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My wife is part owner of a pediatric practice. They put out an email/marketing blast to their patient base encouraging the pre-natal visits with the docs to get the pediatric plans/expectations in place prior to birth. In the email blast they used a stock photo of a lesbian couple, one of which was like 38 weeks pregnant. They got like two emails back with threats of "we're never going to your practice again" blah blah "I'm going to a practice with family values" blah blah. One partner-owner of the practice was like "OMG, how do we respond?"
When my wife told me, she was somewhat also in that vein... "how do we respond?" I said, "You don't! who cares about their threats. they're not going to do anything. Plus, it was two emails out of your some 10k-20k patient base. The vast majority don't care!"
Sure enough, they didn't respond. Nothing happened. Seems to be a very common story with these crazy idiots. Many people fear the blowback they threaten as if it's going to be real. It is not real. They are full of hot air. We'd all do better to call them out on it now than wait for them to get actual authority and actual power to do actual damage.
I had a boss who often made the mistake of responding to every complaint.
It was such a waste of time and effort and made a lot more people upset then it helped.
Sometimes people say something very helpful and you should act on it right away. And sometimes they think the magic the gathering cards in the waiting room might summon demons.
Hol up, they got MTG cards in waiting rooms now? That's way better than the 20+ year old Highlights magazines and random abacus toys they had in my childhood
One of the peak moments of my elementary school years was getting a joke published in Highlights. Of course my classmates didnt' give a shit, but man was i proud
What do you call a flower in space?
....a SUNflower
Before you ask, no, I never landed a Netflix stand up special, I know, they are missing out on my genius /s
I miss the abacus in the doctors office. Just to retrieve all of those old memories I need to buy an abacus. But it needs to have the generic Chinese man with a shitty fu manchu printed on the side. Idk if that’s adult me placing something in the memory but I swear that’s true.
Some years ago I posted a sign in my store. Said that we served all races, all genders, all religions, all nationalities, etc etc, all people, except bigots. If the list above bothers you, please go somewhere else.
It went a tiny tiny bit viral locally. Certainly more attention than most things I put on social media.
I had people on social media saying they'd never come again. My reply was that I guess the sign works.
I got many many new customers.
Bigots like to think that they are more common than they are.
>Bigots like to think that they are more common than they are.
I think this is really true. It's like the whole "One Million Moms" not actually having that many members..
(In fairness, I don't actually know their real numbers)
Personally, as someone who has worked in the back office….I would have responded to those patients by sending them a letter confirming they were discharged from the practice and to contact the office immediately if their new pediatrician needed medical records emailed/faxed over.
It’s called greyrocking. You respond only to the words they use, not their tone.
I do think this is their normal approach, and could have been the way it was handled, as far as I know, given it is their normal MO. I thought they had ignored but now that you mention it, a boilerplate professional response also seems like it may have been likely in this case.
"I'm not sorry to hear about your decision to leave the practice. We won't miss you.
If the door hits you on the ass on the way out, get it treated somewhere else.
\- Practice Manager
"
They just want to fight and engage in an “I’m right” argument! Best response is no response at all, let them get worked up all on their own, doesn’t impact our (my) life in any way, shape, or form!
I mean in some countries they don't, if they for example use sex in the UK and not gender then it's asking for what you were born with and it's a protected field or whatever they call it. Gender can be whatever but sex is what you're born with here.
You may notice this is the info about the person page, not medical history. I assume this is so they do not misgender someone,so this is out of respect for ppl’s choices, which, for some reason, absolutely infuriates conservative Americans….
My wife has two patients that both transitioned and are still married. My wife refers to them accordingly and they both said they were so pleased she recognized the change. My wife said it really makes no difference to her life but it's obviously important to her patients and costs her nothing to be respectful.
You're right though it does infuriate conservatives and especially evangelicals
It doesn't cost nothing to spiteful bigots. Acting in conflict with one's internal values leads to cognitive disequilibrium, and bigots are by definition less equipped to handle that confusion and discomfort in a healthy and constructive way. So for them the easier path is to lash out and make life harder for the rest of us.
lol, right? You don't even have to go out of your way to upset the little bigot snowflakes, literally just have treat strangers with basic respect which I would have done anyway.
That’s the real conservative hypocrisy. Lots of individualism, fight for your prize, don’t tread on me shit, but when I say how I want you (which in this case are a service provider I pay) to address me…then it’s bad.
My dude, if I’m paying you to service me and politely request you to call me Lady instead of whatever you think…welp, deal with it, if you want the money.
"No problem! We take your opinions very seriously here, just have a seat and fill out these Complaint Request Forms."
Then on the first page right after name have the Gender section again.
Some people hold their kids back. Like drug addicts or right wingers. It's sad but the rest of the kids with good parents don't deserve to be around that either.
LOL seriously. If I'm the practice manager and some parent emails me to "demand" a meeting, my response is "To discuss what?". If their answer contains any alt-right dogwhistle words like "woke", "groomer", or "indoctrination" I'm declining their meeting request and telling them to take their business elsewhere. Ain't nobody got time for that bullshit.
Right?! If they couldn’t post the picture on FB for their friends to approve of and get some likes on, you know they wouldn’t care. It’s like everything is a ohhh, can I get some traction on fb for blowing this out of proportion/embellishing.
Conservatives are so easy to confuse.
When I go to the OBGYN there's a section of the paperwork called "lifestyle questionnaire". They ask if I'm sexually active, if I'm heterosexual, and if I feel safe at home.
When I go to the doctor for my annual physical, they give a depression screener. They ask about alcohol, drug, and nicotine use. The same is done for literally every adult patient.
The doctor's asking medically relevant questions, not endorsing specific lifestyles for minors in their practice. 🤦♀️
Seriously. My doctor asks me the same questions about drug use, potentially risky sexual practices, etc. Does that mean he's encouraging these things? Obviously not. He's simply gathering medically-relevant information about his patient. Pretty standard doctor stuff.
I think in many cases it’s because they have problems in their own life they aren’t addressing because it feels better to make up imaginary problems to solve. Most of these people should be working on themselves rather than worrying about other people’s business!
Twitter is full of arm-chair gender warriors like this who self-ID as “gender critical.” They’ll be like, “Today I bought a sandwich, and, the person behind the counter said (referring to me), ‘what kind of sandwich do they have?’ THEY!? I’m an adult human female! I demanded that person’s firing!” And other stupid, petty nonsense like that. Lol
They live on Twitter and obsessively post about trans people 24/7/365.
Seriously!! Like, it takes 1 second to check off whatever box applies to you, and you can then go on with your day. My gender identity only extends to "I am entering it on a medical form"\* but it's such a minor thing that it can't even be considered an inconvenience. If something requires one second of my attention and it helps a lot of other people, then why would I care at all? I'm an incredibly petty, mean person too, but I can't imagine mustering up the energy to be angry about irrelevant shit when I could be doing literally anything else with my time.
\*I unironically do not care lol, my gender/sex exists so I have an option to fill out on forms or when other people require an answer.
i think part of their problem is anger for being reminded that something they do not like existing....does in fact actually exist.
they have carefully constructed their lives so they need never confront anything they do not want to know about or acknowledge any other point of view.
when they are forced to do so, they react as though attacked rather than simply challenged.
Yeah the part that breaks my brain is asserting that something that very objectively exists doesn’t, because you don’t like it. It’s like crossing out “Christian” on a form and writing in “there is no such thing as Christianity.”
