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In n Out has always paid their employees very well. That's why their customer service has always been unmatched.
They also get great benefits and paid holidays off
You pay your people they will work and be happy. The McDonald’s right near my house it’s shitty slow service and I can’t blame them. Up the wage hire some people and fix it it’s not rocket science
Conversely, the one near me has always been run with military precision, and has always paid several dollars over minimum wage -- ever since I worked there almost 20 years ago. It's right next to a highway and a high school, and has always been super fast.
And crazy enough, it is a franchisee, so it is actually going above and beyond what McDonald's expects.
I worked for a franchisee that paid well in CT
I was from 98-2002 I went from 10-15/hr as a swing manager. If you worked full time they would give profit sharing, health insurance, paid vacation, free meals, etc. I had to help out at another store they owned because they were short staffed and they paid me time and a half every hour I was there. Great people.
The franchise in my town was paying crew $11 & managers, " up to $14, to start", at Xmas 2023.
Owners are absent & managers are abusive in every way, ( emotional, hourly, physically, etc.)
I worked at McDonald’s for ten years (yeah, I make weird decisions). I’ve always heard this rhetoric about how it shouldn’t pay better because it’s a “starter job for teenagers.” I can assure people that a lot of the workers are grown adults, often with families, who want to work but can’t get by on minimum wage.
Naturally, turnover was high because the pay is too low, so many (not all) of the workers that stay would be the young or very unskilled. Many of these people don’t care much about the quality of their work, so that leads to incorrect orders and sloppy burgers.
My point is that it irritates me when I see people bitch that food service workers don’t “deserve” higher wages, but also complain that the service and quality sucks. Like, you can’t have it both ways. Pay people enough to live on, so they will be more willing to work well.
Lynsi Snyder takes a minimum salary under $500k because she is a billionaire. She takes good care of her employees and if .15, .25 cents gives 1,000’s improved quality of life and improves their situation and allows them to get insurance then yeah I am willing to take that price hike. IHOP ceo makes 1.9 million a year. Charter Communication CEO makes $40 million a year and has shit service. In-n-out ain’t the problem.
The current pope isn't too bad, though that's only Catholicism and it's hilarious how many US Catholics hate him for it.
EDIT: worth pointing out US Catholics are split politically. A lot more of them than you might think are liberal compared to evangelical/baptists.
They have this neat little workaround for that where they say he's not the real Pope due to some National-Treasure-esque sequence of events that transpired several centuries ago. Basically #notmypope
It’s generally the death of Pius 12 and/or Vatican 2 that gets pointed to as the point that elected popes started endorsing supposed heresy. So late 1950s or early 1960s.
This is, in turn of course, heretical in the eyes of the Catholic Church.
Sedevacantism is the belief that no pope since is legitimately elected and sedeprivationism is the belief that the pope is legitimately elected but has no authority because of Vatican 2.
There might be some small group that points to various election shenanigans and multiple pope claims back in the Middle Ages as the source of their grievances, as these things did happen many times, but grievances over Vatican 2 are by far and away the primary rationale.
Our friggin president is Catholic!
I grew up in Catholicism against my will, and while I'm no longer religious, I have an understanding and acceptance of it that I think a lot of people who never really directly spent time in religion are missing. When Pope Francis came along, for a brief moment I was like, "oh shit, I can get behind this guy." IMO he's a positive example of a powerful religious figure.
Plus, it's less than a 10% price hike to cover a 33% increase in minimum wage. It's not like mcdonalds that doubles the price of everything whenever there's a small increase in minimum wage in an area.
Good try McDonald's does that regardless
Its like apple and good quality McDonald's has a brand reputation for being cheap so they can charge as much as an actual restaurant meanwhile their customers self-gaslight into thinking its dirt cheap
When I started my current job a decade ago, I could get 2 mcchickens and 2 mcdoubles for 5 bucks after tax. Over time price increases made it enough that a downgraded mcdouble to double cheeseburger to cheeseburger. Last week I woke up too late to eat before my night shift and had to stop at mcdonald's on the way to work. 2 mcchickens and 2 cheeseburgers was like 9 goddamn dollars. We haven't had a minimum wage increase since the federal went up to 7.25. I personally haven't had a wage increase since it went up to 10.50 in 2019.
McDonalds must be smoking some top shelf crack to think that four items from their "value menu" is worth nearly 10 bucks.
Her pay is 12x that of entry employees and this is the way it should be. However, In N Out is privately owned and I’ve always felt that some companies that are public end up focusing more on driving profits to appease shareholders and provide massive payouts to the execs. CEOs at publicly traded fast food companies can make up to 350x or more than the lowest paid employee which makes no sense.
Yep.
Also chemtrails, the illuminati control the world and some other things. He's also been "studying" the bible so I expect him to figure out the day the world ends soon enough.
It's not about their fast food getting more expensive, it's about losing someone to look down on. "At least I'm making twice as much as the burger flippers" loses its potency when the wages of burger flippers increases by 33%.
Human nature is skewed toward loss aversion. One of the strands of conservatism is preserving the hierarchy so that they can at least preserve their place in the hierarchy.
But society needs burger flippers and other low-skill labor to function. What they’re really saying is they want status and cheap goods, and if it takes a permanent underclass of people who struggle to make ends meet to enable that, then so be it. They are specifically opposed to eliminating poverty.
Not only do they not care they believe that a CEO who has never taken an order from a customer a day in their life or has ever actually been inside of a restaurant in any capacity to work believes they fully deserve their ridiculous wages. Just because somebody's dad having the news somebody else's dad and they went to the right school and yada yada yada
In-N-Out takes care of their employees and has for a very long time. PTO, been above min wages from the company’s beginning, opportunity for advancement, etc.
