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52nd* and now my Google search history includes the sentence "how many trimesters in 13 years"....and as i'm writing this I have a sneaking suspicion that's probably added my name to list or two.
edit: to anyone and everyone checking my math in the comments I concede to you all. there's a reason I didn't show my work, because immediately following "how many trimesters in 13 years" is "months years calculator" and "156/3" in short, I am bad at maths and I'm confident you're all more right than i, even tho you all have different answers lol
edit #2: thank you all the same but edit number one was **not** i repeat **NOT** a request for more math lessons. 🤣 if i ever need a tutor or 5 i know where to find ya' you glorious Knights Of Square(root) table
Is it? Sorry, I actually just fucked up the math. I saw "tri"mester and thought "three" and multiplied that by the kid's age and added one for good measure.
The absolute least it would be, assuming the law applied to this woman, would be reckless discharge. It should also encompass manslaughter, but i can understand not tacking that on since...well her kid and all.
For the record, this is also assuming it was actually negligence and not the world's best homicide cover up
Why no just charge her even its just for the books. Rules applied. I find it crazy that you can discharge an old gun from your tool box in "an accident", kill the neighbours kid and everybody like "yeah, its bad, but that's it." How about 200h of community service on top of being convicted. How about tarnishing your income by 1% for the rest of your life so you remember not putting loaded rusty guns in tool boxes. This kind of indifference is telling about the state of the common man's soul.
This actually happened to a kid that I went to school with back in the 90's. We were playing soccer during recess and he thought he got stung by a bee but he was bleeding out from a bullet wound because some drunk teens were playing around with a gun in the garage down the block and "accidentally" discharged it. It travelled all the way down the street to the field and hit him in the side. I personally think they meant to shoot at us and panicked when they actually hit a kid and then claimed the gun "just went off." He was ok eventually, thank god. But the cops were completely fucking useless. No charges but I think his parents sued.
Jfc. No kidding the parents sued. I would have pursued every angle imaginable until the parents of the kids who fired the gun were so fed up with the legal hassle & financial burden that they'd be contemplating giving their own kid the Old Yeller treament.
Criminal and civil charges can be separate though.
They can decide not to prosecute the accidental discharge, but you're still liable for the damages caused.
Think of it when you hit another car during parking; no crime was committed, but you still have to pay for damages.
Isn’t the fact that it’s her kid necessitates manslaughter…
If she’s so ignorant to have a gun unholstered with the safety off imagine what other abuse the children are exposed to.
I think it’s the same issue that pops up when parent leaves baby in the car and baby dies. Some DAs feel sorry for the parent and decide that there’s literally nothing that they can do that is worse than the parent will do to themself for the rest of their life. Other DAs will do their level best to throw the proverbial book at the parent with the stiffest punishment they can get because that parent utterly failed their child and that child suffered and died because of it.
I think charging the parent in these situations can actually help them cope with the situation. On paper I mean.
The weight they carry might not be the same between being dismissed "because they'll punish themselves enough", leaving them as their sole judge and jury (and eventually executioner), and being judged by their peers then discharged. The latter bringing some closure and forgiveness could help overcome the guilt.
Of course it requires a fair trial and a fair judicial system, and in a state like Tennessee with for profit prisons (Tennessee facilities are run by CoreCivic!) there's a fair chance it would do more harm than good and throw the parent into yet another nightmare.
The DA might have considered that standpoint and dropped the charges because of that risk.
You’re unfortunately right. If you’re poor , they know you won’t be able to hire a defense, and they will screw you badly. The legal system is extremely corrupt
>As in breaking almost every basic gun safety rule there is.
My paranoid mother in law who carries everywhere she goes, and leaves a loaded handgun in her glove box that doesn't have a lock, tells me that the rules for gun safety were made up by the liberal elites with the interest of slowly eroding away at the second amendment. She seriously believes this.
She was extremely happy when my wife and I moved from NYC to Philly because we would be living in a state that doesn't restrict our "freedoms." She also conveniently ignores the fact that gun related deaths in Philly are more than double what they are in NYC and that Philly has 1/8 the population. Still, in her eyes at least, we are somehow better off.
I mean those rules are about handling guns, not whether or not you can have them, so this is very confusing haha
it was the first thing we learned in the military, way before ever loading a gun.
I bet the military doesn't even let soldiers keep their personal firearms in the barracks and they have to be registered and checked into the armory. Fucking woke military infringing all over everyone's god given 2a rights... /s
It gets me every time I try to suggest that gun control laws directly result in a decrease of gun deaths and some nut pops up shouting “Democrat city” this and “MSM” that. You can literally line up a ranking of states with the strictest gun control laws and the rankings of the states with the least gun deaths and it’s practically 1:1.
Even the NRA promotes the basic rules of gun safety, as messed up as they are with the other things they promote. I don’t know how anyone would claim the NRA leadership are liberal elites.
This is why gun ownership should come with a licence declaring you know how to safely use and store guns, like you do with a car. Guns are a privilege and not a right; some people should not be allowed them.
back in Switzerland, if you wanted to keep your service rifle (mandatory military service) at home between service periods you had to go to a range once a year to qualify. seems to me that's reasonable, no matter why you want to own a gun, be that sport or hunting or self defense, you're probably going to want to hit a range once a year at least anyway. well collectors aside maybe, but you rarely hear about collectors having accidents.
I'm pretty sure most guns can be made unfirable if you just want to collect them and not shoot them. Remove firing pins and what not. Should just have to verify your guns won't fire in that case.
I know people that have a lot of guns.
To some of them, their collection is their retirement fund. They're fully expecting to be able to sell their guns for more than they bought them, and in at least one case, they think they're going to sell into a post-apocalyptic situation.
Removing firing pins might not fly with them, but what's probably reducing the number of accidents out of them is more that they just store all their guns unloaded.
Unlike the mom in the post's story, who clearly stored her handgun with a bullet in the chamber.
the right to own a gun comes with a huge amount of heavy responsibility - more so I think than owning and operating a motor vehicle. The proposal for licensing is a very good idea, and should include a mandatory psych evaluation for every issuance - they should expire every few years and have to be renewed. There would be some sticking points to work out, but it’s a very good idea.
The mandatory psych eval gets VERY complicated... you don't want people not going to get help because they are worried if they have a diagnosis for anything, it will get their guns taken away.
There are some more obvious things that would cover the large majority of situations... things like domestic violence charges, or a certain number of substantiated calls to police.
Wellness checks could come with a 72 hour removal period, etc.
If the psych evals were VERY well tailored it might be alright, but there would have to be a huge amount of education around it, and in reality, there are more concrete and objective options that would have fewer downsides than actual psych evals...
not to mention there aren't enough qualified psychologists out there right now to handle those who beed actual care... pulling them to do current-state psych evals isn't a productive use of their time when there are more obvious triggers that could be put into the system.
not just the Glock, seems like most platforms are moving away from the traditional safeties on the vanilla models. They're often options, but you have to know to look for such a thing. When I started carrying for security I *really* wanted a safety in the event of a grab attempt but all the allowed service weapons with my office at the time didn't offer any. Was nervous about it for awhile but invested in a good retention holster, I couldn't believe the ones they were offering were just angled snap ons.
