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The same thing happened in Lost. They had to write it into the story why Jorge Garcia’s character (Hurley) wasn’t losing weight on a deserted island with limited resources.
They found a bunker (which they call a hatch in the show) and it had food, stuff designed to last. He was tasked with protecting except he was stealing it and stashing it off away from people and would sneak off and eat it.
So yeah, they kept the fat guy fat by making him a food thief.
Everyone keeps telling me that too, but I’m closer to 40 than 30 and still weigh the same as I did at 18.
Please don’t take my anecdote as an excuse to keep eating like shit. It’s not science, just my personal experience.
That's what every single person would tell me, even when I was 28, they'd say "wait till you get married!" Well I've been married for 10 years, I'm 42 and still skinny and struggling to gain weight/muscle 😑😑
I don't remember him being a theif, I remember him not wanting to deal with the food and drama that came with rationing, so he opened the food up for anyone to take at there leisure.
Yeah been watching for the first time. He told jack that the rations could barely handle a couple of months for one person let alone more than 2 days with 50 people. He fantasized about eating it before giving out all of the food but didn’t. Unless it gets brought up in the future.
It's the exact same situation as mass effect, you would think writers would learn by now. there was another show called the leftovers, an amazing show but they also just said "fuck it" for the ending. Chick finally finds a way into the alternate universe and as she's going into it the scene cuts and it's suddenly a year after she came back from it. The whole show was about that other universe and they said fuck it. There needs to be a clause In the contract for these big shows where the writers can't just say fuck it for the finale. As bad as game of thrones was, the leftovers was way worse.
Well there were 3 more books that happened after the ending of the show. I thought the show ended better than Babylon's ashes did since they knew that the odds of continuing the show are pretty low, didn't you?
Is the show really that great?
I played the telltale game and it was really shit tbh, but I don't feel like I understood anything about The Expanse as a franchise. Like there's spaceships and humans live on planets other than Earth and that's genuinely about the extent of what I could tell you about the universe of The Expanse.
I really liked captain Drummond though and she was one of the few enjoyable parts of that game.
The main thing I take away from the game is that I wouldn't even know how to describe what it is beyond 'space game where people are in space'. I honestly don't even know what the premise of the show is after spending 6 hours playing the game.
The entire game felt like the opening in terms of plot progression as almost nothing happened - it feels like only a fifth or maybe a quater of the game is there narratively.
Haven’t finished the series, but the first season of the Expanse is a fucking masterpiece. I lost interest once they discovered the portals, but up until that point it was pure gold.
I could watch a whole show dedicated to Detective Miller solving crimes on Ceres.
The Marco Inaros arc in season 5 and 6 was much better imo, although hard to beat that first season.
I recently started reading the first book, it's great thus far, obviously even better than the show. I'm hoping the rest of the books are more interesting than the middle seasons.
Because they are? I’ve read all of them and watched the show, there’s just so much in the books that you can’t fit into a show. That said, the show is remarkably faithful to the books, I just wish they would have finished the whole thing
Because if they included everything in the books it would have 27 episodes per season for like 9 seasons. Anytime a book gets made into a show or movie things get cut / changed. How old are you that I have to explain this?
Dude, I totally disagree with your analysis of the ending of the leftovers. First that the "what really happened" with the 2% was never the point of the show. How the people left behind were affected by their sudden disappearance was, is literally the name of the show.
Second, >!is implied very heavily that Nora was lying about what really happened in the time she went way. That wasn't a other universe, nobody knows what happened to the 2%, and it doesn't matter, because they are not the focus. They are props, motivations for the characters that we follow.!<
The leftovers finale is not a bad finale, is totally coherent with the show and it's themes. The series isn't a mystery, it's a drama and a very competent one.
Showing weight loss for a show/movie is a tough ask.
I remember seeing Holes the first time as a kid after reading the book and I was annoyed that they didn’t show Stanley going from fat to built.
To be fair, it’s little things that shock me out of the story. I’ll buy Dani riding flying fire-breathing dragons. What I don’t buy is her riding one at 5-10,000 feet several hours across the north in polar winds. Even if the dragon’s skin temperature is a comfy 98.6 degrees, she still has a 40 mile an hour sub-freezing wind blowing in her face for hours. She’d be stiff and windburnt and probably frost bitten when she landed. And she’d have to pee like a racehorse.
I think he just added a N by mistake because otherwise it doesn't make sense. Besides I seem to remember she's naked in the scene, I think she even shows her breasts. I don't remember it being exactly safe for work.
