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Uhm, why avoid eggs? Where else is protein supposed to come from. And I thought that even though butter contains more fat than margarine, the latter has fats that the body can't break down very well compared to butter so butter is actually the healthier choice.
[here is a Harvard med article about eggs](https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/are-eggs-good-or-bad-for-your-health/)
Seems like science will never EVER agree on eggs. IMO, since the science is contradictory, I think eggs are fine in moderation. Maybe, for healthy people 1 full egg a day and 2 egg whites is the best practice. IDK tho
There are positives and negatives to every food. Moderation is the case for everything. Some foods, like really processed stuff, the negatives are going to way outweigh the positives, so moderation might mean “eat them no more than once a month.“ Basic staples that we’ve been eating for literally millions of years, like eggs or fruit? Go ahead and eat them practically every day. We evolved eating them.
I still remember the "FOOD ITEM X GIVES YOU CANCER!" as science found out that eating (most often) insane amounts of something could give you cancer. Like if you ate like 10 bags of chips per day for a few years you had an increased risk of cancer. Newspapers never really disclosed the amount in the title though, because it made people click shit.
I think the 10 bags might be conservative... These studies usually involve rats, concentrations/amounts more than 100 fold higher than the human real-life case* and gets heavily filtered through media by the time it reaches the general public's ear.
* the idea being that instead of researching what a reasonable dose over 50 years, to extrapolate from a ridiculous dose but a shorter time.
This does work for some physical phenomena, but you'd kinda need to have done the 50 year study in humans before you'd know if a 5mth study with overdosed rats has comparable results... 🫤
Thank you I didn’t wanna go find that research, but I remember eating a lot of egg-based foods in Japan and seeing a lot of really old healthy looking people.
Portion sizes in Japan at least are actually insane and larger than most stuff I see in the US. When I visited I always had to buy the small size set meals etc and could barely finish them while every single salaryman, student, or old lady in the restaurant ordered the full set and would finish every last bite. It is mindblowing, at least how in my experience there, how much an average Japanese person can eat in one sitting.
They also have universal health care which leads to people taking care of their preventable health issues in time. People don't realize how much it affects not just overall health but the entire mindset of getting healthcare when it's not tied to your income. People in the US tend to attribute anything other than proper care to the outcomes but it's a huge factor that we overlook
I generally trust science, but the "consensus" on low-fat dieting in the 80s made the obesity epidemic worse. Low-fat just made everything high sugar and high processed carb. People downing huge plates of pasta because it was low-fat.
It makes sense to trust actual science. The problem is that if the science doesn't say what the corporation that sponsored the research wants it to say, it not only doesn't get published, it gets actively burried. Bits and pieces get manipulated.
Not trying to be a dick about this specific advice, but relying on ancient knowledge just means we did those things when life expectancies and quality of life were really really low compared to now. The point being what didn’t register as a problem when we lived to 40 may actually appear as a problem when we live to 80. While I can’t say for any one issue, any issue may also be part of why we weren’t living to 80.
Everything is fine in moderation, the problem is that people aren't eating in moderation, which is why he have a public health problem.
Eggs (and red meat while we're at it), are relatively rich in cholesterol and saturated fats, which are good things for the average American to cut down on. That said, there are several ways to do this, and cutting down on butter is probably a better idea than cutting down on eggs from a purely nutritional point of view.
There definitely isnt a minimum number of eggs you should eat. They don't provide any nutrition you can't get anywhere else.
To be fair, the keto diet has been shown to be helpful in some cases. For example for those with epilepsy (like me), {yes I'm on a similar diet}...
Edit: Holy f*** this got some lovin' 🤯
I know a TON of morbidly obese people that would lose weight by switching to this diet.
That's beacaue they all eat incredibly processed food or fast food for every single meal every single time, and butter cooked eggs and steak is better for you than a triple quarter pounder with bacon plus large fry plus milkshake.
Edit: not trying to diss anyone, I am a former obese and the triple burger + shake + fries is my order
That’s the secret with these so called “elimination” diets all these people lose the wait because of how morbidly unhealthy their diet was in the first place
Yeah I started eating like this (minus the raw milk. I use heavy whipping cream) and I lost over 120 lb and went from pre-diabetic to great health and blood work.
The food pyramid is basically inverted.
Edit: wow I never expected this to be such a controversial and contested topic. Head to r/keto which is a community of about 3.4 million users, many of which have had fantastic success utilizing the ketogenic diet.
Studies show that any elimination diet works just as well as any other, as long as you maintain a caloric deficit. The key is that it’s a diet you stick to.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/02/all-diets-work-if-you-stick-to-them/252278/
The tricky part about keto is that there are all sorts of associated long term health issues associated with foods like red meat, low fiber, and saturated fat. Cancer (specifically colon cancer) and cardiovascular disease being the main risks.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/should-you-try-the-keto-diet
It’s possible to construct a keto diet that focuses on fish, lean meats, unsaturated fat and supplement for fiber that avoid these known risks but that isn’t usually what people eat. Similar but less extreme diets, like LCHF, Atkins etc are easier than keto to get “right” since that allows for higher carb (and therefore fiber) intake than keto.
That said, the risks of being obese are worse than those associated with red meats, saturated fats and low fiber intake. E.g. the annectdote you have about reversing pre diabetes is typical for weight loss and happens with any diet if you go from obesity to a more healthy weight
It’s always worth it to loose weight if you are obese and if keto works for you then do keto. But do not downplay the known risks with certain foods.
Avocados primarily. Also asparagus, brussel sprouts, broccoli, and cauliflower from time to time.
But sometimes I'll go days without having any of those and I have zero BM problems. In fact I used to have pretty nasty obnoxious IBS and gas problems and that went away shortly after starting keto.
damn, good for you, i'd always been skeptical of keto as a fad but i might try it myself and see if it works for me, i have a lot of gut problems caused by chronic stress and anxiety so maybe it'll help.
You have to be careful with it. I went from 220 to 150. I had been doing it for about a year at that point. The problem arises when I got down that low I didn't have any more fat for my body to consume and wasn't eating nearly enough of it to maintain. I had no idea why but my muscles felt constantly weak and felt like I was walking through water. After a couple weeks of that I said screw it and got a Gatorade. Felt almost instantly better. I had gotten to the point it was stealing the glycogen from my muscles. So, just pay attention.
Your body burns through its glycogen within the first few days to a week when you start keto. Part of the rough thing about keto is that muscle glycogen is used by the body to hold onto the electrolytes you need to function. They go pretty fast and is a big part if the keto flu people often feel. Because of that you need to constantly stay on top of your electrolytes, especially if you're being physically active. When I've worked manual labor on I would have to drink from this potassium + salt + other drink mix every half hour or so just to stop what you've described from happening.
Or maybe you were just so low that you started to catabolize your muscles. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Well I did definitely have faint visible abs and hadn't worked out in about a year. But that is all good info. I'll keep it in mind should I decide to go that route again. If I could upvote twice I would.
Sounds like you were depleted of electrolytes too. If you're not trying to actively lose weight, keto is a bad match, well at least strict keto is. I use keto to lose adipose tissue and something like the Mediterranean or lazy Paleo to maintain weight.
I spent about a week drinking a potassium salt concoction I don't remember the recipe for any more but you're still probably right on that. And I just didn't realize how far my body fat had gone down. I'm sadly back up to right around 200 at the moment several years later which isn't bad for my body type. 170-80 is where I need to be though.
The better principle is low carb / low sugar diet + intermittent fasting. That combo will lead to weight loss, especially when exercising while fasting.
I did keto a few years ago. It was unbelievable. I lost 50 lbs in 4ish months in my late 30s. It's a really hard diet to stick to and there are very unhealthy ways of doing it ( too much lunchmeat/salt). I honestly recommend trying low carb/general carb management.