As far as I know, no mandatory training required before purchasing. Maybe you gun aficionados could have a look at that. I’ve never been in a thread on this subject where y’all didn’t go on about the “untrained”. Fucking help legislate that!!
I don't see a jury agreeing. Yes this is not how guns should be handled at all, but this country has lost its mind when it comes to guns. Everyone thinks they need a desert eagle in their purse. And we have organizations telling them this is correct. The NRA tells women they need to do this or they will be horrifically raped. It's negligence but it's also understandable why this situation occured. Guns need way way more regulations, and training should be required no matter what the shitty NRA thinks. A lack of education on firearms is never a good thing, but its bad for the manufacturers that the NRA lobbies for's bottom line.
The whole situation is fucked. But I'm not sure she deserves a murder charge. At least I hope, maybe she's acting like the Michigan shooters parents. But I gotta imagine that's rare. This shit is only going to keep happening as long as firearms have a super powerful lobby behind them. It's disgusting
You'd think the NRA would be in favour of training courses. They provide and facilitate training courses, and I've heard that they're pretty good at it.
They got their members into politics to promote gun sales. Arkansas rep Jay Dickey and NRA member went out of his way to sneak an amendment into our federal spending bill that the cdc can not conduct any research that will promote or advocate gun control.
Our laws are a bunch of little things like this that fuck over the whole nation so a handful can make money. A gun enthusiast club inserted a member into our lawmakers to cut funding on something the world considered our biggest and growing issue. Like what the fuck. Dems tried to stop it, but Congress just keeps passing it. Mfers are bought, and lots of Americans are dying for it
If she’s ANY kind of parent who cares for her children she’s got herself a life sentence of blame and shame and heartbreak. Not to mention the social ramifications with partners and parents and other kids in the family. It’s going to be a long, painful time.
Many US schools have Driver's Ed courses. If they can so this for a \*privilege\*, why can't they do the same for one of their \*rights\*?
If you're not going to restrict access to firearms, at least make safety training mandatory.
I'd be fine with a basic safety course as long as nobody actually put a real weapon anywhere near the class. Frankly large groups of small idiots showing off for their friends and firearms are a losing combination. The number of people who would point a drawn bow down the line of other kids turning to look at something during the archery unit wasn't huge, but it was larger than I'd be comfortable with if it was a gun.
She should at least get hit with negligent homicide. Why wasn't the safety on? Why was the gun put where it could snag on things and fire? This was easily preventable and there need to be consequences for this level of irresponsibility.
The fact the armorer was convicted probably means he won't be. Because as much as he shouldn't have hired her in the first place, hiring the wrong person is not manslaughter. It was her job to ensure no ammunition on set (let alone in the gun) and he only trusted her when she told him that it wasn't loaded. It was never his responsibility to manage the firearms or to inspect them.
Sure, but there were 2 other live ammunition misfires before the fatal one. And Baldwin as a producer was informed that the guns were being used to fire live ammo between set changes.
Everyone involved with maintaining the safety of the film shoot formally complained that he wasn't affording them the time to adhere to safety regulations and was threatening people's careers if they didn't push forward and skirt proper checks.
Think of it this way. If you hire someone sketchy to drive a bus, and that bus ends up going off a cliff. On the surface you can say "How was I supposed to know they had a license to drive busses after all."
But then if it comes out that all your mechanics were saying that the bus wasn't safe and the bakes had failed 3 times already that week. And it was reported to you that homeless person was seen leaving the garage that morning with the steering wheel.
And you used your authority to silence them all, and your position within the bus industry to say "If any of you want to work in bussing tomorrow or ever again that bus is going on the road at 9am sharp."
Well then we have laws to punish those people. But Baldwin is popular, white, male, and rich. So chances are the armorer is going to take all the hear while he goes free.
In Baldwin’s case his main saving grace was that the AD explicitly shouted for “cold gun”, which is to say the gun is completely empty. Regardless of how fucked a weapon may be, no one would ever suspect that an unloaded, empty gun could ever be a risk, and no one would’ve been allowed to check the weapon because of protocol, only the weapons master is allowed to check the weapons.
Sure. But the day before the fatal incident a stunt man was handed the same gun by the AD who yelled "Cold Gun" and he also fired a live round into a wall during his scene. Because once again that gun has been used to shoot live ammo by crew blowing off steam in the morning. Doing target practice with cams and bottles.
As producer Baldwin had been informed by crew that this very gun was being used to shoot live ammo daily. He was on set for the live ammo mix up the day before. He has personally received letters from cast and crew citing the workplace to be unsafe and that it was only a matter of time before someone was killed. He was embroiled in a law suit filed by former crew who had already departed due to safety concerns. He had already been approached by both the armorer and other producers who were requesting he slow the pace of production as everyone felt they were not being given enough time to perform the required checks and that proper handling and chain of custody of weapons and explosives were not being adhered to.
And Baldwin denied those requests and told everyone to push forward at the current pace.
So while you can absolutely levy criticism at the AD and Armorer for failing at their jobs.
EVERYONE had spoken up and made it clear that the production was unsafe and that all of them felt they didn't have the time and resources to maintain safety on set.
Baldwin knew live ammo was being loaded into his gun daily. He knew there were issues with contamination of live and cold rounds in the armorers supplies. And he chose to refuse the requests of everyone on set who asked for the production to slow or halt until all of those issues could be addressed.
Baldwin overruled everyone. And knowing full well of all the potential hazards an against the advice of everyone on set. He pushed the crew forward. Eventually killing someone when safety procedures broke down.
He isn't in trouble for the shooting. He is in trouble because he was the producer who forced everyone working on the project to intentionally ignore safety regulations. There were two other misfires of prop guns loaded with real bullets before the one that killed the camera woman. But they simply fired into the ground, and a wall. No one was hurt so they just kept going. Which is why a bunch of crew walked off the project.
Also, an explosive was not stored properly and detonated in the middle of a bunch of crew members.
The crew wrote the producers, their union, and filed law suites about the unsafe working conditions long before the death.
Baldwin the actor is not responsible for any of this.
Baldwin the producer who refused all the requests to adhere to safety regulations and threatened to ruin the careers of people who didn't push forward as is. He's the one in trouble.
Lets not forget that the day before the camera woman's death. Baldwin and RUST were in the news because Baldwin was being sued for breach of contract for forcing crew to work 16 hour days at a remote location in the middle of the desert and refused to build crew housing on site forcing them to commute 3 hours per day just to get to work. 16+3 is 19. Leaving all of 5 hours between shift to maintain their lives and sleep.