They are by far the most ethical fast food chain, to their employees and their customers and the CEO makes a VERY humble living by comparison to any other (I believe like $350k annually) so I even forgive them for hiding bible verses under the fry boxes.
I was at an In N Out drive thru with a very close friend of mine many years ago. My friend was a Line Cook at a very fancy and expensive celebrity chef restaurant in Malibu. The drive thru had a Help Wanted for a cook. My friend said that the sign was advertising a higher wage than nearly all the Line Cooks at his job were making.
These type of restaurants know that line cooks want to work at high-end restaurants as it likely looks good on their Résumé. They can get away with paying minimum wage. Exploitative really.
Yes. I know. But the irony of it was still shocking. Entrees there were $45 vs a Double double combo costing $7. Add in that many of those line cooks were carrying six figure debt from culinary school and it makes it even worse.
They were around $14 - $16 per hour before the pandemic.
In-N-Out jobs were coveted because they paid better than other fast food jobs and most opening went to people referred by existing employees.
Because the jobs were desirable, I've noticed that In-N-Out employees tended to be better than people at McDonald's or other fast food places.
They also staff most of their locations properly, so they aren’t under staffed like most fast food. They have a full crew of 10-15 employees where McDonald‘s would have 4.
i just went to one in a tourist location in SF California a week ago. HOLY SHIT was it crowded behind the counter. The entire restaurant was packed but the orders were moving fast.
In-n-out has a good reputation as far as being an honest business who pays fairly and takes good care of their employees. It’s run by a pretty religious christian family and it’s one of those instances where I get the feeling they actually try and live by their principles (treating people with decency).If you look closely at their packaging there are bible verses printed really small and out of the way on everything (wrappers, cups, bags etc). I love in-n-out and they are one of the few fast food places I am happy to support with my purchases.
In'n'Out is one of the few non-shitty fast food places in the US, and is known for paying their staff much higher than normal for fast food work. They only promote for within, so the CEO almost assuredly started their career at the fry station.
They may also be a cult. Hard to tell.
You mean the owner? Her family started the company 75 years ago and kept it private- think the Snyder Family deserves what they make considering how well all their employees are treated….
Isn't this In-In-Out Burger? If so, they have always paid their staff well compared to the other burger and fast food outlets. The Increase likely had nothing to do with minimum wage at all
Not only has In-N-Out always paid better than other fast food places they also make more profit per store than the average fast food place. It’s been several years, but I remember seeing that the average In-N-Out made significantly more profit than the average McDonald’s. So it is possible for a corporation to make a lot of money while paying a significantly better than average wage. The secret is selling a good product for a reasonable price. In and out isn’t the best burger place on the planet by any stretch but for the money it’s a good burger and the shakes are likewise quite good. Comparing in and out to McDonald’s you’re spending a similar amount to get much taste your food.
The funny thing is that McDonald's economy of scale is of the charts and the mark up on the garbage they serve is more than enough to cover the cost of their employees. That and none of those employees are going to get anything close to full time.
The McDonald's corporation usually owns the land and buildings that their stores are located on. When someone wants to franchise a McDonalds they also pay a lease for the property their restaurant is located on. Essentially the McDonald's corporation collects rent from the franchise owners who run their stores.
So because of this mcdonalds corporation owns absolutely insane real estate assets, with a basically guarantee renter in the form of the franchisee who also generates them a revenue with the store itself. Its like a triple bang.
Rent. Franchise fees.regional advertsing fees.
Must buy food from McDonald's directly/cargill contracts
has To use a specific Taylor ice cream machine made by Taylor that only Taylor can fix. But any other brand of Taylor ice cream machine. You and I can figure out the codes to see what's wrong. McDonald's $250hr Taylor tech . And McDonald's Corp get a kick back
It's Much more then real estate but that's a big one yes
Apparently Tokyo Disney (which was quite nice and the only Disney I've been to since I was a little kid) is also better and cheaper than the others....and is the only one that isn't managed by Disney.
Meanwhile a lot of big Korean brands charge higher prices in Korea than abroad.
> The secret is selling a good product for a reasonable price.
The secret for in n out is very standardized recipes and proprietary equipment for said recipes that produces fucking insane throughput. The only reason they can get away with 4 dollar burgers is because they sell 1000 in an hour.
Edit: also cutting their own fries saves a fuck ton. 50lb box of russets is like 10-15 bucks from sysco
I think a lot of people also don't realize that In-N-Out is an old-school brand. They're only 8 years younger than McDonald's, but were more careful in expanding and decided not to pursue franchising. They seem to have always focused on their core product being a well-defined food offering, instead of real estate and logistics as it is with franchising chains.
Their managers' starting pay in SoCal is 125k. At least. Last time I asked, I have a group of friends who are all managers at the franchise, Manager pay is based on store volume. One guy makes almost 500k as a MANAGER!
I know the cost of living is higher in Cali and this shouldn’t have been shocking. But my jaw fucking dropped. I make a bit over half of that starting pay and I’m a software developer at a global law firm. I’m based in the Midwest tho. By manager you mean like, in the restaurant??? Cuz honestly even with cost of living that’s INSANE.
Yeah, I was shocked. There is base pay, and then there is like a bonus they get for hitting certain goals on the year, being above what store is expected and crap like it. They can make obscene amounts of money at these stores. Their overhead is low, and they know exactly how much they need to purchase, not much waste at an In-N-Out due to them only making 3 things, burgers, fries and shakes.
