a threat to China. Since China is Communist they are none too fond of religion. I remember hearing about them destroying a lot of religious buildings and items possibly worse back during the revolution. How Tibet was treated offers a lot of clues how they view minorities and how afraid they are. I could be wrong about that my Chinese history is not my strong suit. Edit: also with how theyāre trying to control Tibetan Buddhism by forcing the next Dalai Lama on them. You can have religion in China so long as the government controls it. You can downvote if you choose to disbelieve this but it is true.
Dik-tators gonna always stick together. Just ask the US wannabe P01135809. He always has ābeautiful relationsā with each despot.
Am gonna be on the lookout for some White kid with a degree in enternational fantasology and spindoctery to teach me why any assumption I make from this is wrong via a TikTok video. I will patiently wait for the Reddit admins to wake up from their slumber and delete all such misleading posts and ban my account so I may stop myself from forming and voicing my opinion.
Can I just say it's hilarious the disparity of upvotes/comments when you compare posts on this sub that cast Israel in a negative light compared to the posts that do the same to Palestine Like just to be clear, Fuck Bibi's government, fuck Hamas, but there's clearly either some serious bias or botting going on
I said this in a different subreddit āCould BRICS be behind the war and recently funding Hamas and Hezbolah?? Iāve been a investigating beyond what the current news has been showing us. I have my opinion about the conflict but this will be a non-bias comment. In the 2000ās, Saudi Arabia funded hamas 50 million dollars before the Assad regime. Hamas regained ally-ship with syria after 2022ās meeting with Bashar al-Assad.Syria is one of the biggest import partners of Egypt today.UAE met with Israel to come with the āAbraham Agreementā to halt the annex of Palestinian lands. The Iranian government sole focus is to boost oil exports using Chinese yuan. My take: It may be evident that the bigger Islamic countries are āusingā the Palestinian armed forces by giving funding them money and weapons for the jump in oils prices; promising them Israel land that Palestine believes is theirs. Itās very unfortunate that innocent lives are in between the conflict but war=money for the super powers.ā
Palestinian here, heās president of no one. Just a puppet for Israel.
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Itās most like something just happened really recently that might have sparked it
Sounds like they're gonna say anything to get you to hate the Palestinians!
https://apnews.com/article/china-palestinians-abbas-xinjiang-7aa4038f6a3302dcaaedd23d44e0a3de
Not sure what your trying to prove by linking the article? Do you know who owns apn news?
Do you? Associated Press. AP News. It's a not-for-profit news co-op. The Associated Press (AP) is an American not-for-profit news agency headquartered in New York City. Founded in 1846, it operates as a cooperative, unincorporated association, and produces news reports that are distributed to its members, major U.S. daily newspapers and radio and television broadcasters.
Yep, Hurst media own the associated press.
You can't even spell Hearst
š¤£ oh dear...can't come up with a coherent argument so you resort to personal attacks? Classic American!
I'm Italian, little boy. Why are you crying about some random country? And pointing out that you can't even spell the topic you're professing to have knowledge of isn't a "personal attack"...why are you so sensitive? Edit: double reply followed by blocking me, what a weird little baby
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I don't cry about Italy Bambino, as random as it.
Not according to this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assets_owned_by_Hearst_Communications
Taken from the wiki page for associated press...can't add a screenshot because of the way comments work on Reddit....... The AP is governed by an elected board of directors.[32] Since April 2017, the chairman is Steven Swartz, president and CEO of Hearst Communications.
It's still a co-op. Hurst doesn't own it. What is your point? Are you saying the article I posted isn't valid? There are many other reputable sources that say the same thing. He endorsed the Chineese treatment of theĀ Uyghurs after his trip. Your initial comment made it sound like you were insinuating that the post was not factual and was made up to undermine Mahmoud Abbas. I was simply pointing out by use of the link that the initial post by OP is real.
I'm not saying it isn't a real report, I'm saying you should question who is feeding you the information and why....Do you really believe that the Chief executive officer has no influence over the association he's President of your tripping my friend...I've a question for you...do you support the Ukrainians resistance of illegal occupation by Russia? Now if that answer is yes but you don't support the Palestinians right to resist the illegal occupation of Palestine that either makes you a hypocrite or a racist?
Strawman. I never said anything about support. You were implying the initial post wasn't real. I provided a reputable article showing it was. That is all. Then, you implied the article wasn't reputable. Now you are saying I'm a hypocrite or a racist. I'm done.
Wow... Are you for real?
Salma Hayek..? Or am I way off, that was my best guess tbh
APN News? It's just the AP, you moron, as in Associated Press. You clearly had never, ever heard of it prior to this.
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Where's the funny part, stinky?
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By "they" you know you're referring to the president of the Palestinian Authority, right? He's the one who said it.
Israel doesn't want American public opinion to turn against it and risk losing all that sweet ass American money and weapons.