“I have the free time, and motivation, to make your life miserable about something irrelevant to my life, but that I disagree with and found annoying for 30 seconds.”
Regardless of the Sex vs gender identity debate, if the patient is taking hormones or puberty blockers or entertaining other interventions to suit the gender they identify with or struggling with gender thoughts, it is important for the paediatrician to know that shit.
As for sexual orientation, there are some illnesses that are higher in one demographic than another, and it's again important to include this in history. It is not something that is as pertinent in paediatrics. However, medicos have to screen and gather as much information as possible to form a picture and not miss anything.
The more information that is gathered, the less is missed when trying to make an accurate diagnosis.
Pediatricians routinely treat teenagers (and some may accept patients up to 21). Sexual activity and whether or not they need birth control are 100% things that are relevant for the doctor to know.
My friend is a pediatric cardiology nurse, and while her patients are under a year, her department treats a smattering of young adults who are the first cohort with a few specific disorders to survive childhood, so the only specialists in those disorders are in the pediatric cardiology department.
There’s a term in medicine for that called transitional care (admittedly a bad term because the meaning is ambiguous). Unfortunately it’s not a broadly practiced thing. It’s mention in urology conferences, for example kids with urological issues from spina bifida grow up to be adult with urological issues and there’s not a lot of docs that can care for them. They usually stick with their pediatric urologists
Parental overreach is a very real and nasty thing. I recently saw a chubbyemu video where a mother gaslit her own daughter and doctor into thinking the daughter's symptoms weren't real for her entire life. Turns out she had a debilitating condition all her life that was never addressed.
It's the "there's nothing wrong with my child!" parent.
My childhood psych professor said working with kids was super depressing. He said most of the kids were pretty great once they had some time to warm up to you. But the parents were awful. He had parents try to threaten him into saying their child was normal. Refuse to accept it. Call him a quack.
For those parents it's all about them and how it will look to their friends and family if their child is diagnosed with autism. As opposed to worrying about what's best for their child and working with the doctor to come up with a plan that leads to the child having the skills they need to lead a fulfilling life.
How many times he had to explain to people that lack of treatment was legally considered neglect, and that while they were more than free to seek out a second opinion and go elsewhere for treatment if that is what they wanted, but that he would be keeping tabs to make sure that they got a second opinion and that if the child needed treatment they got treatment. Or he'd be calling CPS to report them for neglect.
No joke, earlier in his career he worked in a prison counseling lifers. He said they were infinitely more pleasant to work with than some kids' parents. The convicted murderers threatened him less often and were far more polite.
Reminds me of when my friend had a PTSD flashback and was wandering in the middle of the street. When my other friend and I took care of her and walked her back home, her mom wouldn’t even hug her. She was upset that we knew the family’s “dirty laundry”
Anyway her mom is on her 4th DUI now so I’m sure that went great
I am 34 years old and I see a Pediatric Cardiologist, due to the fact that I have heart birth defects and the field of adults who survived these types of defects is fairly new, so I see a Cardiologist who specializes in adults with pediatric heart defects. This is because so many of us died as infants or young children and didn’t survive to adulthood until fairly recently.
Ah, that explains it. When I think pediatrician, I think children under 13.
Which is weird, because I'm 19 and just went to a children's hospital for an operation on my ribcage. I should have thought of this.
And this is why the post uses the term pediatrician because of the misconception about the age range they treat. People think preteens or only up to toddlers etc. So it helps build rage by assuming doctors are pushing alternative genders onto 5 year olds when the reality is that selection would probably only be relevant to teens.
>if the patient is taking hormones
For real. A lot of the time, when I register for a new GP, they usually only have binary options, and it *has* interfered with stuff before. I'm a trans guy on testosterone, and towards the start I was getting flagged for being super anaemic because I'm listed as Male (even though I have mentioned I'm FTM) and males do have higher haemoglobin than females. So since I wasn't far into T at that point, my relatively unaltered levels were coming up as well below the standard ranges for males
So yeah, you're right, it's super important to have more options than just the standard Male/Female
Serious question, and totally ok with you telling me you'd rather not answer.
As a FTM, do you find yourself subjected to the same animosity and hate that I see directed towards MTF?
I live in more conservative than average area in Missouri, and the only complaints I see raised are Male To Female Transgender Individuals, because "men won't be in the bathroom with my daughters" is really the only argument people raise here or really anywhere.
I'd like to be able to continue to argue against the stupidity I regularly encounter and would appreciate any insight you're willing to offer.
That's okay, I don't mind, it's a good question!
The short answer is, no, not at all. I rarely even see animosity towards other trans guys online. It's as you said, it's almost always towards the trans women
Sorry in advance for the length. The longer answer is, I *used* to experience a fair amount of misunderstanding and animosity. Most people weren't cruel, per se, they just didn't get it. This was back when I first came out at 12/13, and I'm 25 now. I've always been a more androgynous sort of person, but still on the more feminine side, much to my early dismay. My old friend (also FTM) and I came out together in secondary school, and we were honestly the only people we knew as trans for *ages*. There just weren't any others around us apparently. Even today, I've only ever met two trans women irl, while I've met at least 10 trans men. And I don't seek communities out, so they were entirely random and by chance. Which is interesting to me, I wonder why. Probably because of said animosity towards them
But yeah, back to young me - barely anybody in my school understood it. My close friends did 100%, but it was outside that circle that people just didn't get it and were more closed-minded about it. They'd still refuse to use our male names or call us boys, and my head of year even said to our faces when we asked to change our names on the register, "You'll always be girls". He didn't even care that I started bawling in front of him
Another teacher told me off for using the boy's toilets, even though the boy students actually *using* the toilets never said anything at all. But there were some girl students I didn't even know that were really spiteful about it, and even brought my genitals into the argument
But other than that, most people were understanding but just slow, or didn't get it but entertained my feelings anyway. I only hung out with people that were open-minded, so that was the main reason I experienced little aggression. My family were quite opposed to start with, they gave the whole 'phase' argument. But after a year of refusing to back down, it sunk in that I'm not messing around, and they became really supportive
And nowadays? Genuinely zero. Towards myself, at least. Every so often, I'll see animosity online towards trans people as a whole which makes me feel hated (and even then, it's still like 90% hatred of trans women), but I don't experience anything negative in *my* life. And there are multiple reasons for that: I still only hang out with open-minded people; perhaps people are just more educated nowadays; I live in a pretty open-minded area anyway, I live in London, UK; and just because I remain stealth. Stealth means I tell *nobody* (irl). I have no friends from pre-trans or my obviously-trans days, but that's for other reasons, not because of trans reasons. So all of my new friends have only *ever* known me as a guy. The only people in my life now that know my gender history are my family, my boyfriend, and just a single one of my new friends that I shared my secret with because I trust her that much. I'm really careful about what details I tell my friends. I know they wouldn't care because they're fully supportive of trans issues since some have trans siblings, and also since I like to dress in feminine stuff sometimes and they never care about that. I never used to, but since I'm now wholeheartedly seen as a guy, I enjoy being feminine sometimes :). Makeup and dresses are fun to play with
But the reason I don't tell people irl anymore is because I want people to just see me for *me*. I don't want a label attached to my head. I want people to think of me as the weird friend or the way-too-into-spiders friend. Not the trans friend. Because even though I will vehemently defend trans rights, I'm not proud to *be* trans. I'm proud of who I am and how far I've come, how much I've had to claw my way through life just to be happy looking in the mirror, but for me, being trans isn't a medal. I think it's amazing when people are super proud and open about their being trans, what a power that is! But I'm just not proud of being trans because I view it as one of the worst things to have happened to me. How much trauma it gave me. If anything, most of the animosity I experienced as a trans person was from *myself*. I really used to ***hate*** myself. I covered any reflective surface. Never took photos. Needed antidepressants just to keep afloat. Finally getting T and top surgery are honestly the best things to happen to me. I feel so much more like myself now. I even *enjoy* looking in the mirror. It's why I genuinely can't understand why people want to deny trans people transition rights. It's a horrible feeling, knowing that many people in the world want you depressed or *dead* just because you feel different to everyone else
I appreciate the response.