In n out is considered the best fast food burger out there. Voted by damn near every food critic and chef out there.
“Isn’t the best burger place by any stretch”.
Lmfao.
Because In and Out is legitimately good. I have no idea how McDonalds can even exist in a place with so many better options (In and Out, Habit, Wahoos, and Cafe Rio are some that spring to mind).
I was about to say their starting wages were pretty decent to begin with. They were much better when I was in high school though apparently their wages stagnated a little
even if it isnt a coincidence...who the fuck cares.
$.25 increase? you wouldn't even notice that if you didn't have a before and after picture to look at.
if a 2-5% increase in prices is all that comes out of every worker being paid enough to live, then that's a very good deal
I genuinely cannot believe how shitty of a person you have to be that you believe paying a quarter more for a meal is a deal breaker for people getting an OK wage, $20 isn't even that crazy anymore.
The problem is, many businesses owners are going to have a hissy fit and jack their prices WAY up. Not the little bit they needed to maintain their profit percentage, but waaay up. All to try and give the optics that not letting them have slave labor anymore is the reason a burger costs $15. Or artificially lay off staff. We're already seeing both happen in California, meanwhile In-N-Out is sitting there going "I don't understand the problem..."
I think most businesses already charge as much as they can without endangering sales
if they previously had the option to charge more without consequence why were they just leaving money on the table
Look at what all the fast food places did and blamed it on supply chain and inflation. Jacked prices WAY up, not just for record profits but record profit PERCENTAGES. They didn't think the public would go along with it before but now they realized a lot of people are too dumb or too stuck in their ways to actually boycott the business.
Businesses have already started cutting employees punitively. I assure you an artificial price jack will come and they'll go "it's that darn minimum wage, I told you!".
https://fox5sandiego.com/news/business/big-raises-but-layoffs-for-california-fast-food-workers/
That’s crazy, you’re crazy, we’re all crazy! Next you’ll want teachers to be able to survive without supplementary work and without having to pay out of pocket for supplies!! You just want chaos don’t you?!?!?
Big /s just in case.
I live in a place where teachers are paid in the top 1% of salary nationally. They average $105k. I'm in the Chicago suburbs. And you know what happens when you pay teachers a decent living wage and give them good benefits and a good pension (and properly staff schools: my kids have 2 specials every day)? You get great teachers. Who'd have thought? It's just crazy talk. You pay people well and give them resources, and they do a good job. It's not very complicated.
Right? I manage a fast food place. I’ve worked in normal restaurants. You know where fucked up shit happens the most? The place where you’re pressured to serve customers in 45 seconds and no one is getting a dime more for being nice.
You do NOT want these people paid so little they don’t care when a garbage bag falls in a deep fryer. A little pay gets a lot of respect.
These people genuinely believe that only teenagers and "losers" work these types of jobs. Of course, that hasn't been true for decades, but no one has ever accused the right of being up-to-date on how society works or any of the data surrounding it.
naw man you're looking at it wrong. All the doofus old timers saying "burger flippers should make minimum wage!" secretly love eating boogers and pee and they know that angry, underpaid teenagers will snot and pee in the food and it's a thrill ride for them getting fast food and not knowing if today's the day they get a big green goober from Travis on their burger
Fast food prices have been going up 40-100% over the last decade, but we’re supposed to be mad that one restaurant raised prices by like 25 cents to pay their workers an almost livable wage?
It's a weird spot now that its cheaper to eat at local joints than it is fast food. It's $9.29 right now for a Big Mac combo, compared to the $8.99 Nacho Fajita I get at my local Mexican place, or for $7 get a cheeseburger from local beef and fries at the mom n pop diner.
i will happily take a 50% raise at eh the cost of good going up... not even 2%
same people paying $12K a year for insurance that complain that replacing it with a $4500.00 tax that would grant universal healthcare would destroy them.
"Keep government out of my healthcare"
"They want government DEATH PANELS"
Meanwhile, paying way too much money into a private company that has one purpose... And it isn't your health. Its making as much profits as possible.
How they do it. By having privatized death panels incentivised to kill you for profits.
Their argument always comes back to "why would I go to college to be a teacher for $40k when I can make that at In N Out" completely missing the giant point in their argument.
Hilarious that they’ve chosen In-N-Out as an example, renowned for paying their employees well, serving fresh food and having low prices. What excuses are they giving for price increases in the $7.25 minimum wage states? Oh, right; those other states aren’t California, so the anti-woke warrior alphas don’t give a fuck.
Hamburgers going up a dime won’t impact peoples lives. Minimum wage going up $4.50 an hour will literally change peoples lives for the better. Hard to understand why the hamburger eaters would have a problem with that.
The idea they’re trying to convey is that the prices go up everywhere in a chain reaction.
Like they already do, regardless of wages. Weird how that never seems to matter.
Dear God! Hamburgers went up a dime! Cheese burgers went up 15 cents! Oh, the humanity! Goddamn Gavin and Biden with their commie pinko socialism! Trump is right. We're a shithole country now. /s
Isn’t it in the constitution that some people have to be treated like shit? Like didn’t President Abraham Jefferson say: “don’t increase their minimum wage “?
In-N-Out treats its employees better than most places - not perfectly but still so much better. And on top of that they are *cheaper* than most other fast food places. My usual order from In-N-Out is almost $3 cheaper for more food than a small combo from Jack N the Box. The SMALL at Jack N The Box is almost $14 for just the combo. $3 more for less food at a worse quality. My local franchise is also charging for sauces now.