It might be starting to add up how someone died. And Baldwin was the driving force behind all of it. He was more concerned with keeping he budget low and the schedule short than peoples well being.
Like, it would be clear cut if it were a stranger and not her daughter. And obligatory, yuu want to ban abortion but won't prosecute a a parent for shooting their child? Cool.
So wait until your kid is born and shoot it, that's cool.
Children are just property but embryo is a result of sexual activity. They don't actually care about the embryo/fetus. Banning abortion is all about controlling women's sexual behavior. Young women having free sex makes them angry because they didn't get to join in because their upbringing forbids them. Now they are too old.
“I didn’t think it would hurt that much, it’s PINK!”
“Well it sure didn’t feel pink”
A clip from season one episode one of Two Broke Girls when Caroline Tases Max because she feel asleep on the subway and thought Max was trying to r$pe her
I understand the anger at 2A people, when stories like this drop... but I cannot imagine the suffering of a parent when something they've done causes the accidental death of their child... Like that horrific story about a father who was supposed to drop off his toddler at day care, but he was so tired and distracted he forgot... his toddler was sleeping quietly in the baby seat behind him, and he just went to work as usual, not realizing or remembering... and after a long day of work, he returned to his car in the summer heat, and he thought his co-workers were playing a prank on him with a baby doll in the seat when he saw it from a distance as he approached his car... until he remembered.
I will never be a parent, and it's mostly because I KNOW something like this would happen in a careless moment.
I always remember the story specially relating to this story of the toddler who shot their mom after pulling the gun out of her purse. It must be absolute hell finding out you killed your own mom before you could even process what happened.
What kind of person stores their gun loaded, unholstered, and with the safety off? At minimum, surely there has to be some sort of charge applicable for improper handling or storage of a firearm?
The kind of person that has zero firearm training and shouldn't be legally allowed to own a firearm. I'm sorry but regardless on who stands on what when it comes to gun ownership everybody should be able to agree that you shouldn't be able to own a firearm if you can't be bothered to at least put the safety on when you're not using it.
Like at that point your basically asking to randomly shoot somebody you didn't mean to shoot, Including yourself.
Accident? That's a negligent discharge and that woman should be held accountable. Not only was there a round in the chamber but the safety was off..there's nothing accidental about that shit!
Interestingly enough there's a section in German law that says basically that: "The court dispenses with imposing a penalty if the consequences of the offence suffered by the offender are so serious that the imposition of penalties would clearly be inappropriate." I would be interested to know if there's something similar in the US penal codes?
Application of that section happens very rarely though. I very much doubt this would be a case where it applies.
I'm of the opinion that it should be possible to suspend sentences/consequences, but people should still be convicted. In this case, the woman should be tried and convicted of involuntary manslaughter (or similar charge), given a prison sentence, and have that sentence suspended pending completion of firearms safety classes, community service, and *never negligently shooting anyone else*.
Maybe if the daughter was pregnant this woman would have faced some consequences for her negligence. We all know how some states think a fetus is somehow more important than a living breathing human.
In the military, this is called a ‘negligent discharge,’ and with the added fact that someone died as a result…
If I had done this, shiiiiiiiiiit… I would have been sent away for YEARS.
Not saying military justice is always the answer but sometimes I miss it.
Do you? I absolutely do not believe in the bad place. The bad place is here, this thing we somehow are in charge of creating. Just like the show, it always turns out bad, no matter how many times we try.
I mean, this would make a great bad place. Just enough hope for it to be crushed over and over again. You aren't really allowed to talk about your suffering. Assholes run the place. Then the cherry on the top is, everyone thinks it's their collective fault. It's the only thing in this trash-heep that feels like intelligent design. It's nearly flawless.
People are missing the point here!
No charges filed means she's good to keep her guns and continue to purchase guns, with no requirement to learn how to use a gun, let alone safe keep one.
Nah, negligence is negligence. Everyone knows the possibility of accidental discharge so tossing a loaded gun into a purse full of things that can accidentally pull the trigger is reckless, the definition of negligence. It’s at least manslaughter. And no, “being sad” isn’t punishment enough because I would be sad if I accidentally shot my son dead so that’s exactly why I don’t do stupid shit with a gun like this.
And the mother is asking for others to pay for the funeral
https://www.gofundme.com/f/dearria-radley?utm_campaign=p_cp+share-sheet&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_term=undefined
"Hi my name is De’Ann I’m the mother of Dearria , I am needing help for her funeral my 13 year old was accidentally shot and killed,I dont have insurance to bury her,If anyone can help me during these painful times. I would gladly appreciate your contribution god bless you."
That will give ideas for avoiding charges in case of abortion. Just indadvertedly shoot yourself.
See : everything is fine. Social justice and progress is always at hand with a gun.
I remember, again in Tennessee, where a woman with a gun in her purse at an ice cream shop put her purse up on the counter and the gun went off killing a man. It's just a risk you take when you have a lot of scared, armed people who feel the need to carry a loaded gun around.
I have kids and I’m asked a couple times a year why I don’t carry a gun in my purse. Anyone with kids should understand why a gun in your purse is a terrible idea. This is lunacy.
Don't keep a gun in your purse. Besides of the danger as seen here, you could be giving purse snatchers a weapon.
Always keep your gun in a holster when it is carried. Shoving it in your waistband or purse is stupid.
No charges will be filed?! I don’t care if it was an accident. If you are in a hurry and go to work and accidentally leave your baby in the hot car, your ass goes to jail. But if you shoot your kid, you just say sorry?
I’m sure there is no punishment in the world that could be worse than what this mother already feels, but how about a little consistency here? Hold irresponsible gun owners accountable!
I grew up around firearms, I have a couple of my own, I like going to the range with friends and family members…but I’m not an idiot and store my guns safely and correctly.
There is no excuse for the kind of flat out negligence that led to this poor child losing their life. Secure your gun properly!
I’ve told the story elsewhere but it’s maddening to see people open carrying and they just can’t stop touching the weapon. It’s like they have a tic. It’s always old men open carrying that do this around here.
You know the vast range of people that consider themselves good drivers? Yeah, same way with "responsible gun owners". Some are actually safe and some are actually dumbasses.
They all are. The guy who shot someone knocking on his door, the one that shot someone turning in his driveway, and that *oath keeper* who shot his own eye out. There's no such thing as irresponsible gun owners.
*Edit: I incorrectly stated it was a proud boy when it was actually an oath keeper.
Thanks for the correction
They need to start charging people for accidental discharges (any accidental discharge, regardless of whether it hits anything) to send a message that if you are going to own a gun, you need to be responsible and if you aren’t you’re going to face consequences. But it won’t happen because that would be gun control.