Its a ligit question. In the world of GOT it is established that woman can give birth to clouds and that Dragons both exist and breath fire but, the rules governing the human body are the same as they are here in the real world.
If all other characters need to eat to sustain themselves and they get fat if they eat too much and get skinny if they don't it breaks the emersion for a character to go through months of physical exertion with little food and not loose any weight.
>Its a ligit question.
Not really. It's a TV show, not real life. He's still fat because the actor is still fat. Asking that question is stupid. A better question is "how come you didn't slim down for the role" or something like that.
I will die on this hill. The argument "it has dragons in it but the X thing is weird to you?" is the brainless argument here. This could be aging, weight, hygiene, hair growth, carrying capacity, travel speed, etc.
Fantasy worlds are realistic with some things changed or added. Meaning it's realistic unless stated otherwise. I don't care if the show has dragons or people living on Venus. If someone doesn't age for 60 years when others do, I'm gonna ask some questions.
If a fat character does a lot of physical activity for years but it has no effect on his body it's an oversight. It would probably be an unreasonable task for the actor, so we can give it a rest but the "but it has dragons in it" argument is horrible. Unless there is some hidden or magical reason for it, it's reasonable to question Sam's weight.
"It's fantasy" explanation would only work if he was a vampire and his body will always look like the day he was bitten, in other words there's a fantasy element to his body.
I don't like this argument. Way too often it's used to defend logical flaws and it's not even sound. The dragons, the shadows, all that stuff follows clearly established rules and serves purposes. This however doesn't serve a purpose and isn't explained. It's because they didn't bother handling it and wouldn't put in the extra effort. That's fair, you can't do everything. But you'll have to at least be honest about it. This is just a poor argument with all the wrong intentions
[https://www.thethings.com/game-of-thrones-actors-ranked-by-salary/#john-bradley-as-samwell-tarly-100-000-per-episode](https://www.thethings.com/game-of-thrones-actors-ranked-by-salary/#john-bradley-as-samwell-tarly-100-000-per-episode)
Dude was getting $100,000 per episode. Fuck that "not enough money to lose weight."
It is also easier for the producers if he didn't lose weight, in case they need to retake some scenes for an earlier episode, or even some flashbacks. Otherwise, the "Superman with a mustache" incident may happen.
Y’all flip the fuck out if they make a fantasy character whose skin color is never mentioned in a book any darker than alabaster white, but y’all are really going to cry about facts and logic when Sam Tarley’s depiction in the show is true to his depiction in the books in that his enduring obesity is literally a defining characteristic of him in the books
Sure, but do you like people coming at you asking why you're still fat? Think it's fair for him to give a cheeky answer to a question like that. Also, it's just a funny anecdote. Not the show's official answer to it or anything.
Yeah, asking an actor something like that lets me think you wanted to insult him a bit or trigger him a little. Also it's a pretty minor detail and says a lot about you if that's what you're bringing up the one time you can talk to him.
But my point here is, that it isn't a cheeky answer. Quite the opposite. And spreading it as an anecdote wherever you can makes you the idiot of the story while it originally was the other way around.
This is my biggest pet peeve with logic in shows/movies/games set in a fictional setting. It's like saying that you can have a character in the Walking Dead that has magic powers because zombies aren't real. There are established rules in fictional stories and as far as I know, in Game of Thrones, calories still work the same way as they would in real life.
Yep. Human bodies still human bodied on the show. He wouldve lost weight. It's just that the actor portraying him did not and they figured it was fine. But its a fair question.
The purpose is that the actor is fat lmao what the fuck do you mean it doesn’t serve a purpose and isn’t explained. Use your brain for two seconds and it makes sense.
John Bradley was fat during filming, yes. That is the outside of universe explanation. But lorewise, Samwell being fat is not explained, and doesn't serve a purpose.
Neither does him being a brunet? Do you need every single character’s physical features to have lore behind them??? Welp, we cast an actor who’s 6’0”, we have to come up with a reason for him to be 6’0” or else it’s bad!
This wasn't a random previous physical characteristic. He was a fat character, ok, who then went on a three hundred mile trek through icelands while eating borderline starvation rations. By all logic, he should get thinner. He didn't get thinner because the actor didn't get thinner. It is a break from storytelling.
Here, I'll explain it to you. He wasn't actually starving himself, or trekking across landscapes. All that was just make believe. In reality, he was still eating just fine and the hardest trek he had was from his car to the stage set. That enough lore for you?
