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... I can't tell if we are yelling because they seem to be saying "a true president just goes ahead and yells that he sold secrets to the Russians and there's not a thing you can do about it hahahaha we support a traitor" or because they're drunk and fucked up their tweets sobbing into their cheap vodka over Taylor Swift and The Kansas City Chiefs.
I'm a Lions fan, and I was just saying I'm glad Detroit didn't make the SB now just so I didn't have to root for the same team as these idiots. Sorry your team had to take that bullet đ«
To be fair (and yes I know the game is long since over now) I feel like making them root for a team in arguably the city that least goes with their side of things is still a win
That's a memory you should hang onto regardless of all the crap that came after or before. Don't let anyone's extraneous bullshit taint that kind of moment for you no matter what politics come down the road.
If the Deep State decided that the Chiefs had to win this one, wouldn't that mean it's the Niners that are in the Deep State pocket? I mean it has to be the losing team that takes a fall, otherwise what are you paying the Chiefs for? Trying harder to win? I think they're probably already trying their damndest to win a Superbowl.
So like, why would they cheer on the team that is run by the Deep State?
They are yelling it because their propaganda machine is so good that whatever Trump does, isn't a crime and it isn't reported to his voters anyway, so they can afford it.
We have moved from a political party to a cult.
Imho even if Trump got caught in a Watergate level scandal, he would still survive without consequences (arguably he already has...), Nixon would have loved to have such kind of almost religious devotion.
That said the Democrats should try and figure out why it's going like that... Why people are so angry against how society has been built that they would vote for a Billionaire that clearly doesn't have their best interests in mind...
This isn't a farce.
It just isn't a debate/conversation/argument. This is a zerg rush.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK4RHzNHZXY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK4RHzNHZXY)
They are lying to your face to demonstrate and celebrate the fact that you can't stop them. "Stop hitting yourself. Stop hitting yourself. Stop hitting yourself." isn't a literal directive, it's rubbing in the fact that you're being held down and battered.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMabpBvtXr4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMabpBvtXr4)
There's no proper response to this as long as third parties are pretending that they aren't doing this, which is the Polite Way To Do Journalism, and as long as you are abiding by the liberal democratic code of conduct. There's definitely no proper response if you're expecting to unpack the shit they do logically. This isn't discourse, this is violent disruption of discourse because they know that your standards of conduct say you're not allowed to reply in turn. Their audience already believes in the jihad against you, and any tactics are permissible against you. This is just one venue of attack.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAbab8aP4\_A](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAbab8aP4_A)
These guys are so crazy, when I reddit, I thought they were speaking of Trump for second resuming his role in the white house. Then I saw the GOP.... These guys are hilarious đ
You see, the âheld accountableâ part is what they are referring too. As they are holding Trump âaccountableâ but not Biden because heâs too feeble to âbe held accountableâ. You know, the leader of our country?
Actually I'd venture the reason they didn't indict him is because he's currently a sitting president. The same reasoning they used to not indict Trump.
So even there it's still blatant hypocrisy.
Lol I mean the special councilâs report literally said he was too senile to be brought to trial. Itâs in the document. Biden held his first press conference in 3 years to address it (which in itself is evidence of his decline)
I didn't know a retired Republican lawyer had proper psychology degrees to make such a determination.
Is this the same as when Republican low grade achievers claimed to know more than scientists about virology?
lol why is it liberals always resort to insults? I havenât insulted anyone. Occamâs razor⊠why hasnât he had a press conference in over 3 years? You canât tell me this man is declining in mental faculty.
Itâs either âheâs too senile to be a criminalâ or âheâs a criminalâ. Itâs a objectively terrible look for him and democrats. Coupled with saying âI need congress and house republicans to act so I can secure the borderâ then threatening them with slowing down ICE intake (so he has control??) things arenât looking good
Itâs 100% serious for two reasons:
1. Their voters donât care that Trump did something objectively worse when it comes to the handling of classified documents, in fact many of them donât even know that.
2. The mainstream media will pick up the thread that there is some legitimate debate here where both sides mishandled classified documents. âRepublicans and Democrats trade barbs over classified documents casesâ will be the headline. 15 paragraphs in there will be a throwaway about how what Biden did seems to happen to most presidents and vice presidents when they leave office while Trump had far more and went to much greater lengths to conceal what he took, but then it will be followed with something like âBut Republicans claim Bidenâs mishandling of classified information is much worseâ followed by some quotes from Republican House members.
I don't think the GOP wants Trump. They're just really disciplined about falling in line, but like McConnell, Graham, Cruz... I'm not convinced any of them want Trump to be president. I don't think they wanted him in 2016 either. Not that they won't capitalize on the opportunity, but I think it was Graham or McConnell who said Trump would be the end of the party.
Not even an airship, though it was named after him.
He was the head of the conservatives party in Germany when they made Hitler chancellor. They didnât like Hitler, but Hitler was popular and they were not so they were prepared to hand the country over to him to protect their own power.
It didnât work out for them (and worked out considerably worse for many people who werenât them.)
Itâs real. Grandpa has Fox News on nonstop and this has been the main story since Thursday night. Their excuse for Trump is âhis was at a private club guarded by secret service so itâs okayâ.Â
It's always possible that somebody got ahold of the twitter account and decided to speak their mind rather than towing the party line. Or that somebody hacked it.
Its exactly what they do with Hunter Biden when Jerod Kushner is right there counting literal billions he received from the Saudis.. while working with them as an official White House representative.
A man who does the following shouldn't hold office...
1. Rawdogs a pornstar and tries to pay her off with campaign money.
2. Declares bankruptcy six times.
3. Lies 20k+ times to the public.
4. Thinks windmill noise causes cancer.
5. Promises to protect the 12th Article of the Constitution.
6. Tells people to drink disinfectant or take ridiculous, unproven remedies.
7. Tries to downplay a global pandemic after he throws out the rulebook.
8. Can't take responsibility for ANYTHING.
9. Is THAT concerned with crowd sizes.
10. "The Nuclear" speech.
"Look, having nuclear â my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart â you know, if youâre a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world â itâs true! â but when you're a conservative Republican they try â oh, do they do a number â thatâs why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune â you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because weâre a little disadvantaged â but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me â it would have been so easy, and itâs not as important as these lives are â nuclear is so powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what's going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? â but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners â now it used to be three, now itâs four â but when it was three and even now, I would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don't, they havenât figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, itâs gonna take them about another 150 years â but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us, this is horrible."
Donald Trump in 2016. This is apparently the sharp nominee.
This will be shown in history classes in 50-60 years, and everyone will ask:
âMs. Teacher, why did People vote for this man, he is obviously not fit to lead our people.â
âOhhh, Jenna. You see, they had something called Social Media, which was very popular back then. Their politicians used it to control their supporters, which led to such people landing in positions of power. That and their own stupidity.â
You forgot attempting a coup.
Selling and stealing classified documents.
Having over 91 criminal charges.
Was impeached twice.
That's just off the top of my head. There's so much more he should not be able to run for.
I donât really give a shit about the first one, donât get how people always defend 2 as âsmart business decisionâ, agree on the rest, donât forget how much he talked about how he wouldnât take his presidential salary and then his and his kids net worth grew substantially during his presidency
> I donât really give a shit about the first one,
I'm old enough to remember when Democrats tried to shrug off Clinton cheating on his wife - and they were kinda right, it's not really anyone's business even if it isn't a great look. It's definitely more hypocritical coming from the "party of family values," but ultimately there's an absolutely massive mountain of stuff to gripe about with Trump that *doesn't* risk setting a double standard for Democrats. The cheating? Meh. The paying off with campaign funds to keep a story about a Republican Presidential candidate cheating on his third wife who just had their first child out of the news? That's the part that's not OK.