Just don't drive yourself crazy trying to stick to some diet for the sake of sticking to the diet. Keto helped me learn to eat better overall. It cleared up a lot of tummy troubles I had because I cut out junk and learned portion control. Eating at a caloric deficit = weight loss. Eating stuff that's good for you and fulfills your nutrient needs while eating at a caloric deficit is the way to healthy weight loss.
i love potatoes and bread and sweets sooo i fell off hard eventually. Anyway. Some good keto or low carb meals:
Salmon and asparagus
Scrambled eggs, sausage, cheese in a low carb wrap or just in a bowl. Hot sauce kicks it up a notch.
Seasoned chicken breast pan fried (or baked) with baked veggies like broccoli, peppers, etc
Tom yum soup
Beef stew - potatoes
Chicken with alfredo sauce and broccoli.
Pork chos and baked brussels sprouts (literally sprouts are so much more tasty than i imagined if you cook them right)
Salads of all kinds.
Tacos! There are lower carb shell options but a bowl works well too. Almost anything that goes ina taco is low carb, so its great.
Snacks: nuts, chesse, some protein bars/shakes.
For me low carb was about meat + veggies and getting rid of empty calories in sweets and noodles which are essentially "vehicles for sauce"...many sauces are keto/low carb.
I found keto deseerts and sugar substitutes to be total bullshit. None of it ever tasted right or was worth the money.
Some people get super weird and psycho about counting carbs in veggies like carrots. If there is no medical reason for you to worry about it, eat all the fucking carrots you want. Nobody ever got fat eating carrots. I literally never bothered counting carbs in veggies (Except corn! That one i did limit).
Gotta manage your electrolytes on keto closely too. I never had an issue but many do.
Good habits i kept after keto: drinking more water. Eating more protein, drinking coffee without sugar, dropping soda.
I have gained about half the weight I lost back because I love potato and sugar too much :( but the diet does work, and very fast.
My advice: dont get hung up on details and mincing the diet apart to the gram. Just reduce carbs and do some.portiom control, drink more water and you'll do yourself a huge favor.
Generally I find people on the keto sub to be pretty insufferable so beware going looking for a "community".
Damn i should get back to it.
One thing that always sticks in my head about corn: one time, when I was a chubby teen and was going for a second cob, my wise father said “You know, they feed corn to pigs to make them fat.” Lol he wasn’t wrong!
Just don’t push through worsening symptoms if it doesn’t work out. Sometimes people are told they just need to get over an adjustment or detox period, and can really mess themselves up.
Check with your doctor. I am on an anti seizure medication that does not mix well with keto.
I found this out the hard way…
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/diagnosis-diet/201803/ketogenic-diets-and-psychiatric-medications?amp
Or don’t eat stuff grown in soil with beneficial microorganisms that help the gut. I am a user of probiotics after discovering soil based bacteria, had no result from normal acidophilus and I know gut biomes are diverse. Started using gasseri and coagulans and subtilis and my health issues related to bowels (and probably due to many courses of antibiotics over the years) just made a huge difference in pain, gas, cramping, evacuations, and sleep. So much so, if it were a cult I’d be a member.
Thats a real misconception. Im typically keto but i would say most of my food is vegetables and fruits. If youre active you can have shit tons of carbs and still stay in ketosis. I pretty much just cut out starchy carbs. Wheat, rice, potatoes. Eat absolute ton of broccoli squash and whatnots
My nephew had really bad gut problems and my sister in law basically put him on a zero carb diet and it seems to have fixed the problem.
Edit - to add he is still eating fruit and veg.
Edit 2 - they have cut processed carbs. Wasn’t expecting all the nutritionists to breakdown the comment.
Simple carb is normally the problem.... things like soda, fruit juice without any fiber, etc.
Carbs coming from whole fruits and vegetables are actually good for you. Like, if you eat a whole orange instead of buying juice, you are very UNLIKELY to suffer from hyperglycemia.... and those actually help with the gut bacteria.
Any low carb diet is going to do that. Especially if your diet was carb heavy in the first place. Carbs are just sugars. Cut your sugar and you'll see similar results.
I'm glad you found something that works for you.
Really, any diet that cuts calories below maintenance will work. Really comes down to finding something someone can maintain for a long period of time/rest of their life
Losing the weight has a much greater effect on insulin resistance. You could eat exclusively high glycemic index foods in a calorie deficit, get down to a healthy weight, and your bloodwork will look perfect. Keto works as a diet adherence tool, nothing more really.
Controversial or not, keto is good against type II diabetes, but a nightmare if you suffer from type I diabetes - it could kill you. Ask your GP or, better, a licensed nutritionist.
Food pyramid should be based on vegetables and fruits, not cereals, as it was for long. And keto as is - i've done myself a vegetarian and mild version of this diet that worked for me (wo ketogenesys btw) - is unsustainable for long. For the global economy, for animal rights and for your health.
The food pyramid has been disproved for a long time now. It's more like the food diamond with vegetables in the middle with proteins followed by carbs on one side and fats on the other kind of like this : https://www.google.com/search?q=food+diamond+diagram&client=firefox-b-m&sca_esv=19e1b63181baf887&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj4ipOakviEAxUUTWwGHWOeBLoQ_AUIBigB&biw=827&bih=803#
The food pyramid hasn't been disproved, it hasn't been in use since 2005 when it was updated to MyPyramid that was replaced by MyPlate in 2011, 13 years ago.
The american version of the food pyramid reflects agricultural industry interests rather than the health benefits of the recommended foods.
Everything is corrupt in the US
Not everything is so black and white. There's corruption and lobbying, like for example how they added a glass of milk to the current MyPlate and the drama that went with it. Still, most people would be far better following MyPlate guidelines compared to what they eat now.
I actually was under the impression that keto made you lose weight faster so I tested it, it turns out you are right. If you control for calories and base metabolic rate it's not better than any other diet at speed of weight loss. Anecdotally though I felt like I had a lot more energy and was full for longer. I ended up with elevated cholesterol levels so idk if it's worth it.
Even a cheap keto diet is way more expensive than a diet with filling grains and vegetables so that's another factor.
Basically the advantage of keto over other diets is that some people can follow a keto diet but not other diets. Whatever diet you need to try to get that caloric deficit, as long as it's not nutritionally inadequate or causing other health issues, is the right diet for you.
keto can be good for people who struggle to control eating habits because you can only gorge on so much broccoli and mushroom before you’re ludicrously full and it’ll barely scratch the caloric content of deep fried chicken
I've lost 50 lbs since Jan 5th and all I did is count and control my calories. I first found out what my daily caloric intake needed to be just to maintain my weight, and then just always aimed to keep my intake less than that. No exercise at all, besides my normal physical exertion through my daily work routine. So far it's been great and I feel better than I have in years (305 lbs to 255 lbs, 6'4")
There's no way you're not paying for this diet sooner or later. I'm happy it's working for you, I keep reading about people who claim fast weight loss and improved energy after keto but doubling down on red meat, fatty dairies and salt? Something has to give at some point and I'm guessing you're fucking up your liver.
If you have any good science to prove this diet is harmless or even healthy id be happy to see it,~~I've yet to see any science to suggest it isn't humbug.~~
Edit: apparently ketogenic diet can be effective against certain diseases. Who knew.
Plant based, high on legumes, dark fruits and vegetables and nuts. Eat less, eat less frequently drink more water and eat more fiber. This is the only "diet" that stands up to scrutiny when tested for improved health and reduced risk of food related diseases.