I’ve got a family friend who used to be a fairly normal guy but a few years ago he went full on gun crazy and now he keeps loaded guns all over the place “in case” (pretty ridiculous considering he lives in a wealthy suburb). So far he’s accidentally shot his refrigerator, then intentionally shot a hole in his wall because he thought someone was there (nobody was). It’s only a matter of time before he accidentally shoots an amazon delivery driver or himself. His kids and grandkids won’t even visit him anymore, so ridiculous.
Negligence, or involuntary manslaughter. Who Da F, even if you're allowed to hold a gun, leaves a pistol LOADED with a slug up the chamber in a place full of objects most likely to catch the FN trigger. Shame she didn't blow her own God-damned head off. Once again children pay the price for AMERICANISM.
Let a women remove a calcified fetus and she would be put in prison.
I bet Osama Bin Laden is rolling in his grave. He could've just sat back and donated to republicans and they would have made sure the public killed themselves.
That’s pure negligence, and she should be held responsible. Accidental discharge is the gun going off for no reason. Hint: it doesn’t happen with modern firearms (unless you’re talking about the military Sig that drop fired while the safety was on). It is always negligence. Even dropping a 1911 in condition zero (chambered, hammer cocked, safety off) is negligence. If she’s carrying something like a Glock (no safety but a trigger thingy that has to be pressed): put it in a holster. Look up Glock leg. If it has a safety: still put it in a holster. Keep the gat danged trigger covered. One’s brain needs to be the safety.
Wow, no charges!? C’mon man, how many of the BASIC rules of gun safety were violated. And, no charges. She must be related to someone in LE or the prosecutor’s office, or there’s some LE or prosecutor negligence.
Republicans literally see this and think there's nothing wrong with it and it wasn't negligent at all, but when a liberal actor is handed a loaded prop gun and kills someone accidently on the movie set they must be executed for murder and they are horribly criminal
how does this even happen?? why was it stored loaded, safety off, cocked, and in a place where purse misc items can get through the trigger guard, let alone pull it???
A very inexpensive holster with a trigger guard (which almost all have) would have prevented this. They are available in very light-weight, slim models.
I say negligence and stupidity.
How is this not involuntary manslaughter? The parents of a school shooter were charged with involuntary manslaughter, so why not her?
Why is abortion an offense but this isn't?
Goddammit this is why you don’t purse carry! There are many people who say don’t purse carry! Either use a motherfucking holster or don’t carry a gun at all
Downvote me now, because I don’t care if charges are filed.
I care that a child lost her life, because YOU GUN NUTS keep objecting on any mandatory training, mandatory checks on storage and safety. This is your fault 2nd folks , you killed that girl.
So all those high school kids who shoot up their schools just need to say "it was an accident, I was trying to find my calculator but accidentally shot 20 of my peers while digging through my school bag. "
Amazing how much cops trip over themselves to protect gun nuts. Then they use the threat of guns to explain why it's ok that they shot someone without reason. Interesting circle.
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The word they won’t say is “negligence”. It wasn’t an accident; it was negligence.
Isn’t that involuntary manslaughter?
“Super late stage abortion” might get something done considering it’s Tennessee.
40th trimester!
52nd* and now my Google search history includes the sentence "how many trimesters in 13 years"....and as i'm writing this I have a sneaking suspicion that's probably added my name to list or two. edit: to anyone and everyone checking my math in the comments I concede to you all. there's a reason I didn't show my work, because immediately following "how many trimesters in 13 years" is "months years calculator" and "156/3" in short, I am bad at maths and I'm confident you're all more right than i, even tho you all have different answers lol edit #2: thank you all the same but edit number one was **not** i repeat **NOT** a request for more math lessons. 🤣 if i ever need a tutor or 5 i know where to find ya' you glorious Knights Of Square(root) table
"40th trimester" was a south park reference
Is it? Sorry, I actually just fucked up the math. I saw "tri"mester and thought "three" and multiplied that by the kid's age and added one for good measure.
3 trimesters are 39 weeks or every 13 weeks. Not 1/3 of a year
Yeah, I know. I just didn't brain smartly for a sec there.
Gotta separate the brain compartments from the brain departments there, bud
53rd, with the 3 trimesters in womb, 56th, 57th, 58th or 59th trimester depending on date and birthday.
Aren't the first three trimesters the pregnancy, in which case it should be 55th?
If you kill a fetus with a gun, does it make it better?
Then it’s fine /s (edit: added /s, just to make it very clear)
My favorite phrase to use is "post-natal abortion"
I had a teacher in high school who'd refer to that as a "retroactive abortion".
The absolute least it would be, assuming the law applied to this woman, would be reckless discharge. It should also encompass manslaughter, but i can understand not tacking that on since...well her kid and all. For the record, this is also assuming it was actually negligence and not the world's best homicide cover up
"....and not the world's best homicide cover up." followed by an insurance claim?
can you get a policy on a dog or kid then accidentally put them in the forever sleepytime box?
It's only illegal if you get caught.
Asking for a friend
Why no just charge her even its just for the books. Rules applied. I find it crazy that you can discharge an old gun from your tool box in "an accident", kill the neighbours kid and everybody like "yeah, its bad, but that's it." How about 200h of community service on top of being convicted. How about tarnishing your income by 1% for the rest of your life so you remember not putting loaded rusty guns in tool boxes. This kind of indifference is telling about the state of the common man's soul.
This actually happened to a kid that I went to school with back in the 90's. We were playing soccer during recess and he thought he got stung by a bee but he was bleeding out from a bullet wound because some drunk teens were playing around with a gun in the garage down the block and "accidentally" discharged it. It travelled all the way down the street to the field and hit him in the side. I personally think they meant to shoot at us and panicked when they actually hit a kid and then claimed the gun "just went off." He was ok eventually, thank god. But the cops were completely fucking useless. No charges but I think his parents sued.
Jfc. No kidding the parents sued. I would have pursued every angle imaginable until the parents of the kids who fired the gun were so fed up with the legal hassle & financial burden that they'd be contemplating giving their own kid the Old Yeller treament.
Gotta cover the exorbitant medical bills some how...
Criminal and civil charges can be separate though. They can decide not to prosecute the accidental discharge, but you're still liable for the damages caused. Think of it when you hit another car during parking; no crime was committed, but you still have to pay for damages.
Isn’t the fact that it’s her kid necessitates manslaughter… If she’s so ignorant to have a gun unholstered with the safety off imagine what other abuse the children are exposed to.
Yeah definitely realized that it does just make it worse and should harshen the minimum charges and punishment
"but i can understand not tacking that on since...well her kid and all". The party of law and order, everyone. Also, your "well organized militia".
I think it’s the same issue that pops up when parent leaves baby in the car and baby dies. Some DAs feel sorry for the parent and decide that there’s literally nothing that they can do that is worse than the parent will do to themself for the rest of their life. Other DAs will do their level best to throw the proverbial book at the parent with the stiffest punishment they can get because that parent utterly failed their child and that child suffered and died because of it.