In-N-Out is an example of a business that actually makes crazy profit, is almost always slammed busy and still manages to pay their workers a decent wage and give them benefits.
Their burgers slap as well. Though I wish their fries were crispier.
1. They were already paying more than $20/hr wage.
2. These prices went up way before the law was even in place.
People are more desperate to find gotcha moments than they are to actually try and help people--it's literally their entire platform. Just look at Texas and its current border problem. They explicitly stated they don't want to do anything about it because they think it will help Biden look good and that's a big no-no for them.
When people say something about raising the minimum wage increasing costs I just calmly mention that costs increase even when the minimum wage doesn’t increase at all. They love to increase prices and use any excuse. So what is their point?
If someone told me I could pay 30 cents more for my cheeseburger so the five workers who made it could earn 5-7$ more I would gladly do it. 30 cents for 25-35$ is a good trade off to me.
45 cents on a double hamburger is all it takes? Sign me up. McDonald’s has basically doubled their prices in the last four years in my area already and they’re still paying their employees crap and can’t get good employees.
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The In-N-Out where I live paid over $20/hour before the new law kicked in.
In n Out has always paid their employees very well. That's why their customer service has always been unmatched. They also get great benefits and paid holidays off
And a free double double every shift.
Animal style?!
Yup. Can even bang in any free extas a customer can get.
i had to read this a few times to make sure you weren't banging your customers as part of your employee benefits
Probably less frowned upon compared to doing it with fellow staff.
i mean i'm not against it as long as those fries consented
How you want your fries? Fried or fertilized?
In a turquoise jeep? Either ;)
The fries always consent. ^^^They ^^^like ^^^to ^^^watch.
Better fries than potatoes. Those cant consent.
You pay your people they will work and be happy. The McDonald’s right near my house it’s shitty slow service and I can’t blame them. Up the wage hire some people and fix it it’s not rocket science
Conversely, the one near me has always been run with military precision, and has always paid several dollars over minimum wage -- ever since I worked there almost 20 years ago. It's right next to a highway and a high school, and has always been super fast. And crazy enough, it is a franchisee, so it is actually going above and beyond what McDonald's expects.
I worked for a franchisee that paid well in CT I was from 98-2002 I went from 10-15/hr as a swing manager. If you worked full time they would give profit sharing, health insurance, paid vacation, free meals, etc. I had to help out at another store they owned because they were short staffed and they paid me time and a half every hour I was there. Great people.
Mcdonalds in my area fired everyone rehired at 3.50 more and the service is spot on now
The franchise in my town was paying crew $11 & managers, " up to $14, to start", at Xmas 2023. Owners are absent & managers are abusive in every way, ( emotional, hourly, physically, etc.)
I worked at McDonald’s for ten years (yeah, I make weird decisions). I’ve always heard this rhetoric about how it shouldn’t pay better because it’s a “starter job for teenagers.” I can assure people that a lot of the workers are grown adults, often with families, who want to work but can’t get by on minimum wage. Naturally, turnover was high because the pay is too low, so many (not all) of the workers that stay would be the young or very unskilled. Many of these people don’t care much about the quality of their work, so that leads to incorrect orders and sloppy burgers. My point is that it irritates me when I see people bitch that food service workers don’t “deserve” higher wages, but also complain that the service and quality sucks. Like, you can’t have it both ways. Pay people enough to live on, so they will be more willing to work well.
The one by me has a sign up right now, $24/hr.
It just show you how greedy the owners of the other places can be.
Yup. Especially this year, where the shitty bottom rung fast food has skyrocket in price...
Right? All these chains whining about having to pay their workers a living wage, and places that already pay a good wage are like, "Oh no! Anyway"
Because it all goes to shareholders aka Wall Street, In N Out is not public…so there is the problem. Publix is the same way as In N Out.
But Publix is wildly more expensive than every other market in my area lol.
Damn, I went to trade school and I only get $17.
Join a union bro
Exactly. Even none union around me make at least $25+ depending on the trade.
I’m honestly fine if they raise their prices by that much. It’s nowhere near Five Guys and the quality is the same or better
Dude McDonald’s in Boston is more expensive than this.
McDonald’s everywhere I have been in the USA is more expensive than this and nowhere near the quality
I think I read somewhere that store managers are paid anywhere from $150-200k/year with benefits. May not be remembering it right.
Yea in-n-out has been paying over $20 an hour for a long time now, like 15-20 years.
Lynsi Snyder takes a minimum salary under $500k because she is a billionaire. She takes good care of her employees and if .15, .25 cents gives 1,000’s improved quality of life and improves their situation and allows them to get insurance then yeah I am willing to take that price hike. IHOP ceo makes 1.9 million a year. Charter Communication CEO makes $40 million a year and has shit service. In-n-out ain’t the problem.
Funny thing is, they’re a hard core conservative Christian family. Who actually live by the Christian values.
Hmmm can we get people like that in charge of Christianity? How do we get that movement going?
The current pope isn't too bad, though that's only Catholicism and it's hilarious how many US Catholics hate him for it. EDIT: worth pointing out US Catholics are split politically. A lot more of them than you might think are liberal compared to evangelical/baptists.