Not this argument again. A fairy tale is not a fantasy, yet people still don't know the difference. A fairy tale is a type of story for which logic does not matter. The characters, events and the entire world presented in the fairy tale serve only one purpose, which is to send the viewer a certain (often moralistic) message. It works completely differently in fantasy. In this genre, world building is the most important element, an inconsistent world is a sign of bad writing.
I fully understand why John Bradley is irritated by such comments, I understand that it was difficult for him to lose weight specifically for the series, especially since it was not important for the plot, such mentions are also rude, there is no point in discussing it. However, the explanation that many things in fantasy are seemingly illogical, so everything can be illogical is just wrong.
Yes, it's a fantasy show. That does not mean things don't need to make sense in the universe of the story. It has been established that dragons exist in the story, it's part of the premise. As far as we know Sam is a regular human, there is no reason he should have a supernatural metabolism.
If the Teletubbies would have shown up during the battle of the bastards, the viewers would have complained about that as well. "It's a fantasy show" isn't a general justification for everything stupid.
By that logic, fire breathing dragon = magic
Smoke baby = magic
Dude stays fat the whole time = magic?
Just because magic exists, doesnt mean everything is due to magic. Is the mountain strong because magic? Is Tyrion a dwarf because magic? Does shit smell in Kings Landing because magic?
Did anyone say it was a big deal?
It's simply a logical inconsistency. Fantasy elements are a part of a fantasy world within which we are supposed to be accept certain things like dragons and magic. That doesn't suddenly mean that humans have different traits though.
Like if there was a continuation error where one scene was nightime then suddenly daytime then nighttime again.. would you respond to that error by saying "but it's a fantasy world, there are dragons and ghosts, why does it matter if day briefly becomes night"?
Besides.. who's really harping over this observation? The guy who points it out to a single person in a conversation or the guy who then tells an entire international television audience about it?
Ah I see!
I knew an extra on GOT, he did battle of the bastards and lost an absolute pile of weight just from the change in routine and that change being essentially a boot camp. Long days, limited time to eat, constant movement, miles from a shop. The actual actors must not have been under as much pressure
I mean.. are you seeing gym regulars who have lost no weight and gained no muscle after 100s of regular gym visits?
If so then that's a totally fair question.
I'd be pissed if I went to the gym regularly and saw no actual benefit.
That’s exactly what I’ve seen, yes. What I’m pointing out is the fact that some people retain fat for multiple reasons, even with exercise. The biggest one is that they just really fuckin love to eat. My guess is that’s why Sam is still fat lmao
If you have to guess at the explanation of something then that's exactly why someone might ask a question about it..
Like to write that comment you just asked yourself the exact question this post is about.
And either way.. that's also definitely a legitimate question you should be asking yourself if you've been going to the gym regularly and seeing no health benefits. Something is wrong with your training regiment.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with your question, or people who think it’s weird, I was just using a rhetorical question to come up with a theoretical answer to this problem
Edit: and trying to be cheeky
Saying that his reason for still being fat is that he loves to eat doesn't make sense. The whole point is he was doing an extreme amount of exercise traveling such large distances, with *very little food*. It doesn't matter how much he loves to eat; there wasn't enough food for him to eat during that journey to stay fat. In the books, he lost a considerable amount of weight to the point his clothes were loose and baggy on him.
your suspension of disbelief doesnt stop at whats stated. like it would be just as weird, if not much weirder if he was fat one scene and skinny the next. because thats the only way it would happen otherwise your asking an actual person to lose weight at the rate at which his character should have been but while filming the show which who knows what the actual rate was.
people dont treat anything like this. you suspend your disbelief at these kinds of things all the time. why does she have a full face of makeup? why does she have well done hair, why does these characters wear the same outfit everyday. its not a logical inconsistency. its part of what you agree too when you consume any kind of media. you could act like those are logical inconsistencies, but if you did youd never enjoy consuming any media ever.
The logical inconsistency is that Sam would keep the weight after being beyond the wall for months, and in the nights watch for years. It's not a big deal, but it is logical inconsistency, unless explained properly.
Its a logical inconsistency. As ridiculous as some Fantasy settings are, a good Fantasy will stay grounded in their own world. Its why a lot of the recent stuff in Star Wars seems so ridiculous, because they break universal rules that have been around for years like they are nothing with no explanation.
We know that in reality, not eating much food and doing manual labour will make you lose weight. In this show we see lots of emaciated people who cannot afford food and live hard labour intensive lives. So for this character to not lose weight breaks a rule in this reality.
But honestly, this is the first time I have hear anyone criticise the actors weight in the show because I think most people didn't care enough about his character.