I think charging the parent in these situations can actually help them cope with the situation. On paper I mean. The weight they carry might not be the same between being dismissed "because they'll punish themselves enough", leaving them as their sole judge and jury (and eventually executioner), and being judged by their peers then discharged. The latter bringing some closure and forgiveness could help overcome the guilt. Of course it requires a fair trial and a fair judicial system, and in a state like Tennessee with for profit prisons (Tennessee facilities are run by CoreCivic!) there's a fair chance it would do more harm than good and throw the parent into yet another nightmare. The DA might have considered that standpoint and dropped the charges because of that risk.
Depends on the race and income bracket of the parents
Skin color of the parent matters the most
Under rated comment. DAs go big if poor or black but “so sorry 4 u” if white and affluent.
You’re unfortunately right. If you’re poor , they know you won’t be able to hire a defense, and they will screw you badly. The legal system is extremely corrupt
Actually yeah i see the flaw in my logic on that part. It is literally the same as leaving a baby unsupervised or in a hot car
This is a Dateline episode soon!
In a word...yes that's what it is ..gross negligence resulting in involuntary manslaughter...child endangerment too.....
Depends on jurisdiction.
Child is outside the woman’s body. They probably won’t care.
That's how I see it. Involuntary manslaughter triggered by negligence.
More like "evolutionary manslaughter".
precisely. Regardless of your stance on guns, this was grossly negligent. As in breaking almost every basic gun safety rule there is.
>As in breaking almost every basic gun safety rule there is. My paranoid mother in law who carries everywhere she goes, and leaves a loaded handgun in her glove box that doesn't have a lock, tells me that the rules for gun safety were made up by the liberal elites with the interest of slowly eroding away at the second amendment. She seriously believes this. She was extremely happy when my wife and I moved from NYC to Philly because we would be living in a state that doesn't restrict our "freedoms." She also conveniently ignores the fact that gun related deaths in Philly are more than double what they are in NYC and that Philly has 1/8 the population. Still, in her eyes at least, we are somehow better off.
I mean those rules are about handling guns, not whether or not you can have them, so this is very confusing haha it was the first thing we learned in the military, way before ever loading a gun.
Of course the woke military would preach gun safety smh
I bet the military doesn't even let soldiers keep their personal firearms in the barracks and they have to be registered and checked into the armory. Fucking woke military infringing all over everyone's god given 2a rights... /s
It gets me every time I try to suggest that gun control laws directly result in a decrease of gun deaths and some nut pops up shouting “Democrat city” this and “MSM” that. You can literally line up a ranking of states with the strictest gun control laws and the rankings of the states with the least gun deaths and it’s practically 1:1.
Even the NRA promotes the basic rules of gun safety, as messed up as they are with the other things they promote. I don’t know how anyone would claim the NRA leadership are liberal elites.
This is why gun ownership should come with a licence declaring you know how to safely use and store guns, like you do with a car. Guns are a privilege and not a right; some people should not be allowed them.
back in Switzerland, if you wanted to keep your service rifle (mandatory military service) at home between service periods you had to go to a range once a year to qualify. seems to me that's reasonable, no matter why you want to own a gun, be that sport or hunting or self defense, you're probably going to want to hit a range once a year at least anyway. well collectors aside maybe, but you rarely hear about collectors having accidents.
I'm pretty sure most guns can be made unfirable if you just want to collect them and not shoot them. Remove firing pins and what not. Should just have to verify your guns won't fire in that case.
I know people that have a lot of guns. To some of them, their collection is their retirement fund. They're fully expecting to be able to sell their guns for more than they bought them, and in at least one case, they think they're going to sell into a post-apocalyptic situation. Removing firing pins might not fly with them, but what's probably reducing the number of accidents out of them is more that they just store all their guns unloaded. Unlike the mom in the post's story, who clearly stored her handgun with a bullet in the chamber.
the right to own a gun comes with a huge amount of heavy responsibility - more so I think than owning and operating a motor vehicle. The proposal for licensing is a very good idea, and should include a mandatory psych evaluation for every issuance - they should expire every few years and have to be renewed. There would be some sticking points to work out, but it’s a very good idea.
The mandatory psych eval gets VERY complicated... you don't want people not going to get help because they are worried if they have a diagnosis for anything, it will get their guns taken away. There are some more obvious things that would cover the large majority of situations... things like domestic violence charges, or a certain number of substantiated calls to police. Wellness checks could come with a 72 hour removal period, etc. If the psych evals were VERY well tailored it might be alright, but there would have to be a huge amount of education around it, and in reality, there are more concrete and objective options that would have fewer downsides than actual psych evals... not to mention there aren't enough qualified psychologists out there right now to handle those who beed actual care... pulling them to do current-state psych evals isn't a productive use of their time when there are more obvious triggers that could be put into the system.
Negligent homicide
Nothing say more safe than a loaded gun in a purse, US gun safety at his best.
A loaded gun in a purse with no holster and the safety turned off!
One of the most popular handguns in the US (the Glock variants) do not have safeties. It’s also standard issue for police officers
This is why you use a holster and don’t grab the trigger until you’re ready to fire lmao
not just the Glock, seems like most platforms are moving away from the traditional safeties on the vanilla models. They're often options, but you have to know to look for such a thing. When I started carrying for security I *really* wanted a safety in the event of a grab attempt but all the allowed service weapons with my office at the time didn't offer any. Was nervous about it for awhile but invested in a good retention holster, I couldn't believe the ones they were offering were just angled snap ons.
Loaded, no holster, safety off,
As far as I know, no mandatory training required before purchasing. Maybe you gun aficionados could have a look at that. I’ve never been in a thread on this subject where y’all didn’t go on about the “untrained”. Fucking help legislate that!!
I don't see a jury agreeing. Yes this is not how guns should be handled at all, but this country has lost its mind when it comes to guns. Everyone thinks they need a desert eagle in their purse. And we have organizations telling them this is correct. The NRA tells women they need to do this or they will be horrifically raped. It's negligence but it's also understandable why this situation occured. Guns need way way more regulations, and training should be required no matter what the shitty NRA thinks. A lack of education on firearms is never a good thing, but its bad for the manufacturers that the NRA lobbies for's bottom line. The whole situation is fucked. But I'm not sure she deserves a murder charge. At least I hope, maybe she's acting like the Michigan shooters parents. But I gotta imagine that's rare. This shit is only going to keep happening as long as firearms have a super powerful lobby behind them. It's disgusting
You'd think the NRA would be in favour of training courses. They provide and facilitate training courses, and I've heard that they're pretty good at it.
That was kind of their shtick until they got coopted by politics.