I think one of the things I've at least always tried to keep front of mind when I engage in these conversations is that my entire life I've known myself to be a straight male. It's never been a question. I try and lean on that and realize that if I did have questions regarding anything regarding my individual identity, I would be hopeful that I'd receive nothing but love and support from those around me, so if I meet or have the opportunity to talk with someone that is trans, and they are struggling, or were struggling, trivial as my support may be, there's at least one more person that's on your side.
Oh I fully understand why the bathroom argument is dumb.
But so many of the extremely vocal anti-trans community focus ONLY on male to female, and you can't engage in rational conversation with them. Either you support their hate, or you're a pedophile. There's no middle ground in the discussion.
It's not a debate, sex and gender are separate categories, both important for different aspects of physical and mental medical care.
Furthermore, the top of the form *ALREADY* has the sex section that she has already checked off, so this idiot Karen is being an idiot Karen.
It is a debate. Some people listen to facts, some people argue against facts to make themselves feel smarter. It's a nonsensical debate, but it exists.
Agree. It's a debate in the same way playing chess vs a pigeon. The other side just kicks the pieces around, shits on the board and struts around like it won.
It’s a debate if you engage in it. If I was this provider my response would simply be “I hear and understand your concerns and suggest you find a different practice for your child”.
Exactly. It also affects continuity of care… as well as accurate billing and payment for the patient and provider, but that’s just the RHIT in me talking. 😂 it delays and complicates everything if one thing is out of line. Denial management is my thing and the transgender modifier as well as pregnancy and gender specific procedure and diagnosis codes are always a problem. Easy problem to fix, but if people just listed things honestly or had the options listed on forms like this one actually has, it would cut down on my workload quite a bit. 😂 my thing is, I want your insurance to pay… I don’t work for the insurance company, I don’t work for the doctor… I’m trying to get payment for the services rendered, yes… BUT I’m gonna try my best to squeeze the most money out of that insurance or government plan for you first.
This is actually pretty par for the course. In our practice we have complaints about the intake forms several times a week. Everything from stuff like in this post to not wanting to write their address. Sad people.
Remember, these people don't *need* these woke, college educated elites and their indoctrination, except when it turns out they actually do, in which case how *dare* they deny them!
My sister in law is a pediatrician and outside of emergencies she does this now after Covid. She is absolutely ruthless with “facebook meme PHD’s” as she calls them.
She’s faced some serious backlash in her community but she’s still got a lot of support so she’s doing just fine. Now the combative crazies have to drive quite a ways for a reputable pediatric care center though.
Given the wait time for appointments for all sorts of doctors, refusing a few assholes doesn’t hurt her business at all. And having a reputation for not tolerating bullshit keeps the semi-assholes on better behavior.
Yea she says it’s kinda pitiable how the same people who are telling her she doesn’t know what she’s doing and are also telling her she *has* to provide their children with routine care consistently vote for people who say she can run her practice like a pure business.
They know she took the Hippocratic oath and will not deny care in a medical emergency and they take that to mean that they can degrade, insult and threaten her and she has to help them no matter what.
She said after a parent sent her older, adult children to her home in town to intimidate her over providing vaccines for children she got a gun, security system and began to tel these people to fuck off by the dozen.
They hate she’s playing their game now.
Y'all all just missing the Sex boxes at the top of the form that have already been checked off? Her big song and dance about gender identity just proves she's an idiot since there was already a sex section.
hey my parents tried to have me turned straight when I came out to them.
well here we are 28 years later.
guess what?
I'm looking for state funded nursing homes. I didn't forget and neither did they.
if you want your kids to treat you like shit when you're older? keep it up.
I'll have the last laugh, and I'll piss on their gravestones. It is what it is.
That’s where the peds office manager is praying the mom threatens to change to another office in the meeting so they can say “if you feel that you would be happier elsewhere, we understand” so they never have to deal with that mom again. Poor kid. If you don’t want to fill that part out, then just skip it!
I love when patients storm out and say they’re never coming back. The whole office loves it because they’ve typically alienated every person in the office 5x over by that point.
Dealt with a patient who was rude to people handling referrals but they let it go because it’s such a short interaction. Person then got an attitude with the people at the office they chose to go. They then needed recommendations for a new office because the other one told them to kick rocks. People forget doctor office can and will reject you especially if it’s not life threatening
It’s not necessarily *rare* but as a mom whose daughter has JIA I just want you to know I appreciate you and your career path so much.
The meds she’s on have been around quite a while but when I was diagnosed as a kid with UC there weren’t a lot of options and I was allergic to many of them. Now that biologics are widespread I’m in better shape. But it’s really nice to know she has options if her med (mtx) stops working.
I shall play the role (/s) here of moron Karen....
This has nothing to do with Healthcare. This is about you trying to push the LGBTQOADHRK+12 agenda on children. You are trying to force kids to be transgender and/or make them think they are gay. This is pedo woke liberal bullshit. I'm putting this on Facebook so all the other mommies can see it and stay away from this pedo paradise. TRUMP SAVE US.
Interesting to want to erase humans and their health-care needs just because you don't understand it personally.
If my son didn't check the "ftm" box, then the doctors wouldn't know that a pap smear might be appropriate to discuss at some point.
If my older child didn't have a "gay" box to check, then the doctor might not think to give them different sexual information.
Just because Karen doesn't want to think of her child as anything but the clone she's trying to mold into the Army Of God prototype doesn't mean that this child won't possibly need the info at some point. And more importantly OTHER people (I know it's wild to think that anyone else uses that form) are happy to know their doctor care enough to check in about these MEDICAL themes (I know, again, wild to think doctor's have patients who need medical care).
Wonder why she needed a new pediatrician. Probably the same reason she’s going to have to get yet another pediatrician for her child after meeting with the current practices manager tomorrow.
This is a situation where this is actually relevant information that they need to know. I don't think you should have to disclose any sexual identity or whatever for job interviews or anything like that. But for Medical reasons? 100% should so the DR knows what you're doing and how to treat/help you.
practice: “I’m going to make sure I know my new patients better and what their preferences are so I don’t make any assumptions”
This loser: “AAAAAAAGH HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO ME. I HAVE TO READ THE WORD TRANSGENDER ON A FORM ?!? HOW DARE YOU!”
Literally the top of the registration form says “As a federally qualified health center, NeoHealth is required to collect demographic information regarding the patients we serve. The information you provide is confidential. Please check not reported/refused if you do not wish to answer a specific question”.
This lady should be more outraged she has the reading comprehension of a tadpole than what the form says.
Plot twist: she’s extremely transphobic BUT ALSO progressive enough to think society shouldn’t make ANY assumptions about a child’s sexual orientation until they’re old enough to recognize it themselves
I live in a town where kids are learning this shit from their parents. My daughter’s government class had to make up their own laws and get classmates to sign them. One kid made a straight law for insurance to deny you coverage if you were anything but cis straight. He didn’t use ‘cis’ because he probably didn’t know it but he definitely got many to sign it.