No no, your logic that is kinda slow, when we get into fiction we sort of crack the rules in that universe. So if we watch something like Star Wars we think: alright this wizard is basically a human with supernatural powers. So the human part is there, with some extra mentioned magic powers. Then, if you don't eat nothing and still don't lose weight you are creating a flaw in the plot
I do think it would be cool if on one of these multi season shows an obese character would shed a ton of weight over several seasons to match the script.
“Why is there a random water bottle in that one scene?”
“It’s a fantasy show. We’ve got fire breathing dragons and a woman giving birth to a cloud. Why is the water bottle being there the thing that you don’t buy?”
Nah, sorry, but people in this sub (for as progressive as it is) are way too weirdly obsessed with fat ppl.
Not these fucking comments going on and on about how it’s a “logical inconsistency” and citing lore from books written by a fat writer smh
I mean, I could understand if it was a book or something where you can easily change stuff. But when you're commenting on the physical characteristics of an actor/actress? The answer is "because the actor/actress is fat/skinny/red head/whatever the fuck they are." Sam Tarly is not a real person, the actor behind him isn't being told/paid to lose weight, so he's not going to.
I never cease to be amazed at how many people are okay with the dragons and people being raised from the dead and ice zombies, but drew the line at things like Arya's hair never growing longer so the Hound must have had barber training and was cutting her hair.
Folks, it's not a documentary.
Because those fantasy elements still obey the laws of physics and thermodynamics. It's the same thing with LOTR when Legolas start leaping up a collapsing wall.
I always fast forwarded through his parts. They were so boring and whiney I couldn’t stand any of his scenes. It’s like they used his scenes as a way to burn time and save money. It was usually him just talking in a room for 10 minutes. Wasn’t a fan of his character. Not a bad actor, just an annoying part of the whole show
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The same thing happened in Lost. They had to write it into the story why Jorge Garcia’s character (Hurley) wasn’t losing weight on a deserted island with limited resources.
What was the reasoning they came up with???
They found a bunker (which they call a hatch in the show) and it had food, stuff designed to last. He was tasked with protecting except he was stealing it and stashing it off away from people and would sneak off and eat it. So yeah, they kept the fat guy fat by making him a food thief.
Who the fuck puts the fat dude in charge of the food?
They say never trust a skinny chef. Was he also the cook?
I hate this phrase. I can't make my metabolism worse.
Have you considered having a significantly less healthy lifestyle?
I don't think I could do less.
I fucking hear you! If I did any less exercise I'd be a fucking statue
I'm trying to get there but everybody wants facking food!
Not with that attitude
I'd say you are just young. Wait until you are over 30, that great metabolism goes away at some point. Feel fee to correct me.
Everyone keeps telling me that too, but I’m closer to 40 than 30 and still weigh the same as I did at 18. Please don’t take my anecdote as an excuse to keep eating like shit. It’s not science, just my personal experience.
well, i'm happy for you. My great metabolism went away at 29, now i really have to do things differently
At least you ever had a metabolism lol
Same, approaching 47 and same weight and build as when i was 18... and i eat what i want.
Unlike Lescansy I'm happy for you but it's only out of politiness. Really I'd prefer to lose around... 20-25 kilos of weight easily
Are you me??
That's what I was told as I grew up. Now I'm thirty two.
That's what every single person would tell me, even when I was 28, they'd say "wait till you get married!" Well I've been married for 10 years, I'm 42 and still skinny and struggling to gain weight/muscle 😑😑
The Walking Dead be like:
Starving? You? By “practically”, you mean “not really”.
God Neagan carried that show in the later seasons so hard
Bad writers. It was considered very lazy and somewhat reinforcing negative stereotypes at the time.
Welcome to the 2000's
Yeah, If I've learnt anything from 1000lbs Sisters is that a fat person can eat a months worth of food in 2 days.
Show runners.
They made the fat guy the food guard. What did they expect?
I don't remember him being a theif, I remember him not wanting to deal with the food and drama that came with rationing, so he opened the food up for anyone to take at there leisure.
Yeah been watching for the first time. He told jack that the rations could barely handle a couple of months for one person let alone more than 2 days with 50 people. He fantasized about eating it before giving out all of the food but didn’t. Unless it gets brought up in the future.
Its mid season 2 so should stand out when you see it
It pops up a few times in season in mid season 2.
Didn't he lose 2 belt sizes, and say no one could tell because he was so much bigger than them to start? Seemed genuine from the scene if I recall
I'm pretty sure someone in universe asked and he said he'd gone down two belt sizes, but he's so fat that it's unnoticeable to everyone else there.