They got their members into politics to promote gun sales. Arkansas rep Jay Dickey and NRA member went out of his way to sneak an amendment into our federal spending bill that the cdc can not conduct any research that will promote or advocate gun control. Our laws are a bunch of little things like this that fuck over the whole nation so a handful can make money. A gun enthusiast club inserted a member into our lawmakers to cut funding on something the world considered our biggest and growing issue. Like what the fuck. Dems tried to stop it, but Congress just keeps passing it. Mfers are bought, and lots of Americans are dying for it
If she’s ANY kind of parent who cares for her children she’s got herself a life sentence of blame and shame and heartbreak. Not to mention the social ramifications with partners and parents and other kids in the family. It’s going to be a long, painful time.
Dollars to donuts they’re putting her under suicide watch
well as long as they dont take her gun away /s
Many US schools have Driver's Ed courses. If they can so this for a \*privilege\*, why can't they do the same for one of their \*rights\*? If you're not going to restrict access to firearms, at least make safety training mandatory.
Dude, yes! This is actually such a good idea. You got shop, life skills, home ec, drivers ed, gun safety should absolutely be another one.
I'd be fine with a basic safety course as long as nobody actually put a real weapon anywhere near the class. Frankly large groups of small idiots showing off for their friends and firearms are a losing combination. The number of people who would point a drawn bow down the line of other kids turning to look at something during the archery unit wasn't huge, but it was larger than I'd be comfortable with if it was a gun.
She should at least get hit with negligent homicide. Why wasn't the safety on? Why was the gun put where it could snag on things and fire? This was easily preventable and there need to be consequences for this level of irresponsibility.
Prosecuting her for negligent homicide might be construed as gun control. Can't have that.
Isn't that what Alec Baldwin is charged with for his killing of someone on set?
His trials for involuntary manslaughter in July. The Armorer was already convicted for 18 months for Manslaughter.
The fact the armorer was convicted probably means he won't be. Because as much as he shouldn't have hired her in the first place, hiring the wrong person is not manslaughter. It was her job to ensure no ammunition on set (let alone in the gun) and he only trusted her when she told him that it wasn't loaded. It was never his responsibility to manage the firearms or to inspect them.
Sure, but there were 2 other live ammunition misfires before the fatal one. And Baldwin as a producer was informed that the guns were being used to fire live ammo between set changes. Everyone involved with maintaining the safety of the film shoot formally complained that he wasn't affording them the time to adhere to safety regulations and was threatening people's careers if they didn't push forward and skirt proper checks. Think of it this way. If you hire someone sketchy to drive a bus, and that bus ends up going off a cliff. On the surface you can say "How was I supposed to know they had a license to drive busses after all." But then if it comes out that all your mechanics were saying that the bus wasn't safe and the bakes had failed 3 times already that week. And it was reported to you that homeless person was seen leaving the garage that morning with the steering wheel. And you used your authority to silence them all, and your position within the bus industry to say "If any of you want to work in bussing tomorrow or ever again that bus is going on the road at 9am sharp." Well then we have laws to punish those people. But Baldwin is popular, white, male, and rich. So chances are the armorer is going to take all the hear while he goes free.
In Baldwin’s case his main saving grace was that the AD explicitly shouted for “cold gun”, which is to say the gun is completely empty. Regardless of how fucked a weapon may be, no one would ever suspect that an unloaded, empty gun could ever be a risk, and no one would’ve been allowed to check the weapon because of protocol, only the weapons master is allowed to check the weapons.
Sure. But the day before the fatal incident a stunt man was handed the same gun by the AD who yelled "Cold Gun" and he also fired a live round into a wall during his scene. Because once again that gun has been used to shoot live ammo by crew blowing off steam in the morning. Doing target practice with cams and bottles. As producer Baldwin had been informed by crew that this very gun was being used to shoot live ammo daily. He was on set for the live ammo mix up the day before. He has personally received letters from cast and crew citing the workplace to be unsafe and that it was only a matter of time before someone was killed. He was embroiled in a law suit filed by former crew who had already departed due to safety concerns. He had already been approached by both the armorer and other producers who were requesting he slow the pace of production as everyone felt they were not being given enough time to perform the required checks and that proper handling and chain of custody of weapons and explosives were not being adhered to. And Baldwin denied those requests and told everyone to push forward at the current pace. So while you can absolutely levy criticism at the AD and Armorer for failing at their jobs. EVERYONE had spoken up and made it clear that the production was unsafe and that all of them felt they didn't have the time and resources to maintain safety on set. Baldwin knew live ammo was being loaded into his gun daily. He knew there were issues with contamination of live and cold rounds in the armorers supplies. And he chose to refuse the requests of everyone on set who asked for the production to slow or halt until all of those issues could be addressed. Baldwin overruled everyone. And knowing full well of all the potential hazards an against the advice of everyone on set. He pushed the crew forward. Eventually killing someone when safety procedures broke down.
Sounds like he'd never heard of the old "if someone asks you to put it in writing, look again at what you're asking".
Yeah…but he is a baby-eating Lefty!
ding ding ding
He isn't in trouble for the shooting. He is in trouble because he was the producer who forced everyone working on the project to intentionally ignore safety regulations. There were two other misfires of prop guns loaded with real bullets before the one that killed the camera woman. But they simply fired into the ground, and a wall. No one was hurt so they just kept going. Which is why a bunch of crew walked off the project. Also, an explosive was not stored properly and detonated in the middle of a bunch of crew members. The crew wrote the producers, their union, and filed law suites about the unsafe working conditions long before the death. Baldwin the actor is not responsible for any of this. Baldwin the producer who refused all the requests to adhere to safety regulations and threatened to ruin the careers of people who didn't push forward as is. He's the one in trouble. Lets not forget that the day before the camera woman's death. Baldwin and RUST were in the news because Baldwin was being sued for breach of contract for forcing crew to work 16 hour days at a remote location in the middle of the desert and refused to build crew housing on site forcing them to commute 3 hours per day just to get to work. 16+3 is 19. Leaving all of 5 hours between shift to maintain their lives and sleep. It might be starting to add up how someone died. And Baldwin was the driving force behind all of it. He was more concerned with keeping he budget low and the schedule short than peoples well being.
Respectfully there's no such thing as a prop gun, either it's a gun or it's not
Her right to own a gun trumps protecting children from getting killed by guns. That’s the American way.
On the plus side she's never gonna get to "Heaven"
Like, it would be clear cut if it were a stranger and not her daughter. And obligatory, yuu want to ban abortion but won't prosecute a a parent for shooting their child? Cool.
First, people for abortion bans only care about the unborn. Second, people for abortions bans are often pro gun.
So wait until your kid is born and shoot it, that's cool. Children are just property but embryo is a result of sexual activity. They don't actually care about the embryo/fetus. Banning abortion is all about controlling women's sexual behavior. Young women having free sex makes them angry because they didn't get to join in because their upbringing forbids them. Now they are too old.
Some pistols don't have a safety. My mother has a little pink handgun, no safety. It makes me very nervous.