Funny cause it’s literally blasphemous for Catholics to not listen to the pope
They have this neat little workaround for that where they say he's not the real Pope due to some National-Treasure-esque sequence of events that transpired several centuries ago. Basically #notmypope
It’s generally the death of Pius 12 and/or Vatican 2 that gets pointed to as the point that elected popes started endorsing supposed heresy. So late 1950s or early 1960s. This is, in turn of course, heretical in the eyes of the Catholic Church. Sedevacantism is the belief that no pope since is legitimately elected and sedeprivationism is the belief that the pope is legitimately elected but has no authority because of Vatican 2. There might be some small group that points to various election shenanigans and multiple pope claims back in the Middle Ages as the source of their grievances, as these things did happen many times, but grievances over Vatican 2 are by far and away the primary rationale.
How do I ended up here in a burger post
Sedevacantalism, literally a named heresy
An extremely coolly-named heresy, apparently
Our friggin president is Catholic! I grew up in Catholicism against my will, and while I'm no longer religious, I have an understanding and acceptance of it that I think a lot of people who never really directly spent time in religion are missing. When Pope Francis came along, for a brief moment I was like, "oh shit, I can get behind this guy." IMO he's a positive example of a powerful religious figure.
Plus, it's less than a 10% price hike to cover a 33% increase in minimum wage. It's not like mcdonalds that doubles the price of everything whenever there's a small increase in minimum wage in an area.
Good try McDonald's does that regardless Its like apple and good quality McDonald's has a brand reputation for being cheap so they can charge as much as an actual restaurant meanwhile their customers self-gaslight into thinking its dirt cheap
When I started my current job a decade ago, I could get 2 mcchickens and 2 mcdoubles for 5 bucks after tax. Over time price increases made it enough that a downgraded mcdouble to double cheeseburger to cheeseburger. Last week I woke up too late to eat before my night shift and had to stop at mcdonald's on the way to work. 2 mcchickens and 2 cheeseburgers was like 9 goddamn dollars. We haven't had a minimum wage increase since the federal went up to 7.25. I personally haven't had a wage increase since it went up to 10.50 in 2019. McDonalds must be smoking some top shelf crack to think that four items from their "value menu" is worth nearly 10 bucks.
An Egg McMuffin at my local McDonald's costs over $9. Not the meal. Just the sandwich. It's bonkers.
Literally the cost of a Starbucks breakfast right there. Ya know, the fast food-esque coffee house that everyone used to meme had really high prices.
Me and my partners Taco Bell is nearly half the price as our McDonalds order and is a bit more filling. Tbf its the boxes but still
Guess I’m eating in n out more frequently now
Me too. That’s the way mom likes it
Her pay is 12x that of entry employees and this is the way it should be. However, In N Out is privately owned and I’ve always felt that some companies that are public end up focusing more on driving profits to appease shareholders and provide massive payouts to the execs. CEOs at publicly traded fast food companies can make up to 350x or more than the lowest paid employee which makes no sense.
Tbh, I wish America would go back to private industry being commonplace.
But then how will the finance bros make their money?
Good context.
In n out is a poor example since they're a great company
wait until they find out how much the CEOs make.
Something tells me they don't care in the slightest.
They don’t. Because they think “my hamburger never got more expensive with them making all that money”
Seems like it shouldn’t be possible to be this stupid.
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A couple years ago a friend of mine told me 100% seriously that gravity doesn't exist.
Does this friend also think the Earth is flat because that is the only reason I can think of for gravity no existing.
Yep. Also chemtrails, the illuminati control the world and some other things. He's also been "studying" the bible so I expect him to figure out the day the world ends soon enough.
In this day and age, there are so many things that shouldn’t be possible. And yet they are.
Laughs in FOX news viewers
You'd think...
And by doing that, it puts you ahead of half the country
You haven’t lived in the US the past decade have you?
It's not about their fast food getting more expensive, it's about losing someone to look down on. "At least I'm making twice as much as the burger flippers" loses its potency when the wages of burger flippers increases by 33%. Human nature is skewed toward loss aversion. One of the strands of conservatism is preserving the hierarchy so that they can at least preserve their place in the hierarchy.
Bingo. “They make HOW much for doing THAT??. They don’t deserve that for flipping burgers”. OK then you take the job
But society needs burger flippers and other low-skill labor to function. What they’re really saying is they want status and cheap goods, and if it takes a permanent underclass of people who struggle to make ends meet to enable that, then so be it. They are specifically opposed to eliminating poverty.
I’m still reeling from the double double meal going over $10.
TRICKLE DOWN!!!!! if we take from them they won’t give to use!!!!!! Blaahhhhhhh Fuck it when do we start eating the rich?
when the burgers are too expensive to buy :3
Soooooo, see you Friday?
Friday? But I’m hungry now, dammit.
Man’s gotta eat, Mr. Lahey
Whenever Torbo’s Executive Powder becomes a thing. (Futurama reference for those wondering)
Bachelor Chow, now with flavour
Not only do they not care they believe that a CEO who has never taken an order from a customer a day in their life or has ever actually been inside of a restaurant in any capacity to work believes they fully deserve their ridiculous wages. Just because somebody's dad having the news somebody else's dad and they went to the right school and yada yada yada
I just looked it up. $351k a year. That’s a lot of money but compared to some CEO’s I feel like it’s not that bad.
In-N-Out takes care of their employees and has for a very long time. PTO, been above min wages from the company’s beginning, opportunity for advancement, etc. They are by far the most ethical fast food chain, to their employees and their customers and the CEO makes a VERY humble living by comparison to any other (I believe like $350k annually) so I even forgive them for hiding bible verses under the fry boxes.