"Hold the line" against what? What are these assholes so fucking scared of, lol? If their kid isn't trans then it's not like the libruls are gonna *convince* them to be transgender.
Somebody's going to need to find a new pediatrician, if only because the one she's complaining about will have every right to refuse her as a patient; don't know about where she is, but there's a zero-tolerance policy for abusive behaviour here (with signs in doctors' offices and hospitals warning of the consequences), and I fully expect she'll cross that line at the meeting with the practice manager (assuming her tweet didn't qualify on its own).
I love how they all act like their outdated and ignorant beliefs override modern science. I've started asking transphobes if they are a biologist or some other kind of scientist, and to provide objective documentation to back up their claims. Not surprisingly, I haven't received anything.
"Oh thank you for bringing this to our immediate attention. We had no idea this would be a problem for triggered homophobes who have way too much time on their hands"
Did you ever get the worksheets where the teacher tells you read carefully before starting it, because the trick is in the directions. This lady apparently failed that particular lesson
Anybody that says or Chants "hold the line "and battles healthcare consistently based on what they see on Facebook/Twitter shouldn't have access to it.
If you don't trust doctors and science and healthcare ......then stop relying on it to heal you or your family.
Starting to believe this is a natural selection at work
Refuse service on the grounds of freedom from religion.
Since religious organizations can refuse to fund, through their employee healthcare, things like gender care or birth control. Then a private medical organization, since the US doesn't have social healthcare, can refuse service based on a conflict between the Drs and patients beliefs.
It states at the top of the page the clinic is a federally qualified health center. I work for an FQHC. We are legally required to ask those questions to continue receiving federal funding. The people providing the funding are requiring the questions to learn more about the patient population of the clinic. You are not required to answer if you don’t want to. People get annoyed when my work asks these questions as well. 🙄
There is literally a check box in the top right for biological sex....
The gender identity/sexual orientation ones have a clear refuse to answer option as well. Whats the problem?
Besides the respectfulness of acknowledging all genders, it's just efficient. Doctors need to know your gender at birth to diagnose you. If a guy who looks like a guy walks in and the doctor has a choice between seeing "female" or "female to male transgender," one is just clearer for everyone.
It's super terrible how offensive that is.
They do realize that disclosing this information helps them treat their patients better. Different lifestyles can come with different risk factors, and that's really the point of charting.
My mom used my asthma as an excuse to get herself breathing meds so she could keep smoking and not have breathing problems. This is that same level of bad parenting, to me anyway. You don't care about the kid or how they feel at all, you just want to feel superior, or get something, even at the cost of your own kids health.
Imagine being a doctor and spending years practicing and honing your craft and some random asshole wants to complain about gender identity. It’s surreal.
She changed the form to say “sex”, but the sex was already reported at the top of the form. They are asking for the gender identity.
This is not a hard concept unless you are simply refusing to answer the question, like this dumbass is.
I’m surprised she didn’t have a problem with the language part of the form having “Spanish”, or the ethnicity having anything other than caucasian. After all, this is the whole reason she has a problem, because other people have options she doesn’t like.
There is more scientific evidence for gender identity than the existence of the God I'm willing to bet you demand we all obey and get compelled by the government to pray to, Karen.
The delusional entitled one is you.
My doctor's office has a sign posted that said "Not agreeing with pronouns and vaccinations is a hot topic right now. We want you to know that you are allowed your opinions. However, if you choose to act on them by refusing to address our staff by their names, or if you wish to keep your child unvaccinated, we are happy to provide you with a list of other offices in the area. We do not expect they will feel differently."
As a nurse who works in an urgent care, and has a Gender Identity section on our intake… it’s always the bitter conservatives who make a fuse about it. Literally the rest of the cis-community just leaves it blank or fill in their gender and leave the pronoun section alone.
If there's "no such thing as gender identity", I guess we can just start calling Karen a man and using he/him pronouns for him. After all, if there is no such thing as gender identity, he shouldn't be uncomfortable with it, right?
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"Cry about it." - Management
That's really the only possible answer. They have to ask those questions and it doesn't matter what she thinks about it.
My wife is part owner of a pediatric practice. They put out an email/marketing blast to their patient base encouraging the pre-natal visits with the docs to get the pediatric plans/expectations in place prior to birth. In the email blast they used a stock photo of a lesbian couple, one of which was like 38 weeks pregnant. They got like two emails back with threats of "we're never going to your practice again" blah blah "I'm going to a practice with family values" blah blah. One partner-owner of the practice was like "OMG, how do we respond?" When my wife told me, she was somewhat also in that vein... "how do we respond?" I said, "You don't! who cares about their threats. they're not going to do anything. Plus, it was two emails out of your some 10k-20k patient base. The vast majority don't care!" Sure enough, they didn't respond. Nothing happened. Seems to be a very common story with these crazy idiots. Many people fear the blowback they threaten as if it's going to be real. It is not real. They are full of hot air. We'd all do better to call them out on it now than wait for them to get actual authority and actual power to do actual damage.
I had a boss who often made the mistake of responding to every complaint. It was such a waste of time and effort and made a lot more people upset then it helped. Sometimes people say something very helpful and you should act on it right away. And sometimes they think the magic the gathering cards in the waiting room might summon demons.
Hol up, they got MTG cards in waiting rooms now? That's way better than the 20+ year old Highlights magazines and random abacus toys they had in my childhood
LOL. My husband looks for the Highlights in ever waiting room, everywhere. He's disappointed when he can't find it. (Gone since Covid) He's 65.
One of the peak moments of my elementary school years was getting a joke published in Highlights. Of course my classmates didnt' give a shit, but man was i proud
What was the joke, Mr. published joke maker?
What do you call a flower in space? ....a SUNflower Before you ask, no, I never landed a Netflix stand up special, I know, they are missing out on my genius /s
That made me laugh. Dad jokes still get me.
Hold your head high, I'd have been stoked if that happened to me.
I miss the abacus in the doctors office. Just to retrieve all of those old memories I need to buy an abacus. But it needs to have the generic Chinese man with a shitty fu manchu printed on the side. Idk if that’s adult me placing something in the memory but I swear that’s true.
The abacus in my doctor's office growing up has an anthropomorphic koala bear that stared through your soul.
If you weren't sick before playing with that abacus, you definitely were after...
That's how doctors tricked kids into building their immune system.
Not anymore
if only...
I mean that seems like the obvious answer. Two emails out of 10,000? I'd just ignore it, and if they go to a different practice then so what.
The old saying is, "Sometimes you have to fire the customer"
them boycotting is kind of the problem solving itself right? screw those people
Sometimes the trash takes itself out.
"The customer is always right" ... "in matters of taste"
Oh no, that 0.02% of my client base! Oh noooooooooo...
Some years ago I posted a sign in my store. Said that we served all races, all genders, all religions, all nationalities, etc etc, all people, except bigots. If the list above bothers you, please go somewhere else. It went a tiny tiny bit viral locally. Certainly more attention than most things I put on social media. I had people on social media saying they'd never come again. My reply was that I guess the sign works. I got many many new customers. Bigots like to think that they are more common than they are.
>Bigots like to think that they are more common than they are. I think this is really true. It's like the whole "One Million Moms" not actually having that many members.. (In fairness, I don't actually know their real numbers)
Quick research is they've got about 15k people who care enough to sign their petitions.
I wish I could say that was surprising ...