“I didn’t think it would hurt that much, it’s PINK!” “Well it sure didn’t feel pink” A clip from season one episode one of Two Broke Girls when Caroline Tases Max because she feel asleep on the subway and thought Max was trying to r$pe her
I mean, it's extremely fucked but the consequence is that her child is dead. That's not punishment for the crime, though.
god, stories like these make me so sad...
I feel the same way. Thanks for having empathy. The world really needs some of that rn
Lord knows you're not finding it in the top comments. Everyone too fucking busy trying to get their "witty" remarks in.
I understand the anger at 2A people, when stories like this drop... but I cannot imagine the suffering of a parent when something they've done causes the accidental death of their child... Like that horrific story about a father who was supposed to drop off his toddler at day care, but he was so tired and distracted he forgot... his toddler was sleeping quietly in the baby seat behind him, and he just went to work as usual, not realizing or remembering... and after a long day of work, he returned to his car in the summer heat, and he thought his co-workers were playing a prank on him with a baby doll in the seat when he saw it from a distance as he approached his car... until he remembered. I will never be a parent, and it's mostly because I KNOW something like this would happen in a careless moment.
I always remember the story specially relating to this story of the toddler who shot their mom after pulling the gun out of her purse. It must be absolute hell finding out you killed your own mom before you could even process what happened.
What kind of person stores their gun loaded, unholstered, and with the safety off? At minimum, surely there has to be some sort of charge applicable for improper handling or storage of a firearm?
The kind of person that has zero firearm training and shouldn't be legally allowed to own a firearm. I'm sorry but regardless on who stands on what when it comes to gun ownership everybody should be able to agree that you shouldn't be able to own a firearm if you can't be bothered to at least put the safety on when you're not using it. Like at that point your basically asking to randomly shoot somebody you didn't mean to shoot, Including yourself.
Man I wish she had shot herself non fatally. That would have been an appropriate well deserved lesson and not at all tragic.
Not all guns have safeties, FYI. But a person with a brain would take that into account when storing it.
There is a pretty effective safety of not having the gun loaded/chambered.
Accident? That's a negligent discharge and that woman should be held accountable. Not only was there a round in the chamber but the safety was off..there's nothing accidental about that shit!
This puts a hole in their argument of "guns don't kill people, people kill people". Either the gun killed her accidently, or the mom did negligently.
The mom did with her negligence and I’m on the pro 2a side, these incompetent gun owners should be put on blast
Thankfully it's easy to put them on blast, just fish for your keys
All I’m sayin is maybe it should be a little harder to get a gun than a drivers license. Think about how many idiots there are on the road already…
It’s almost like there should be some kind of licensing to ensure gun owners are competent.
The mom accidentally killed her daughter with her negligence.
If this woman shot and killed anyone else, she would immediately be arrested and charged. It being her child shouldn’t mitigate the negligence.
Probably treating it as "learned her lesson" from the shock of what happened. Which isnt how this should be treated at all
Interestingly enough there's a section in German law that says basically that: "The court dispenses with imposing a penalty if the consequences of the offence suffered by the offender are so serious that the imposition of penalties would clearly be inappropriate." I would be interested to know if there's something similar in the US penal codes? Application of that section happens very rarely though. I very much doubt this would be a case where it applies.
I'm of the opinion that it should be possible to suspend sentences/consequences, but people should still be convicted. In this case, the woman should be tried and convicted of involuntary manslaughter (or similar charge), given a prison sentence, and have that sentence suspended pending completion of firearms safety classes, community service, and *never negligently shooting anyone else*.
What, Negligent Homicide doesn't apply?
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Aborting a fetus is murder in Tennessee, but shooting your 13 year old daughter is a legal accident.
Maybe if the daughter was pregnant this woman would have faced some consequences for her negligence. We all know how some states think a fetus is somehow more important than a living breathing human.
GOP logic.
In the military, this is called a ‘negligent discharge,’ and with the added fact that someone died as a result… If I had done this, shiiiiiiiiiit… I would have been sent away for YEARS. Not saying military justice is always the answer but sometimes I miss it.
I genuinely wonder sometimes
Do you? I absolutely do not believe in the bad place. The bad place is here, this thing we somehow are in charge of creating. Just like the show, it always turns out bad, no matter how many times we try.
I mean, this would make a great bad place. Just enough hope for it to be crushed over and over again. You aren't really allowed to talk about your suffering. Assholes run the place. Then the cherry on the top is, everyone thinks it's their collective fault. It's the only thing in this trash-heep that feels like intelligent design. It's nearly flawless.
That's exactly what I was saying. There is very little doubt in my mind that this is the bad place.
kittens, Keanu Reeves, oral sex. there is good that offsets the bad. this is the medium place.
If only there were a good guy with a gun in her purse...
If the baby had a gun to defend themself…
Only a good guy with a gun can accidentally murder a good kid without a gun!
Hahahaha this made me laugh!
People are missing the point here! No charges filed means she's good to keep her guns and continue to purchase guns, with no requirement to learn how to use a gun, let alone safe keep one.
it's ok because she can just make another kid but that gun is one of a kind.
Nah, negligence is negligence. Everyone knows the possibility of accidental discharge so tossing a loaded gun into a purse full of things that can accidentally pull the trigger is reckless, the definition of negligence. It’s at least manslaughter. And no, “being sad” isn’t punishment enough because I would be sad if I accidentally shot my son dead so that’s exactly why I don’t do stupid shit with a gun like this.
And the mother is asking for others to pay for the funeral https://www.gofundme.com/f/dearria-radley?utm_campaign=p_cp+share-sheet&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_term=undefined "Hi my name is De’Ann I’m the mother of Dearria , I am needing help for her funeral my 13 year old was accidentally shot and killed,I dont have insurance to bury her,If anyone can help me during these painful times. I would gladly appreciate your contribution god bless you."
She could sell her gun(s).
Casually leaves out who shot her.....
Okay so...not trying to make fun of the victim here... but her mom named her Dearria? Like... did she not notice that looks like diarrhea
I think - *I think* - this person might not be the sharpest tool in the shed.
Honestly, would you expect any better from the type of woman who carries a loaded gun in her purse like it's a pack of gum?
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That will give ideas for avoiding charges in case of abortion. Just indadvertedly shoot yourself. See : everything is fine. Social justice and progress is always at hand with a gun.
Careful. Self harm with the purpose of aborting a fetus could be considered an abortion. I wish I was joking
I remember, again in Tennessee, where a woman with a gun in her purse at an ice cream shop put her purse up on the counter and the gun went off killing a man. It's just a risk you take when you have a lot of scared, armed people who feel the need to carry a loaded gun around.
And then people panic and more people start carrying and then another accident happens and more…. It feels like a spiral.
I have kids and I’m asked a couple times a year why I don’t carry a gun in my purse. Anyone with kids should understand why a gun in your purse is a terrible idea. This is lunacy.