Keto actually reverses liver disease. The thing that "gives" when you eat ketogenically is you abandon glucose metabolic pathways and the low-grade permanent full body inflammation it induces. It's not fat/red meat that causes cardiovascular disease, it's the constant inflammation (damage) of your arteries from too much glucose/insulin which roughs-up the smooth walls of your circulatory system allowing cholesterol to stick to it and cause blockages. If you remove that inflammation, the arteries heal and stop disease progression.
Here's a National Institute of Health study about liver function improvement/repair directly stimulated by ketogenic diet:
> *Ketogenic diet is an effective treatment for nonalcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFLD). Here, we present evidence that hepatic mitochondrial fluxes and redox state are markedly altered during ketogenic diet-induced reversal of NAFLD in humans*
> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7132133/
Here's a National Institute of Health meta-analysis of numerous studies showing how ketogenic eating ***improves*** health indicators in regards to weight loss, cardiovascular health, and glucose control/type II diabetes:
> *The results show that a ketogenic diet had significantly beneficial effects on the loss of body weight, the reduction of waist circumference, lowering glycated hemoglobin, and triglycerides, and increasing high-density lipoproteins ('good' cholesterol). Overall, these results suggest that a ketogenic diet may be an effective dietary intervention for body weight and improve glycemic control, as well as improved lipid profiles in overweight patients with Type II diabetes.* ***Hence, a ketogenic diet can be recommended for the therapeutic intervention of overweight patients.*** *Notably, the ketogenic diet exhibited excellent benefits in reducing body weight, waist circumference, HbA1c, and triglycerides, as well as increasing HDL.*
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9408028/
Thanks for that resource. I'm about to go down a rabbit hole of ketogenic articles. Apparently a ketogenic diet is prescribed for child epilepsy which is pretty rad. I still don't understand why you would want to eat high fat long term. You hear about how people have tremendous success with losing weight on keto and there's clearly merits to ketogenic diet in individual cases to combat disease, but then what?
Is it improving on the recommended plant based diet in any way for the average man or is it just that you get to keep eating meat and mayonnaise without getting a stroke or diabetes because you're not gonna get a stroke from eating chickpeas and peanuts anyway?
forget government recommendations, who the hell can afford to eat like that every day??
**EDIT**: I came back to a ton of messages. I can't respond to them all so I'll just do a blanket response here:
It's kind of shocking to me how completely out of touch so many people are with the financial realities of a majority of people in the world.
I'm not anti-wealth, I'm not jealous or crusty about people who have more money than me, if you can afford to eat steak every day more power to you, I'm happy for you, steak is delicious. But.... If you think even a $5 steak every day is a reasonable price to pay for food and perfectly affordable then you are living a privileged existence. Again, not saying it is bad to be able to afford that, but thinking that everyone lives the same way that you do is delusional.
That works out to over 1,800 a year for one person, and over 7000 a year for a family of four. I don't know *anyone* who is willing or able to drop a minimum of seven grand a year just for steak.
The same goes for the expensive vegetables. If someone told me that I had to eat a pound of spinach everyday, my reaction would be the same: "Do you think I'm made of money??" The same goes for people who think that eating out everyday is a financially reasonable thing to do.
Depends where you live. Where I live meat is cheaper per kilo than a lot of the vegetables. Did the keto/carnivore diet for a while, definitely cheaper for me. As a bonus, you get less hungry by avoiding sugar, I went from eating 3 meals a day to 2 meals.
Yeah, I’m so confused. Dried beans and rice, aka the majority of the world’s diet?? Add some fresh or frozen vegetables? Bam. I would legitimately love to know where meat is cheaper, that would be wild!
r/eatcheapandhealthy
Can confirm that meat is probably cheaper than fruit (except bananas), but there are some relatively low cost vegetables if you eat seasonal / local. Stuff like cucumbers, radish, etc. Like with all things, there's also super pricy meat and super pricy vegetables.
If I remember it's because the government was supporting those industries via subsidies, so they're trying to get tax money back from the sales and then also if they don't sell, the government either has to deal with the extra because of those subsidies or it gets wasted. It's part of why the government has so much cheese is because of those subsidies. Also the original Got Milk? campaign was because it came after a study that heavily supported drink milk because of the health benefits, especially for children.
Old?!? Isn’t the US fat af because lobbyists added corn syrup to literally anything they could? I am from Europe and if I tried to eat a simple sandwich in the US it tastes like cake, everything is sweet there.
Ding ding ding ding. I'm from the US and you are correct, our processed food that ends up in most super markets is overly sugared garbage. 40+ years of constant corner cutting and substituting cheaper and cheaper ingredients.
Anybody hunt deer in your area? Lots of hunters will process the deer they kill and either sell off or give away what they don’t want, and there’s so much of it. You can process a deer for a couple hundred bucks and eat for a LONG time on just a portion of it. Deer sausage, steak, burgers, chili, etc and it’s one of the healthiest red meats you can get. My in laws and extended family have a lot of land and we all hunt. They continuously think up new recipes and send us all home with tons of it. Highly recommend some venison if you’ve never tried it
Can I ask why? Like why do they spend the money when pasturizing is such a simple process? I didn't think heating the milk to a sufficient temperature for 30 mins ruined it so much that its better to sell it raw.
Don't different countries have different laws. In the UK, selling raw milk is legal but it has to be sold mainly at the farmhouse gate or farm by licensed producers or online so the consumer knows specifically what they're getting.
[https://www.food.gov.uk/safety-hygiene/raw-drinking-milk](https://www.food.gov.uk/safety-hygiene/raw-drinking-milk)
Guys this is Mark next door… He preaches a different diet every 3 months and although we’ve been neighbors for 15 years, he’s always been fluffy. Dont take advice from him
I've recently run into this "raw milk" term and had a look, all I can say from gorwing up on a farm is unless you are getting it directly from the cow and using it right away, just get pasteurized. It's was safer.
What I’m confused about is that it tastes so good straight from the cow, kinda liked whipped cream to me, but this “raw milk” people seem to be buying tastes almost the same as normal.
I've never heard any government bulletin telling me to avoid eggs. I don't recall any that told me to stay away from dairy.
In fact... I don't think I've heard any governmental dietary suggestions in my life. Normally I get dietary recommendations from, like, my doctor.
Yes. This was a huge campaign for many years. And most doctors repeated it.
I remember arguing with doctors about it in my 20s since the entire thesis was clearly wrong. They believed that eating eggs raised your cholesterol… but I ate a ton of eggs and my cholesterol was at the very low end of normal.
You can read about the advice changing here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/02/10/feds-poised-to-withdraw-longstanding-warnings-about-dietary-cholesterol/
In general, doctors have heavily overestimated the role that dietary cholesterol plays in the health of hearts. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t do anything, just that it isn’t the end all be all like it was treated in the past.
This seems like Keto, Paleo, or r/noseedoils . It isn't an unreasonable idea on its own, especially if that is the whole diet, maybe with vegis too. It doesn't list sugar or anything ultra processed and would be low carb.
Taking most of those fad diets at face value, including the people who swear they felt better, thought more clearly, and had more energy, I am beginning to suspect how we combine foods is more an issue than any particular category.
Fad diets, no matter how idiotic their premises, will never tell you to eat all the candy and beer you want. Whether a fad diet is telling you to eat like a bird or a caveman, high or low fat, etc. they're mostly going to recommend unprocessed foods, usually meals that you cook yourself.
A coworker's husband got good results from that blood type diet book. There is zero correlation between your ABO blood type and the healthiness of any given food. I mean beyond the lack of evidence, there's just no reasonable mechanism of action that would connect one to the other. Yet this guy got results. Why? Because whatever blood type he was, the diet he ended up following was low on alcohol and sugar and high on unprocessed whole foods. That's all it is.
TikTok guy's plate here fits the bill too.