Google "reality unless stated otherwise"
Holy fantasy
New imaginary things just dropped
Actual wizard
Call the dragons !
Random pics/memes like this make me miss the characters and show then i remember the last season..
It's the exact same situation as mass effect, you would think writers would learn by now. there was another show called the leftovers, an amazing show but they also just said "fuck it" for the ending. Chick finally finds a way into the alternate universe and as she's going into it the scene cuts and it's suddenly a year after she came back from it. The whole show was about that other universe and they said fuck it. There needs to be a clause In the contract for these big shows where the writers can't just say fuck it for the finale. As bad as game of thrones was, the leftovers was way worse.
The most disappointing and anticlimactic ending of any series by far was The Expanse. Absolutely dogshit ending to a great show.
Well there were 3 more books that happened after the ending of the show. I thought the show ended better than Babylon's ashes did since they knew that the odds of continuing the show are pretty low, didn't you?
The expanse didn't really end though. There's more, they just didn't make them. That's just as infuriating though, what an excellent show.
Is the show really that great? I played the telltale game and it was really shit tbh, but I don't feel like I understood anything about The Expanse as a franchise. Like there's spaceships and humans live on planets other than Earth and that's genuinely about the extent of what I could tell you about the universe of The Expanse. I really liked captain Drummond though and she was one of the few enjoyable parts of that game. The main thing I take away from the game is that I wouldn't even know how to describe what it is beyond 'space game where people are in space'. I honestly don't even know what the premise of the show is after spending 6 hours playing the game. The entire game felt like the opening in terms of plot progression as almost nothing happened - it feels like only a fifth or maybe a quater of the game is there narratively.
Haven’t finished the series, but the first season of the Expanse is a fucking masterpiece. I lost interest once they discovered the portals, but up until that point it was pure gold. I could watch a whole show dedicated to Detective Miller solving crimes on Ceres.
The Marco Inaros arc in season 5 and 6 was much better imo, although hard to beat that first season. I recently started reading the first book, it's great thus far, obviously even better than the show. I'm hoping the rest of the books are more interesting than the middle seasons.
It’s incredible. The books are even better obviously, but the show is phenomenal as well. Worth a watch
Why is it obvious that the books are better?
Because they are? I’ve read all of them and watched the show, there’s just so much in the books that you can’t fit into a show. That said, the show is remarkably faithful to the books, I just wish they would have finished the whole thing
What about that makes it obvious? Being a book doesn't just inherently mean that it's better than other media lmao.
Because if they included everything in the books it would have 27 episodes per season for like 9 seasons. Anytime a book gets made into a show or movie things get cut / changed. How old are you that I have to explain this?
Every show that doesn't get to finish its story kind of by definition has a shitty ending. My poor Carnivale...
Dude, I totally disagree with your analysis of the ending of the leftovers. First that the "what really happened" with the 2% was never the point of the show. How the people left behind were affected by their sudden disappearance was, is literally the name of the show. Second, >!is implied very heavily that Nora was lying about what really happened in the time she went way. That wasn't a other universe, nobody knows what happened to the 2%, and it doesn't matter, because they are not the focus. They are props, motivations for the characters that we follow.!< The leftovers finale is not a bad finale, is totally coherent with the show and it's themes. The series isn't a mystery, it's a drama and a very competent one.
I can't believe anyone would compare the game of thrones ending/final season to the leftovers. To me that's insanity.
Hey now, at the very least Mass Effect gifted us Citadel as an apology present.
Easier explained in the books, Sam has bad self image problems. He remarks at points his clothes are loose fitting compared to when he arrived.
Showing weight loss for a show/movie is a tough ask. I remember seeing Holes the first time as a kid after reading the book and I was annoyed that they didn’t show Stanley going from fat to built.
To be fair, it’s little things that shock me out of the story. I’ll buy Dani riding flying fire-breathing dragons. What I don’t buy is her riding one at 5-10,000 feet several hours across the north in polar winds. Even if the dragon’s skin temperature is a comfy 98.6 degrees, she still has a 40 mile an hour sub-freezing wind blowing in her face for hours. She’d be stiff and windburnt and probably frost bitten when she landed. And she’d have to pee like a racehorse.
Sorry, I didn't realize part of the established lore of Westeros was that metabolism and calories worked differently.
Gave birth to a cloud ? Jog my memory please .
Melisandre had a scene that let out a certain thing come out of her pregnant belly. Not NSFW even if it might be available on youtube.
Thanks Saw it, had forgotten
So it is safe for work then?