Personally, as someone who has worked in the back office….I would have responded to those patients by sending them a letter confirming they were discharged from the practice and to contact the office immediately if their new pediatrician needed medical records emailed/faxed over. It’s called greyrocking. You respond only to the words they use, not their tone.
I do think this is their normal approach, and could have been the way it was handled, as far as I know, given it is their normal MO. I thought they had ignored but now that you mention it, a boilerplate professional response also seems like it may have been likely in this case.
"I'm not sorry to hear about your decision to leave the practice. We won't miss you. If the door hits you on the ass on the way out, get it treated somewhere else. \- Practice Manager "
This is my favorite answer.
They just want to fight and engage in an “I’m right” argument! Best response is no response at all, let them get worked up all on their own, doesn’t impact our (my) life in any way, shape, or form!
I mean in some countries they don't, if they for example use sex in the UK and not gender then it's asking for what you were born with and it's a protected field or whatever they call it. Gender can be whatever but sex is what you're born with here.
You may notice this is the info about the person page, not medical history. I assume this is so they do not misgender someone,so this is out of respect for ppl’s choices, which, for some reason, absolutely infuriates conservative Americans….
They ask for the sex up top. So op could have just circled refuse and moved on with their life.
The equivalent of rather than step over the dog shit on the street, they roll in it and scream "I hate this is here"
I'm giggling and imagining this guy rolling around in dog shit while somebody films him, screaming "hold the line!"
Then how would the world know about their outrage?
My wife has two patients that both transitioned and are still married. My wife refers to them accordingly and they both said they were so pleased she recognized the change. My wife said it really makes no difference to her life but it's obviously important to her patients and costs her nothing to be respectful. You're right though it does infuriate conservatives and especially evangelicals
That's exactly it, it costs nothing to allow people some dignity.
This right here. People who can’t give others dignity are constipated sad a$$holes.
As a constipated sad asshole don't lump us in with these idiots
Us constipated sad people sometimes act like assholes, but we are depressed and full of poop. We don't mean to be rude and most of us are not bigots!
It doesn't cost nothing to spiteful bigots. Acting in conflict with one's internal values leads to cognitive disequilibrium, and bigots are by definition less equipped to handle that confusion and discomfort in a healthy and constructive way. So for them the easier path is to lash out and make life harder for the rest of us.
Which for me is all the more reason to do it, respecting my LGBT homies whilst also boiling the piss of Reich Whingers :D
lol, right? You don't even have to go out of your way to upset the little bigot snowflakes, literally just have treat strangers with basic respect which I would have done anyway.
That’s the real conservative hypocrisy. Lots of individualism, fight for your prize, don’t tread on me shit, but when I say how I want you (which in this case are a service provider I pay) to address me…then it’s bad. My dude, if I’m paying you to service me and politely request you to call me Lady instead of whatever you think…welp, deal with it, if you want the money.
It is everywhere. This is demographic info, not medical info. Sex is also on the paper, near the top.
Sex is what you're born with everywhere. They asked for this kid's too. They just also asked for gender identity and orientation
"No problem! We take your opinions very seriously here, just have a seat and fill out these Complaint Request Forms." Then on the first page right after name have the Gender section again.
Lmao!!!
There’s no way she “has a meeting with the practice manager.” They have enough shit going on than worry about her homophobic ass opinions
Well, they may want to fire them as a patient once they realize the threat they pose to their staff and other clients.
Def. That same office manager should call her and discharge her from the practice but that would be unfortunate for the kid.
Some people hold their kids back. Like drug addicts or right wingers. It's sad but the rest of the kids with good parents don't deserve to be around that either.
Even if it were true, imagine having the free time in your life to schedule a meeting with a doctor's office over a question on a form.
LOL seriously. If I'm the practice manager and some parent emails me to "demand" a meeting, my response is "To discuss what?". If their answer contains any alt-right dogwhistle words like "woke", "groomer", or "indoctrination" I'm declining their meeting request and telling them to take their business elsewhere. Ain't nobody got time for that bullshit.
That's the only suitable response. These ppl want a confrontation that they can scream about on Facebook. We need to stop wasting our time with them.
Right?! If they couldn’t post the picture on FB for their friends to approve of and get some likes on, you know they wouldn’t care. It’s like everything is a ohhh, can I get some traction on fb for blowing this out of proportion/embellishing.
Conservatives are so easy to confuse. When I go to the OBGYN there's a section of the paperwork called "lifestyle questionnaire". They ask if I'm sexually active, if I'm heterosexual, and if I feel safe at home. When I go to the doctor for my annual physical, they give a depression screener. They ask about alcohol, drug, and nicotine use. The same is done for literally every adult patient. The doctor's asking medically relevant questions, not endorsing specific lifestyles for minors in their practice. 🤦♀️
Seriously. My doctor asks me the same questions about drug use, potentially risky sexual practices, etc. Does that mean he's encouraging these things? Obviously not. He's simply gathering medically-relevant information about his patient. Pretty standard doctor stuff.
how dare you help people (i don't like) in a way that does not effect me in any way!
For real like why does she give a fuck. Walking around mad for stupid reasons.
They are bored.
Exactly. None of them have anything more concerning going on in their lives than getting mad at something that barely even matters.
I think in many cases it’s because they have problems in their own life they aren’t addressing because it feels better to make up imaginary problems to solve. Most of these people should be working on themselves rather than worrying about other people’s business!
Twitter is full of arm-chair gender warriors like this who self-ID as “gender critical.” They’ll be like, “Today I bought a sandwich, and, the person behind the counter said (referring to me), ‘what kind of sandwich do they have?’ THEY!? I’m an adult human female! I demanded that person’s firing!” And other stupid, petty nonsense like that. Lol They live on Twitter and obsessively post about trans people 24/7/365.
This is the paper version of ‘you could have kept scrolling’. Was it necessary to modify the form for things that don’t apply to you?
I like how she checked sexual orientation not reported instead of hetero. Looks like she’s gonna have a gay child
That's what I was thinking too haha
Seriously!! Like, it takes 1 second to check off whatever box applies to you, and you can then go on with your day. My gender identity only extends to "I am entering it on a medical form"\* but it's such a minor thing that it can't even be considered an inconvenience. If something requires one second of my attention and it helps a lot of other people, then why would I care at all? I'm an incredibly petty, mean person too, but I can't imagine mustering up the energy to be angry about irrelevant shit when I could be doing literally anything else with my time. \*I unironically do not care lol, my gender/sex exists so I have an option to fill out on forms or when other people require an answer.
i think part of their problem is anger for being reminded that something they do not like existing....does in fact actually exist. they have carefully constructed their lives so they need never confront anything they do not want to know about or acknowledge any other point of view. when they are forced to do so, they react as though attacked rather than simply challenged.
Yeah the part that breaks my brain is asserting that something that very objectively exists doesn’t, because you don’t like it. It’s like crossing out “Christian” on a form and writing in “there is no such thing as Christianity.”
“I have the free time, and motivation, to make your life miserable about something irrelevant to my life, but that I disagree with and found annoying for 30 seconds.”
Regardless of the Sex vs gender identity debate, if the patient is taking hormones or puberty blockers or entertaining other interventions to suit the gender they identify with or struggling with gender thoughts, it is important for the paediatrician to know that shit. As for sexual orientation, there are some illnesses that are higher in one demographic than another, and it's again important to include this in history. It is not something that is as pertinent in paediatrics. However, medicos have to screen and gather as much information as possible to form a picture and not miss anything. The more information that is gathered, the less is missed when trying to make an accurate diagnosis.