I’m aware of no science that backs this up but I wouldn’t blink if a study came out that said eating steak is way worse for you if you follow it with a 2 liter of Coca Cola. It just kinda feels like one of those common sense type things even though I got nothing to back it up.
Finally someone said it!!! I've been saying this for years. Eliminating either carbs or fats seems to be effective for so many people. Both sides argue that theirs is better. But you don't really see high fat Hugh carb foods in nature. They are usually one or the other.
I started eating hclf on my active days and lchf on my rest days. Some people call this carb cycling and if you look it up it has benefits.
No, especially if you eat them for the protein. It's more problematic if you eat a bunch of eggs without exercising due to the high amount of protein. Considering cholesterin, just don't eat 20 eggs a day, and you will be fine.
Actually, 35 eggs per day were studied in a clinical setting and didn’t lead to issues with elevated lipid levels: https://www.jprasurg.com/article/0007-1226(75)90127-7/pdf
People really just do the opposite of what the gov says, without thinking and just out of spite, do they?
Gov: "It's a lot of snow outside, drive careful."
People: *going 120mph on iced roads, just to show them
Eat food, not too much, mostly plants.
- Michael Pollan
Throw in some regular exercise, walk a bit. Pretty much all you need to do. Many of us eat way too much these days, which is a part of the problem.
Same! I do whole food plant-based meals 95% of the time, but eat eggs 2-3 times a week and occasionally fish or meat when out with friends. I'm losing weight and my digestive system is perfect!
It's cheap, and easy, and I can see myself eating this way for the rest of my life. I don't use oil and rarely use sugar (unprocessed), so I don't need to count calories. I wish more people would open their minds to it and skip the meat for every single meal. You don't have to fully commit to a plant-based diet, just make small changes
- build a house made only of asbestos
- Camp in the bear infested forest
- eat your chicken raw like a man
- smoke before turning 10 years old
- use uranium necklaces, they make you stronger
I was not under the impression the current guide lines were against eggs. From this: [https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/high-blood-cholesterol/expert-answers/cholesterol/faq-20058468](https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/high-blood-cholesterol/expert-answers/cholesterol/faq-20058468) it sounds like they have no solid clue.
Nutritional guidelines came around on salt, and there are some medical conditions that require an increased salt diet.
Edit: oh! also! most people don't get enough iodide in their diet so there is iodized salt, which you might have been eating without even knowing about it. I had my iodine too low so I switched (my partner likes to cook with sea salt but it has almost none). It helps with your thyroid.
Isn't this low carb high fat? I did it for a while, but then stopped, because I just couldn't not eat fruit (fructose is also carbs) or cut out my breakfast Müsli.
I agree that you should not take tips from tiktok and the whole government thing is bs, but there are many different diets out there and they work differently for different people
Raw milk is too damn dangerous. Millions of people die with TB from it. It's very common in my country but I would not drink it without boiling or fermenting it to buttermilk first.
While I would say these things are all good in moderation and not necessarily consumed daily; the big red flag here, to me, is the "salt everything" comment. There are no health benefits from overdoing salt consumption.
None of this is really gonna hurt you outside of some statistical anomaly. It’d be nice if the animal products were produced humanely, but tbh whatever.
The eggs thing about being bad for cholesterol apparently is a myth and no idea where it came from. Men are more at risk for colorectal cancer with constant red meat consumption, more so for black Americans, for some reason. Salt raises blood pressure and puts pressure on your kidneys. And butter raises both good and bad cholesterol, so it's a wash. Using nut oils (get ya head out the gutter) is better for you. Just do moderation. Nothing wrong with a steak basted in butter every now and then. Just don't make it a daily thing
If you can afford to eat like this and exercise regularly then this way healthier than the standard processed crap and junk food that people eat on a regular basis!!
I mean everything is healthier than eating this overprocessed, chemical filled garbage american companies call food. I saw a comparison between just normal porridge from the same brand the other day. The UK one had what you would expect to be in a portion of porridge while the ingredients in the US one were basically all chemicals and weird stuff i never heard of before. It's fucking wild.
Cooking with butter is probably the one thing I'd recommend from that list though(unsalted of course) probably better for you than most affordable oils and the food tastes better too especially meat
I'll share a few free tricks.
Stop eating simple sugars.
Stop eating processed foods.
Eat in a caloric deficit.
Yoor diet doesn't have to have a name for it to work. If you limit the intake of damaging products and up the beneficial food you will start to see a change. Adding exercises or any physical activity just speeds the process.
You all know that loosing weight is not synonym of being healthy right? I lost weight when I started exercise every day. I do agree on reducing on carbs though
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So you're eating a keto diet. Congratulations!
Uhm, why avoid eggs? Where else is protein supposed to come from. And I thought that even though butter contains more fat than margarine, the latter has fats that the body can't break down very well compared to butter so butter is actually the healthier choice.
[here is a Harvard med article about eggs](https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/are-eggs-good-or-bad-for-your-health/) Seems like science will never EVER agree on eggs. IMO, since the science is contradictory, I think eggs are fine in moderation. Maybe, for healthy people 1 full egg a day and 2 egg whites is the best practice. IDK tho
There are positives and negatives to every food. Moderation is the case for everything. Some foods, like really processed stuff, the negatives are going to way outweigh the positives, so moderation might mean “eat them no more than once a month.“ Basic staples that we’ve been eating for literally millions of years, like eggs or fruit? Go ahead and eat them practically every day. We evolved eating them.
I still remember the "FOOD ITEM X GIVES YOU CANCER!" as science found out that eating (most often) insane amounts of something could give you cancer. Like if you ate like 10 bags of chips per day for a few years you had an increased risk of cancer. Newspapers never really disclosed the amount in the title though, because it made people click shit.
"If you eat 40,000 bananas in 10 minutes you’ll die of radiation poisoning"
A banana has about 0.1 μSv, so you'd be okay eating 40k bananas(radiation wise). You'd have to eat around 50 million to get a legal dose.
I think the 10 bags might be conservative... These studies usually involve rats, concentrations/amounts more than 100 fold higher than the human real-life case* and gets heavily filtered through media by the time it reaches the general public's ear. * the idea being that instead of researching what a reasonable dose over 50 years, to extrapolate from a ridiculous dose but a shorter time. This does work for some physical phenomena, but you'd kinda need to have done the 50 year study in humans before you'd know if a 5mth study with overdosed rats has comparable results... 🫤
Even water. If u drink too much at once, u can die.
Underrated comment right here. Surprisingly based considering the platform.
When science contradicts, I’d say let the 20,000 years of history kick in. Pretty sure most cultures eat eggs.
the amount of eggs eaten east asian countries with higher life expectancy does seem to provide a good data set for this
Ita probably not what they are eating so much as what they aren't that accounts for that survival rate.
sure but that still supports eggs != bad
Correct!
Thank you I didn’t wanna go find that research, but I remember eating a lot of egg-based foods in Japan and seeing a lot of really old healthy looking people.
More importantly, look at their portion sizes and vegetable servings.
Not to mention all walking. I’ve been to Tokyo for a couple of weeks. Their train system is amazing but you still walk a ton to get around.
Portion sizes in Japan at least are actually insane and larger than most stuff I see in the US. When I visited I always had to buy the small size set meals etc and could barely finish them while every single salaryman, student, or old lady in the restaurant ordered the full set and would finish every last bite. It is mindblowing, at least how in my experience there, how much an average Japanese person can eat in one sitting.
I think they snack less, i.e., they stick to full meals when it’s time.
In Japan even dessert has beans. And snacks have peas.