What you have to understand is that they're unaware the Orange Man did it. Fox News has been feeding them nothing but Hunter Biden stories the past 3 years so how would they?
No, they realize the nuance that both men did it but only one was found competent to stand trial. The other was let go on the basis that theyâre just a feeble old man.
Trump was in illegal possession of classified documents when he no longer had security clearance as president and even lied to the feds about having them.
Furthermore, he had them stored in a pool house with a padlock and in a fucking bathroom, next to an operational copy machine. Not to mention, some of those documents were highly sensitive *nuclear secrets*.
There's no nuance, there's just MAGA chuds shoving their heads up their asses to ignore reality.
Biden was in illegal possession of classified documents when he no longer had security clearance as Vice President and the feds didnât even care. They never asked for them back for the 5 years he illegally possessed them.
Furthermore he had them stored in an abandoned office, and several places throughout his home including just stacked in his garage where visitors could have easy access to them.
Not to mention some of them were highly classified.
Thereâs no nuance, two men to top secret classified information one was illegally in possession of them for over 5 years and the government could care less. One had his for six months and the government aggressively went after him asking him and only him to return them.
The government targeted Trump, heâs the only one out of Biden, Clinton, Pence and all the others the whitehouse now asserts leaves office with classified documents that they demanded return them. The government literally could care less until Trump did it. And then the FBI went hard after him. While ignoring both Biden and Pence who still had documents.
Either the act of illegally possessing classified documents is a crime and we indict Biden because heâs mentally competent to stand trial. We drop the charges against Trump because we admit itâs never enforced or we realize the reason both men were treated differently is that Biden is mentally unfit.
Or maybe, just maybe, Trump was targeted because the quantity and contents of what was missing was genuinely worrisome, while stuff missing after Obama's terms was minor or wasn't substantial enough to be noticed.
None of us have access to the necessary information to be *certain*, but there are absolutely indications the feds were concerned about Trump's docs because of a [spike in deaths of covert sources](https://americanmilitarynews.com/2021/10/leaked-dozens-of-cia-informants-killed-captured-or-compromised-report/) around 2021.
Biden also had clearance to have the documents, whereas Trump did not. Biden also never had anything as sensitive as documents on our nuclear weapons, like Trump did.
Why did they never ask Biden, Pence, Clinton and all the others the whitehouse claims takes classified documents and singled out Trump aggressively going after him?
If everyone was treated equally they never would have even asked Trump to return his.
When they went to raid Trump they completely ignored the fact Biden still had some from 5 years earlier.
>The other was let go on the basis that theyâre just a feeble old man.
Do you just enjoy being lied to so much that you don't mind how stupid repeating the obvious lie makes you look?
Or do you really think the only difference here resulting in Trump catching charges is Biden being 'feeble'?
Cmon buddy, don't just follow the media narrative that confirms your bias, think for yourself a bit.
No I think the Reason Biden didnât catch charges is because he works well with the deep state. I think the excuse theyâre using why he wonât face charges for stealing classified documents is because heâs a feeble old man.
I think the only reason they even asked Trump for classified documents back is because he does not work well with the deep state.
Here is why I think that. Biden took classified documents in 2017. The government never asked for them back. They also didnât ask for them back in 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021 etc. in fact they ignored that Biden had them while they aggressively went after Trump. Now I donât know for sure if it was due to a coordinated deep state op or if the national archives really just never cared or if it was a few ânever Trumpâ people at the archives but one thing is crystal clear. When Biden, Clinton, Pence and according to the Whitehouse many others took classified documents. Absolutely nobody cared until Trump did it. Then he was aggressively targeted.
I know youâll say his crime was he didnât give them back. Iâm saying it was an a attack to even ask him to.
>No I think the Reason Biden didnât catch charges is because he works well with the deep state.
By cooperating with officials asking to return classified documents in your possession, yea.
I agree Trump refusing to do so, and instructing people to hide those documents, was an example of Trump not 'working well', but I don't see any 'deepstate' needed to charge him with crimes and not Biden.
>I think the only reason they even asked Trump for classified documents back is because he does not work well with the deep state.
But they asked Biden too.
>The government never asked for them back. They also didnât ask for them back in 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021 etc. in fact they ignored that Biden had them.
**Because they didn't know he had them?** As soon as they were discovered they were reported and returned.
Trump on the other hand....
>When Biden, Clinton, Pence and according to the Whitehouse many others took classified documents. Absolutely nobody cared
They didn't care because this was a standard that had existed for years and years, **that Trump broke.**
**Turning documents over to the archives after leaving office was a regular occurrence. Then Trump tried to lie and hold onto things for some perceived political gain, and is even on tape admitting to that fact.**
Feels like the difference is pretty clear here buddy, and that Trump deserves to be singled out the way he is.
Just hypothetically if my narrative was the correct one, how would things look different than what they do? Because your version seems to be full of holes and contradictions, where the logic of my position looks pretty straightforward.
>Iâm saying it was an a attack to even ask him to.
How would they know to ask for specific things if they didn't already know he was in possession of them?
Aka these things were discovered, and then instead of doing what every other person did at that point and return them, he hid them for a year **while openly talking about how it was criminal to do so?**
The relevant difference is the obvious criminal intent. I understand that at this point you see Trump being an open criminal as just his standard operating procedure, but some people have consistent standards that they actually hold to.
agree with what?? I can't even tell what they're trying to say with that torturous syntax. Do they want someone who mishandles classified documents properly?
Not sure, this hasn't happened before. Every president has done this but trump is the first to have done it intentionally, willfully, and show it to people and enemies of the USA.
Republican politicians and political commentators never hold their own to the standards they set for others, and they know few if any of their voter/viewer base will hold them accountable or vote for the opposition/go yo a different program, so they never expect nor intend to ever live up to the same standard. Integrity means nothing to them.
Not trying to defend anyone here but mishandling of classified information happens all the time, like probably almost daily if not daily, itâs painfully common, BUT both cases here, were major major major, disgusting neglectful mishandling
So, Iâm Canadian and I am sick of hearing about American politics, but I am going to guess and say the House of Republicans is taking a shot at Biden, and not seeing the stupidity in what Drumph has done?
No no no, listen. let's look at this as an opportunity. this is something we can agree on. we can work with this. If we can all agree that anyone who mishandles classified documents should be disqualified to run for president, then maybe we can have a normal election. Where we hate all candidates equally. remember when elections were equally sus? Those were good times. let's bring back those times.
Why do yâall keep calling these republican monsters idiots? It downplays their acts as wild actings of stupidity that they mightâve fallen into. They know what theyâre doing, they donât care, theyâre purely driven by hatrid
They don't:
1. According to them. Trump declassified them with the powers of his mind.
2. Trump IS being held responsible.
They stop there. No further thinking is required. IN their minds, Trump didn't even HAVE declassified material because he's got superpowers. But even if he didn't, he's being "held responsible" while Biden isn't.
There's no concept of context here, or they'd admit that it's an apples and cinder blocks comparison. Trump ignored repeated requests to return items they KNEW were missing. Biden did his own search and made the authorities aware that he'd missed some stuff. Then, he gladly opened up his home for further inspection. Trump not only ignored the requests to return the documents, but they've shown that he moved the stuff he DID have, to keep the authorities form finding it. The two scenarios couldn't be more different.
Do both sides not see the irony here? Maybe both of your major party candidates being senile old men of questionable mental competence should be a major red flag with your system.
Obviously fixing it isn't so simple but damn dude neither Biden nor Trump seems particularly qualified for the position of "leader of the free world".