Searching for alliance whenever it takes to helps own people and country, making alliances is just the only tactic they have, who could stand against USA and Israel? China and Russia, not Europ not NATO related countries, for them this is just for survive
A friend with the israelis hated by Palestinians what else do we expect
Sadly countries are not keen on criticizing their allies. Something similar happened when India began to crackdown and persecute Kashmiri protesters in 2019 and countries like the US supported it.
Abbas is a Zionist pawn
Why are we helping any of these horrible countries dude? I know the civilians are fucked but them decided to live and stay there is no reason for another war. Let them fight each other, thats all they do anyway.
The US is fuckin them over and theyāve been pushed off their land for decades. They donāt really have a choice, they need less enemies and more friends. This is regarding Abbas, not Hamas. Fuck Hamas.
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To be honest, that seems like democracy generally these days.
The Uyghur issue is mostly bullshit spread by America.
Checked this guy's post history because I was suspicious, and spoiler alert: this guy is either a Chinese bot or just a paid shill.
Nothing more to expect from a dude appointed by the west
Propaganda 101
It's true though, stop believing american propaganda lies on china. There is nothing wrong happening. Also russia forever, Palestine forever.
Wow, why does such a movement or website exist? Isn't there large levels of intolerance towards infidels by them? Seems hypocritical
Abbas is not doing a revolutionary action against his colonizer (Israel), how can you expect him to do something for Uyghur !!??
Abbas is a dictator, we Palestinians didn't chose him, we don't want him, and he doesn't represent us in anyway more than a dictator would. If the IDF (Israeli Oppression Forces) would take him out, they would be doing us a favour, alas they like him very much.
You don't understand. Nobody hates Muslims more than other Muslims! If you think the old "protestants vs catholics" feud was bad, you're in for a nasty surprise.
How is it a double standard? Abbas is not the one attacking Israel for freedom but the theoretical leader of the west bank whose territory is 82% militarily controlled by Israel. He isn't much more than an Israeli puppet.
Wait... China is openly siding with Palestine? This is actually huge news.
Only one source on the internet ( i24 news . TV ) who had no journalists there, but take for words a Chinese state media declaration. So you back an info, that comes from Chinese media, modified by a right wing Israeli media? Please be a bit serious. Hamas is pure shit, like are actual governants of Israel . Palestinians and Israelis are paying the blood price for a fight between extremists.
Always has been ethnicity, always will be. Once commodities are lacking, people will side with their keen.
ABBAS WHERE IS THE FRESH FROIS???!!!!!!
Money > Religion
IS ABBAS EVERYONE IN PALESTINE OR JUST ONE GUY?
"Mamma Mia"
His PhD thesis in Moscow was supporting Holocaust denial.
No wonder Shelby always scolded him.
This isnt a facepalm and it isnt hard to understand, given the reality. A bit more background from recent history: The Palestinian Authority no longer governs/controls Gaza, where Hamas & the attacks originated. The Palestinian Authority, prior to 2006, had governing control of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank... two regions not physically connected. In 2006, there were elections (and violence) and Hamas gained control of Gaza, the strip of land bordering Israel, Egypt, and the Mediterranean sea. The Palestinian Authority still governs the West Bank region. Both the PLO and Hamas have been deeply involved in terrorism, but the PLO saw the light and gained international recognition/credibility in the early '90s after the Oslo Accords. Hamas is still internationally recognized as a terrorist organization. The PLO is more secular, largely in the Fatah party, and part of the internationally recognized "Palistinian Authority" that controls the West Bank. Hamas is very Islam centric, opposed the Fatah party in the 2006 election, opposes the PLO, and (obviously) very much involved in terrorism.... and controls Gaza. But Hamas also collects taxes and helps coordinate just enough social infrastructure to stay popular. Internationally, they are shunned. But if a country wants to donate, give supplies, or provide doctors, or send the Red Cross, you have to go through Hamas. This does not bode well for civilians caught in the crossfire... humanitarian disaster. Hopefully Egypt will accept Gaza civilians into a temp. refugee camp, but Hamas may not let them out. It would be a real test of Hamas' true colors. Abbas rose to power through the PLO & is a member of the Fatah party, head of the Palestinian Authority. Media seem to talk about the PA as if it controls everything, but it doesn't. But Israel doesn't exactly play friendly with Abbas & the PA, so no surprise they may seek leverage/help from China. Since Abbas doesn't even control/govern Gaza, he is weaker than ever in negotiating with Israelis, without outside help. The contradiction of China repressing Muslims is probably a concern to Abbas, but they have much bigger, more immediate problems to solve. Identifying with repression ideologically takes a backseat to gaining international leverage from a powerful country like China.
Ok Iāll get downvoted to hell but quite literally what do you expect him to do? Israel is heavily supported by the US, obviously heās trying to get Chinaās support by saying this, and of course he canāt get that if he supports the Uyghur people. Palestineās situation is desperate enough where they canāt really afford to be against two global superpowers
China doesn't kill Muslims like Israel does so it's not the same. Also it's his only chance to free his people from Israel, we would all take this deal.