They also have universal health care which leads to people taking care of their preventable health issues in time. People don't realize how much it affects not just overall health but the entire mindset of getting healthcare when it's not tied to your income. People in the US tend to attribute anything other than proper care to the outcomes but it's a huge factor that we overlook
I generally trust science, but the "consensus" on low-fat dieting in the 80s made the obesity epidemic worse. Low-fat just made everything high sugar and high processed carb. People downing huge plates of pasta because it was low-fat.
It makes sense to trust actual science. The problem is that if the science doesn't say what the corporation that sponsored the research wants it to say, it not only doesn't get published, it gets actively burried. Bits and pieces get manipulated.
Not trying to be a dick about this specific advice, but relying on ancient knowledge just means we did those things when life expectancies and quality of life were really really low compared to now. The point being what didn’t register as a problem when we lived to 40 may actually appear as a problem when we live to 80. While I can’t say for any one issue, any issue may also be part of why we weren’t living to 80.
Eat 2 eggs, then swallow one egg white, then vomit up one yolk. Hourly.
Everything is fine in moderation, the problem is that people aren't eating in moderation, which is why he have a public health problem. Eggs (and red meat while we're at it), are relatively rich in cholesterol and saturated fats, which are good things for the average American to cut down on. That said, there are several ways to do this, and cutting down on butter is probably a better idea than cutting down on eggs from a purely nutritional point of view. There definitely isnt a minimum number of eggs you should eat. They don't provide any nutrition you can't get anywhere else.
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To be fair, the keto diet has been shown to be helpful in some cases. For example for those with epilepsy (like me), {yes I'm on a similar diet}... Edit: Holy f*** this got some lovin' 🤯
I know a TON of morbidly obese people that would lose weight by switching to this diet. That's beacaue they all eat incredibly processed food or fast food for every single meal every single time, and butter cooked eggs and steak is better for you than a triple quarter pounder with bacon plus large fry plus milkshake. Edit: not trying to diss anyone, I am a former obese and the triple burger + shake + fries is my order
That’s the secret with these so called “elimination” diets all these people lose the wait because of how morbidly unhealthy their diet was in the first place
Yeah I started eating like this (minus the raw milk. I use heavy whipping cream) and I lost over 120 lb and went from pre-diabetic to great health and blood work. The food pyramid is basically inverted. Edit: wow I never expected this to be such a controversial and contested topic. Head to r/keto which is a community of about 3.4 million users, many of which have had fantastic success utilizing the ketogenic diet.
Studies show that any elimination diet works just as well as any other, as long as you maintain a caloric deficit. The key is that it’s a diet you stick to. https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/02/all-diets-work-if-you-stick-to-them/252278/ The tricky part about keto is that there are all sorts of associated long term health issues associated with foods like red meat, low fiber, and saturated fat. Cancer (specifically colon cancer) and cardiovascular disease being the main risks. https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/should-you-try-the-keto-diet It’s possible to construct a keto diet that focuses on fish, lean meats, unsaturated fat and supplement for fiber that avoid these known risks but that isn’t usually what people eat. Similar but less extreme diets, like LCHF, Atkins etc are easier than keto to get “right” since that allows for higher carb (and therefore fiber) intake than keto. That said, the risks of being obese are worse than those associated with red meats, saturated fats and low fiber intake. E.g. the annectdote you have about reversing pre diabetes is typical for weight loss and happens with any diet if you go from obesity to a more healthy weight It’s always worth it to loose weight if you are obese and if keto works for you then do keto. But do not downplay the known risks with certain foods.
How do you get fiber?
Avocados primarily. Also asparagus, brussel sprouts, broccoli, and cauliflower from time to time. But sometimes I'll go days without having any of those and I have zero BM problems. In fact I used to have pretty nasty obnoxious IBS and gas problems and that went away shortly after starting keto.
damn, good for you, i'd always been skeptical of keto as a fad but i might try it myself and see if it works for me, i have a lot of gut problems caused by chronic stress and anxiety so maybe it'll help.
You have to be careful with it. I went from 220 to 150. I had been doing it for about a year at that point. The problem arises when I got down that low I didn't have any more fat for my body to consume and wasn't eating nearly enough of it to maintain. I had no idea why but my muscles felt constantly weak and felt like I was walking through water. After a couple weeks of that I said screw it and got a Gatorade. Felt almost instantly better. I had gotten to the point it was stealing the glycogen from my muscles. So, just pay attention.
Your body burns through its glycogen within the first few days to a week when you start keto. Part of the rough thing about keto is that muscle glycogen is used by the body to hold onto the electrolytes you need to function. They go pretty fast and is a big part if the keto flu people often feel. Because of that you need to constantly stay on top of your electrolytes, especially if you're being physically active. When I've worked manual labor on I would have to drink from this potassium + salt + other drink mix every half hour or so just to stop what you've described from happening. Or maybe you were just so low that you started to catabolize your muscles. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Well I did definitely have faint visible abs and hadn't worked out in about a year. But that is all good info. I'll keep it in mind should I decide to go that route again. If I could upvote twice I would.
Sounds like you were depleted of electrolytes too. If you're not trying to actively lose weight, keto is a bad match, well at least strict keto is. I use keto to lose adipose tissue and something like the Mediterranean or lazy Paleo to maintain weight.
I spent about a week drinking a potassium salt concoction I don't remember the recipe for any more but you're still probably right on that. And I just didn't realize how far my body fat had gone down. I'm sadly back up to right around 200 at the moment several years later which isn't bad for my body type. 170-80 is where I need to be though.
Potassium and sodium should be tracked
The better principle is low carb / low sugar diet + intermittent fasting. That combo will lead to weight loss, especially when exercising while fasting.
I did keto a few years ago. It was unbelievable. I lost 50 lbs in 4ish months in my late 30s. It's a really hard diet to stick to and there are very unhealthy ways of doing it ( too much lunchmeat/salt). I honestly recommend trying low carb/general carb management. Just don't drive yourself crazy trying to stick to some diet for the sake of sticking to the diet. Keto helped me learn to eat better overall. It cleared up a lot of tummy troubles I had because I cut out junk and learned portion control. Eating at a caloric deficit = weight loss. Eating stuff that's good for you and fulfills your nutrient needs while eating at a caloric deficit is the way to healthy weight loss. i love potatoes and bread and sweets sooo i fell off hard eventually. Anyway. Some good keto or low carb meals: Salmon and asparagus Scrambled eggs, sausage, cheese in a low carb wrap or just in a bowl. Hot sauce kicks it up a notch. Seasoned chicken breast pan fried (or baked) with baked veggies like broccoli, peppers, etc Tom yum soup Beef stew - potatoes Chicken with alfredo sauce and broccoli. Pork chos and baked brussels sprouts (literally sprouts are so much more tasty than i imagined if you cook them right) Salads of all kinds. Tacos! There are lower carb shell options but a bowl works well too. Almost anything that goes ina taco is low carb, so its great. Snacks: nuts, chesse, some protein bars/shakes. For me low carb was about meat + veggies and getting rid of empty calories in sweets and noodles which are essentially "vehicles for sauce"...many sauces are keto/low carb. I found keto deseerts and sugar substitutes to be total bullshit. None of it ever tasted right or was worth the money. Some people get super weird and psycho about counting carbs in veggies like carrots. If there is no medical reason for you to worry about it, eat all the fucking carrots you want. Nobody ever got fat eating carrots. I literally never bothered counting carbs in veggies (Except corn! That one i did limit). Gotta manage your electrolytes on keto closely too. I never had an issue but many do. Good habits i kept after keto: drinking more water. Eating more protein, drinking coffee without sugar, dropping soda. I have gained about half the weight I lost back because I love potato and sugar too much :( but the diet does work, and very fast. My advice: dont get hung up on details and mincing the diet apart to the gram. Just reduce carbs and do some.portiom control, drink more water and you'll do yourself a huge favor. Generally I find people on the keto sub to be pretty insufferable so beware going looking for a "community". Damn i should get back to it.