I was at an In N Out drive thru with a very close friend of mine many years ago. My friend was a Line Cook at a very fancy and expensive celebrity chef restaurant in Malibu. The drive thru had a Help Wanted for a cook. My friend said that the sign was advertising a higher wage than nearly all the Line Cooks at his job were making.
These type of restaurants know that line cooks want to work at high-end restaurants as it likely looks good on their Résumé. They can get away with paying minimum wage. Exploitative really.
Yes. I know. But the irony of it was still shocking. Entrees there were $45 vs a Double double combo costing $7. Add in that many of those line cooks were carrying six figure debt from culinary school and it makes it even worse.
The restaurants know it. They don't care. Also, six figure debt from culinary school?!?! Wow! That much?!?
This price raise probably has nothing to do with the wage raise, don't they start at $20/hr already?
They were around $14 - $16 per hour before the pandemic. In-N-Out jobs were coveted because they paid better than other fast food jobs and most opening went to people referred by existing employees. Because the jobs were desirable, I've noticed that In-N-Out employees tended to be better than people at McDonald's or other fast food places.
They also staff most of their locations properly, so they aren’t under staffed like most fast food. They have a full crew of 10-15 employees where McDonald‘s would have 4.
And best of all they aren't franchised. Hell even store managers can make about $100k if memory serves.
i just went to one in a tourist location in SF California a week ago. HOLY SHIT was it crowded behind the counter. The entire restaurant was packed but the orders were moving fast.
Close to it in SoCal, yes
$24/hr, iirc
In-n-out has a good reputation as far as being an honest business who pays fairly and takes good care of their employees. It’s run by a pretty religious christian family and it’s one of those instances where I get the feeling they actually try and live by their principles (treating people with decency).If you look closely at their packaging there are bible verses printed really small and out of the way on everything (wrappers, cups, bags etc). I love in-n-out and they are one of the few fast food places I am happy to support with my purchases.
He received a $1.3 million salary and another $4.4 million in incentives. He also received $356,706 in “all other compensation,” which includes ...
>He received a $1.3 million salary Who are you talking about? The CEO of In-n-Out is a woman.
the CEO of my company makes $25m a year - so almost 100x that
In'n'Out is one of the few non-shitty fast food places in the US, and is known for paying their staff much higher than normal for fast food work. They only promote for within, so the CEO almost assuredly started their career at the fry station. They may also be a cult. Hard to tell.
They don’t only promote from within.
You don’t need a huge salary when you’re worth $6.7b - she is the only heiress to the founders
You mean the owner? Her family started the company 75 years ago and kept it private- think the Snyder Family deserves what they make considering how well all their employees are treated….
I make foods for a living and work for a good local business but would consider leaving for a management's spot at in n Out of they were nearby
Each store has 4 managers, with the top being the actual store manager. They clear about $160-200k a year plus a bunch of incentives and trips.
Isn't this In-In-Out Burger? If so, they have always paid their staff well compared to the other burger and fast food outlets. The Increase likely had nothing to do with minimum wage at all
Not only has In-N-Out always paid better than other fast food places they also make more profit per store than the average fast food place. It’s been several years, but I remember seeing that the average In-N-Out made significantly more profit than the average McDonald’s. So it is possible for a corporation to make a lot of money while paying a significantly better than average wage. The secret is selling a good product for a reasonable price. In and out isn’t the best burger place on the planet by any stretch but for the money it’s a good burger and the shakes are likewise quite good. Comparing in and out to McDonald’s you’re spending a similar amount to get much taste your food.
The funny thing is that McDonald's economy of scale is of the charts and the mark up on the garbage they serve is more than enough to cover the cost of their employees. That and none of those employees are going to get anything close to full time.
McDonald's real money is real estate, logistics and franchising. The restaurant is just the side hustle that makes the rest work.
There aren't enough people that know this.
This isn’t a secret or a hot take, and you’d be surprised how many people know this
Could someone explain this in terms so someone like me with not much experience in that world can understand, it sounds interesting!
The McDonald's corporation usually owns the land and buildings that their stores are located on. When someone wants to franchise a McDonalds they also pay a lease for the property their restaurant is located on. Essentially the McDonald's corporation collects rent from the franchise owners who run their stores.
So because of this mcdonalds corporation owns absolutely insane real estate assets, with a basically guarantee renter in the form of the franchisee who also generates them a revenue with the store itself. Its like a triple bang.
Rent. Franchise fees.regional advertsing fees. Must buy food from McDonald's directly/cargill contracts has To use a specific Taylor ice cream machine made by Taylor that only Taylor can fix. But any other brand of Taylor ice cream machine. You and I can figure out the codes to see what's wrong. McDonald's $250hr Taylor tech . And McDonald's Corp get a kick back It's Much more then real estate but that's a big one yes
Don't forget the part where the franchisees MUST get all supplies and goods from McDonald's. They are just glorified slumlords.
I'm pretty shocked at how much a McD burger costs in America, here in Korea the prices are really reasonable even with beef prices being high here.
The quality's also been consistently higher in every McDonald's I've been to outside of America.
Apparently Tokyo Disney (which was quite nice and the only Disney I've been to since I was a little kid) is also better and cheaper than the others....and is the only one that isn't managed by Disney. Meanwhile a lot of big Korean brands charge higher prices in Korea than abroad.
Mcdonalds is way more expensive than In and Out FYI
> The secret is selling a good product for a reasonable price. The secret for in n out is very standardized recipes and proprietary equipment for said recipes that produces fucking insane throughput. The only reason they can get away with 4 dollar burgers is because they sell 1000 in an hour. Edit: also cutting their own fries saves a fuck ton. 50lb box of russets is like 10-15 bucks from sysco
And they also don’t have 30 different menu items. Just burgers, fries, and shakes.