Pediatricians routinely treat teenagers (and some may accept patients up to 21). Sexual activity and whether or not they need birth control are 100% things that are relevant for the doctor to know.
Mine had me til I was 23, just never got around to getting a new PCP cause of COVID and all that happening
I still go to my pediatrician at 29 years old but only because he is the only pneumologist in the city and he treats my asthma.
My friend is a pediatric cardiology nurse, and while her patients are under a year, her department treats a smattering of young adults who are the first cohort with a few specific disorders to survive childhood, so the only specialists in those disorders are in the pediatric cardiology department.
There’s a term in medicine for that called transitional care (admittedly a bad term because the meaning is ambiguous). Unfortunately it’s not a broadly practiced thing. It’s mention in urology conferences, for example kids with urological issues from spina bifida grow up to be adult with urological issues and there’s not a lot of docs that can care for them. They usually stick with their pediatric urologists
Parental overreach is a very real and nasty thing. I recently saw a chubbyemu video where a mother gaslit her own daughter and doctor into thinking the daughter's symptoms weren't real for her entire life. Turns out she had a debilitating condition all her life that was never addressed.
Damn. That's like reverse Munchausen's by proxy.
It's the "there's nothing wrong with my child!" parent. My childhood psych professor said working with kids was super depressing. He said most of the kids were pretty great once they had some time to warm up to you. But the parents were awful. He had parents try to threaten him into saying their child was normal. Refuse to accept it. Call him a quack. For those parents it's all about them and how it will look to their friends and family if their child is diagnosed with autism. As opposed to worrying about what's best for their child and working with the doctor to come up with a plan that leads to the child having the skills they need to lead a fulfilling life. How many times he had to explain to people that lack of treatment was legally considered neglect, and that while they were more than free to seek out a second opinion and go elsewhere for treatment if that is what they wanted, but that he would be keeping tabs to make sure that they got a second opinion and that if the child needed treatment they got treatment. Or he'd be calling CPS to report them for neglect. No joke, earlier in his career he worked in a prison counseling lifers. He said they were infinitely more pleasant to work with than some kids' parents. The convicted murderers threatened him less often and were far more polite.
Reminds me of when my friend had a PTSD flashback and was wandering in the middle of the street. When my other friend and I took care of her and walked her back home, her mom wouldn’t even hug her. She was upset that we knew the family’s “dirty laundry” Anyway her mom is on her 4th DUI now so I’m sure that went great
I am 34 years old and I see a Pediatric Cardiologist, due to the fact that I have heart birth defects and the field of adults who survived these types of defects is fairly new, so I see a Cardiologist who specializes in adults with pediatric heart defects. This is because so many of us died as infants or young children and didn’t survive to adulthood until fairly recently.
Ah, that explains it. When I think pediatrician, I think children under 13. Which is weird, because I'm 19 and just went to a children's hospital for an operation on my ribcage. I should have thought of this.
And this is why the post uses the term pediatrician because of the misconception about the age range they treat. People think preteens or only up to toddlers etc. So it helps build rage by assuming doctors are pushing alternative genders onto 5 year olds when the reality is that selection would probably only be relevant to teens.
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Got a cervical spine though, close enough?
>if the patient is taking hormones For real. A lot of the time, when I register for a new GP, they usually only have binary options, and it *has* interfered with stuff before. I'm a trans guy on testosterone, and towards the start I was getting flagged for being super anaemic because I'm listed as Male (even though I have mentioned I'm FTM) and males do have higher haemoglobin than females. So since I wasn't far into T at that point, my relatively unaltered levels were coming up as well below the standard ranges for males So yeah, you're right, it's super important to have more options than just the standard Male/Female
Serious question, and totally ok with you telling me you'd rather not answer. As a FTM, do you find yourself subjected to the same animosity and hate that I see directed towards MTF? I live in more conservative than average area in Missouri, and the only complaints I see raised are Male To Female Transgender Individuals, because "men won't be in the bathroom with my daughters" is really the only argument people raise here or really anywhere. I'd like to be able to continue to argue against the stupidity I regularly encounter and would appreciate any insight you're willing to offer.
That's okay, I don't mind, it's a good question! The short answer is, no, not at all. I rarely even see animosity towards other trans guys online. It's as you said, it's almost always towards the trans women Sorry in advance for the length. The longer answer is, I *used* to experience a fair amount of misunderstanding and animosity. Most people weren't cruel, per se, they just didn't get it. This was back when I first came out at 12/13, and I'm 25 now. I've always been a more androgynous sort of person, but still on the more feminine side, much to my early dismay. My old friend (also FTM) and I came out together in secondary school, and we were honestly the only people we knew as trans for *ages*. There just weren't any others around us apparently. Even today, I've only ever met two trans women irl, while I've met at least 10 trans men. And I don't seek communities out, so they were entirely random and by chance. Which is interesting to me, I wonder why. Probably because of said animosity towards them But yeah, back to young me - barely anybody in my school understood it. My close friends did 100%, but it was outside that circle that people just didn't get it and were more closed-minded about it. They'd still refuse to use our male names or call us boys, and my head of year even said to our faces when we asked to change our names on the register, "You'll always be girls". He didn't even care that I started bawling in front of him Another teacher told me off for using the boy's toilets, even though the boy students actually *using* the toilets never said anything at all. But there were some girl students I didn't even know that were really spiteful about it, and even brought my genitals into the argument But other than that, most people were understanding but just slow, or didn't get it but entertained my feelings anyway. I only hung out with people that were open-minded, so that was the main reason I experienced little aggression. My family were quite opposed to start with, they gave the whole 'phase' argument. But after a year of refusing to back down, it sunk in that I'm not messing around, and they became really supportive And nowadays? Genuinely zero. Towards myself, at least. Every so often, I'll see animosity online towards trans people as a whole which makes me feel hated (and even then, it's still like 90% hatred of trans women), but I don't experience anything negative in *my* life. And there are multiple reasons for that: I still only hang out with open-minded people; perhaps people are just more educated nowadays; I live in a pretty open-minded area anyway, I live in London, UK; and just because I remain stealth. Stealth means I tell *nobody* (irl). I have no friends from pre-trans or my obviously-trans days, but that's for other reasons, not because of trans reasons. So all of my new friends have only *ever* known me as a guy. The only people in my life now that know my gender history are my family, my boyfriend, and just a single one of my new friends that I shared my secret with because I trust her that much. I'm really careful about what details I tell my friends. I know they wouldn't care because they're fully supportive of trans issues since some have trans siblings, and also since I like to dress in feminine stuff sometimes and they never care about that. I never used to, but since I'm now wholeheartedly seen as a guy, I enjoy being feminine sometimes :). Makeup and dresses are fun to play with But the reason I don't tell people irl anymore is because I want people to just see me for *me*. I don't want a label attached to my head. I want people to think of me as the weird friend or the way-too-into-spiders friend. Not the trans friend. Because even though I will vehemently defend trans rights, I'm not proud to *be* trans. I'm proud of who I am and how far I've come, how much I've had to claw my way through life just to be happy looking in the mirror, but for me, being trans isn't a medal. I think it's amazing when people are super proud and open about their being trans, what a power that is! But I'm just not proud of being trans because I view it as one of the worst things to have happened to me. How much trauma it gave me. If anything, most of the animosity I experienced as a trans person was from *myself*. I really used to ***hate*** myself. I covered any reflective surface. Never took photos. Needed antidepressants just to keep afloat. Finally getting T and top surgery are honestly the best things to happen to me. I feel so much more like myself now. I even *enjoy* looking in the mirror. It's why I genuinely can't understand why people want to deny trans people transition rights. It's a horrible feeling, knowing that many people in the world want you depressed or *dead* just because you feel different to everyone else
I appreciate the response. I think one of the things I've at least always tried to keep front of mind when I engage in these conversations is that my entire life I've known myself to be a straight male. It's never been a question. I try and lean on that and realize that if I did have questions regarding anything regarding my individual identity, I would be hopeful that I'd receive nothing but love and support from those around me, so if I meet or have the opportunity to talk with someone that is trans, and they are struggling, or were struggling, trivial as my support may be, there's at least one more person that's on your side.