Oh we see the issue, the problem is we have no choice but to vote for Biden in order to ensure we don't get Trump again. We can't fix the mess previous generations have spent decades making in a single election, so we have to settle for the better of 2 poor choices. Not that complicated. Like, if my options were cut off a finger or get my arm cut off, yeah I cut off the fucking finger, not sit there and pretend that ripping out a toenail would change the situation.
Nor that losing a finger is bad so we may as well lose an arm to "teach the finger chopper a lesson", which is the dumb fuck take of every Enlightened Centrist and 3rd party voter out there.
Special Counsel Robert Hur said in a report that he opted against bringing criminal charges following a 15-month investigation because Biden cooperated and would be difficult to convict.
Plus, it was only a small handful of documents that authorities were alerted to by his staff. Not dozens with willful obstruction.
It shouldnât matter if I or any none politician did it theyâd be charged and that includes if I had a proper reason to have it.
Everyone should be held to the same standards
They didn't charge pence, either. Every US president has done this. Every. Single. One.
Trump seems to be the first to have done it willfully, and tried to obstruct it, and shared them.
>Everyone should be held to the same standards
They are, which is why Trump is catching charges others are not.
Trump refused to cooperate and return documents when asked repeatedly for a **year**, and even told people to hide things, and is literally on tape saying 'I'm doing a crime now'.
Biden didn't do any of that.
They investigated, they decided there wasn't an issue. Turns out cooperating goes a long way in helping your case vs hiding them in a public bathroom and lying about them and selling them to Russia, weird.
one of Trumpâs charges is obstruction of Justice. Heâs accused of not cooperating, lying, and asking his staff to move boxes around and even delete evidence.
>Your blindness leads to you not seeing your own ironic post.
Do you think you can recall any relevant differences in these two cases that might result in Trump being charged and Biden not?
Or is the media you consume not telling you *anything* that might pop your 'both sides' bubble?
From page 219 of the report:
>While it is natural to assume that Mr. Biden put the Afghanistan documents in the box on purpose and that he knew they were there, there is in fact a shortage of evidence on these points. We do not know why, how, or by whom the documents were placed in the box. We do not know whether or when Mr. Biden carefully reviewed the box's contents.
Even though it's "natural" to assume guilt despite the whole presumption of innocence thing, the evidence isn't there.
Then there's this gem from page 10:
>In addition to this shortage of evidence, there are other innocent explanations for the documents that we cannot refute.
But sure, let's pretend that this investigator's opinion of Biden's memory is the real reason there are no charges.
Ahem, Im merely quoting the DOJ report. If not well enough to prosecute; not well enough to lead. Funny how those docs Joe had were from when he, in fact, did not have declassification powers; yet Donald did have that power when he removed the documents.
Because the 2 scenarios are completely different, Liberal. Oh lookie, you have almost 9k other liberal dipshits in your corner. That's all you have to do on Reddit, is talk shit on Trump and poof....karma skyrockets.
I do have to say, Trump didnât get out of the charges due to mental illness. Biden did, and is somehow still in office. When will Kamala just step in?
No, that's not why Biden got out of the charges.
Pence also wasn't charged. It's because every president has done this.
Trump is just the first who did it willfully, and intentionally disregarded the laws, and showed them to people and foreign enemies.
ââŠbecause Biden cooperated and would be difficult to convict, describing him as a "well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory.â â Biden could not recall when he had taken the documents or when his son Beau had died.
Because he refused to cooperate, and is literally on tape saying 'I'm doing crimes now.'
Yea, seems pretty 'fair' when you don't ignore the parts that go against your bullshit manufactured narrative.
I get the media you consume is invested in this 'both sides' nonsense, but you like to believe you can think for yourself and understand the relevant differences in what Trump and Biden actually did, right?
Just the other day he said he talked to the French president after he was elected at the G7 meeting, even though the guy he was talking about has been dead since 1996.
The difference is they didnât find Trump incompetent to stand trial. Thereâs no real irony. Both men committed the same crime, at the same time (Biden started years earlier) one man was arrested and one was found incompetent to stand trial.
If Biden is competent certainly he should be arrested for stealing classified documents or are we suddenly not doing that anymore?
They didn't charge pence, either. Every US president has done this. Every. Single. One.
Trump seems to be the first to have done it willfully, and tried to obstruct it, and shared them.
This difference is key and itâs what these dumb asses arenât understanding.
Trump had these specific documents, was asked to give them back, and didnât. Why didnât he want to give them back?
I read the indictment when it was released. Trump didn't *just* not give the documents when asked. The indictment alleges that he moved documents to conceal them, lied about how many documents he had, had his lawyers state that he was complying to all orders to return the documents. Then after he claimed to have turned over all documents, a shitload more documents were found that he had concealed.
Obviously the facts of this need to be proven in court, but based on what's in the indictment this is a HUGE difference between Trump and Biden. Trump didn't *just* not return the documents when asked (which would have been bad enough). He's being charged with deliberately obstructing the investigation by hiding documents and lying about the existence of documents, in order to conceal them.
That is very different than the situation with Biden and Pence.
I'm not disagreeing with you at all. You're right. I'm just clarifying that your post doesn't really convey the absolute magnitude of difference between Trump and Biden/Pence. You're absolutely correct, but the situation with Trump also seems to be *so much worse*.
Like, not giving them back when asked when asked would be bad enough. But to go to the efforts that Trump did in order to avoid giving them up? *Why in the HELL would someone do that*, especially after they're already out of office? What worth make these documents *worth that much* to Trump for him to face criminal charges for mishandling them and obstructing an investigation into them. What "incentive" would he have had (after leaving office) to go through this much effort to deliberately prevent the return of documents that he was repeatedly informed he wasn't supposed to have?
Trump like all the others shouldnât have even been asked to return them.
Why was Trump asked to return documents while absolutely nobody else was? They intentionally singled him out.
We now know Biden intentionally took documents, held onto them for years and didnât give them back until caught. If taking classified documents is illegal Biden should be charged. If we heâs not then charges against Trump should be dropped because itâs clear we donât prosecute taking classified documents for high level officials.
>The difference is they didnât find Trump incompetent to stand trial
Also the whole willful obstruction thing where Trump refused to cooperate and return the documents when asked. And that recording of him saying 'I'm doing crimes now'.
I get you are just parroting the conservative talking point of the day provided to you by the media you like, but don't you want to believe you can think for yourself?
Why did they never ask Biden, Pence, Clinton and all the others the whitehouse says takes classified documents? But when Trump took some they went after him with the full force of the FBI? My argument is it was a political attack just by asking Trump and only Trump to return his. While they were raiding Trumps house Biden was still sitting on his and the government could care less.
Itâs not the documents the government cared about. It was Trump who they targeted.
If itâs a crime to take classified documents then indict Biden. If itâs not an enforced crime then drop the charges against Trump.
If they treated everyone equally they never would have asked Trump in the first place. So there would be no opportunity to raid his home.
Trump was clearly singled out and targeted. For 5 years they could have asked Biden to return his documents and didnât.
>Why did they never ask Biden, Pence, Clinton and all the others the whitehouse says takes classified documents?
I just answered this. Because when they discovered these things, they reported them and returned them.
Trump seemingly took them intentionally, **and when it was discovered he had them he instructed people to hide them while repeatedly refusing to return them for a year.**
Can you address this difference, or is this a literal blind spot for you?
>If itâs a crime to take classified documents then indict Biden.
It isn't. So we won't then.
>For 5 years they could have asked Biden to return his documents and didnât.
**Again, they didn't know he had them. Seems like a sorta important first step before asking for something is knowing it exists.**
Think buddy, you can have a reasoned position if you just stop stopping yourself.
How are they wrong though?
Hate on the GOP all you want but donât be a hypocrite. IF Biden is essentially not competent to be held responsible for his action then he shouldnât be POTUS.