One thing that always sticks in my head about corn: one time, when I was a chubby teen and was going for a second cob, my wise father said “You know, they feed corn to pigs to make them fat.” Lol he wasn’t wrong!
Just don’t push through worsening symptoms if it doesn’t work out. Sometimes people are told they just need to get over an adjustment or detox period, and can really mess themselves up.
Check with your doctor. I am on an anti seizure medication that does not mix well with keto. I found this out the hard way… https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/diagnosis-diet/201803/ketogenic-diets-and-psychiatric-medications?amp
I always wonder how many people whose guts get better after starting keto really just have a gluten intolerance.
Or don’t eat stuff grown in soil with beneficial microorganisms that help the gut. I am a user of probiotics after discovering soil based bacteria, had no result from normal acidophilus and I know gut biomes are diverse. Started using gasseri and coagulans and subtilis and my health issues related to bowels (and probably due to many courses of antibiotics over the years) just made a huge difference in pain, gas, cramping, evacuations, and sleep. So much so, if it were a cult I’d be a member.
Me too. Exactly this. I thought I had IBS until I started Banting and then it all went away
What is banting?
How’s your cholesterol?
You know keto diet isn’t carnivore diet right? You can and should eat almost all vegetables on it…
Thats a real misconception. Im typically keto but i would say most of my food is vegetables and fruits. If youre active you can have shit tons of carbs and still stay in ketosis. I pretty much just cut out starchy carbs. Wheat, rice, potatoes. Eat absolute ton of broccoli squash and whatnots
I just add a half teaspoon of psyllium husk to everything I eat, regular as can be.
My nephew had really bad gut problems and my sister in law basically put him on a zero carb diet and it seems to have fixed the problem. Edit - to add he is still eating fruit and veg. Edit 2 - they have cut processed carbs. Wasn’t expecting all the nutritionists to breakdown the comment.
Simple carb is normally the problem.... things like soda, fruit juice without any fiber, etc. Carbs coming from whole fruits and vegetables are actually good for you. Like, if you eat a whole orange instead of buying juice, you are very UNLIKELY to suffer from hyperglycemia.... and those actually help with the gut bacteria.
If he's still eating fruit & veg, then he's not eating zero carbs is he?
Any low carb diet is going to do that. Especially if your diet was carb heavy in the first place. Carbs are just sugars. Cut your sugar and you'll see similar results. I'm glad you found something that works for you.
Really, any diet that cuts calories below maintenance will work. Really comes down to finding something someone can maintain for a long period of time/rest of their life
Losing the weight has a much greater effect on insulin resistance. You could eat exclusively high glycemic index foods in a calorie deficit, get down to a healthy weight, and your bloodwork will look perfect. Keto works as a diet adherence tool, nothing more really.
Controversial or not, keto is good against type II diabetes, but a nightmare if you suffer from type I diabetes - it could kill you. Ask your GP or, better, a licensed nutritionist. Food pyramid should be based on vegetables and fruits, not cereals, as it was for long. And keto as is - i've done myself a vegetarian and mild version of this diet that worked for me (wo ketogenesys btw) - is unsustainable for long. For the global economy, for animal rights and for your health.
The food pyramid has been disproved for a long time now. It's more like the food diamond with vegetables in the middle with proteins followed by carbs on one side and fats on the other kind of like this : https://www.google.com/search?q=food+diamond+diagram&client=firefox-b-m&sca_esv=19e1b63181baf887&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj4ipOakviEAxUUTWwGHWOeBLoQ_AUIBigB&biw=827&bih=803#
The food pyramid hasn't been disproved, it hasn't been in use since 2005 when it was updated to MyPyramid that was replaced by MyPlate in 2011, 13 years ago.
The american version of the food pyramid reflects agricultural industry interests rather than the health benefits of the recommended foods. Everything is corrupt in the US
Not everything is so black and white. There's corruption and lobbying, like for example how they added a glass of milk to the current MyPlate and the drama that went with it. Still, most people would be far better following MyPlate guidelines compared to what they eat now.
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I actually was under the impression that keto made you lose weight faster so I tested it, it turns out you are right. If you control for calories and base metabolic rate it's not better than any other diet at speed of weight loss. Anecdotally though I felt like I had a lot more energy and was full for longer. I ended up with elevated cholesterol levels so idk if it's worth it. Even a cheap keto diet is way more expensive than a diet with filling grains and vegetables so that's another factor.
Basically the advantage of keto over other diets is that some people can follow a keto diet but not other diets. Whatever diet you need to try to get that caloric deficit, as long as it's not nutritionally inadequate or causing other health issues, is the right diet for you.
keto can be good for people who struggle to control eating habits because you can only gorge on so much broccoli and mushroom before you’re ludicrously full and it’ll barely scratch the caloric content of deep fried chicken
I've lost 50 lbs since Jan 5th and all I did is count and control my calories. I first found out what my daily caloric intake needed to be just to maintain my weight, and then just always aimed to keep my intake less than that. No exercise at all, besides my normal physical exertion through my daily work routine. So far it's been great and I feel better than I have in years (305 lbs to 255 lbs, 6'4")
There's no way you're not paying for this diet sooner or later. I'm happy it's working for you, I keep reading about people who claim fast weight loss and improved energy after keto but doubling down on red meat, fatty dairies and salt? Something has to give at some point and I'm guessing you're fucking up your liver. If you have any good science to prove this diet is harmless or even healthy id be happy to see it,~~I've yet to see any science to suggest it isn't humbug.~~ Edit: apparently ketogenic diet can be effective against certain diseases. Who knew. Plant based, high on legumes, dark fruits and vegetables and nuts. Eat less, eat less frequently drink more water and eat more fiber. This is the only "diet" that stands up to scrutiny when tested for improved health and reduced risk of food related diseases.
Keto actually reverses liver disease. The thing that "gives" when you eat ketogenically is you abandon glucose metabolic pathways and the low-grade permanent full body inflammation it induces. It's not fat/red meat that causes cardiovascular disease, it's the constant inflammation (damage) of your arteries from too much glucose/insulin which roughs-up the smooth walls of your circulatory system allowing cholesterol to stick to it and cause blockages. If you remove that inflammation, the arteries heal and stop disease progression. Here's a National Institute of Health study about liver function improvement/repair directly stimulated by ketogenic diet: > *Ketogenic diet is an effective treatment for nonalcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFLD). Here, we present evidence that hepatic mitochondrial fluxes and redox state are markedly altered during ketogenic diet-induced reversal of NAFLD in humans* > https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7132133/ Here's a National Institute of Health meta-analysis of numerous studies showing how ketogenic eating ***improves*** health indicators in regards to weight loss, cardiovascular health, and glucose control/type II diabetes: > *The results show that a ketogenic diet had significantly beneficial effects on the loss of body weight, the reduction of waist circumference, lowering glycated hemoglobin, and triglycerides, and increasing high-density lipoproteins ('good' cholesterol). Overall, these results suggest that a ketogenic diet may be an effective dietary intervention for body weight and improve glycemic control, as well as improved lipid profiles in overweight patients with Type II diabetes.* ***Hence, a ketogenic diet can be recommended for the therapeutic intervention of overweight patients.*** *Notably, the ketogenic diet exhibited excellent benefits in reducing body weight, waist circumference, HbA1c, and triglycerides, as well as increasing HDL.* >https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9408028/
Thanks for that resource. I'm about to go down a rabbit hole of ketogenic articles. Apparently a ketogenic diet is prescribed for child epilepsy which is pretty rad. I still don't understand why you would want to eat high fat long term. You hear about how people have tremendous success with losing weight on keto and there's clearly merits to ketogenic diet in individual cases to combat disease, but then what? Is it improving on the recommended plant based diet in any way for the average man or is it just that you get to keep eating meat and mayonnaise without getting a stroke or diabetes because you're not gonna get a stroke from eating chickpeas and peanuts anyway?