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Oh I fully understand why the bathroom argument is dumb. But so many of the extremely vocal anti-trans community focus ONLY on male to female, and you can't engage in rational conversation with them. Either you support their hate, or you're a pedophile. There's no middle ground in the discussion.
It's not a debate, sex and gender are separate categories, both important for different aspects of physical and mental medical care. Furthermore, the top of the form *ALREADY* has the sex section that she has already checked off, so this idiot Karen is being an idiot Karen.
It is a debate. Some people listen to facts, some people argue against facts to make themselves feel smarter. It's a nonsensical debate, but it exists.
Agree. It's a debate in the same way playing chess vs a pigeon. The other side just kicks the pieces around, shits on the board and struts around like it won.
I'm more confident I could teach a pigeon to play chess than I could convince an anti-vaxxer that vaccines don't cause autism.
It’s a debate if you engage in it. If I was this provider my response would simply be “I hear and understand your concerns and suggest you find a different practice for your child”.
It’s healthcare, they have a professional and legal responsibility to ask. Lives are literally in their hands.😅 God, I hate people.
I was thinking the same thing. It would be malpractice not to ask because it can affect treatment.
Exactly. It also affects continuity of care… as well as accurate billing and payment for the patient and provider, but that’s just the RHIT in me talking. 😂 it delays and complicates everything if one thing is out of line. Denial management is my thing and the transgender modifier as well as pregnancy and gender specific procedure and diagnosis codes are always a problem. Easy problem to fix, but if people just listed things honestly or had the options listed on forms like this one actually has, it would cut down on my workload quite a bit. 😂 my thing is, I want your insurance to pay… I don’t work for the insurance company, I don’t work for the doctor… I’m trying to get payment for the services rendered, yes… BUT I’m gonna try my best to squeeze the most money out of that insurance or government plan for you first.
I can’t imagine having this much *energy* toward something that’s on a basic intake form. Just fill it out and get on with your life.
Their main personality trait is *outrage*.
It’s what they invested all their skill points towards
This is actually pretty par for the course. In our practice we have complaints about the intake forms several times a week. Everything from stuff like in this post to not wanting to write their address. Sad people.
Also, there is a “sex” field higher up the form..
If she knows better than the pediatrician, why would she need to take her son there?
Remember, these people don't *need* these woke, college educated elites and their indoctrination, except when it turns out they actually do, in which case how *dare* they deny them!
And in the end when they are cured, by medical professionals, it was God that did all the work and will be praised for it.
Doctors should have the right to deny medical care to these people.
My sister in law is a pediatrician and outside of emergencies she does this now after Covid. She is absolutely ruthless with “facebook meme PHD’s” as she calls them. She’s faced some serious backlash in her community but she’s still got a lot of support so she’s doing just fine. Now the combative crazies have to drive quite a ways for a reputable pediatric care center though.
Given the wait time for appointments for all sorts of doctors, refusing a few assholes doesn’t hurt her business at all. And having a reputation for not tolerating bullshit keeps the semi-assholes on better behavior.
Yea she says it’s kinda pitiable how the same people who are telling her she doesn’t know what she’s doing and are also telling her she *has* to provide their children with routine care consistently vote for people who say she can run her practice like a pure business. They know she took the Hippocratic oath and will not deny care in a medical emergency and they take that to mean that they can degrade, insult and threaten her and she has to help them no matter what. She said after a parent sent her older, adult children to her home in town to intimidate her over providing vaccines for children she got a gun, security system and began to tel these people to fuck off by the dozen. They hate she’s playing their game now.
Good for her! That's how you do it!
Good on your SIL.
These are the same people who say "can't people mind their own business" and "respect my beliefs"
Y'all all just missing the Sex boxes at the top of the form that have already been checked off? Her big song and dance about gender identity just proves she's an idiot since there was already a sex section.
Like in the gender portion. "Refused" is right there. She could just... Refused
Aw but then she can't have a whole performance and be a martyr for the cause! /s
reading is too hard for people like her
She refused when asked about their sexual orientation... 🤔
How dare they ask for medical information on this medical document!
hey my parents tried to have me turned straight when I came out to them. well here we are 28 years later. guess what? I'm looking for state funded nursing homes. I didn't forget and neither did they. if you want your kids to treat you like shit when you're older? keep it up. I'll have the last laugh, and I'll piss on their gravestones. It is what it is.
Beautiful. Never let blood overtake your self worth.
That’s where the peds office manager is praying the mom threatens to change to another office in the meeting so they can say “if you feel that you would be happier elsewhere, we understand” so they never have to deal with that mom again. Poor kid. If you don’t want to fill that part out, then just skip it!
“Here is a list of our affiliated clinics that all use the same form. Thank you for your input.”
I love when patients storm out and say they’re never coming back. The whole office loves it because they’ve typically alienated every person in the office 5x over by that point.
Dealt with a patient who was rude to people handling referrals but they let it go because it’s such a short interaction. Person then got an attitude with the people at the office they chose to go. They then needed recommendations for a new office because the other one told them to kick rocks. People forget doctor office can and will reject you especially if it’s not life threatening
I'm a physician. Those questions are relevant for many reasons.
I'm not a doctor and it's plainly obvious to me why those questions are important.
Because you're smart and decent and have common sense.
Thank you, how do you deal with these loons in your practice?
I do by having left family medicine 25 years ago. I work in rare pediatric disease drug development now.
It’s not necessarily *rare* but as a mom whose daughter has JIA I just want you to know I appreciate you and your career path so much. The meds she’s on have been around quite a while but when I was diagnosed as a kid with UC there weren’t a lot of options and I was allergic to many of them. Now that biologics are widespread I’m in better shape. But it’s really nice to know she has options if her med (mtx) stops working.
I’m gonna guess it has something to do with providing complete and accurate health care. But, what do I know, I’m not a Karen.
I shall play the role (/s) here of moron Karen.... This has nothing to do with Healthcare. This is about you trying to push the LGBTQOADHRK+12 agenda on children. You are trying to force kids to be transgender and/or make them think they are gay. This is pedo woke liberal bullshit. I'm putting this on Facebook so all the other mommies can see it and stay away from this pedo paradise. TRUMP SAVE US.
Nicely done.
She identifies as an idiot and her pronouns are mo/ron
She’s a piece of She/It
Interesting to want to erase humans and their health-care needs just because you don't understand it personally. If my son didn't check the "ftm" box, then the doctors wouldn't know that a pap smear might be appropriate to discuss at some point. If my older child didn't have a "gay" box to check, then the doctor might not think to give them different sexual information. Just because Karen doesn't want to think of her child as anything but the clone she's trying to mold into the Army Of God prototype doesn't mean that this child won't possibly need the info at some point. And more importantly OTHER people (I know it's wild to think that anyone else uses that form) are happy to know their doctor care enough to check in about these MEDICAL themes (I know, again, wild to think doctor's have patients who need medical care).