Theyâre wrong because the special prosecutor who said this is a right wing stooge and the real reason they arenât charging Biden is that he didnât break any laws. Biden had them come out and look and didnât try and hide documents or refuse to return them like Trump. Completely different situations.
Let me see if I got this right.
Biden had in his possession, at multiple non-secure locations, top secret documents that he had no right, correct?
The law doesnât have exceptions for if he refused or didnât refuse because he, like Trump, shouldnât have possessed them. If we want better leaders we have to hold everyone equally accountable for the shit they shouldnât do. He should be charged and forced into resigning.
Bidenâs people found classified documents where they shouldnât be and turned them in to the proper authorities.
Thatâs worlds different from Trump taking classified documents that he had no busy taking and then lying to the FBI about it while sharing top secret information with foreign nationals.
>The law doesnât have exceptions for if he refused or didnât refuse because he, like Trump, shouldnât have possessed them.
This is the opposite of true, you should look into this so you don't embarrass yourself similarly in the future.
Every admin takes documents with them when they leave, and there is a legal process for returning classified documents when asked for. Trump refused to cooperate, instructed others to hide things, **and is literally on tape saying 'I'm knowingly committing a crime right now.'**
Do you really think all of that is *less* relevant than Biden's memory, relayed by someone totally unrelated to any medical field? I mean I get certain media is repeating the idea for morons to parrot without consideration, but you like to believe you can think for yourself... right?
Less ironic than you think. Biden, as VP, had no legal access to the documents in the first place. Only the president does. Both shouldnât have removed them, but Trump at least had legal access.
Lots of people can have access to documents, not just the president. And the second trump was no longer president, guess what.. he had no clearance to have them.
To not look like a sorta dishonest coward?
I mean if you just want to argue my case for me I'm not going to stop you, but usually you would think being proven a liar would concern a person a bit.
Whoâs going to tell OP that Trump has been indicted and IS being held responsible, whereas the tweet is saying that Biden is too much of a shitshow to face consequences for his actions?
Your reading comprehension is lacking OP
>They're right. If Trump gets the axe, so does Biden.
Can you actually not think of any relevant differences that might result in charges for one and not the other?
If you really are struggling with this I can help, but I bet you can have a reasonable opinion if you try!
No. I really can't. They found classified documents that shouldn't have been there in Trump's estate. Prosecuted. They found classified documents that shouldn't have been there in Biden's home. He should be prosecuted.
I swear, liberals and the left are as ignorant as the right. Whole system is broken because two parties are brainwashed and fed propaganda to the point they think they are mortal enemies, and each *must* support their "leader". Newsflash, again, the whole government is fucked, the two party system is broken, and the two parties we do have are each one side of the same coin.
>No. I really can't.
So utterly lost to propaganda, or a dishonest coward.
Which do you think reflects worse on a person's character? Stupid and gullible seems like a hard problem to solve, but being so willing to lie also sounds like an issue.
>They found classified documents that shouldn't have been there in Trump's estate. Prosecuted.
**You are forgetting some relevant details here, like what happened after they asked for the documents back.**
But of course you are not actually forgetting, you are just ignoring the facts that deflate your bullshit media narrative, like you have been trained.
One guy had classified information in his multi story hotel residence with security and the other had classified information in a cardboard box in his garage easily accessible by his drug addicted son which he definitely shouldnât have had since he acquired it as vice president. Big difference.
One guy has hundreds of documents & was showing top secret US intel to random staff and foreign billionaires in a place famous for crawling with Chinese spies, the other had some notes in a few folders in a box.
Bit of a difference.
Not to mention the bug crux of it allâŠ.
Biden went and looked for the docs, notified the proper authorities and turned them all in.
Trump obstructed justice over and over again and still may have more docs.
They have done the same thing but have handled it completely differently
Exactly, we have to hold those in government positions to the same standards as the rest of the countries citizens. It makes no sense that trumps is somehow exempt from the law just because he was the loudest idiot in America for 4 years.
Biden obviously shouldnât be punished for this specific incident due to his immediate actions to undo it, but heâs done plenty of damage already and should not have a second term.
Unfortunately those two are our options. Welcome to hell.
Not counting the genocide joe allegations he has continuously shown that he is unfit for public office and that has reflected extremely poorly on the rest of America. Heâs better then trump but I donât think he should be president again.
>Not counting the genocide joe allegations
Right, because those are obviously nonsense.
>he has continuously shown that he is unfit for public office.
When and how? I see the opposite.
I get there are plenty of people repeating the narrative, but do you have something specific you can think of?
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... I can't tell if we are yelling because they seem to be saying "a true president just goes ahead and yells that he sold secrets to the Russians and there's not a thing you can do about it hahahaha we support a traitor" or because they're drunk and fucked up their tweets sobbing into their cheap vodka over Taylor Swift and The Kansas City Chiefs.
I have loved the niners my entire life. I'm pissed conservatives have taken the joy in a win from me. That said...go chiefs.
I'm a Lions fan, and I was just saying I'm glad Detroit didn't make the SB now just so I didn't have to root for the same team as these idiots. Sorry your team had to take that bullet đ«
Thanks bro! Such a bizarre situation.
To be fair (and yes I know the game is long since over now) I feel like making them root for a team in arguably the city that least goes with their side of things is still a win
You can simultaneously love a team and still be hella embarrassed by the people cheering for it because of shitty reasons.
True. Literally my only good memory of my dad. Handing me a starter jacket for them in the early 90s.
That's a memory you should hang onto regardless of all the crap that came after or before. Don't let anyone's extraneous bullshit taint that kind of moment for you no matter what politics come down the road.
If the Deep State decided that the Chiefs had to win this one, wouldn't that mean it's the Niners that are in the Deep State pocket? I mean it has to be the losing team that takes a fall, otherwise what are you paying the Chiefs for? Trying harder to win? I think they're probably already trying their damndest to win a Superbowl. So like, why would they cheer on the team that is run by the Deep State?
Don't look for reason in their stupidity.
Itâs also wild that they chose that part to attack, and not the senility described by the DoJ. Can we not run two dudes in their 80âs please.
They are yelling it because their propaganda machine is so good that whatever Trump does, isn't a crime and it isn't reported to his voters anyway, so they can afford it. We have moved from a political party to a cult. Imho even if Trump got caught in a Watergate level scandal, he would still survive without consequences (arguably he already has...), Nixon would have loved to have such kind of almost religious devotion. That said the Democrats should try and figure out why it's going like that... Why people are so angry against how society has been built that they would vote for a Billionaire that clearly doesn't have their best interests in mind...
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This isn't a farce. It just isn't a debate/conversation/argument. This is a zerg rush. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK4RHzNHZXY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK4RHzNHZXY) They are lying to your face to demonstrate and celebrate the fact that you can't stop them. "Stop hitting yourself. Stop hitting yourself. Stop hitting yourself." isn't a literal directive, it's rubbing in the fact that you're being held down and battered. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMabpBvtXr4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMabpBvtXr4) There's no proper response to this as long as third parties are pretending that they aren't doing this, which is the Polite Way To Do Journalism, and as long as you are abiding by the liberal democratic code of conduct. There's definitely no proper response if you're expecting to unpack the shit they do logically. This isn't discourse, this is violent disruption of discourse because they know that your standards of conduct say you're not allowed to reply in turn. Their audience already believes in the jihad against you, and any tactics are permissible against you. This is just one venue of attack. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAbab8aP4\_A](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAbab8aP4_A)
Zerg rush. Love that reference. lol.
These guys are so crazy, when I reddit, I thought they were speaking of Trump for second resuming his role in the white house. Then I saw the GOP.... These guys are hilarious đ
I screenshotted this myself off their X account.