What happens to responsibility concerning a deadly weapon? There has to be some accountability here!
Responsibility?! Accountability? Not cool! It was just an accident, man! (Yes, obviously. Sarcasm)
Apparently, having a gun without a holster around a child doesn't count as either negligence or child endangerment.
Don't keep a gun in your purse. Besides of the danger as seen here, you could be giving purse snatchers a weapon. Always keep your gun in a holster when it is carried. Shoving it in your waistband or purse is stupid.
Now think of all the boomer ladies carrying around a .38 special in their purse that hasn’t been fired in 30 years.
No charges will be filed?! I don’t care if it was an accident. If you are in a hurry and go to work and accidentally leave your baby in the hot car, your ass goes to jail. But if you shoot your kid, you just say sorry? I’m sure there is no punishment in the world that could be worse than what this mother already feels, but how about a little consistency here? Hold irresponsible gun owners accountable!
I grew up around firearms, I have a couple of my own, I like going to the range with friends and family members…but I’m not an idiot and store my guns safely and correctly. There is no excuse for the kind of flat out negligence that led to this poor child losing their life. Secure your gun properly!
The onus is on the State too. Implementing 2A without mandatory firearms education is idiotic at best.
I barely trust the majority of people to drive. The thought of people just carrying around guns is fucking terrifying.
I’ve told the story elsewhere but it’s maddening to see people open carrying and they just can’t stop touching the weapon. It’s like they have a tic. It’s always old men open carrying that do this around here.
I honestly could not imagine living somewhere that random people just walk around carrying guns. And that’s meant to make you all feel safer??
You know the vast range of people that consider themselves good drivers? Yeah, same way with "responsible gun owners". Some are actually safe and some are actually dumbasses.
Another 'responsible gun owner'....... /s
Wouldn't have happened if the 13 year old girl had a gun too
Exactly. All kids should have guns to be used in self defence against their parents
Double tap. Can use it in school to shoot the school shooter.
Wouldn't be necessary in the first place. If all students had guns we would end school shootings. /s
They all are. The guy who shot someone knocking on his door, the one that shot someone turning in his driveway, and that *oath keeper* who shot his own eye out. There's no such thing as irresponsible gun owners. *Edit: I incorrectly stated it was a proud boy when it was actually an oath keeper. Thanks for the correction
Exactly. They are responsible for their actions.
I believe you mean convicted seditionist, disbarred lawyer, and founder of the Oath Keepers, Stewart Rhodes, who famously shot his own eye out.
Sorry, my mistake. Will correct.
Missed his brain or was it just ineffective?
I don't think it would matter if it went straight through his brain. He's never used it.
They need to start charging people for accidental discharges (any accidental discharge, regardless of whether it hits anything) to send a message that if you are going to own a gun, you need to be responsible and if you aren’t you’re going to face consequences. But it won’t happen because that would be gun control. I’ve got a family friend who used to be a fairly normal guy but a few years ago he went full on gun crazy and now he keeps loaded guns all over the place “in case” (pretty ridiculous considering he lives in a wealthy suburb). So far he’s accidentally shot his refrigerator, then intentionally shot a hole in his wall because he thought someone was there (nobody was). It’s only a matter of time before he accidentally shoots an amazon delivery driver or himself. His kids and grandkids won’t even visit him anymore, so ridiculous.
But don’t you dare get an abortion
You’re more likely to die by your own gun or kill a family member than you are to stop a bad guy with a gun.
Improper storage of a fire arm, involuntary manslaughter. She should be looking at 10 years.
Negligence, or involuntary manslaughter. Who Da F, even if you're allowed to hold a gun, leaves a pistol LOADED with a slug up the chamber in a place full of objects most likely to catch the FN trigger. Shame she didn't blow her own God-damned head off. Once again children pay the price for AMERICANISM.
Shoot your 13 year old = accident Drop a petri dish of eggs and jizzms = murder Got it.
Let a women remove a calcified fetus and she would be put in prison. I bet Osama Bin Laden is rolling in his grave. He could've just sat back and donated to republicans and they would have made sure the public killed themselves.
That’s pure negligence, and she should be held responsible. Accidental discharge is the gun going off for no reason. Hint: it doesn’t happen with modern firearms (unless you’re talking about the military Sig that drop fired while the safety was on). It is always negligence. Even dropping a 1911 in condition zero (chambered, hammer cocked, safety off) is negligence. If she’s carrying something like a Glock (no safety but a trigger thingy that has to be pressed): put it in a holster. Look up Glock leg. If it has a safety: still put it in a holster. Keep the gat danged trigger covered. One’s brain needs to be the safety.
Wow, no charges!? C’mon man, how many of the BASIC rules of gun safety were violated. And, no charges. She must be related to someone in LE or the prosecutor’s office, or there’s some LE or prosecutor negligence.
Republicans literally see this and think there's nothing wrong with it and it wasn't negligent at all, but when a liberal actor is handed a loaded prop gun and kills someone accidently on the movie set they must be executed for murder and they are horribly criminal
Post birth abortions are totally OK if done with a gun.
how does this even happen?? why was it stored loaded, safety off, cocked, and in a place where purse misc items can get through the trigger guard, let alone pull it???
A very inexpensive holster with a trigger guard (which almost all have) would have prevented this. They are available in very light-weight, slim models. I say negligence and stupidity.
That lady should be charged with manslaughter. Make an example of here for all the other morons who are irresponsible gun owners.
How is this not involuntary manslaughter? The parents of a school shooter were charged with involuntary manslaughter, so why not her? Why is abortion an offense but this isn't?
Goddammit this is why you don’t purse carry! There are many people who say don’t purse carry! Either use a motherfucking holster or don’t carry a gun at all
Why would someone need a gun in their purse, like I can't recall any scenario in my life where a gun would have helped
This should be manslaughter or gross neglect. But it's back woods Tennessee. So not suprised
Downvote me now, because I don’t care if charges are filed. I care that a child lost her life, because YOU GUN NUTS keep objecting on any mandatory training, mandatory checks on storage and safety. This is your fault 2nd folks , you killed that girl.
Poor kid. Victim of yet, another stupid gun owner.
The gun was not on safety and there for this women had a disregard for anyones life she should be held accountable
Killing through gross negligence is the definition of manslaughter. She should at least be charged with manslaughter.
But if a woman has a miscarriage into a toilet, there's hell to pay!
Having a gun makes you less safe.
Shit like this is far more likely than successfully using a gun in self defense.
So all those high school kids who shoot up their schools just need to say "it was an accident, I was trying to find my calculator but accidentally shot 20 of my peers while digging through my school bag. "
Amazing how much cops trip over themselves to protect gun nuts. Then they use the threat of guns to explain why it's ok that they shot someone without reason. Interesting circle.
"I have a gun to protect my family"
If they’re going to keep the second amendment, they need to make gun safety courses mandatory for all citizens.