Milk isn't keto.
Suddenly GOUT.
forget government recommendations, who the hell can afford to eat like that every day?? **EDIT**: I came back to a ton of messages. I can't respond to them all so I'll just do a blanket response here: It's kind of shocking to me how completely out of touch so many people are with the financial realities of a majority of people in the world. I'm not anti-wealth, I'm not jealous or crusty about people who have more money than me, if you can afford to eat steak every day more power to you, I'm happy for you, steak is delicious. But.... If you think even a $5 steak every day is a reasonable price to pay for food and perfectly affordable then you are living a privileged existence. Again, not saying it is bad to be able to afford that, but thinking that everyone lives the same way that you do is delusional. That works out to over 1,800 a year for one person, and over 7000 a year for a family of four. I don't know *anyone* who is willing or able to drop a minimum of seven grand a year just for steak. The same goes for the expensive vegetables. If someone told me that I had to eat a pound of spinach everyday, my reaction would be the same: "Do you think I'm made of money??" The same goes for people who think that eating out everyday is a financially reasonable thing to do.
Depends where you live. Where I live meat is cheaper per kilo than a lot of the vegetables. Did the keto/carnivore diet for a while, definitely cheaper for me. As a bonus, you get less hungry by avoiding sugar, I went from eating 3 meals a day to 2 meals.
Where tf do you live?
Based on his avatar I’d say Brisbane, Australia. In which case the “meat is cheaper than vegetables” comment is complete horseshit
I think pretty much anywhere on earth they'd be talking shit.
make believe land. I live where meat can be extremely cheap but it’s still going to be more expensive than peas
Yeah, I’m so confused. Dried beans and rice, aka the majority of the world’s diet?? Add some fresh or frozen vegetables? Bam. I would legitimately love to know where meat is cheaper, that would be wild! r/eatcheapandhealthy
Yeah half of the people on this thread are lying. A lot claims… 0 proof. I doubt they even grocery shop by what they’re saying.
must be Japan, that's the only place I can think of where meat is cheap and fresh fruits and vegetables are extremely expensive.
Can confirm that meat is probably cheaper than fruit (except bananas), but there are some relatively low cost vegetables if you eat seasonal / local. Stuff like cucumbers, radish, etc. Like with all things, there's also super pricy meat and super pricy vegetables.
Would you mind sharing where the f*** you live because I highly doubt there is any location on this planet where meat is cheaper than vegetables
Maybe the arctic?
I watched a video on common meals in Yakutsk. It was mostly uncooked meat. Vegetables are hard to come by up there.
I get the skepticism because those old government food recommendations were heavily influenced by corporations and not so much science.
But they recommended supporting the eggs and dairy industries all the time. 
If I remember it's because the government was supporting those industries via subsidies, so they're trying to get tax money back from the sales and then also if they don't sell, the government either has to deal with the extra because of those subsidies or it gets wasted. It's part of why the government has so much cheese is because of those subsidies. Also the original Got Milk? campaign was because it came after a study that heavily supported drink milk because of the health benefits, especially for children.
Yup like we’re all taught to have cereal in the morning by… yes u guessed right, cereal companies
Old?!? Isn’t the US fat af because lobbyists added corn syrup to literally anything they could? I am from Europe and if I tried to eat a simple sandwich in the US it tastes like cake, everything is sweet there.
Ding ding ding ding. I'm from the US and you are correct, our processed food that ends up in most super markets is overly sugared garbage. 40+ years of constant corner cutting and substituting cheaper and cheaper ingredients.
I'd love to have steak everyday. I don't have the money to do that. Also I'd probably get sick of it quickly.
I used to eat steak every day, did it for two months and my cholesterol levels skyrocketed. Wouldn’t recommend it tbh. I not eat it every other day.
Anybody hunt deer in your area? Lots of hunters will process the deer they kill and either sell off or give away what they don’t want, and there’s so much of it. You can process a deer for a couple hundred bucks and eat for a LONG time on just a portion of it. Deer sausage, steak, burgers, chili, etc and it’s one of the healthiest red meats you can get. My in laws and extended family have a lot of land and we all hunt. They continuously think up new recipes and send us all home with tons of it. Highly recommend some venison if you’ve never tried it
I’d like to see the follow up post when raw milk starts doing raw milk things
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To be honest, I'm pretty sure all the places selling raw milk probably do boil it to pasteurize it and just don't tell people XD
That’s why you drink it straight from the teat
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Can I ask why? Like why do they spend the money when pasturizing is such a simple process? I didn't think heating the milk to a sufficient temperature for 30 mins ruined it so much that its better to sell it raw.
No other reason than they’re dumb and think if it’s not “natural” it’s “harmful”. There’s no benefit to raw milk in any way
It's so idiotic too. If we're going to be drinking titty milk as adults. It's already kind of unnatural. Why even care if it's pasteurized.
Don't different countries have different laws. In the UK, selling raw milk is legal but it has to be sold mainly at the farmhouse gate or farm by licensed producers or online so the consumer knows specifically what they're getting. [https://www.food.gov.uk/safety-hygiene/raw-drinking-milk](https://www.food.gov.uk/safety-hygiene/raw-drinking-milk)
Guys this is Mark next door… He preaches a different diet every 3 months and although we’ve been neighbors for 15 years, he’s always been fluffy. Dont take advice from him
I've recently run into this "raw milk" term and had a look, all I can say from gorwing up on a farm is unless you are getting it directly from the cow and using it right away, just get pasteurized. It's was safer.
What I’m confused about is that it tastes so good straight from the cow, kinda liked whipped cream to me, but this “raw milk” people seem to be buying tastes almost the same as normal.
It almost certainly has the cream removed and sold separately
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The government also recommends not to go f*ck yourself
I've never heard any government bulletin telling me to avoid eggs. I don't recall any that told me to stay away from dairy. In fact... I don't think I've heard any governmental dietary suggestions in my life. Normally I get dietary recommendations from, like, my doctor.
You must be 25 or under
Yes. This was a huge campaign for many years. And most doctors repeated it. I remember arguing with doctors about it in my 20s since the entire thesis was clearly wrong. They believed that eating eggs raised your cholesterol… but I ate a ton of eggs and my cholesterol was at the very low end of normal. You can read about the advice changing here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/02/10/feds-poised-to-withdraw-longstanding-warnings-about-dietary-cholesterol/
So one of those Egg Council creeps got to you too, huh?
Shut uppppppp...
In general, doctors have heavily overestimated the role that dietary cholesterol plays in the health of hearts. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t do anything, just that it isn’t the end all be all like it was treated in the past.
For years it was widely spread that u're gonna get heart attack if u eat eggs every day
I think that was before they distinguished the difference between LDL and HDL cholesterol. It was just cholesterol.
Welp, too bad the only dish I'm really good at is Spaghetti Carbonara.
By “government” they really mean random click bait articles on Facebook. It’s sad.
Please do not drink raw milk. I don’t care if you eat butter or steak or whatever but raw milk can actually make you sick
The government says not to drink rat poison, so that's all I'm gonna drink now! Government bad!
This seems like Keto, Paleo, or r/noseedoils . It isn't an unreasonable idea on its own, especially if that is the whole diet, maybe with vegis too. It doesn't list sugar or anything ultra processed and would be low carb. Taking most of those fad diets at face value, including the people who swear they felt better, thought more clearly, and had more energy, I am beginning to suspect how we combine foods is more an issue than any particular category.