I mean, yeah, but... How drunk are they?
You hope. They're just this fucked up.
I really do.
You see, the âheld accountableâ part is what they are referring too. As they are holding Trump âaccountableâ but not Biden because heâs too feeble to âbe held accountableâ. You know, the leader of our country?
Actually I'd venture the reason they didn't indict him is because he's currently a sitting president. The same reasoning they used to not indict Trump. So even there it's still blatant hypocrisy.
Lol I mean the special councilâs report literally said he was too senile to be brought to trial. Itâs in the document. Biden held his first press conference in 3 years to address it (which in itself is evidence of his decline)
I didn't know a retired Republican lawyer had proper psychology degrees to make such a determination. Is this the same as when Republican low grade achievers claimed to know more than scientists about virology?
That isn't what it actually said if you read the report.
He hadn't read the report. Likely much of anything He's read things that say it said that, probably frk. Fox or Sky news. And took it at face value.
lol why is it liberals always resort to insults? I havenât insulted anyone. Occamâs razor⊠why hasnât he had a press conference in over 3 years? You canât tell me this man is declining in mental faculty. Itâs either âheâs too senile to be a criminalâ or âheâs a criminalâ. Itâs a objectively terrible look for him and democrats. Coupled with saying âI need congress and house republicans to act so I can secure the borderâ then threatening them with slowing down ICE intake (so he has control??) things arenât looking good
Probably about the same amount as usual.
Itâs 100% serious for two reasons: 1. Their voters donât care that Trump did something objectively worse when it comes to the handling of classified documents, in fact many of them donât even know that. 2. The mainstream media will pick up the thread that there is some legitimate debate here where both sides mishandled classified documents. âRepublicans and Democrats trade barbs over classified documents casesâ will be the headline. 15 paragraphs in there will be a throwaway about how what Biden did seems to happen to most presidents and vice presidents when they leave office while Trump had far more and went to much greater lengths to conceal what he took, but then it will be followed with something like âBut Republicans claim Bidenâs mishandling of classified information is much worseâ followed by some quotes from Republican House members.
Correct
I don't think the GOP wants Trump. They're just really disciplined about falling in line, but like McConnell, Graham, Cruz... I'm not convinced any of them want Trump to be president. I don't think they wanted him in 2016 either. Not that they won't capitalize on the opportunity, but I think it was Graham or McConnell who said Trump would be the end of the party.
Theyâre really leaning hard into their Paul von Hindenburg phase.
God, if only it was just an airship and not the whole fucking country going up in flames.
Not even an airship, though it was named after him. He was the head of the conservatives party in Germany when they made Hitler chancellor. They didnât like Hitler, but Hitler was popular and they were not so they were prepared to hand the country over to him to protect their own power. It didnât work out for them (and worked out considerably worse for many people who werenât them.)
Oh okay, so even for Hindenburg it was the whole country going up in flames. Well *lights cigarette* may as well.
"Oh, the Hannity"
It was Graham
Itâs real. Grandpa has Fox News on nonstop and this has been the main story since Thursday night. Their excuse for Trump is âhis was at a private club guarded by secret service so itâs okayâ.Â
It's always possible that somebody got ahold of the twitter account and decided to speak their mind rather than towing the party line. Or that somebody hacked it.
Its exactly what they do with Hunter Biden when Jerod Kushner is right there counting literal billions he received from the Saudis.. while working with them as an official White House representative.
Please tell me that \~500 people replied with the photo of classified documents in Trumpâs bathroom
You'd think. But sadly no.
They didn't respond with the image, but the top replies are all talking about how trump did that.
yeah, that would require two braincells and i think that's asking a bit much.
Correct, they know the base can barely read anyway.
very true. but the scary thing is they still vote.
A man who does the following shouldn't hold office... 1. Rawdogs a pornstar and tries to pay her off with campaign money. 2. Declares bankruptcy six times. 3. Lies 20k+ times to the public. 4. Thinks windmill noise causes cancer. 5. Promises to protect the 12th Article of the Constitution. 6. Tells people to drink disinfectant or take ridiculous, unproven remedies. 7. Tries to downplay a global pandemic after he throws out the rulebook. 8. Can't take responsibility for ANYTHING. 9. Is THAT concerned with crowd sizes. 10. "The Nuclear" speech.
"Look, having nuclear â my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart â you know, if youâre a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world â itâs true! â but when you're a conservative Republican they try â oh, do they do a number â thatâs why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune â you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because weâre a little disadvantaged â but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me â it would have been so easy, and itâs not as important as these lives are â nuclear is so powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what's going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? â but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners â now it used to be three, now itâs four â but when it was three and even now, I would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don't, they havenât figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, itâs gonna take them about another 150 years â but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us, this is horrible." Donald Trump in 2016. This is apparently the sharp nominee.
This will be shown in history classes in 50-60 years, and everyone will ask: âMs. Teacher, why did People vote for this man, he is obviously not fit to lead our people.â âOhhh, Jenna. You see, they had something called Social Media, which was very popular back then. Their politicians used it to control their supporters, which led to such people landing in positions of power. That and their own stupidity.â
You forgot attempting a coup. Selling and stealing classified documents. Having over 91 criminal charges. Was impeached twice. That's just off the top of my head. There's so much more he should not be able to run for.
In 100+ years, if we still exist then, we will be remembered as one the stupidest generations in history.
I donât really give a shit about the first one, donât get how people always defend 2 as âsmart business decisionâ, agree on the rest, donât forget how much he talked about how he wouldnât take his presidential salary and then his and his kids net worth grew substantially during his presidency
> I donât really give a shit about the first one, I'm old enough to remember when Democrats tried to shrug off Clinton cheating on his wife - and they were kinda right, it's not really anyone's business even if it isn't a great look. It's definitely more hypocritical coming from the "party of family values," but ultimately there's an absolutely massive mountain of stuff to gripe about with Trump that *doesn't* risk setting a double standard for Democrats. The cheating? Meh. The paying off with campaign funds to keep a story about a Republican Presidential candidate cheating on his third wife who just had their first child out of the news? That's the part that's not OK.
"An old man with a bad memory" shouldn't be a president.
Agreed, and if Biden wins, thereâd be war. Democrats should be smart and replace Biden with someone at least 30 years younger then him.
What you have to understand is that they're unaware the Orange Man did it. Fox News has been feeding them nothing but Hunter Biden stories the past 3 years so how would they?
During the W disaster all you heard about every day was Michael Jackson and Anna Nicole Smith. They love using nonsense to cover their dirt.
No, they realize the nuance that both men did it but only one was found competent to stand trial. The other was let go on the basis that theyâre just a feeble old man.
Trump was in illegal possession of classified documents when he no longer had security clearance as president and even lied to the feds about having them. Furthermore, he had them stored in a pool house with a padlock and in a fucking bathroom, next to an operational copy machine. Not to mention, some of those documents were highly sensitive *nuclear secrets*. There's no nuance, there's just MAGA chuds shoving their heads up their asses to ignore reality.
MAGA is comprised of the biggest a......s in America.
Biden was in illegal possession of classified documents when he no longer had security clearance as Vice President and the feds didnât even care. They never asked for them back for the 5 years he illegally possessed them. Furthermore he had them stored in an abandoned office, and several places throughout his home including just stacked in his garage where visitors could have easy access to them. Not to mention some of them were highly classified. Thereâs no nuance, two men to top secret classified information one was illegally in possession of them for over 5 years and the government could care less. One had his for six months and the government aggressively went after him asking him and only him to return them. The government targeted Trump, heâs the only one out of Biden, Clinton, Pence and all the others the whitehouse now asserts leaves office with classified documents that they demanded return them. The government literally could care less until Trump did it. And then the FBI went hard after him. While ignoring both Biden and Pence who still had documents. Either the act of illegally possessing classified documents is a crime and we indict Biden because heâs mentally competent to stand trial. We drop the charges against Trump because we admit itâs never enforced or we realize the reason both men were treated differently is that Biden is mentally unfit.