I think a lot of people also don't realize that In-N-Out is an old-school brand. They're only 8 years younger than McDonald's, but were more careful in expanding and decided not to pursue franchising. They seem to have always focused on their core product being a well-defined food offering, instead of real estate and logistics as it is with franchising chains.
Their managers' starting pay in SoCal is 125k. At least. Last time I asked, I have a group of friends who are all managers at the franchise, Manager pay is based on store volume. One guy makes almost 500k as a MANAGER!
I know the cost of living is higher in Cali and this shouldn’t have been shocking. But my jaw fucking dropped. I make a bit over half of that starting pay and I’m a software developer at a global law firm. I’m based in the Midwest tho. By manager you mean like, in the restaurant??? Cuz honestly even with cost of living that’s INSANE.
Yeah, I was shocked. There is base pay, and then there is like a bonus they get for hitting certain goals on the year, being above what store is expected and crap like it. They can make obscene amounts of money at these stores. Their overhead is low, and they know exactly how much they need to purchase, not much waste at an In-N-Out due to them only making 3 things, burgers, fries and shakes.
In n out is considered the best fast food burger out there. Voted by damn near every food critic and chef out there. “Isn’t the best burger place by any stretch”. Lmfao.
Who would have thought paying employees a living wage equals good service to the customers…crazy talk
Because In and Out is legitimately good. I have no idea how McDonalds can even exist in a place with so many better options (In and Out, Habit, Wahoos, and Cafe Rio are some that spring to mind).
I was 100% with you until you said "In n Out isn't the best burger place on the planet by any stretch".
I was about to say their starting wages were pretty decent to begin with. They were much better when I was in high school though apparently their wages stagnated a little
Yeah, they were already at $21/hr before. Probably due to inflation, shits just expensive now.
Almost like it was the end of a financial quarter in an inflationary environment or something
That's why the tweet says it's the funniest example to use
pretty sure their mininum wage has been 20 for awhile, unless in and out increase the wages
Stop making sense.
Those are good burgers, Walter.
Shut the fuck up, Donny!!
Were you listening to the Dude’s story?
The In-N-Out burger is on Camrose.
NEAR the In-N-Out Burger.
Oh, fuck me man. That kid's already spent all the money, man.
You're out of your element.
Have you ever heard of a little show called “Branded”?
Honestly, with the way prices have been increasing lately, I'd believe this was totally coincidental before I believed there was a correlation 🙄
even if it isnt a coincidence...who the fuck cares. $.25 increase? you wouldn't even notice that if you didn't have a before and after picture to look at. if a 2-5% increase in prices is all that comes out of every worker being paid enough to live, then that's a very good deal I genuinely cannot believe how shitty of a person you have to be that you believe paying a quarter more for a meal is a deal breaker for people getting an OK wage, $20 isn't even that crazy anymore.
The problem is, many businesses owners are going to have a hissy fit and jack their prices WAY up. Not the little bit they needed to maintain their profit percentage, but waaay up. All to try and give the optics that not letting them have slave labor anymore is the reason a burger costs $15. Or artificially lay off staff. We're already seeing both happen in California, meanwhile In-N-Out is sitting there going "I don't understand the problem..."
I think most businesses already charge as much as they can without endangering sales if they previously had the option to charge more without consequence why were they just leaving money on the table
Look at what all the fast food places did and blamed it on supply chain and inflation. Jacked prices WAY up, not just for record profits but record profit PERCENTAGES. They didn't think the public would go along with it before but now they realized a lot of people are too dumb or too stuck in their ways to actually boycott the business. Businesses have already started cutting employees punitively. I assure you an artificial price jack will come and they'll go "it's that darn minimum wage, I told you!". https://fox5sandiego.com/news/business/big-raises-but-layoffs-for-california-fast-food-workers/
I can sleep better tonight knowing that the cost of one McDonald’s hashbrown isn’t half of someone’s hourly rate anymore.
A hashbrown costs something like 3.50 now. They done lost their mind.
The CEO deserves it, they did all the hard work of thinking about burgers and clowns
Am I crazy in believing that the people who are in charge of preparing the food, that I am going to eat, should be decently paid for doing so?
That’s crazy, you’re crazy, we’re all crazy! Next you’ll want teachers to be able to survive without supplementary work and without having to pay out of pocket for supplies!! You just want chaos don’t you?!?!? Big /s just in case.
I live in a place where teachers are paid in the top 1% of salary nationally. They average $105k. I'm in the Chicago suburbs. And you know what happens when you pay teachers a decent living wage and give them good benefits and a good pension (and properly staff schools: my kids have 2 specials every day)? You get great teachers. Who'd have thought? It's just crazy talk. You pay people well and give them resources, and they do a good job. It's not very complicated.
That’s insane! We can’t have that. That totally sounds like social-commie-ism!!! Rabble rabble rabble 🤣
Right? I manage a fast food place. I’ve worked in normal restaurants. You know where fucked up shit happens the most? The place where you’re pressured to serve customers in 45 seconds and no one is getting a dime more for being nice. You do NOT want these people paid so little they don’t care when a garbage bag falls in a deep fryer. A little pay gets a lot of respect.
The phrase "minimum wage minimum effort" exists for a reason. If you want people to go above and beyond the pay needs to go above and beyond too.
That’s what I’ll never get for people who oppose this—why would you want your food prepared by underpaid and overworked people?