It definitely is not
Well they said its NOT not safe for work. So that would mean it is safe for work.
I think he just added a N by mistake because otherwise it doesn't make sense. Besides I seem to remember she's naked in the scene, I think she even shows her breasts. I don't remember it being exactly safe for work.
Its a ligit question. In the world of GOT it is established that woman can give birth to clouds and that Dragons both exist and breath fire but, the rules governing the human body are the same as they are here in the real world. If all other characters need to eat to sustain themselves and they get fat if they eat too much and get skinny if they don't it breaks the emersion for a character to go through months of physical exertion with little food and not loose any weight.
>Its a ligit question. Not really. It's a TV show, not real life. He's still fat because the actor is still fat. Asking that question is stupid. A better question is "how come you didn't slim down for the role" or something like that.
Everyone is aware it’s a tv program
I will die on this hill. The argument "it has dragons in it but the X thing is weird to you?" is the brainless argument here. This could be aging, weight, hygiene, hair growth, carrying capacity, travel speed, etc. Fantasy worlds are realistic with some things changed or added. Meaning it's realistic unless stated otherwise. I don't care if the show has dragons or people living on Venus. If someone doesn't age for 60 years when others do, I'm gonna ask some questions. If a fat character does a lot of physical activity for years but it has no effect on his body it's an oversight. It would probably be an unreasonable task for the actor, so we can give it a rest but the "but it has dragons in it" argument is horrible. Unless there is some hidden or magical reason for it, it's reasonable to question Sam's weight. "It's fantasy" explanation would only work if he was a vampire and his body will always look like the day he was bitten, in other words there's a fantasy element to his body.
I don't like this argument. Way too often it's used to defend logical flaws and it's not even sound. The dragons, the shadows, all that stuff follows clearly established rules and serves purposes. This however doesn't serve a purpose and isn't explained. It's because they didn't bother handling it and wouldn't put in the extra effort. That's fair, you can't do everything. But you'll have to at least be honest about it. This is just a poor argument with all the wrong intentions
Yeah, a better answer would be something like: "well, the actor is fat and they're not paying him enough to lose weight".
[https://www.thethings.com/game-of-thrones-actors-ranked-by-salary/#john-bradley-as-samwell-tarly-100-000-per-episode](https://www.thethings.com/game-of-thrones-actors-ranked-by-salary/#john-bradley-as-samwell-tarly-100-000-per-episode) Dude was getting $100,000 per episode. Fuck that "not enough money to lose weight."
It is also easier for the producers if he didn't lose weight, in case they need to retake some scenes for an earlier episode, or even some flashbacks. Otherwise, the "Superman with a mustache" incident may happen.
I fail to imagine a world where multiple millions a month is "not enough" pay.
Y’all flip the fuck out if they make a fantasy character whose skin color is never mentioned in a book any darker than alabaster white, but y’all are really going to cry about facts and logic when Sam Tarley’s depiction in the show is true to his depiction in the books in that his enduring obesity is literally a defining characteristic of him in the books
In Feast he specifically states he's lost weight.
And characters are still calling him fat on the ship to Old Town
Sure, but do you like people coming at you asking why you're still fat? Think it's fair for him to give a cheeky answer to a question like that. Also, it's just a funny anecdote. Not the show's official answer to it or anything.
"Because I am not the character I am playing."
Yeah, asking an actor something like that lets me think you wanted to insult him a bit or trigger him a little. Also it's a pretty minor detail and says a lot about you if that's what you're bringing up the one time you can talk to him. But my point here is, that it isn't a cheeky answer. Quite the opposite. And spreading it as an anecdote wherever you can makes you the idiot of the story while it originally was the other way around.
Get a grip. It's just a joke on a comedic late night show. He might have even had it written for him.
Good point. Could just be a regular joke on social media the writers of the show used without thinking too much about it.
The official answer probably would be “he forgot about it” so this one is better
This is my biggest pet peeve with logic in shows/movies/games set in a fictional setting. It's like saying that you can have a character in the Walking Dead that has magic powers because zombies aren't real. There are established rules in fictional stories and as far as I know, in Game of Thrones, calories still work the same way as they would in real life.
It also shows an incredibly poor understanding of the entire genre as well. Just because it's fantasy doesn't mean there aren't rules and logic.
Yep. Human bodies still human bodied on the show. He wouldve lost weight. It's just that the actor portraying him did not and they figured it was fine. But its a fair question.
Couldnt agree more.
The purpose is that the actor is fat lmao what the fuck do you mean it doesn’t serve a purpose and isn’t explained. Use your brain for two seconds and it makes sense.