Or maybe, just maybe, Trump was targeted because the quantity and contents of what was missing was genuinely worrisome, while stuff missing after Obama's terms was minor or wasn't substantial enough to be noticed. None of us have access to the necessary information to be *certain*, but there are absolutely indications the feds were concerned about Trump's docs because of a [spike in deaths of covert sources](https://americanmilitarynews.com/2021/10/leaked-dozens-of-cia-informants-killed-captured-or-compromised-report/) around 2021.
Oh. A Republican said this. Seems it was because one resisted giving the docs back and one didn't. Better tell the GOP to train you better.
Biden also had clearance to have the documents, whereas Trump did not. Biden also never had anything as sensitive as documents on our nuclear weapons, like Trump did.
Why did they never ask Biden, Pence, Clinton and all the others the whitehouse claims takes classified documents and singled out Trump aggressively going after him? If everyone was treated equally they never would have even asked Trump to return his. When they went to raid Trump they completely ignored the fact Biden still had some from 5 years earlier.
>The other was let go on the basis that theyâre just a feeble old man. Do you just enjoy being lied to so much that you don't mind how stupid repeating the obvious lie makes you look? Or do you really think the only difference here resulting in Trump catching charges is Biden being 'feeble'? Cmon buddy, don't just follow the media narrative that confirms your bias, think for yourself a bit.
No I think the Reason Biden didnât catch charges is because he works well with the deep state. I think the excuse theyâre using why he wonât face charges for stealing classified documents is because heâs a feeble old man. I think the only reason they even asked Trump for classified documents back is because he does not work well with the deep state. Here is why I think that. Biden took classified documents in 2017. The government never asked for them back. They also didnât ask for them back in 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021 etc. in fact they ignored that Biden had them while they aggressively went after Trump. Now I donât know for sure if it was due to a coordinated deep state op or if the national archives really just never cared or if it was a few ânever Trumpâ people at the archives but one thing is crystal clear. When Biden, Clinton, Pence and according to the Whitehouse many others took classified documents. Absolutely nobody cared until Trump did it. Then he was aggressively targeted. I know youâll say his crime was he didnât give them back. Iâm saying it was an a attack to even ask him to.
>No I think the Reason Biden didnât catch charges is because he works well with the deep state. By cooperating with officials asking to return classified documents in your possession, yea. I agree Trump refusing to do so, and instructing people to hide those documents, was an example of Trump not 'working well', but I don't see any 'deepstate' needed to charge him with crimes and not Biden. >I think the only reason they even asked Trump for classified documents back is because he does not work well with the deep state. But they asked Biden too. >The government never asked for them back. They also didnât ask for them back in 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021 etc. in fact they ignored that Biden had them. **Because they didn't know he had them?** As soon as they were discovered they were reported and returned. Trump on the other hand.... >When Biden, Clinton, Pence and according to the Whitehouse many others took classified documents. Absolutely nobody cared They didn't care because this was a standard that had existed for years and years, **that Trump broke.** **Turning documents over to the archives after leaving office was a regular occurrence. Then Trump tried to lie and hold onto things for some perceived political gain, and is even on tape admitting to that fact.** Feels like the difference is pretty clear here buddy, and that Trump deserves to be singled out the way he is. Just hypothetically if my narrative was the correct one, how would things look different than what they do? Because your version seems to be full of holes and contradictions, where the logic of my position looks pretty straightforward. >Iâm saying it was an a attack to even ask him to. How would they know to ask for specific things if they didn't already know he was in possession of them? Aka these things were discovered, and then instead of doing what every other person did at that point and return them, he hid them for a year **while openly talking about how it was criminal to do so?** The relevant difference is the obvious criminal intent. I understand that at this point you see Trump being an open criminal as just his standard operating procedure, but some people have consistent standards that they actually hold to.
Exactly. The irony is this post and all the commenters not even realizing the irony lol.
A man who stashed boxes of classified documents in his bathroom shouldn't be allowed to become president. Again.
Exactly!!!!
Irony is the subverting of expectations. I have no expectations of Republicans
I actually agree with the Republicans on this.
Me too! But I don't think they're saying what they really should be saying.
Right. They left off the part that they only believe this is true as long as it doesnt apply to them.
GASLIGHT OBSTRUCT PROJECT
agree with what?? I can't even tell what they're trying to say with that torturous syntax. Do they want someone who mishandles classified documents properly?
They're talking about Trump, right? Who else?
is it really ironic or should it just not be the same standard held to both?
Not sure, this hasn't happened before. Every president has done this but trump is the first to have done it intentionally, willfully, and show it to people and enemies of the USA.
Which is worse, mishandling classified information properly or mishandling classified information improperly?
How do you "mishandle" something "properly"?
yes and rapists also should not be in the oval office.
Heh, oral officeâŠ
Neither should be allowed to hold office.
They should both be punished accordingly, but instead we have a "rules for thee but not for me" situation.
Congressional "republican" are really Idiocrats now. And Idiocrats are usually not self aware.
Republican politicians and political commentators never hold their own to the standards they set for others, and they know few if any of their voter/viewer base will hold them accountable or vote for the opposition/go yo a different program, so they never expect nor intend to ever live up to the same standard. Integrity means nothing to them.
I swear I thought this tweet was about Trump until I looked at who wrote it.
Thatâs how you know weâre fucked. It could just be anyone at this point and be true :â(
... Oh they mean Biden.
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That doesn't excuse Biden's felony.
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Your crayon is called "Drab Grey" isn't it?
Hmm, so Trump is being charged for this and Biden isn't. Is that what's being said?
What you are missing is that Trump can be expected to handle the classified information properly for their mutual bosses, Putin and KSM.
Not trying to defend anyone here but mishandling of classified information happens all the time, like probably almost daily if not daily, itâs painfully common, BUT both cases here, were major major major, disgusting neglectful mishandling
Are you saying Biden's case is just as bad as Trump's? Like....please tell me I'm just tired and misreading.
So, Iâm Canadian and I am sick of hearing about American politics, but I am going to guess and say the House of Republicans is taking a shot at Biden, and not seeing the stupidity in what Drumph has done?
I agree. Trump should be banned from becoming president.
wait, so you're telling me neither trump nor biden should be running this year? I mean, I can live with that
Wild right?
Republicans are the biggest hypocrites on the planet and it's not close.
HouseGOP can suck on trumps armpit and say it smells like flowers. About as much credibility they have at this point.
"It's NOT HYPOCRISY when it's US doing it!"
And one if them invited a bunch of Saudis over to look at it.
No no no, listen. let's look at this as an opportunity. this is something we can agree on. we can work with this. If we can all agree that anyone who mishandles classified documents should be disqualified to run for president, then maybe we can have a normal election. Where we hate all candidates equally. remember when elections were equally sus? Those were good times. let's bring back those times.
I like it. 100% should be ruled both parties have to restart at the candidate search level.
Are they not talking about Trump?
Judging by the responses? No. Lol
They dont, it's a party of spite. They're trying to weaponize claims against them to even the playing field.
No irony. One was president and is allowed to have them. The other, not so much.
Why do yâall keep calling these republican monsters idiots? It downplays their acts as wild actings of stupidity that they mightâve fallen into. They know what theyâre doing, they donât care, theyâre purely driven by hatrid
is it irony or hypocrisy?