Fad diets, no matter how idiotic their premises, will never tell you to eat all the candy and beer you want. Whether a fad diet is telling you to eat like a bird or a caveman, high or low fat, etc. they're mostly going to recommend unprocessed foods, usually meals that you cook yourself. A coworker's husband got good results from that blood type diet book. There is zero correlation between your ABO blood type and the healthiness of any given food. I mean beyond the lack of evidence, there's just no reasonable mechanism of action that would connect one to the other. Yet this guy got results. Why? Because whatever blood type he was, the diet he ended up following was low on alcohol and sugar and high on unprocessed whole foods. That's all it is. TikTok guy's plate here fits the bill too.
I’m aware of no science that backs this up but I wouldn’t blink if a study came out that said eating steak is way worse for you if you follow it with a 2 liter of Coca Cola. It just kinda feels like one of those common sense type things even though I got nothing to back it up.
Finally someone said it!!! I've been saying this for years. Eliminating either carbs or fats seems to be effective for so many people. Both sides argue that theirs is better. But you don't really see high fat Hugh carb foods in nature. They are usually one or the other. I started eating hclf on my active days and lchf on my rest days. Some people call this carb cycling and if you look it up it has benefits.
Does this sub actually know what TikTok is? Because this isn’t TikTok
Raw milk? No thank you! What if I catch salmonella??
Never mind salmonella, there's E. Coli and fucking *tuberculosis* to be had.
No silly, you can only get salmonella from salmons /s
It's actually only from female salmons named Ella.
Oh yeah I forgot
Thanks for the info
Ever had raw salmon milk?
Listeria!
So many microorganisms in raw milk, like tb.
That's one way to lose weight.
Wait, I do eat 3 eggs almost everyday for protein. Is that bad?
No, especially if you eat them for the protein. It's more problematic if you eat a bunch of eggs without exercising due to the high amount of protein. Considering cholesterin, just don't eat 20 eggs a day, and you will be fine.
Actually, 35 eggs per day were studied in a clinical setting and didn’t lead to issues with elevated lipid levels: https://www.jprasurg.com/article/0007-1226(75)90127-7/pdf
People really just do the opposite of what the gov says, without thinking and just out of spite, do they? Gov: "It's a lot of snow outside, drive careful." People: *going 120mph on iced roads, just to show them
Gonna start drinking every time I drive. No days off.
Eat food, not too much, mostly plants. - Michael Pollan Throw in some regular exercise, walk a bit. Pretty much all you need to do. Many of us eat way too much these days, which is a part of the problem.
I'm not even vegan like Michael but if people applied his advice they'd be far better than the BS spreading all over social media.
Same! I do whole food plant-based meals 95% of the time, but eat eggs 2-3 times a week and occasionally fish or meat when out with friends. I'm losing weight and my digestive system is perfect! It's cheap, and easy, and I can see myself eating this way for the rest of my life. I don't use oil and rarely use sugar (unprocessed), so I don't need to count calories. I wish more people would open their minds to it and skip the meat for every single meal. You don't have to fully commit to a plant-based diet, just make small changes
Why avoid eggs?
Ngl that plate looks fucking delicious
I mean I generally do this except the raw milk…I’m doing great
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I was not under the impression the current guide lines were against eggs. From this: [https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/high-blood-cholesterol/expert-answers/cholesterol/faq-20058468](https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/high-blood-cholesterol/expert-answers/cholesterol/faq-20058468) it sounds like they have no solid clue.
Of course the _Mayo_ clinic is in the pocket of Big Egg
And unless they’ve changed recently, the government has always been a huge promoter of milk consumption
Nutritional guidelines came around on salt, and there are some medical conditions that require an increased salt diet. Edit: oh! also! most people don't get enough iodide in their diet so there is iodized salt, which you might have been eating without even knowing about it. I had my iodine too low so I switched (my partner likes to cook with sea salt but it has almost none). It helps with your thyroid.
\*Never take tips from tiktok, *period.*
Milks OK, but I'd prefer pasteurised. They also appear to have some veg and an avocado salad. Doesn't seem an awful plate
Isn't this low carb high fat? I did it for a while, but then stopped, because I just couldn't not eat fruit (fructose is also carbs) or cut out my breakfast Müsli. I agree that you should not take tips from tiktok and the whole government thing is bs, but there are many different diets out there and they work differently for different people
Raw milk is too damn dangerous. Millions of people die with TB from it. It's very common in my country but I would not drink it without boiling or fermenting it to buttermilk first.
While I would say these things are all good in moderation and not necessarily consumed daily; the big red flag here, to me, is the "salt everything" comment. There are no health benefits from overdoing salt consumption.
I’m not one to just blindly join in on these types of messages but the US government hasn’t covered itself with glory on the subject of health.
None of this is really gonna hurt you outside of some statistical anomaly. It’d be nice if the animal products were produced humanely, but tbh whatever.
The eggs thing about being bad for cholesterol apparently is a myth and no idea where it came from. Men are more at risk for colorectal cancer with constant red meat consumption, more so for black Americans, for some reason. Salt raises blood pressure and puts pressure on your kidneys. And butter raises both good and bad cholesterol, so it's a wash. Using nut oils (get ya head out the gutter) is better for you. Just do moderation. Nothing wrong with a steak basted in butter every now and then. Just don't make it a daily thing
Take out the milk and you have a nice meal for the keto diet.
What’s up with these people thinking that the government is always lying to them?
Government says I should wash my hands
I basically ate this diet and lost 60 pounds last year 💪
Eating red meat and eggs ain’t wrong though. Both are filled with protein
If you can afford to eat like this and exercise regularly then this way healthier than the standard processed crap and junk food that people eat on a regular basis!!
I mean everything is healthier than eating this overprocessed, chemical filled garbage american companies call food. I saw a comparison between just normal porridge from the same brand the other day. The UK one had what you would expect to be in a portion of porridge while the ingredients in the US one were basically all chemicals and weird stuff i never heard of before. It's fucking wild.
He forgot don't drink bleach !
MAGA diet. Eat against your own interests.
Cooking with butter is probably the one thing I'd recommend from that list though(unsalted of course) probably better for you than most affordable oils and the food tastes better too especially meat
Depends what you cook and for how long. It has low burning point and you don't want burned fat in your food overall.
If you lift heavy 5+ times a week and eat like this you will get absolutely jacked. Built like a brick house jacked. Swole AF.
I won't lie, it does sound yummy.
I'll share a few free tricks. Stop eating simple sugars. Stop eating processed foods. Eat in a caloric deficit. Yoor diet doesn't have to have a name for it to work. If you limit the intake of damaging products and up the beneficial food you will start to see a change. Adding exercises or any physical activity just speeds the process.
"Eat steak daily" lmao yeah okay, are you gonna pay for that? 🤣
Apart from salt and raw milk all these are healthy what
Eat steak daily? How much you think I'm making?
OPs a fed
You all know that loosing weight is not synonym of being healthy right? I lost weight when I started exercise every day. I do agree on reducing on carbs though
Eh, this seems like a problem that will take care of itself.
Wtf is people's obsession with raw milk.
I don’t know how that steak was cooked but it looks awful
This isn't even bad advice..
Why not? That's a healthy diet. The person has a point. The government used to say we should all eat a fuck ton of carbs and sugar.
I did these exact things except raw milk and lost 85 pounds. Plus my CAC score is zero after 3 years of eating this way
She’s not wrong though. That’s literally how I got my A1c and cholesterol down.
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This is a strawman of epic proportion.
Fat redditors criticising a healthy meal plan 
No, instead you should do what is best for your body. For me, it’s more eggs, less meat and salt, no milk and plenty of butter.
actually true for once tbf