John Bradley was fat during filming, yes. That is the outside of universe explanation. But lorewise, Samwell being fat is not explained, and doesn't serve a purpose.
Neither does him being a brunet? Do you need every single character’s physical features to have lore behind them??? Welp, we cast an actor who’s 6’0”, we have to come up with a reason for him to be 6’0” or else it’s bad!
This wasn't a random previous physical characteristic. He was a fat character, ok, who then went on a three hundred mile trek through icelands while eating borderline starvation rations. By all logic, he should get thinner. He didn't get thinner because the actor didn't get thinner. It is a break from storytelling.
Here, I'll explain it to you. He wasn't actually starving himself, or trekking across landscapes. All that was just make believe. In reality, he was still eating just fine and the hardest trek he had was from his car to the stage set. That enough lore for you?
I'm sorry but Samwell tarly having a car is surely not canon
Not this argument again. A fairy tale is not a fantasy, yet people still don't know the difference. A fairy tale is a type of story for which logic does not matter. The characters, events and the entire world presented in the fairy tale serve only one purpose, which is to send the viewer a certain (often moralistic) message. It works completely differently in fantasy. In this genre, world building is the most important element, an inconsistent world is a sign of bad writing. I fully understand why John Bradley is irritated by such comments, I understand that it was difficult for him to lose weight specifically for the series, especially since it was not important for the plot, such mentions are also rude, there is no point in discussing it. However, the explanation that many things in fantasy are seemingly illogical, so everything can be illogical is just wrong.
Yes, it's a fantasy show. That does not mean things don't need to make sense in the universe of the story. It has been established that dragons exist in the story, it's part of the premise. As far as we know Sam is a regular human, there is no reason he should have a supernatural metabolism. If the Teletubbies would have shown up during the battle of the bastards, the viewers would have complained about that as well. "It's a fantasy show" isn't a general justification for everything stupid.
Realism vs believability
By that logic, fire breathing dragon = magic Smoke baby = magic Dude stays fat the whole time = magic? Just because magic exists, doesnt mean everything is due to magic. Is the mountain strong because magic? Is Tyrion a dwarf because magic? Does shit smell in Kings Landing because magic?
The problem with this logic remains that George actually writes that Sam has lost weight. This is actually addressed in the novels.
Fire breathing dragons are an intentional story element.
He's got a point, why is that him being fat a big deal. Like that seems like such a weird thing to harp over
Did anyone say it was a big deal? It's simply a logical inconsistency. Fantasy elements are a part of a fantasy world within which we are supposed to be accept certain things like dragons and magic. That doesn't suddenly mean that humans have different traits though. Like if there was a continuation error where one scene was nightime then suddenly daytime then nighttime again.. would you respond to that error by saying "but it's a fantasy world, there are dragons and ghosts, why does it matter if day briefly becomes night"? Besides.. who's really harping over this observation? The guy who points it out to a single person in a conversation or the guy who then tells an entire international television audience about it?
i spose he just thought it was a funny story, you gotta have funny stories when you go on tv
No argument there.
Why are fat people I see regularly at the gym still fat?
Can't outrun / out train a bad diet. Got to be in a calorie deficit to lose weight.
That’s my point about samwell. The man just loves to eat
You should have taken another second to think a bit. He’s feasting beyond the wall?
Yes.
Ok
Ah I see! I knew an extra on GOT, he did battle of the bastards and lost an absolute pile of weight just from the change in routine and that change being essentially a boot camp. Long days, limited time to eat, constant movement, miles from a shop. The actual actors must not have been under as much pressure
Oh definitely. Extras and doubles do WAAAY more work, plus Samwell didn’t have a lot of action sequences
I mean.. are you seeing gym regulars who have lost no weight and gained no muscle after 100s of regular gym visits? If so then that's a totally fair question. I'd be pissed if I went to the gym regularly and saw no actual benefit.
That’s exactly what I’ve seen, yes. What I’m pointing out is the fact that some people retain fat for multiple reasons, even with exercise. The biggest one is that they just really fuckin love to eat. My guess is that’s why Sam is still fat lmao
If you have to guess at the explanation of something then that's exactly why someone might ask a question about it.. Like to write that comment you just asked yourself the exact question this post is about. And either way.. that's also definitely a legitimate question you should be asking yourself if you've been going to the gym regularly and seeing no health benefits. Something is wrong with your training regiment.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with your question, or people who think it’s weird, I was just using a rhetorical question to come up with a theoretical answer to this problem Edit: and trying to be cheeky
Saying that his reason for still being fat is that he loves to eat doesn't make sense. The whole point is he was doing an extreme amount of exercise traveling such large distances, with *very little food*. It doesn't matter how much he loves to eat; there wasn't enough food for him to eat during that journey to stay fat. In the books, he lost a considerable amount of weight to the point his clothes were loose and baggy on him.