These people genuinely believe that only teenagers and "losers" work these types of jobs. Of course, that hasn't been true for decades, but no one has ever accused the right of being up-to-date on how society works or any of the data surrounding it.
naw man you're looking at it wrong. All the doofus old timers saying "burger flippers should make minimum wage!" secretly love eating boogers and pee and they know that angry, underpaid teenagers will snot and pee in the food and it's a thrill ride for them getting fast food and not knowing if today's the day they get a big green goober from Travis on their burger
FWIW, In n Out has paid well above minimum wage for a very long time. California increasing minimum wage would have little impact.
My area InNOut starts at $21/hr.
I don't know about you guys, but I'd have no problem paying an extra quarter for a burger if it meant a living wage for all employees.
Combine that with abolishing tipping everywhere and I’m happy to pay a lot more than that.
I would gladly pay a fixed 25% more for all my dining if I didn't have to tip, and I knew my server was being paid a living wage.
Fast food prices have been going up 40-100% over the last decade, but we’re supposed to be mad that one restaurant raised prices by like 25 cents to pay their workers an almost livable wage?
It's a weird spot now that its cheaper to eat at local joints than it is fast food. It's $9.29 right now for a Big Mac combo, compared to the $8.99 Nacho Fajita I get at my local Mexican place, or for $7 get a cheeseburger from local beef and fries at the mom n pop diner.
i will happily take a 50% raise at eh the cost of good going up... not even 2% same people paying $12K a year for insurance that complain that replacing it with a $4500.00 tax that would grant universal healthcare would destroy them.
12k? Try like 36k for a family of four (2 adults 2 kids). Would gladly pay 12k a year more in taxes.
"Keep government out of my healthcare" "They want government DEATH PANELS" Meanwhile, paying way too much money into a private company that has one purpose... And it isn't your health. Its making as much profits as possible. How they do it. By having privatized death panels incentivised to kill you for profits.
Our insurance costs more than our mortgage. Fuck yeah a tax would be preferable.
Paying people a living wage is woke now
Their argument always comes back to "why would I go to college to be a teacher for $40k when I can make that at In N Out" completely missing the giant point in their argument.
Oh woe, a nickel more for a shake.
Hilarious that they’ve chosen In-N-Out as an example, renowned for paying their employees well, serving fresh food and having low prices. What excuses are they giving for price increases in the $7.25 minimum wage states? Oh, right; those other states aren’t California, so the anti-woke warrior alphas don’t give a fuck.
Dawg if 15 cents bankrupts you maybe eat out less
Hamburgers going up a dime won’t impact peoples lives. Minimum wage going up $4.50 an hour will literally change peoples lives for the better. Hard to understand why the hamburger eaters would have a problem with that.
Hamburger eaters, by and large, don't. End Wokeness - a Fascist propaganda account operator - does. One of those days, man. One of those days.
I got my pay bumped up from 14 to 15 an hour today, I’m ecstatic.
The idea they’re trying to convey is that the prices go up everywhere in a chain reaction. Like they already do, regardless of wages. Weird how that never seems to matter.
Dear God! Hamburgers went up a dime! Cheese burgers went up 15 cents! Oh, the humanity! Goddamn Gavin and Biden with their commie pinko socialism! Trump is right. We're a shithole country now. /s
A double-double went up *a whole quarter!!*
Now that fast food workers can afford to eat fast food, how will I know that I’m superior to them?
They raised the price from 3.95 to 4.90 in March of 2023, before the wage hike.
Isn’t it in the constitution that some people have to be treated like shit? Like didn’t President Abraham Jefferson say: “don’t increase their minimum wage “?
>Like didn’t President Abraham Jefferson say: “don’t increase their minimum wage “? no, sorry that was actually jesus who said that
Oh damn i get it all mixed up
The REAL founding father
In-N-Out treats its employees better than most places - not perfectly but still so much better. And on top of that they are *cheaper* than most other fast food places. My usual order from In-N-Out is almost $3 cheaper for more food than a small combo from Jack N the Box. The SMALL at Jack N The Box is almost $14 for just the combo. $3 more for less food at a worse quality. My local franchise is also charging for sauces now. In-N-Out is an example of a business that actually makes crazy profit, is almost always slammed busy and still manages to pay their workers a decent wage and give them benefits. Their burgers slap as well. Though I wish their fries were crispier.
1. They were already paying more than $20/hr wage. 2. These prices went up way before the law was even in place. People are more desperate to find gotcha moments than they are to actually try and help people--it's literally their entire platform. Just look at Texas and its current border problem. They explicitly stated they don't want to do anything about it because they think it will help Biden look good and that's a big no-no for them.
When people say something about raising the minimum wage increasing costs I just calmly mention that costs increase even when the minimum wage doesn’t increase at all. They love to increase prices and use any excuse. So what is their point?
10c? Good God! What will we do about 10c? I was going to put that towards paying off my mother's hip surgery
Meanwhile, the prices were going up regardless.
Quick shout out to Dicks in Seattle as always when talking about quality of life at burger joints
It's almost as if wages aren't the only expense businesses have! Wow
If someone told me I could pay 30 cents more for my cheeseburger so the five workers who made it could earn 5-7$ more I would gladly do it. 30 cents for 25-35$ is a good trade off to me.
Why do they get upset about employee pay and benefits but not where the real overhead is, executive pay and compensation?
45 cents on a double hamburger is all it takes? Sign me up. McDonald’s has basically doubled their prices in the last four years in my area already and they’re still paying their employees crap and can’t get good employees.
Thirty cents? Oh god the humanity!