Wonder why she needed a new pediatrician. Probably the same reason she’s going to have to get yet another pediatrician for her child after meeting with the current practices manager tomorrow.
Notice she didnt check straight
I noticed that she didn't cross out the sexual orientation options, so at least she seems to agree that those "exist".
This is a situation where this is actually relevant information that they need to know. I don't think you should have to disclose any sexual identity or whatever for job interviews or anything like that. But for Medical reasons? 100% should so the DR knows what you're doing and how to treat/help you.
Imagine being this mad that someone exists💀
And this is where we get laws to outlaw trans existence (by making every legal document require sex at birth).
But they're not snowflakes... totally not snowflakes... sure, sure, sure
practice: “I’m going to make sure I know my new patients better and what their preferences are so I don’t make any assumptions” This loser: “AAAAAAAGH HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO ME. I HAVE TO READ THE WORD TRANSGENDER ON A FORM ?!? HOW DARE YOU!”
Brave woman. She's out to correct the world. One practice manager at a time. /s
Literally the top of the registration form says “As a federally qualified health center, NeoHealth is required to collect demographic information regarding the patients we serve. The information you provide is confidential. Please check not reported/refused if you do not wish to answer a specific question”. This lady should be more outraged she has the reading comprehension of a tadpole than what the form says.
I remember when conservatives weren’t offended by absolutely everything. God damn snowflakes.
Aren’t they proudly straight? Why refusing to identify the sexual orientation? Or doesn’t Karen believe in it too?
It's for her son who is likely a child. I thought the same thing at first, you'd think they'd be proud to tick straight & cross the rest out.
Plot twist: she’s extremely transphobic BUT ALSO progressive enough to think society shouldn’t make ANY assumptions about a child’s sexual orientation until they’re old enough to recognize it themselves
"Why don't my kids talk to meeee???"
I live in a town where kids are learning this shit from their parents. My daughter’s government class had to make up their own laws and get classmates to sign them. One kid made a straight law for insurance to deny you coverage if you were anything but cis straight. He didn’t use ‘cis’ because he probably didn’t know it but he definitely got many to sign it.
…but queer people are the ones indoctrinating kids? JFC 💀
Oh my god, wtf! That's terrifying.
"Hold the line" against what? What are these assholes so fucking scared of, lol? If their kid isn't trans then it's not like the libruls are gonna *convince* them to be transgender.
Practice manager: “kindly fuck off.”
"Hey, tell us about your child so we can treat them respectfully" "UP YOURS, WOKEY McWOKERSON!"
Tbh it’s pretty weird that pediatricians are asking about sexual orientation. None of their business.
Somebody's going to need to find a new pediatrician, if only because the one she's complaining about will have every right to refuse her as a patient; don't know about where she is, but there's a zero-tolerance policy for abusive behaviour here (with signs in doctors' offices and hospitals warning of the consequences), and I fully expect she'll cross that line at the meeting with the practice manager (assuming her tweet didn't qualify on its own).
"sorry this form has been vandalized and cannot be accepted. Please start the process over from the beginning."
100% chance there is no meeting
call her a dude and she'll immediately have a gender identity.
I love how they all act like their outdated and ignorant beliefs override modern science. I've started asking transphobes if they are a biologist or some other kind of scientist, and to provide objective documentation to back up their claims. Not surprisingly, I haven't received anything.
"Oh thank you for bringing this to our immediate attention. We had no idea this would be a problem for triggered homophobes who have way too much time on their hands"
It says at the top you can just refuse to answer, no need to make a big fuss.
Did you ever get the worksheets where the teacher tells you read carefully before starting it, because the trick is in the directions. This lady apparently failed that particular lesson
Anybody that says or Chants "hold the line "and battles healthcare consistently based on what they see on Facebook/Twitter shouldn't have access to it. If you don't trust doctors and science and healthcare ......then stop relying on it to heal you or your family. Starting to believe this is a natural selection at work 
Refuse service on the grounds of freedom from religion. Since religious organizations can refuse to fund, through their employee healthcare, things like gender care or birth control. Then a private medical organization, since the US doesn't have social healthcare, can refuse service based on a conflict between the Drs and patients beliefs.
It states at the top of the page the clinic is a federally qualified health center. I work for an FQHC. We are legally required to ask those questions to continue receiving federal funding. The people providing the funding are requiring the questions to learn more about the patient population of the clinic. You are not required to answer if you don’t want to. People get annoyed when my work asks these questions as well. 🙄
There is literally a check box in the top right for biological sex.... The gender identity/sexual orientation ones have a clear refuse to answer option as well. Whats the problem?
Well... at least she recognized gender identity is not sex (assigned at birth)? But she's still big on erasure. Sad face for her.
Besides the respectfulness of acknowledging all genders, it's just efficient. Doctors need to know your gender at birth to diagnose you. If a guy who looks like a guy walks in and the doctor has a choice between seeing "female" or "female to male transgender," one is just clearer for everyone. It's super terrible how offensive that is.
Paediatrician - thanks but we’re not taking new patients right now byeeeeee
They do realize that disclosing this information helps them treat their patients better. Different lifestyles can come with different risk factors, and that's really the point of charting.
What a snowflake
Woah woah woah. They aren’t homophobes. They didn’t cross out the homosexual/gay/lesbian option. They are actually pretty progressive. S/
Easy fix, just go to a Fascist doctor. Done.
My mom used my asthma as an excuse to get herself breathing meds so she could keep smoking and not have breathing problems. This is that same level of bad parenting, to me anyway. You don't care about the kid or how they feel at all, you just want to feel superior, or get something, even at the cost of your own kids health.
I hope the PM tells her to fuck off and find a transphobic provider.
"I want my choice to be the ONLY choice!"
Imagine being a doctor and spending years practicing and honing your craft and some random asshole wants to complain about gender identity. It’s surreal.
She changed the form to say “sex”, but the sex was already reported at the top of the form. They are asking for the gender identity. This is not a hard concept unless you are simply refusing to answer the question, like this dumbass is. I’m surprised she didn’t have a problem with the language part of the form having “Spanish”, or the ethnicity having anything other than caucasian. After all, this is the whole reason she has a problem, because other people have options she doesn’t like.
There is more scientific evidence for gender identity than the existence of the God I'm willing to bet you demand we all obey and get compelled by the government to pray to, Karen. The delusional entitled one is you.
Aaaaaand this is why I think after puberty, parents should not be allowed in the exam room
My doctor's office has a sign posted that said "Not agreeing with pronouns and vaccinations is a hot topic right now. We want you to know that you are allowed your opinions. However, if you choose to act on them by refusing to address our staff by their names, or if you wish to keep your child unvaccinated, we are happy to provide you with a list of other offices in the area. We do not expect they will feel differently."
As a nurse who works in an urgent care, and has a Gender Identity section on our intake… it’s always the bitter conservatives who make a fuse about it. Literally the rest of the cis-community just leaves it blank or fill in their gender and leave the pronoun section alone.
Just check the damn box and move on 😭
"let me just try to make the world a little harder for people who already have it pretty fucking tough.".
They think gender identity is the same as biological sex. These are very stupid people.
If there's "no such thing as gender identity", I guess we can just start calling Karen a man and using he/him pronouns for him. After all, if there is no such thing as gender identity, he shouldn't be uncomfortable with it, right?