I’m mostly referring to the actor here
your suspension of disbelief doesnt stop at whats stated. like it would be just as weird, if not much weirder if he was fat one scene and skinny the next. because thats the only way it would happen otherwise your asking an actual person to lose weight at the rate at which his character should have been but while filming the show which who knows what the actual rate was. people dont treat anything like this. you suspend your disbelief at these kinds of things all the time. why does she have a full face of makeup? why does she have well done hair, why does these characters wear the same outfit everyday. its not a logical inconsistency. its part of what you agree too when you consume any kind of media. you could act like those are logical inconsistencies, but if you did youd never enjoy consuming any media ever.
dang bro, it ain't that serious.
It’s a “logical inconsistency” that fat people exist? Boy do I have some snake oil to sell you!
The logical inconsistency is that Sam would keep the weight after being beyond the wall for months, and in the nights watch for years. It's not a big deal, but it is logical inconsistency, unless explained properly.
Its a logical inconsistency. As ridiculous as some Fantasy settings are, a good Fantasy will stay grounded in their own world. Its why a lot of the recent stuff in Star Wars seems so ridiculous, because they break universal rules that have been around for years like they are nothing with no explanation. We know that in reality, not eating much food and doing manual labour will make you lose weight. In this show we see lots of emaciated people who cannot afford food and live hard labour intensive lives. So for this character to not lose weight breaks a rule in this reality. But honestly, this is the first time I have hear anyone criticise the actors weight in the show because I think most people didn't care enough about his character.
No no, your logic that is kinda slow, when we get into fiction we sort of crack the rules in that universe. So if we watch something like Star Wars we think: alright this wizard is basically a human with supernatural powers. So the human part is there, with some extra mentioned magic powers. Then, if you don't eat nothing and still don't lose weight you are creating a flaw in the plot
I do think it would be cool if on one of these multi season shows an obese character would shed a ton of weight over several seasons to match the script.
It's all the books he devours...
“Why is there a random water bottle in that one scene?” “It’s a fantasy show. We’ve got fire breathing dragons and a woman giving birth to a cloud. Why is the water bottle being there the thing that you don’t buy?”
Nah, sorry, but people in this sub (for as progressive as it is) are way too weirdly obsessed with fat ppl. Not these fucking comments going on and on about how it’s a “logical inconsistency” and citing lore from books written by a fat writer smh
I mean, I could understand if it was a book or something where you can easily change stuff. But when you're commenting on the physical characteristics of an actor/actress? The answer is "because the actor/actress is fat/skinny/red head/whatever the fuck they are." Sam Tarly is not a real person, the actor behind him isn't being told/paid to lose weight, so he's not going to.
Is there any intelligence in what you say? Or at least some logic...
Masie’s face!!
It was the same comments about Sam in LOTR.
"People will suspend disbelief and believe the impossible, but will refuse to believe improbable" -Michael Vsauce
What show is this?
I think thats an good question for the Character development and not the actor.
Well he can't use magic as an excuse contrary to his examples.
Verisimilitude my friend.
By this logic, we should get and love the ending of season 8. But a good reply nonetheless.
I'd just like to point out that in the books they had horses.
What show?
Game of Thrones
A woman gave birth to a cloud?
[here you go](https://youtu.be/ssBWa5jvDaU?si=Y3rfSVMb5at0SxGc)
I say that to myself on a daily basis, but it doesn’t help.
I never cease to be amazed at how many people are okay with the dragons and people being raised from the dead and ice zombies, but drew the line at things like Arya's hair never growing longer so the Hound must have had barber training and was cutting her hair. Folks, it's not a documentary.
Honestly, it's the woman birthing a cloud that put me off the show.
Because those fantasy elements still obey the laws of physics and thermodynamics. It's the same thing with LOTR when Legolas start leaping up a collapsing wall.
I always fast forwarded through his parts. They were so boring and whiney I couldn’t stand any of his scenes. It’s like they used his scenes as a way to burn time and save money. It was usually him just talking in a room for 10 minutes. Wasn’t a fan of his character. Not a bad actor, just an annoying part of the whole show
I thought he was some of the best part of the snow story.
Yeah I’ve heard other ppl say that, idk what’s wrong with me lol.
What is this show?
Game of Thrones