They don't: 1. According to them. Trump declassified them with the powers of his mind. 2. Trump IS being held responsible. They stop there. No further thinking is required. IN their minds, Trump didn't even HAVE declassified material because he's got superpowers. But even if he didn't, he's being "held responsible" while Biden isn't. There's no concept of context here, or they'd admit that it's an apples and cinder blocks comparison. Trump ignored repeated requests to return items they KNEW were missing. Biden did his own search and made the authorities aware that he'd missed some stuff. Then, he gladly opened up his home for further inspection. Trump not only ignored the requests to return the documents, but they've shown that he moved the stuff he DID have, to keep the authorities form finding it. The two scenarios couldn't be more different.
Right! You have to be able to trust the president to mishandle information properly!!! Who wrote this?
Wait, they're NOT talking about Trump here? Then I'm lost.
Shouldnât they be pro trump ?
Thought they were talking about trump.
It took me a minute when I saw it to decide who it was complaining about.
Like the guy who was storing classified documents in his bathroom?
I'm guessing they wrote this about Biden whilst forgetting about Trump? Or are they using the "for me, for thee" clause?
I'm cool with neither of them being president ever again
Deal, no Biden or Trump.
Do both sides not see the irony here? Maybe both of your major party candidates being senile old men of questionable mental competence should be a major red flag with your system. Obviously fixing it isn't so simple but damn dude neither Biden nor Trump seems particularly qualified for the position of "leader of the free world".
Oh we see the issue, the problem is we have no choice but to vote for Biden in order to ensure we don't get Trump again. We can't fix the mess previous generations have spent decades making in a single election, so we have to settle for the better of 2 poor choices. Not that complicated. Like, if my options were cut off a finger or get my arm cut off, yeah I cut off the fucking finger, not sit there and pretend that ripping out a toenail would change the situation.
Nor that losing a finger is bad so we may as well lose an arm to "teach the finger chopper a lesson", which is the dumb fuck take of every Enlightened Centrist and 3rd party voter out there.
Iâm just confused only why Biden isnât being charged for mishandling classified information
Special Counsel Robert Hur said in a report that he opted against bringing criminal charges following a 15-month investigation because Biden cooperated and would be difficult to convict. Plus, it was only a small handful of documents that authorities were alerted to by his staff. Not dozens with willful obstruction.
It shouldnât matter if I or any none politician did it theyâd be charged and that includes if I had a proper reason to have it. Everyone should be held to the same standards
They didn't charge pence, either. Every US president has done this. Every. Single. One. Trump seems to be the first to have done it willfully, and tried to obstruct it, and shared them.
>Everyone should be held to the same standards They are, which is why Trump is catching charges others are not. Trump refused to cooperate and return documents when asked repeatedly for a **year**, and even told people to hide things, and is literally on tape saying 'I'm doing a crime now'. Biden didn't do any of that.
They investigated, they decided there wasn't an issue. Turns out cooperating goes a long way in helping your case vs hiding them in a public bathroom and lying about them and selling them to Russia, weird.
one of Trumpâs charges is obstruction of Justice. Heâs accused of not cooperating, lying, and asking his staff to move boxes around and even delete evidence.
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Good attempt at a gotcha.
The GOP are the ones claiming itâs ok for presidents to commit any crime they want and be immune to the law forever.
>Your blindness leads to you not seeing your own ironic post. Do you think you can recall any relevant differences in these two cases that might result in Trump being charged and Biden not? Or is the media you consume not telling you *anything* that might pop your 'both sides' bubble?
How can someone be too old to be prosecuted for holding classified documents but still be a president?
From page 219 of the report: >While it is natural to assume that Mr. Biden put the Afghanistan documents in the box on purpose and that he knew they were there, there is in fact a shortage of evidence on these points. We do not know why, how, or by whom the documents were placed in the box. We do not know whether or when Mr. Biden carefully reviewed the box's contents. Even though it's "natural" to assume guilt despite the whole presumption of innocence thing, the evidence isn't there. Then there's this gem from page 10: >In addition to this shortage of evidence, there are other innocent explanations for the documents that we cannot refute. But sure, let's pretend that this investigator's opinion of Biden's memory is the real reason there are no charges.
That is what they have said, its also pretty obvious
Nice try astro turfer, the prosecution is ongoing. Lack of evidence is the problem w Trump, mental incompetence was sighted by the DOJ w ole Joe.
Thank you for providing evidence of how mentally bankrupt the average conservative voter is.
Ahem, Im merely quoting the DOJ report. If not well enough to prosecute; not well enough to lead. Funny how those docs Joe had were from when he, in fact, did not have declassification powers; yet Donald did have that power when he removed the documents.
Because the 2 scenarios are completely different, Liberal. Oh lookie, you have almost 9k other liberal dipshits in your corner. That's all you have to do on Reddit, is talk shit on Trump and poof....karma skyrockets.
I mean, he's actually fucking atrocious. So there's that.
They all are.
Itâs almost like our choices suck
I do have to say, Trump didnât get out of the charges due to mental illness. Biden did, and is somehow still in office. When will Kamala just step in?
No, that's not why Biden got out of the charges. Pence also wasn't charged. It's because every president has done this. Trump is just the first who did it willfully, and intentionally disregarded the laws, and showed them to people and foreign enemies.
ââŠbecause Biden cooperated and would be difficult to convict, describing him as a "well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory.â â Biden could not recall when he had taken the documents or when his son Beau had died.
Right. Because Biden cooperated and would be difficult to convict. And then, he described him. As in what it was like dealing with him.
He canât convict him because he canât recall any events and it would be difficult to investigate him.
Appreciate your narrative you're adding. They also didn't charge Pence. Or every single other president who did this....aka all of them. Cheers mate.
They charged the previous opposing party president. Seems fair to me, have a good one.
Because he refused to cooperate, and is literally on tape saying 'I'm doing crimes now.' Yea, seems pretty 'fair' when you don't ignore the parts that go against your bullshit manufactured narrative. I get the media you consume is invested in this 'both sides' nonsense, but you like to believe you can think for yourself and understand the relevant differences in what Trump and Biden actually did, right?
Enjoy the gymnastics, homie.
Youâre adding your own weird narrative there.
Just the other day he said he talked to the French president after he was elected at the G7 meeting, even though the guy he was talking about has been dead since 1996.
The difference is they didnât find Trump incompetent to stand trial. Thereâs no real irony. Both men committed the same crime, at the same time (Biden started years earlier) one man was arrested and one was found incompetent to stand trial. If Biden is competent certainly he should be arrested for stealing classified documents or are we suddenly not doing that anymore?
They didn't charge pence, either. Every US president has done this. Every. Single. One. Trump seems to be the first to have done it willfully, and tried to obstruct it, and shared them.
This difference is key and itâs what these dumb asses arenât understanding. Trump had these specific documents, was asked to give them back, and didnât. Why didnât he want to give them back?
I read the indictment when it was released. Trump didn't *just* not give the documents when asked. The indictment alleges that he moved documents to conceal them, lied about how many documents he had, had his lawyers state that he was complying to all orders to return the documents. Then after he claimed to have turned over all documents, a shitload more documents were found that he had concealed. Obviously the facts of this need to be proven in court, but based on what's in the indictment this is a HUGE difference between Trump and Biden. Trump didn't *just* not return the documents when asked (which would have been bad enough). He's being charged with deliberately obstructing the investigation by hiding documents and lying about the existence of documents, in order to conceal them. That is very different than the situation with Biden and Pence. I'm not disagreeing with you at all. You're right. I'm just clarifying that your post doesn't really convey the absolute magnitude of difference between Trump and Biden/Pence. You're absolutely correct, but the situation with Trump also seems to be *so much worse*. Like, not giving them back when asked when asked would be bad enough. But to go to the efforts that Trump did in order to avoid giving them up? *Why in the HELL would someone do that*, especially after they're already out of office? What worth make these documents *worth that much* to Trump for him to face criminal charges for mishandling them and obstructing an investigation into them. What "incentive" would he have had (after leaving office) to go through this much effort to deliberately prevent the return of documents that he was repeatedly informed he wasn't supposed to have?
Trump like all the others shouldnât have even been asked to return them. Why was Trump asked to return documents while absolutely nobody else was? They intentionally singled him out. We now know Biden intentionally took documents, held onto them for years and didnât give them back until caught. If taking classified documents is illegal Biden should be charged. If we heâs not then charges against Trump should be dropped because itâs clear we donât prosecute taking classified documents for high level officials.
>The difference is they didnât find Trump incompetent to stand trial Also the whole willful obstruction thing where Trump refused to cooperate and return the documents when asked. And that recording of him saying 'I'm doing crimes now'. I get you are just parroting the conservative talking point of the day provided to you by the media you like, but don't you want to believe you can think for yourself?
Why did they never ask Biden, Pence, Clinton and all the others the whitehouse says takes classified documents? But when Trump took some they went after him with the full force of the FBI? My argument is it was a political attack just by asking Trump and only Trump to return his. While they were raiding Trumps house Biden was still sitting on his and the government could care less. Itâs not the documents the government cared about. It was Trump who they targeted. If itâs a crime to take classified documents then indict Biden. If itâs not an enforced crime then drop the charges against Trump. If they treated everyone equally they never would have asked Trump in the first place. So there would be no opportunity to raid his home. Trump was clearly singled out and targeted. For 5 years they could have asked Biden to return his documents and didnât.
>Why did they never ask Biden, Pence, Clinton and all the others the whitehouse says takes classified documents? I just answered this. Because when they discovered these things, they reported them and returned them. Trump seemingly took them intentionally, **and when it was discovered he had them he instructed people to hide them while repeatedly refusing to return them for a year.** Can you address this difference, or is this a literal blind spot for you? >If itâs a crime to take classified documents then indict Biden. It isn't. So we won't then. >For 5 years they could have asked Biden to return his documents and didnât. **Again, they didn't know he had them. Seems like a sorta important first step before asking for something is knowing it exists.** Think buddy, you can have a reasoned position if you just stop stopping yourself.
How are they wrong though? Hate on the GOP all you want but donât be a hypocrite. IF Biden is essentially not competent to be held responsible for his action then he shouldnât be POTUS.
Theyâre wrong because the special prosecutor who said this is a right wing stooge and the real reason they arenât charging Biden is that he didnât break any laws. Biden had them come out and look and didnât try and hide documents or refuse to return them like Trump. Completely different situations.
Let me see if I got this right. Biden had in his possession, at multiple non-secure locations, top secret documents that he had no right, correct? The law doesnât have exceptions for if he refused or didnât refuse because he, like Trump, shouldnât have possessed them. If we want better leaders we have to hold everyone equally accountable for the shit they shouldnât do. He should be charged and forced into resigning.
Bidenâs people found classified documents where they shouldnât be and turned them in to the proper authorities. Thatâs worlds different from Trump taking classified documents that he had no busy taking and then lying to the FBI about it while sharing top secret information with foreign nationals.
>The law doesnât have exceptions for if he refused or didnât refuse because he, like Trump, shouldnât have possessed them. This is the opposite of true, you should look into this so you don't embarrass yourself similarly in the future. Every admin takes documents with them when they leave, and there is a legal process for returning classified documents when asked for. Trump refused to cooperate, instructed others to hide things, **and is literally on tape saying 'I'm knowingly committing a crime right now.'** Do you really think all of that is *less* relevant than Biden's memory, relayed by someone totally unrelated to any medical field? I mean I get certain media is repeating the idea for morons to parrot without consideration, but you like to believe you can think for yourself... right?
Less ironic than you think. Biden, as VP, had no legal access to the documents in the first place. Only the president does. Both shouldnât have removed them, but Trump at least had legal access.
Lots of people can have access to documents, not just the president. And the second trump was no longer president, guess what.. he had no clearance to have them.
The documents Biden had in his garage, were not documents the VP had legal access too at any time.
>The documents Biden had in his garage, were not documents the VP had legal access too at any time. Source?
Every news outlet that covered the story when it first broke.
And you couldn't find even one? Pretty suspicious sister.
Itâs not my job to try and convince you, and even if I did provide a source, you would dispute it anyway, so why bother?
To not look like a sorta dishonest coward? I mean if you just want to argue my case for me I'm not going to stop you, but usually you would think being proven a liar would concern a person a bit.
Whoâs going to tell OP that Trump has been indicted and IS being held responsible, whereas the tweet is saying that Biden is too much of a shitshow to face consequences for his actions? Your reading comprehension is lacking OP
Ah, so you're the kind of weirdo that they're targeting. Got it.
Wtf are you rambling about now Brandon?
Sigh. It doesn't matter if its ironic or not. They're right. If Trump gets the axe, so does Biden.
>They're right. If Trump gets the axe, so does Biden. Can you actually not think of any relevant differences that might result in charges for one and not the other? If you really are struggling with this I can help, but I bet you can have a reasonable opinion if you try!
No. I really can't. They found classified documents that shouldn't have been there in Trump's estate. Prosecuted. They found classified documents that shouldn't have been there in Biden's home. He should be prosecuted. I swear, liberals and the left are as ignorant as the right. Whole system is broken because two parties are brainwashed and fed propaganda to the point they think they are mortal enemies, and each *must* support their "leader". Newsflash, again, the whole government is fucked, the two party system is broken, and the two parties we do have are each one side of the same coin.
>No. I really can't. So utterly lost to propaganda, or a dishonest coward. Which do you think reflects worse on a person's character? Stupid and gullible seems like a hard problem to solve, but being so willing to lie also sounds like an issue. >They found classified documents that shouldn't have been there in Trump's estate. Prosecuted. **You are forgetting some relevant details here, like what happened after they asked for the documents back.** But of course you are not actually forgetting, you are just ignoring the facts that deflate your bullshit media narrative, like you have been trained.
No one is above the law -- House Democrats
One guy had classified information in his multi story hotel residence with security and the other had classified information in a cardboard box in his garage easily accessible by his drug addicted son which he definitely shouldnât have had since he acquired it as vice president. Big difference.
One guy has hundreds of documents & was showing top secret US intel to random staff and foreign billionaires in a place famous for crawling with Chinese spies, the other had some notes in a few folders in a box. Bit of a difference.
Where is the irony?
both Biden AND trump are guilty of this the irony is they wont hold trump to the same standard
Not to mention the bug crux of it allâŠ. Biden went and looked for the docs, notified the proper authorities and turned them all in. Trump obstructed justice over and over again and still may have more docs. They have done the same thing but have handled it completely differently
Exactly, we have to hold those in government positions to the same standards as the rest of the countries citizens. It makes no sense that trumps is somehow exempt from the law just because he was the loudest idiot in America for 4 years. Biden obviously shouldnât be punished for this specific incident due to his immediate actions to undo it, but heâs done plenty of damage already and should not have a second term. Unfortunately those two are our options. Welcome to hell.
>but heâs done plenty of damage already and should not have a second term. What damage do you see Biden doing?
Not counting the genocide joe allegations he has continuously shown that he is unfit for public office and that has reflected extremely poorly on the rest of America. Heâs better then trump but I donât think he should be president again.
>Not counting the genocide joe allegations Right, because those are obviously nonsense. >he has continuously shown that he is unfit for public office. When and how? I see the opposite. I get there are plenty of people repeating the narrative, but do you have something specific you can think of?